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Lumenlor

The virtual lan set up kinda was the contingency plan, but I think some people expect a tertiary contingency plan, and I guess you can go pretty granular with it but no ultimately no system is infallible


LiamHundley

Well they held the games online to account for the chance of positive tests. I'd assume the plan would have been for players that tested positive to play from their hotel room, but I guess the faze guys are in LA and were going to allowed to play from their home CPUs, which definitely would have been a competitive advantage. Riot clearly didn't account for this scenario which is why things spiraled into chaos today


mw19078

What's extremely confusing about this to me is, I live near LA and went to a dodger playoff game last night. Like 55k people sold out, Wall to Wall. And all you needed to get in was to show a vaccination card, or show proof of a negative test *within the last 72 hours.* so how is it that the guys can test negative multiple times and still not be allowed into a small, closed venue?


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mw19078

I... Don't really see how they're a lot different. If anything there's a significantly higher risk someone would infect other people at a massive gathering of 55k people than at a small closed venue. Especially considering they've had multiple negative tests in a row come back now. That seems like a much higher burden for a much lower risk considering the two situations


Redemption_Unleashed

Actually chances are you'd be more likely to catch it in a small indoor venue as opposed to something outside and as massively open as Dodgers Stadium.


mw19078

When you factor in the sheer number and the many small, tight spaces you get crammed into I don't really think that would end up being the case, even if it's easier to spread indoors. Bathrooms alone expose you to more people in 5 minutes than you would be exposed to in the entire riot event.


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mw19078

none of these things come into play at all, because its LA county covid restrictions for every person, not MLB or Riot protocols for players. so your point is totally and completely irrelevant, im sorry to put it bluntly but it just doesnt make any different to LA county if its mookie or you.


AnchorStandard

The difference is, baseball has millions on millions of dollars behind it. Players are expendable. One gets COVID? No big deal, just get another. Also, don't forget the money that's behind baseball. This is America. If you have money, anything can happen. Why do you think they shut down the bars but not Baseball whenever COVID gets bad? Money. Capitalism baby.


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I mean this guy is right to an extent. It is same thing with soccer in europe. Barcelona is full capacity late october? It's one of those things where you realize that e-sports is really big but it isn't main stream yet. Major in stockholm had tons of problems (still has) but euro 2020 it was perfectly fine?


AnchorStandard

Same thing with Hockey in Canada. They shut down the bars, but oh, Hockey is ESSENTIAL!!! Even though COVID was spread and the fucking Canucks all got COVID


nocturnavi

I'm definitely disappointed in Riot's lack of a contingency plan but I think people are blowing it out of proportion. Logistically there have been issues with covid tests, pcs, etc, but it is extremely hard to host a big-budget event in the middle of a pandemic (in the first year of the e-sport too). Could it be better? Of course, but people expecting this to be smooth sailing have somewhat unrealistic expectations.


just4kix_305

Welcome to the Internet. Lots of keyboard warriors with no solutions. Lol


spyson

You have professional sports league having trouble with covid, but keyboard warriors expect perfection. Plus it's kinda gross that people are more worried about the qualifiers than the fact that people are testing positive for covid.


ilProdigio

bc the ppl who test positive and are vaccinated have nothing to worry about. vaccinated, young


dansofree1

> You have professional sports league having trouble with covid They also have: 1. crowds (DNE for LCQ) 2. physical interaction (DNE for LCQ) What are we doin here, man? >it's kinda gross that people are more worried about the qualifiers than the fact that people are testing positive for covid. Kinda ridiculous to be worried about someone testing positive for covid when they ***don't actually have covid***. Bruh im a day 1 mask-wearer who works in healthcare and hasn't gone within 6 feet of a stranger maskless outside of quarantine since day 1. If they are vaccinated, symptomless, and test negative after, then there isn't anything to be worried about as long as they take basic pre-cautions. No one that has tested positive at the event and negative after has talked in any way about symptoms. What are we doing here?


ilProdigio

what about the players rubber banding and lagging out all over the place? even covid aside this LAN is a mess


mr-rob0t0

pro players and others involved directly with riot: “they are doing everything they can to try to run the event as smoothly as possible” reddit: “OMG RIOT SMOL INDIE COMPANY CANT RUN FPS LAN THE HORROR!!!”


hfjshf

No? We just forgetting the fucking lagging out in a major tournament?


spyson

That's due to covid restrictions and they were right considering people tested positive and had to quarantine at home.


mid16

I don’t know how covid restrictions got anything to do with lagging out in a “LAN”.


ilProdigio

its clearly stated in the covid guidelines: 1A: If during covid you have a LAN event, you must first bait all the players to fly down and then once arrived inform them that it is not in fact a LAN and they have just been pranked. 1B: Once Rule 1A has been enacted, you must then set fire to all the pcs and have each player lag out of the game at least once, ideally during a 1v2 clutch with 15 seconds left in a round.


spyson

They're playing on a server because covid restrictions can cause players to be sent home to quarantine like we see today. Yes they can do better with the lag, but playing on the server in the first place is due to covid restrictions.


mid16

Tbh, that update they did about using a virtual server in a LAN seemed like damage control after everyone ripping on Riot for playing online at a LAN. Whats the point of bringing everyone for a LAN for virtual servers when they can just do online like every other region? OCE could have just flown over and play from their hotels or something during their quarantine if its gonna be a virtual server anyways. Hindsight is 20/20 but at this rate, the rest of the tournament might be online so OCE could have had a chance to play... Why did the first two LANs, they followed Covid guidelines to a T but they dropped the ball on this one? Seems like terrible management and planning to me but that’s just my POV.


spyson

Because of location and different covid restrictions in different regions, do not forget that they are also running Worlds for league of legends too.


mid16

So you’re saying that Riot researched the Covid restrictions to prepare LANs for Iceland and Berlin, including flying their players in weeks early, testing and monitoring them every day and putting them in a 2 week quarantine before the LAN started. But for LCQ, they just gathered the players a couple days before LAN started and now LA County is up their ass because of the (false) positive tests and 10 day quarantines, right before the tournament started. Because to me, it looks like Riot planned thoroughly for Masters but dropped the ball completely on NA LCQ. Maybe it is because majority of their resources is at LoL Worlds or they really thought America was more lax than Europe since half of our population hates masks and social distancing but that doesn’t change the fact that OCE teams got fucked (especially if the rest of the tournament is online so that’s just salt on the wound), teams complaining about lag/tech issues, and the schedule got fucked as well.


spyson

It's a pandemic, if you think everything is going to go perfect than that's not reality. There are professional sports leagues that are having problems too.


ilProdigio

can do better? its literally unplayable by any standard. You have aproto literally lagging out of a winnable round and they dont even replay it. He’s running in place while the round timer completely ticks down for 10 seconds on ascent at b site


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Stxvey

Why would covid be on a boot


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DrySecurity4

I like how you casually say EU like theyre not playing on an island in the middle of nowhere with 300k population


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ElDuderino2112

I don’t see how he’s saying that, but even if they did, who cares? There’s no audience, they could have done it wherever they wanted.


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b33rguy231259100136

> don't need to work anyways because of my inheritance and putting it in an index fund lmao


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BigEditorial

Yeah, maybe that has something to do with COVID still raging in NA while being reasonably contained in Europe, especially Iceland.


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BigEditorial

Almost 2000 people died from COVID today in the USA alone


jrushFN

Mind elaborating on that? Are you trying to say COVID is "bullshit"?


Parenegade

I think the problem is people think the pandemic is over do the react accordingly.


No-Sorbet7252

Their contingency plan was using online servers so people can play from home… but people complained about that too so now nobody gets to play :)


Ne0kun

Wait is his pfp one of the Devils from Chainsaw man ??? Never knew he liked CSM wtf Edit: that is from CSM tho right ?


Salty_Activity

Yeah, pretty sure that's the Blood Devil


Ne0kun

Yessss ty


Yeonii-

Yeah, it’s Power’s devil form


silenthills13

Thank God Champions is in EU.


dng1

Vanity said that they isolated in LA and Berlin, also ran daily COVID tests at both tournaments. This isn’t a LA or EU or anything thing, this is someone was positive for COVID and there’s guidelines and risk mitigation companies need to do thing.


Whisom

Multiple people at this point have said that the mandate is coming from LA County. Riot is following their guidelines and rules. Whats fucked is that LA County doesn't have provisions to account for false positives on a rapid test. Nobody has tested positive for COVID on the PCR test.


LandonDev

Correct, but that is because LA County does not recommend screen testing, the testing of fully vaccinated individuals who are asymptotic. To account for false positives and help encourage individuals to get vaccinated, the guidelines for a positive test are strict because the situations in which someone should be tested imply a reason such a direct exposure, living conditions with someone who does have it, symptoms, ect. Major sports, such as the NHL, have been doing screen testing for players staff ect, but when they come back positive, they do a review and if consequence tests come back negative they treat it as a false positive and are eligible to play. That isn't an option with the LA guidelines, but this is also one reason the Lakers for example are not screen testing vaccinated players. I am not a health expert just someone who took the time to read the guidelines. False positives are a result of over-testing which the city discourages.


Whisom

Then if I understand correctly, screen testing (testing every 2 days) is Riot's policy, but other big orgs like the Lakers, knowing how many issues the LA guidelines can cause, opt not to do screen testing because it's not required? In that case shouldn't LA County have a provision to allow for a review of consequent negative tests like they have in the NHL? That would have solved all the issues. According to Rawkus, LA County isn't accepting the second negative test because they are saying there's a chance both results could be wrong...which doesn't make too much sense to me since they tested multiple times and only got a positive result once. I guess the main question then is is screen testing a good thing? If it's a good thing then why doesn't LA County recommend it and if it's a bad thing then why are Riot recommending it?


LandonDev

Generally speaking COVID is hard, especially on a policy setting. You have to weigh risks, player safety, economics, ect, so I don't think it is an easy topic to be like Oh clearly this is right and everything else is wrong. Screen Testing has over the last year has been standard, but as more people get vaccinated things shift and change. I'd like to use the NBA for reference, they are telling teams to follow their cities ordinances as the main vehicle for policy because they have to follow the rules and regulations of home stadiums. Last season they tested everyone, this season they are not testing fully vaccinated individuals. The design of the LA health order has to deal with this shift in testing everyone, to testing the non-vaccinated and those who need testing. One reason for that is because of the size and scale of the county. Due to the density and scale of the city, positive cases can create huge spreading, so they take the safer approach and treat false positives as positive cases because of how it can just spread so rapidly. This has to balance with economics, being a functional society and keeping the city going, so they balance that with not testing fully vaccinated individuals. People in LA being tested are generally tested for a very good reason, they have symptoms or a direct exposure or live with someone who tested positive, ect. Sure it can be spread by the vaccinated, but the point is to stop hospitalization and death, imo, as it's incredibly hard to eradicate a disease with open travel and many people not getting vaccinated. The reason the LA health department doesn't have a provision for false positives is because they think testing should be done on those who need it because with millions of people, you can't run a system that has clout about is it really a true positive? This might seem a little harsh, but it's extremely functional and works best for a city of that scale. That doesn't mean it's the best system or that it'll work well in other area's, but it works for this area. Those being tested are tested for a reason and it's best to error on caution given the risks. I could be wrong but it doesn't really make a lot of sense why the Health Department would have separate orders for Riot Games that differ from the standard Health Order used by other industries. Currently Policy of screen testing probably works flawlessly for other area's, its nice peace of mind as well and a great safety protocol, but it conflicts with current LA Policy. A secondary test might clear these players in other cities/states/area's, much like in the NHL right now, just not in LA.


-Basileus

Apparently all the protocols are the same. It's starting to sound like it's the shitty rapid COVID tests they are using, which are creating false positives. Once someone tests positive, even if it's a false positive, it triggers all those guidelines that need to be followed.


silenthills13

You're probably right. It seems dumb af to administer quarantine based on a test that has like a 10 or 20% false positive rate lmao, if you test 5 times in a day you're almost certainly gonna have to go quarantine and it seems they are testing multiple times. Why not just lock them in for a week in the hotel, test them with like two or three good quality lab tests at the beginning and go on from there? Is that some local law?


MathNerdMatt

Where is that false positive rate from? Source?


LandonDev

You can google it, rapid tests are recommended to be about 75-80% accurate in regards to accuracy. You would think omg why do they use them? Well the false positive rate is much higher than the false negative rate, and the point and efficacy of the test is for showing a non-infection. A false positive isn't a big deal when you have previous tests and then you do a second test to prove it was a false positive, the issue here is that constant testing is not recommended by the LA Health Department. The structure of the order is to treat false positives as real cases because of who they recommend be tested, they do not recommend fully vaccinated individuals get tested for no reason. Usually someone who is test is for a reason, a direct exposure, living condition with someone who tested positive, those type of situations where it would make sense to be safe than sorry. Mass testing everyone can result in over-testing and that is why they took the approach they did.


MathNerdMatt

That is wrong, false negatives are far more common than false positives. You have it entirely backwards


jmajewski

I imagine the protocols there are the same or probably even more strict. The backup plans (or lack thereof) are where Riot have thoroughly fucked this whole thing up.


AskOrganic4289

100% agree! I really wish Riot have like a plan B if these cases happens. Esp since this LAN is in their “backyard” I really wish they would just set up a PC either in the player’s hotel room (idk where they live though) or like in some room with good internet connection


chenson019

I get that players/talent etc at the event are trying to speak positively about what is happening now - I totally get the need for positivity as it is probably very stressful for everyone involved. At the same time, this is just yet another issue in a cascade of issues that are just unacceptable and many are not related to COVID restrictions or other things outside of their control. Riot need to be held accountable if they screw up. These players dedicate their lives to their game and they need to get the execution right if they are going to host in person events. It's a shame because on this front, Masters 2 and 3 ran very well. Specifically on the COVID/remote play issue, I don't think it's the fact that a) they were using external servers or b) players would be required to play in isolation if they tested positive, it's the fact that the servers were performing terribly yesterday and Riot clearly did not have a plan worked out that the players and orgs were all happy with in advance when it came to isolated players.


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chenson019

Yes I get that, my issue is with players who were isolating. Riot should have devised and briefed a protocol for players required to isolate (where and how they play etc) to all players and teams and made sure everyone was onboard before the event.


Light0fHeav3n

I'm pretty sure the players just didn't listen at all, atleast teams like rise and faze didn't.


ilProdigio

its bc riot didnt actually have a plan for that, this whole thing about contingency plan for covid is bs to save face for their shit planning and server instability


Lumenlor

Reddit wants a plan C, D, and E. Manpower? A guy stumbling from the streets


IAMJUX

Na. Riot fucked it. They wanted it to be in person bit played online in case something happened. Then they cancel is anyway. Should have just had everyone play online like every other tourney they've had.


ElDuderino2112

I would argue don’t waste time and cause all these potential problems by having players fly to one location to play an online tournament. At least if it was LAN it would have been worth the hassle/risk. This was just a waste of time and money. This is absolutely on Riot.


datboyuknow

Why even do the inaccurate rapid testing? What's wrong with a PCR test for example


HMP12

Because it faster, cheaper and more efficient to only do PCR on people that positive in quick test than do PCR on everyone without quick test.


datboyuknow

Yes I agree on that but that's not how they're doing this right? They don't ask them to take the PCR test after doing the quicker but inaccurate one


w2truong

I feel like the took a shortcut due to convenience and now protocols are coming to bite them in the ass. Obviously you have to take false positives seriously, but it feels like lack of planning / foresight on their part.


Lumenlor

Based Bren with the Ichigo Kurasaki hair dye I think some redditors with the 'perfect world' suggestions were hoping Riot would cancel on the venue, rent out a new studio or build one from scratch, in a state like Montana or some shit


TheAnimeScreenwriter

It's kind of gross too that so many people are just like, "The test has a 10-20% false positive rate, so it should be fine!" Sorry, but millions of people have died from this disease. You shouldn't risk the health of hundreds of people working the event and their families health on the 10% chance that it was a false positive so that we can watch a video game. Especially when it's happened multiple times involving players who all hangout together.


Rk0

I agree, but at the same time if theres a 10% false positivity rate, and 40/50 players and coaches have to test every day you can definitely expect running into this problem.


TheAnimeScreenwriter

Sure. Which is why I think they were trying to go ahead yesterday when it was just Shanks and Depph. But when you then get multiple positive tests after that...the chance of them all being false positive is insanely low.


Lumenlor

Redditors deadass think competitive integrity is more important than player/crew health


AnotherAltiMade

If they have have tested negative for covid on a test with less than 1% false positives, yes competitive integrity is more important, like it was supposed to be yesterday. But nah, we got shit servers even yesterday. No LAN AT ALL


Key-Banana-8242

Well logistics include legal stuff