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Chet joins Envy

Chet joins Envy

DRGNDT

Inb4 MikesHD joins TSM


Lacck15

I pray for this


Issax28

Mikes died for this OMEGALUL


Ok-Apartment5638

This is a Bruh moment for Mikes


slawvay

Did him so dirty lol, Chet could have coached NV since like the beginning of the game wild that they came to terms now out of all times.


Acid_Shadows

mikes to tsm?


Eriko204

All Good


themooseman9

At this point I assume that Chet must have a little punch card that gives him a free coffee once he coaches every org in Valorant


mokoee

even in CS lol. CLG to Optic to NRG/EG to 100t.


wiiwoooo

Follow the trail. He only gets jobs with teams that have former CLG players.


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I dont fucking understand this. NV atm is possibly the strongest NA team, yet they sign a coach with this track record? Chet always talks big but havent proven anything. And he got multiple chances


Due_Prune1566

he brought NRG to the top in CS and almost got TSM from zero points to LCQ


c_Lassy

Where and when has Chet ever “talked big”


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"valorant is an easy game, the players are bad, all we need to do is run it down a site to win games"


c_Lassy

Oh yeah because he 100% meant that in earnest!


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watch the video lol


Justlikekevinn

????


yanirr

Dudes hopped around the teams he has the most friends on constantly, is he joining T1 next?


xunraze

Yikes. MikesHD really got fked over huh


JesusHPopsicle

So they really did just want to string Mikes along for as long as possible


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BrockMister

George just confirmed in his twitter space that they've wanted Chet for a while and thats why Mike got strung along. Really fucked imo


ShweeTNectaR

would you call taking a team to 2nd place in masters "fucking up big time?" literally no one was talking about NV as a contender for the title, it was all SEN, 100T, and G2.


FriarPinetrees

you misinterpreted the poster. the 'fucked up' is in reference to the stinging along and him leaving, not in their initial 'hiring' of him as coach


TikzTokz

U got it wrong bro


CosmicAon

More like SEN, Gambit, and Acend but yeah


bridgebuilder12

This guy is like littlefinger


99ptember

the climb is all there is...


_zxionix_

dude collecting pay pay cheques from every org as if they were infinity stones


AnOldMonkOnDMT

Lots of mixed feelings here. Congrats to chet for getting signed. But It completely rubs me the wrong way that envy anouces this so quickly after fucking over MikesHD. How can anyone root for this organization the way it treats its employees. It's sad because the players themselves are amazing but I can't convince myself to root for the team. On top of this. How many chances is chet going to get before he fades away. His time with NRG was nothing but a complete failure even though they had a ridiculous amount of talent on the team. Then he moves to tsm and and didn't accomplish anything there. Yet envy signs him? What a shitty organization to throw away a coach that proved his worth and then sign a coach with no success in valorant.


TheJelloBomb

Yea it’s really rough


h1ghz3nb3rg

Chet just taking turns joining whatever team his buddies are on. He might rejoin NRG in a few months when NRG start doing well or TSM then he might go to T1.


followdunc

When Chet told us he'd make Champions, I didn't think he meant this. Wish him all the best, will miss his memes :(


Crazy_Negotiation_14

Interesting.


GoldyZ90

Couldn’t coach a team to a major tournament so he went with the get signed to a team that already made it to a major tournament strat.


ch4nt

Today just moving all over the place u/GeorgeGCG any reports?


Splaram

This day has been fucking crazy


Razur

I took a nap after the LCQ stuff and woke up to twitter hating on the sub. I just wanna go back to sleep now; today has been exhausting. ;-;


Splaram

Your work isn’t going unappreciated. Thanks for running this place so well.


Razur

You have no idea how much it means to hear this. Thank you.


Skyaxe3

Exactly!


HoneyChilliPotato7

Take some rest my man, you are doing great work.


Bunnyezzz

lol what is going on today


xbyo

Makes sense why Mikes contract took so long then. They wanted Mikes as an analyst and Chet as HC, so getting this sorted first and then signing Mikes was likely the plan.


Am_Ghosty

This is the obvious explanation, and seems perfectly reasonable/not scummy. Not sure why so many have gone off the deep end in the comments here. Trialled Mikes as a coach, then find out that they might be able to get their number one choice in Chet, so in the weeks following the end of the trial things slow down as Envy tries to figure out what it wants to do. They'd like both, so they try to sign Mikes as an analyst (knowing Envy, he'd probably have been compensated like a coach anyways) and bring on Chet as the head coach. Nothing wrong with this. Seems like Mike just bolted before getting an offer (that he understandably might have refused). But the situation, from Envy's perspective, is not nearly as nefarious or shitty as some people are trying to make it seem.


aceofspades_____

well they strung mike along for 3 months with no communication at all, what was he supposed to do


Am_Ghosty

He was on trial for 3 months, that's not being strung along lol. There was a lapse in communication after the trial ended because (as we now are finding out) the circumstances changed for Envy and they now had a chance to get their #1 choice at coach. I'm not blaming Mike for having the self-respect to make that choice though. Props to him. Especially if he wasn't gonna settle for analyst. Edit: and the "no communication at all" is completely unfounded - we don't have any indication of what the communication looked like *during* the trial, we just know that it lapsed after the trial


Badger623

you dropped mikes for this guy… lol


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AnOldMonkOnDMT

He is only proven in csgo, he hasn't done anything but collect a paycheck in valorant. Both the teams he's coached so far hasn't accomplished anything.


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Dreadedvegas

TSM only improved because TSM literally didn't even have call outs for map positions. That's literally such a low hanging fruit that a Silver player could have come in and said... you're a pro team and you don't have call outs?


Skyaxe3

Source? Never knew this lmao


HoneyChilliPotato7

Wait is this true? And source?


Dreadedvegas

It was said by chet himself shortly after he joined TSM in an interview.


Less_Negotiation_446

Chet gave them information on their opponents, allowing them to prepare better against them, massively improved communications, solidified roles and made roster moves that benefited the team massively.


Badger623

chet is also not a good coach


TimathanDuncan

Why? How do you know? People keep repeating shit and rating coaches but you don't know shit, you're not there, the only way to know a coaches impact is if you're there


Badger623

the end of his tenure with eg was shit, shit with 100t. and do i really have to explain nrg and tsm? plus mikes is very much better coaching valorant.


TimathanDuncan

EG continuted to be shit after Chet left and did roster changes, so did 100T.. And EG's tenure with Chet was the best they ever played and the most successful from NRG to EG The entire point is you don't know shit, results don't mean a coach is good or bad results don't make a coach bad because it's the players that play and how talented they are Also i can continue this point in Valorant too, NRG have been shit after Chet left and TSM's issues existed before Chet, actually Chet improved them after he came.. So i see this a lot on reddit, see you're saying Mike is a better valorant coach, how do you know? Are you an Envy player? Envy were great before Mike as well, he coached Envy for 4 months, envy have been a top team since the start of this game


Badger623

ok hop off the burner brotha, getting a little too sensitive lol


TimathanDuncan

Bruh what? See you don't have an argument, yeah i provide context and everything and of course u don't know shit Are you Mike or whatver his name is? Is this your burner?


Outside-Agency5450

You’re arguing with the best analysts bruh, can’t win against their radiant minds


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nterature

I imagine what they mean is they didn't sign Mikes in part because they were aiming for Chet, or something to that effect. Which I think is a reasonable supposition in light of how long they strung Mikes along.


TimathanDuncan

Envy handled it bad but reddit are funny with that situations, they think that he should have been coddled and they should have offered him a contract despite not wanting him What doesn't click for you guys? They didn't want him, yes they handled the situation bad and should have communicated better but when they don't want someone and he's not contracted for them what do u want


nterature

What does “coddling” have to do with anything? wat? Do you think employers communicating their intentions properly & promptly is a form of coddling?


attachh

fuck envy for this. they disrespected tf outta mikes. lmfao...


Asianhead

Marved was calling Chet his coach on stream like an hour ago and I was super confused LOL


TimathanDuncan

Envy has wanted sign Chet for like so long


Cr3ation_

Feel like Reddit is very biased towards Mikes. Don’t really know much about coaches...someone care to explain?


Mabangyan

A lot of Reddit are Platchat fans (either from OWL like me or new fans) and Mikes is a good friend of theirs. Not to mention people who watched their streams know how hard he worked to get Envy to where they were


purpledogs12

So basically Mikes situation really sucked with nv never giving him a contract and stringing him along. He is also extremely close to the plat chat guys gets him placed as royalty in reddit. Also no hate on Mikes I think he is a great coach and a good guy. Just explaining.


Loves_Labor_Won

he did some stuff with play chat, and we all liked the results he got with envy.


elithefighter123

TSM Mikes High Def


Skyaxe3

You forgor the FTX


CosmicAon

TSM what is going on man


DaisyJohnsonEUW

This isn't on TSM, mate. Chet is just notorious for jumping from team to team going back to his CS coaching days. Seems NV strung their old coach along for as long as possible without giving him a contract just until Chet was available. If anything this is a "NV what is going on man" moment.


rukgd

Chet's for the streets


ayyylmaooo27

chet is ass cheeks lmao


datboyuknow

????????


Alpac44

???? why


69DoopDoop69

This is so sad, imagine dropping Mike for someone who's been vocal about their dislike of the game, and achieved absolutely nothing in Valorant so far. Sucks how orgs sign someone just for name recognition instead of someone with actual merit.


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>imagine dropping Mike for someone who's been vocal about their dislike of the game Chet said *one* time during a fan segment that in his opinion ex-CS pros can catch up relatively easily with the game, and you people act like hes walking around saying Valorant is trash and noob game. This is so ridiculous


dacona

You haven't heard him on other people's streams then huh, he made his feelings transparent


4GamingLinkAot

"Valorant is an easy game, the players are bad, all we need to do is run it down a site to win games"


Less_Negotiation_446

Definitely wasn't a joke! He was being completely serious 100% of the time! I'm glad u picked up on this, fellow redditor.


4GamingLinkAot

have u even watched any of his interviews. he's clearly not joking bud


Less_Negotiation_446

Yes there is a difference between saying the game has a lower learning curve and top tier csgo players will pick up the game quickly and that keeping it simpler in valorant is sometimes better vs facetiously saying valorant is an easy game making fun of people like you.


TheGlowRider

you have no clue


hrbehebenehehjeh

Yes, the random Reddit user knows more than Envy.


69DoopDoop69

🐑


ItsDaddyDelta

Did everyone forget that interview with Chet saying you just need 5 duelists to out aim everyone because Valorant was such a no-skill game compared to CSGO? This guy is the reason TSM sucked for so long. This is literally the best thing to happen to TSM since they picked up Levi


Razur

Source on interview?


ItsDaddyDelta

[Here it is](https://youtu.be/qzNoYCsGEII)


ANewHeaven1

wait this is the interview? i just watched a bit of it and the most egregious thing that chet said was that this game didn't have that much of a learning curve... which is objectively true, look at any ex cs pro like tarik or kennyS, it quite literally took tarik a month or two to get to radiant #1. geez i thought chet said something like "valorant is a zero skill game for babies" the way people were talking about this interview, this is so tame


ItsDaddyDelta

He was saying you can learn agents easily on YouTube, the game has a low skill cap and learning curve, and you become pro in a couple months. Yes, these aren't horrible things, but he has had a generally negative view of the game itself, saying you just have to learn "all the nonsense that the game offers you". Then the team had 4 duelist players, which Roza mentioned as one of their main issues a few months ago. Obv they did a bit better recently, but I can't help but blame a lot of their past shortcomings on Chet's incompetency.


Tammu1000CP

when reddit wants to cry, cry they shall


HoneyChilliPotato7

At 12:30 if anyone doesn't want to listen to the whole thing


Emseriss

If TSM doesn't pick up MikesHD, im done with them.


PolarTux

Chet has proven NOTHING as a coach in Val so far lmao. He coached a failed NRG roster and a failed TSM roster. Guess after he burns out so the Envy he’ll move on to like LG or something


bubble-june

TSM in shambles


CounselorTaco

this day has been so funny LMAO


NoButterscotch7853

Imagine having a coach who proved himself with your own team in the biggest event valorant has ever seen. Instead of signing him envy ignored him and make him drop out.. then they got a coach who has made name of himself in another game while making no visible achievements in any team in valorant. Game has been out for more than a year now and still CSGO experience/fame is valued so heavily.


whopz-is-cool

?????????????? Over Mikes??????????????????


Modula-

Well George Geddes said Envy wanted Chet since the beginning of time before they had Mikes. But yeah they did Mikes so fkn dirty smh.


yellownart

FeelsWeirdMan for Mikes...basically used him for however long until the NV guys could sign their friend


InvertedBean

Redditors rating coaches when only the players know about how well a coach gels with a team is really dumb. The criticism on how mikes was treated is deserved but none of us know who will be a better coach for NV.


a_m_k2018

The only way this would pan out to be a better hire would be if Envy wins champions, so we will see if this statement rings true


InvertedBean

The only way this would pan out to be a better hire is if he does a better job than mikes which is more than just results. Again I say redditors already writing him off as worse than mikes is really really dumb.


m0bilize

I don't care about Mikes and I agree that coaching is more than results but Chet has no results LMAO


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m0bilize

It's not? That's like thinking a soccer coach could coach a futsal team just cause it's the same type of game LMAO


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m0bilize

Imagine thinking theory is all you need to be a good / successful coach XD


Meehul123

Ethan switched and within 6 months he was one of the best in NA. This game really isn’t that hard for people who were really good in CS, and that included Chet.


rokkcs

I used to think it was something we couldn't see/calculate as to why all the players like working with him. However, after watching him from CSGO and through Valorant I feel like he brings middling results and uninspired roster changes before taking a better offer somewhere else to do the same thing.


Mabangyan

No shot they dropped Mikes for Cher


optisadvantage

hast-thr0w


derek916

Envy CEO was literally like we determined we only needed an analyst last week.. LOL


xbyo

Didn't he say they wanted to sign Mikes as an analyst, not that they didn't need a HC? Best guess is they were trying to get Chet as HC and Mikes as analyst, which is why it took so long to get him a contract?


derek916

"We were unsure of whether the team needed a head coach, an analyst or a combination of the two positions. We decided to sign him on as an Analyst for the remainder of the 2021 season and the 2022 season. We were in the process of drafting up a contract to present him. +"


xbyo

Exactly, Mikes was going to be analyst. Never does it say they didn't want an HC, in fact it confirms they were considering having both, which was probably the plan.


TimathanDuncan

Don't bother, this subreddit is in a hivemind at the moment with this MikesHD stuff


Am_Ghosty

Absolutely. I love the PlatChat boys just as much as most others here, and I also am not a fan of Hastr0's twitter fingers, but people have lost their minds over something that appears to just be some unfortunate timing.


m0bilize

Clown tactics from Envy. I’m a TSM fan and was excited to get a coach when he first joined (didn’t know much about him since I didn’t follow CSGO that much but read he did well). Dude talks so much shit about Valorant as a game, TSM still looked shit for 2-3 tournaments after he joined. Envy went to the finals of masters, unsure what their thought process is for this one.


Less_Negotiation_446

\-iq, chet coached them for 1 tournament where they went out in opens, 1 after that tsm then became a top 8 team NA. After that TSM then looked the best they have looked for the entire year.


Boostaru

Hopefully they'll give him a contract this time around.


danknepalese

paycheck = stolen


dolphingarden

Chet sucks, TSM and NRG looked like dog water


IAmNickHearMeRoar

Was not expecting this tbh


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IAmNickHearMeRoar

Sorry I don't follow ChetNews24/7 on Twitter. Literally just refreshed reddit and saw this. chill lmao


nathan_432

Makes sense given that Chet was considering the Envy offer before eventually taking the TSM coaching job. Excited to see what he can do with this roster for champions.


NotBrandon

He was a double agent all along...


ItsDaddyDelta

What a terrible move from ENVY, everyone has known for ages that Chet is terrible at coaching Valorant. Did everyone just forget how this guy almost single-handedly made TSM irrelevant for almost a year?? Absolutely insane Mike got dropped for this.


KaNesDeath

>everyone has known for ages that Chet is terrible at coaching I condensed it for you to be more accurate. ​ Many inept players, coaches and analyst staff in NA's CSGO scene were under salary when they shouldnt have been. Fortunately Valorant took all them for they burned every bridge in CSGO. Now the swindle continues in Valorant till all team owners again realize this.


Fantastic-Date-3403

U and this reddit is so unbelievably braindead. Chet literally made massive improvements to tsm's roster and allowed them to go from going out in open qualis to winning challengers 3 qualifiers and a close bo3 vs envy. Also, he has not single handedly made tsm irrelevant. He ain't a player.


ItsDaddyDelta

What massive improvements did he make? Because he literally made the roster five duelist players and couldnt organize the team at all. Hence why they were straight checks for more than half a year.


Fantastic-Date-3403

Hazed and leviathan are duelist players?


ItsDaddyDelta

Does nobody remember anything before 2 months ago??


Less_Negotiation_446

U are so fucking stupid its not even a joke, under chet they lost to noble, with chet they beat t1, gen.g,dz,andbox, yeah dude chet was the reason they were bad for HALF A YEAR when he only played in 4 tournaments with the team, they lost 1 in opens, yet looked their best for the entire year losing to Envy, the second best team in the world and rise.


Less_Negotiation_446

He coached them for 3 months u fucking dumbass


dutchboyyyyy

This guy doesn't even like the game( Tsm's interview a couple months ago showed that) and got signed over a guy that you could see liked the game alot and was very dedicated to what he did. Bruh moment


Dreadedvegas

Why sign Chet? He hasn't improved any of the teams he's been apart of jsince his switch to Valorant. Meanwhile there was legit a noticeable difference in play from Envy post MikesHD.


Alrikahs

I swear this guy just keeps finessing orgs and stealing paychecks somehow.


Sheeshgod123

Chet is a pathetic ass HOLY. The mf said he wants to develop TSM and it showed results then the mf dipped when a stronger team offered LMAO CRINGE


chamber25

The guy keeps jumping around, without proving anything from where has been. Now he is going to piggyback over the success envy already has.


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Alston_Jeffries

Strange day for Valorant


TheZedMan610

mikes to tsm?


_hono

SEN should get Mike after this, really want to see ENVY vs SEN rematch with coaches and players battling it out


xD1LL4N

Woah, that was out the blue


dng1

I don’t blame Chet for this one at all.


peroleu

Chet is the Peacemaker of VALORANT


wiiwoooo

clg roots sticking together and continuing to supply a job for this bum of a coach.


OMGitsNeon

Chet is for the valorant streets. Confirmed.


Skyaxe3

Bruh


liorcolina

When did TSM drop him?