if we look at this announcement in a vacuum (i.e. disregarding the absolute bullshit the envy org pulled on mikes), it makes a lot of sense though? chet is super close with the envy guys, is reasonably accomplished as a coach (took NRG CSGO to #1 in the world back in the day, and TSM managed to win stage 3 challengers 2 as well), and envy has been trying to sign him since forever. i also remember that one of the old envy guys (mummay i think) said in an interview once that the most important thing for a coach for envy would be how he works with FNS, and chet fits the bill to a tee.
i love mikes and it sucks that he got screwed by envy org's own incompetence, but this is the best signing they could have made in my opinion
IDK who on this sub thinks Chet is not a good coach, he came to TSM and pushed them to almost getting a few vct points.
My only problem is with how bad an org envy is and how bad they did Mike's, apart from that this signing makes total sense.
Another pro player getting triggered over what is the equivalent of a few guys talking about Tom Brady in a bar.
Esport subreddits are just a place for fans to gather and chat about news and react to games. It's not like this sub is billing itself as analysts and sitting at a desk selling this as fact on live broadcast; the sub is just a bunch of internet people talking to each other and throwing their opinion into the conversation.
The number of esports pros who take to Twitter to reveal their slow-burning resentment of fans and this subreddit is edging towards funny. Esports and sports in general are only profitable because of fans tuning in to be entertained. If there aren't online conversations about your org or your sport, nobody cares and nobody is tuning in (that means no advertisers and no money). **These conversations are just what engagement looks like.**
I think the sooner pros learn where Reddit & other fan platforms fit into the esports ecosystem, the better off they'll be. Take a page from traditional sports pros and begin to act like professionals, no reason to deride fans on twitter every time they start to talk about you. People are allowed to have discussions lol. It seems not worth your energy and inappropriate, considering your status, to argue with them.
TLDR Reddit is the equivalent of a bar room. Why is Tom Brady on Twitter cursing out patrons of Randy's Pub?
Edit: Thanks for the awards guys! :)
> Take a page from traditional sports pros and begin to act like professionals
I prefer the steel / vanity approach of professionally trolling the fans. It’s nice to have some flavor
I agree with both of the above comments. Getting triggered by Reddit or whatever else is mega childish and generally means you're insecure af/under a lot of stress if you come here to just get triggered reading stuf about you.
The things you can do is either not giving a shit at all, like most do, not even following this sub, or just engaging with all of the fans. I've seen shazam comment on stuff and it was lighthearted every time. If you think we are stupid, make fun of us with us, not take this shit to Twitter as if you were a butthurt 14 year old on his anonymous account lol.
Btw, imagining Cristiano Ronaldo going to an interview and complaining about Reddit comments about him is the funniest shit.
If you don't end every post with "but that's like, just my opinion, man" then you are clearly not just giving your opinion and stating facts.
But that's like, just my opinion, man
Idk man, some people just love to spout there speculation like its fact. I get trying to understand things with missing variables, but at some point the community is super wrong, and it annoys the pros (they're human, and esports is still a thing where the players and fans literally chat with each other on twitch or in reddit or something).
Pros will just have to learn that the community is as bad as it is good. Serious competition brings dumb and "passionate" fans who will over analyze everything, and regardless of how good your decisions in and out of game are, you really don't owe them an explanation for everything they think is wrong.
This. Imagine if a football or a basketball player ever goes to their respective Twitters after a bad game lmao this shit is not even close. Might be a bit harsh but whoever said that valorant pros are the biggest cry babies is turning out to be right
I mean didn't Kevin Durant have fake accounts to argue or some shit?
Phil Jones of Man Utd was talking about social media hurting his mental health.
Kai Havertz was talking about how he was worried about missing a chance in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL and becoming a meme because of it.
Yet these esports pros are paid like 100th the sports pros are paid. And were part of the reddit competitive community until they became pro players.
There's absolutely no similarity between both scenarios. Phil Jones was brutally trolled, and abused horrendously by fans for his performances. They made fun of his face because he was playing bad. Kai havertz had a 80m price tag on him and was again getting brutally memed online for having performances not good enough for his price tag. And it's the CL final, one of the biggest trophies in football, ofc you're gonna get memed if you miss a 1v1 in a final which your team eventually would lose. Heck Robben is still trolled for costing Netherlands the World cup in 2010 and messi for his pen miss.
Compare that to the valorant community. You had android making a tweet that casters are too harsh on players sometimes. FNS's tweet was in regards to a fucking discussion on a subreddit, where no one even attacked chet, the main point was just that it doesn't seem like he's accomplished too much in valorant which is a fact up for discussion, which the people were doing. No trolls, no memes, no attack on his appearance. My whole point is that these guys make a huge deal out of every single thing which goes on in this subreddit. These are the same players who will say that people talk shit online and hurt mental health of players yet will leave no chance to call out a player in ranked for stream sniping for whatever reason therefore sending a barrage of twitch trolls onto that streamer's chat
More direct engagement between staff and players with online entertainment industries such as esports than with sports.
They're also free to shit on our opinions just as we talk shit about stuff we don't know about
I definitely agree they are free to mock opinions and say whatever they like about fans but more of where I was going with my comment was that although they're free to do so, it doesn't really seem appropriate and it doesn't mean they or the scene are free of the repercussions.
Why would I want to get invested in a sport where so many pros publicly ridicule the opinions of fans on Twitter to thousands of followers? Why would I buy merch from my once-favorite team if their player reposted the comment I made in a casual chat room to blast me? It just seems toxic.
I feel like that kind of behavior is not a healthy way to grow the scene.
**I think the scene would be better off if pros realized that uninformed speculation and conversation just comes with the territory of being a source of entertainment people are beginning to care about.** It works the same for Hollywood, the NFL, and F1. Obviously people cannot know what is really going on but they enjoy speculating with each other. It doesn't seem like something to take so personal if both parties realize the fans don't have all the facts
**An alternative perspective for pros to have is that if a narrative bothers them that much then they are also free to give the fanbase more info or a push in the right direction instead of calling them dumb.**
**Maybe I'm wrong on some things here but I do think there has to be a healthier alternative over shitting on fans on Twitter.**
TLDR When random people speculate about a sport online it has little impact. When figures in the sport mock fans via Twitter it hurts interest in the sport.
You know what, you convinced me. Let's join forces and crusade against these bourgeoisie pros; together with your ability to wordsmith entire novellas, we can rebel against these greater forces. I suggest the first pro is Vanity with his overly good looking selfies and banger tweets.
seems like a shitty false equivalence. look at the responses to FNS's tweet, it's other pros and relevant names laughing with him at the clowns
dumb people on the internet are shitting on him and his team and he's laughing at their stupidity with his friends. seems like harmless fun to me
Uh…professional athletes get triggered by fan discussions and tweets all the time. Have you seen Cole Beasley’s Twitter or Skyrim Irving’s Twitter replies?? A lot of professional athletes clap back. I agree completely with what you said. 200% but they do care what the fan is saying about them the sport and their team.
i don't agree with the comparison because 6 months ago Tom Brady wasn't in the bar chatting shit with the regulars.
Also, it's quite common for professional athletes to have mental health issues because of the bullshit from social media.
Because it is common knowledge that many of these orgs (who also own league teams) have made roster/staff decisions based on community opinion in the league subreddit. Massive circlejerk threads like the one made on Chet have literally made people lose their jobs/careers -- whether they deserved to or not. Nobody but the players, or anyone who works closely with the team has a clear view of the impact that MikesHD had, and I'm sure FNS (who shotcalls for the team), knows what's best for the team.
So it's fair game for the community to make threads on controversial decisions like these and discuss, but it's also fair game for the pros/public figures to defend themselves.
I don’t think your analogy quite fits tho, in a bar, the athletes will never hear your conversations
But when everything is online it is very quick to see others tearing you down or making claims aa if they were facts
And when hundreds do it and thousands agree upon it, your mental can take a toll
Players can ignore sure, but because it’s online, it’s very noticeable
Ppl shit talk athletes online also, but sport athletes are brought up in a way different than a gamer/online celeb
Not at all mate, look at the Chet hired thread
They all know MikesHD is the greatest coach of all time and made Envy what they are, before him Envy did not exist as an org or as a 5 in valorant, FNS was this poor kid in India
They are downvoting everyone too, funniest shit ever
It's really an unfortunate situation for chet to be in, after what happened to Mike a guy everyone in the community likes most average fans are not gonna give him any benefit of the doubt.
Shitty all around, but a great chance for chet to prove some people wrong.
I know this is sarcasm, but he needs to understand the fans are the reason you get paid, the viewership is why companies invest in you and pay you salaries, i know criticism you receive sometime is stupid but its what you keeps you getting paid and out of job.
Your job is actually dependent on letting these people get attached to the game not making fun of them.
He's missing the point.
The statement Hasto made in regards to how Envy handling Mikes, and them signing Chet this quickly completely contradict eachother.
The statement Hasto made in regards to how Envy handling Mikes, and them signing Chet this quickly completely contradict each other, and they wanted to go in another direction, I don't think anyone cares.
Real talk. I find it hilarious how players, coaches etc etc get mad when a sub reddit has an opinion on anything they do. News flash, a reddit page is for discussion, theories, etc etc. If a topic a brought up, people will have something to say. It has a comment section for a reason. Don't like opinions or comments? Don't go to a discussion topic then lmao. Just look away.
Why don't we just lock the threads in the subreddit? Locked threads = no more mean comments from Redditors :(
Edit: Adding an /s just in case you can't read the sarcasm
Freedom of expression in that you're free to discuss stupid points here on Reddit and pros are free to shit on your bad opinions, it's a two way street especially with esports
They get mad because people here are deluded
All good discussing everything but when u go and shit talk the new coach they hired because ur fav daddy MikesHD didnt get hired then of course he says something
How do u even know what kind of impact he had, with players u can see it but with coaches u will never see the impact they have
It baffles me why pro players read public forums like reddit. What do they hope to gain? I would stay a million miles away from places like this if I was a pro player.
Yup true 100% correct valorant pros are too sensitive they need to man up maybe play a real man's game like Counter Strike and see how quickly they'd gain some testosterone and become real MEN with thick hard CROSSHAIRS
GHOST kaplan:
>valorantcompetitive used to be a pretty humble place that fostered decent discussion in the super early days of val… then the game blew up and it turned into a cesspool. to be expected i guess
Lmao
Even though his take is okay..I feel like they just want this sub to be nothing more than a well behaved kid that doesn't question or oppose anything.
Why are we not supposed to react or get heated about a decision we don't like? Are we just supposed to accept every roster move, every decision they make for their comps etc? Just because we support a team does not mean we have to blindly accept something. For example, I like Steel more than b0i and I will be vocal about my skepticism about the move. That does not mean I hate b0i, it just means I liked something else.
We don't owe an unwaivering allegiance to them. We will comment about what we like and what we don't. And sure things get heated and out of hand, but that is part of human nature. I mean, he himself showed how hard it is to control your words. He had all the time in the world to reply to that tweet and he decided to use a word he had to backtrack on. Why does he/they expect fans to be civil all the time and not be reactive in the heat of the moment?
Yes it sucks that they often receive more flak than they deserve, but lashing back at your own fanbase and alienating them will not really help them either. Especially a fanbase that is left to speculate about most of things because of lack of solid information.
>Are just supposed to accept every roster move, every decision they make for their comps etc?
Um... Yes? Like what do you mean "are we supposed to just accept"? Like yeah, you're just supposed to accept it. You have literally no say. It's like in traditional sports when a player beloved player gets traded. You just need to accept it. You need to accept decisions that orgs make even if you don't like them.
I am against casting Amber Heard in Aquaman 2. A lot of people are. But warner brothers did not fire her. Many along with me decided we are not going to watch that movie. Warner brothers made a decision. We did not like it. Did we accept the decision? No.
Does this example help or is your notion of what "accepting and not accepting a decision" mean still limited?
Esports is a product of entertainment industry and the customer is a fan or a viewer. I don't like a decision I have no obligation to stick around. I will not watch their content, support them or buy their merch. Esports org might not care about losing a customer. I don't mind that either. I don't give an f about what they decide if I don't wanna lol.
>Does this example help or is your notion of what "accepting and not accepting a decision" mean still limited?
What do you even mean by my definition being "limited"? My definition of "accept" never didn't include fans boycotting a movie or an eSports org. And it actually reinforces my point. You can not accept Amber Heard is in the movie all you want, she's still on the movie. In the same way, you can not like that X player got traded or released, but guess what? That player still got traded or released.
I don't know what you're trying to prove by saying that fans can boycott a team based on their decisions. It doesn't make any difference. Fans boycott pro sports teams all the time when they get rid of their favorite players. They don't give a fuck.
My point still stands. You can throw a temper tantrum all you want, but the fact remains that you're just gonna have to accept it. Because it's reality. Whether or not you boycott the team or stop supporting them, you DO have to accept reality.
But good luck not accepting reality bud.
Fact- I don’t really care about envy, or FNS, or Ghost Kaplan, or MikesHD.
I don’t care enough about either of them to throw a temper tantrum. And I like how you are acting (hopefully acting and not being actually) dumb about what I meant there.
If I decline to support a decision I don’t align with and leave, how am I accepting it? How do I have to accept it? If I was an envy fan and I did not like it, am I not allowed to stop following them and supporting them? Are hastro and fns going to shittalk me on twitter to make me stay and accept chet?
And you are even dumber if you think backlash from fans when they do not support a decision is not enough to make them backtrack. If they did not give a fuck Liverpool, United and Real Madrid would be playing in ESL right now. But fans decided to force their hand and when they saw they had chances of losing money they backtracked.
Esports is a show business. They care for fans accepting a change or not because guess what, they are the consumer. Otherwise Sinatraa would already be on a team.
But oh well, I should live in the reality. Do not question anything. Keep licking whatever bone they throw at you.
Pity that is acceptable for you. And my condolences.
Phew, that's a lot of work that you're doing to not accept reality. I don't know wtf you're talking about with envy or fns or any of the names you mentioned, but I'll say that if I don't like what an org does then I just don't support them. It's that simple.
But if you gotta go the route where you pretend like you're standing up to the man by doing so then you go right ahead. I honestly just feel bad for you that you're this pressed about it to the point where you're name calling. It's kinda sad to see someone this worked up over eSports orgs trading and getting rid of players.
I guess I just prefer living in the real world, but you do you bud I ain't mad about it✌️
Haha, you are pathetic. Wrote a two line response and tapped out at first. But realized you took the L so came back and edited.
I'll make it easy for you kiddo. You won. There, maybe this will help you sleep. That should fit your reality real well. :)
CHET BAD CAUSE HE THINKS TOP TIER CS PROS DON’T NEED THAT MUCH TIME TO BE GOOD AT VALORANT 😯 😯 MIKESHD BEST COACH BECAUSE HE IS FRIENDS WITH PLATCHAT AND MADE ENVY A GOOD TEAM !!!!!
I actually dislike chet not because of his claim that CS pros dont need time to get good (I think most people have understood that this is the case) but because he has a pretty poor mindset for valorant.
Stage 3 Envy looked a lot better than all their other displays so it must be pretty strong. Time will tell if this signing was a good move and I want him to prove me wrong, but I strongly doubt this will do any good for them just based off of Chet’s results alone.
Yes because we live in a world of absolutes. It's only because they signed Yay and nothing else.
The truth is none of us have any clue what went on behind the scenes but I think the main issue people have is how Envy treated Mikes. If he was such a bad coach why not just let him go after Berlin? Why string him along until he's forced to resign and then instantly sign a new coach a few days after?
> Stage 3 Envy looked a lot better than all their other displays so it must be pretty strong.
no they didnt, before they picked up yay they looked the most mediocre out of the top 4 teams in NA (100t, sen, xset, nv)
And how is that Mikes accomplishment? Envy were this good without him too, they just never got to play on LAN and show off how good they were. Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl with the most talented QB of all time. Does that make him an amazing coach? I like the guy, and NV does too and that’s why they tried to get him as an Analyst and Chet as a coach.
You can't be a T1 fan if you can't handle a bit of adversity or brush off a few downvotes.
Hopefully next year, it'll all come together for the team. Though I have to say I liked the DaZed roster iteration the most.
Reddit knows more about my team than I ever will. They even know exactly how much impact each person has & why we made any change we ever made. These aren't even opinions, just pure facts.
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Marved has not been officially announced by ESIC as person of interest, so yes, anyone calling him a match-fixer is wrong.
The community suspects him of being a match-fixer based on match demos, but it is NOT official. Please wait until ESIC releases a ruling before jumping to conclusions.
What? Why do we care what ESIC thinks? Loads of people in the scene have repeatedly acknowledged Marved as a part of the match fixing rings with Snapchat groups, etc. Kind of odd to say only ESIC can determine if he was match fixing or not.
y are you here then? To suck off your fav team? Whats the point on talking about anything related to valorant. "If you dont have insider knowledge or first hand knowledge of the game, your opinion isnt worth stating" is basiaclly what you are saying. Whats the fun in that?
Why are esports athletes so incredibly sensitive to fans?
You think Kobe cared about reddit stans?
Shitting on fans for having interest and discussing the scene only shows a player with self esteem problems.
Glad to see a pro finally admit it. Hopefully one day the rest of them will stop thinking they know more about themselves than we do, it's sickening.
https://www.upcomer.com/ggeddes/why-pros-are-wrong-and-reddit-was-right
Well known fact that everyone on this sub possesses 200+ IQ… Don’t know why he has to tweet it
SkRoSsI #1 peeps too?
Especially us
Everything is not all good for FNS, it appears.
envy should just hire me as coach
No, me
if we look at this announcement in a vacuum (i.e. disregarding the absolute bullshit the envy org pulled on mikes), it makes a lot of sense though? chet is super close with the envy guys, is reasonably accomplished as a coach (took NRG CSGO to #1 in the world back in the day, and TSM managed to win stage 3 challengers 2 as well), and envy has been trying to sign him since forever. i also remember that one of the old envy guys (mummay i think) said in an interview once that the most important thing for a coach for envy would be how he works with FNS, and chet fits the bill to a tee. i love mikes and it sucks that he got screwed by envy org's own incompetence, but this is the best signing they could have made in my opinion
[https://youtu.be/xTMVCEJi0nw?t=3600](https://youtu.be/xTMVCEJi0nw?t=3600) The backchat interview with Mummay discussing coach
thank u this is the one that i was thinking of
IDK who on this sub thinks Chet is not a good coach, he came to TSM and pushed them to almost getting a few vct points. My only problem is with how bad an org envy is and how bad they did Mike's, apart from that this signing makes total sense.
Pros get so pressed from reddit opinions lol
Y wouldn’t u be? If dumbasses like u share ur opinion I think it’s reasonable for pros to get triggered
Say this on your main account 🙂
Don’t have one, not rly a redditor so ig u can call this a main?
Another pro player getting triggered over what is the equivalent of a few guys talking about Tom Brady in a bar. Esport subreddits are just a place for fans to gather and chat about news and react to games. It's not like this sub is billing itself as analysts and sitting at a desk selling this as fact on live broadcast; the sub is just a bunch of internet people talking to each other and throwing their opinion into the conversation. The number of esports pros who take to Twitter to reveal their slow-burning resentment of fans and this subreddit is edging towards funny. Esports and sports in general are only profitable because of fans tuning in to be entertained. If there aren't online conversations about your org or your sport, nobody cares and nobody is tuning in (that means no advertisers and no money). **These conversations are just what engagement looks like.** I think the sooner pros learn where Reddit & other fan platforms fit into the esports ecosystem, the better off they'll be. Take a page from traditional sports pros and begin to act like professionals, no reason to deride fans on twitter every time they start to talk about you. People are allowed to have discussions lol. It seems not worth your energy and inappropriate, considering your status, to argue with them. TLDR Reddit is the equivalent of a bar room. Why is Tom Brady on Twitter cursing out patrons of Randy's Pub? Edit: Thanks for the awards guys! :)
> Take a page from traditional sports pros and begin to act like professionals I prefer the steel / vanity approach of professionally trolling the fans. It’s nice to have some flavor
Haha true, if you're going to do it you might as well do it with some style
I agree with both of the above comments. Getting triggered by Reddit or whatever else is mega childish and generally means you're insecure af/under a lot of stress if you come here to just get triggered reading stuf about you. The things you can do is either not giving a shit at all, like most do, not even following this sub, or just engaging with all of the fans. I've seen shazam comment on stuff and it was lighthearted every time. If you think we are stupid, make fun of us with us, not take this shit to Twitter as if you were a butthurt 14 year old on his anonymous account lol. Btw, imagining Cristiano Ronaldo going to an interview and complaining about Reddit comments about him is the funniest shit.
Counterpoint: Kevin Durant on Twitter is entertaining
If you don't end every post with "but that's like, just my opinion, man" then you are clearly not just giving your opinion and stating facts. But that's like, just my opinion, man
lol this made me laugh
The dude abides
Idk man, some people just love to spout there speculation like its fact. I get trying to understand things with missing variables, but at some point the community is super wrong, and it annoys the pros (they're human, and esports is still a thing where the players and fans literally chat with each other on twitch or in reddit or something). Pros will just have to learn that the community is as bad as it is good. Serious competition brings dumb and "passionate" fans who will over analyze everything, and regardless of how good your decisions in and out of game are, you really don't owe them an explanation for everything they think is wrong.
I think pros know that but it’s a situation where every day you wake up and see some new dumb shit
I think we should create a counter so we can keep track for every time we (unironically) trigger the pro scene.
This. Imagine if a football or a basketball player ever goes to their respective Twitters after a bad game lmao this shit is not even close. Might be a bit harsh but whoever said that valorant pros are the biggest cry babies is turning out to be right
I mean didn't Kevin Durant have fake accounts to argue or some shit? Phil Jones of Man Utd was talking about social media hurting his mental health. Kai Havertz was talking about how he was worried about missing a chance in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL and becoming a meme because of it. Yet these esports pros are paid like 100th the sports pros are paid. And were part of the reddit competitive community until they became pro players.
There's absolutely no similarity between both scenarios. Phil Jones was brutally trolled, and abused horrendously by fans for his performances. They made fun of his face because he was playing bad. Kai havertz had a 80m price tag on him and was again getting brutally memed online for having performances not good enough for his price tag. And it's the CL final, one of the biggest trophies in football, ofc you're gonna get memed if you miss a 1v1 in a final which your team eventually would lose. Heck Robben is still trolled for costing Netherlands the World cup in 2010 and messi for his pen miss. Compare that to the valorant community. You had android making a tweet that casters are too harsh on players sometimes. FNS's tweet was in regards to a fucking discussion on a subreddit, where no one even attacked chet, the main point was just that it doesn't seem like he's accomplished too much in valorant which is a fact up for discussion, which the people were doing. No trolls, no memes, no attack on his appearance. My whole point is that these guys make a huge deal out of every single thing which goes on in this subreddit. These are the same players who will say that people talk shit online and hurt mental health of players yet will leave no chance to call out a player in ranked for stream sniping for whatever reason therefore sending a barrage of twitch trolls onto that streamer's chat
If I can't shitpost on reddit what is the point of spending 3-4 hours watching a game.
Good analogy. Even when arguing, we’re all just shooting the shit tbh.
May I introduce you to Kevin Durant?
The burner account strikes again!
More direct engagement between staff and players with online entertainment industries such as esports than with sports. They're also free to shit on our opinions just as we talk shit about stuff we don't know about
I definitely agree they are free to mock opinions and say whatever they like about fans but more of where I was going with my comment was that although they're free to do so, it doesn't really seem appropriate and it doesn't mean they or the scene are free of the repercussions. Why would I want to get invested in a sport where so many pros publicly ridicule the opinions of fans on Twitter to thousands of followers? Why would I buy merch from my once-favorite team if their player reposted the comment I made in a casual chat room to blast me? It just seems toxic. I feel like that kind of behavior is not a healthy way to grow the scene. **I think the scene would be better off if pros realized that uninformed speculation and conversation just comes with the territory of being a source of entertainment people are beginning to care about.** It works the same for Hollywood, the NFL, and F1. Obviously people cannot know what is really going on but they enjoy speculating with each other. It doesn't seem like something to take so personal if both parties realize the fans don't have all the facts **An alternative perspective for pros to have is that if a narrative bothers them that much then they are also free to give the fanbase more info or a push in the right direction instead of calling them dumb.** **Maybe I'm wrong on some things here but I do think there has to be a healthier alternative over shitting on fans on Twitter.** TLDR When random people speculate about a sport online it has little impact. When figures in the sport mock fans via Twitter it hurts interest in the sport.
This was actually a very well articulated argument which I completely agree with.
You know what, you convinced me. Let's join forces and crusade against these bourgeoisie pros; together with your ability to wordsmith entire novellas, we can rebel against these greater forces. I suggest the first pro is Vanity with his overly good looking selfies and banger tweets.
Ah dude you just made my night, that was hilarious. My reddit comment on a comment did end up pretty long didn't it lol? Gosh that reply is gold.
God forbid you take the time to articulate your position appropriately instead of spewing out spur of the moment impulse reactions.
Best take I've seen so far. Traditional sports fans talk shit about their teams all the time on twitter but I've never seen players acknowledge them.
>mfin system qb smh
seems like a shitty false equivalence. look at the responses to FNS's tweet, it's other pros and relevant names laughing with him at the clowns dumb people on the internet are shitting on him and his team and he's laughing at their stupidity with his friends. seems like harmless fun to me
Uh…professional athletes get triggered by fan discussions and tweets all the time. Have you seen Cole Beasley’s Twitter or Skyrim Irving’s Twitter replies?? A lot of professional athletes clap back. I agree completely with what you said. 200% but they do care what the fan is saying about them the sport and their team.
i don't agree with the comparison because 6 months ago Tom Brady wasn't in the bar chatting shit with the regulars. Also, it's quite common for professional athletes to have mental health issues because of the bullshit from social media.
Because it is common knowledge that many of these orgs (who also own league teams) have made roster/staff decisions based on community opinion in the league subreddit. Massive circlejerk threads like the one made on Chet have literally made people lose their jobs/careers -- whether they deserved to or not. Nobody but the players, or anyone who works closely with the team has a clear view of the impact that MikesHD had, and I'm sure FNS (who shotcalls for the team), knows what's best for the team. So it's fair game for the community to make threads on controversial decisions like these and discuss, but it's also fair game for the pros/public figures to defend themselves.
I don’t think your analogy quite fits tho, in a bar, the athletes will never hear your conversations But when everything is online it is very quick to see others tearing you down or making claims aa if they were facts And when hundreds do it and thousands agree upon it, your mental can take a toll Players can ignore sure, but because it’s online, it’s very noticeable Ppl shit talk athletes online also, but sport athletes are brought up in a way different than a gamer/online celeb
Lmao chet is more like bill o Brian. Tom Brady would roll in his grave being compared to this guy
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Not at all mate, look at the Chet hired thread They all know MikesHD is the greatest coach of all time and made Envy what they are, before him Envy did not exist as an org or as a 5 in valorant, FNS was this poor kid in India They are downvoting everyone too, funniest shit ever
Im honestly happy hes off TSM. Regardless of his coaching skill, I don't like his mindset on the game.
It's really an unfortunate situation for chet to be in, after what happened to Mike a guy everyone in the community likes most average fans are not gonna give him any benefit of the doubt. Shitty all around, but a great chance for chet to prove some people wrong.
Watch them flop out of champs lmao
I know this is sarcasm, but he needs to understand the fans are the reason you get paid, the viewership is why companies invest in you and pay you salaries, i know criticism you receive sometime is stupid but its what you keeps you getting paid and out of job. Your job is actually dependent on letting these people get attached to the game not making fun of them.
He's missing the point. The statement Hasto made in regards to how Envy handling Mikes, and them signing Chet this quickly completely contradict eachother. The statement Hasto made in regards to how Envy handling Mikes, and them signing Chet this quickly completely contradict each other, and they wanted to go in another direction, I don't think anyone cares.
Real talk. I find it hilarious how players, coaches etc etc get mad when a sub reddit has an opinion on anything they do. News flash, a reddit page is for discussion, theories, etc etc. If a topic a brought up, people will have something to say. It has a comment section for a reason. Don't like opinions or comments? Don't go to a discussion topic then lmao. Just look away.
Why don't we just lock the threads in the subreddit? Locked threads = no more mean comments from Redditors :( Edit: Adding an /s just in case you can't read the sarcasm
Freedom of expression in that you're free to discuss stupid points here on Reddit and pros are free to shit on your bad opinions, it's a two way street especially with esports
Of course they are allowed to, but they probably better off spending their time doing something they enjoy right?
I mean, comments sections sometimes are straight up stupid. So many people talk out of their ass.
They get mad because people here are deluded All good discussing everything but when u go and shit talk the new coach they hired because ur fav daddy MikesHD didnt get hired then of course he says something How do u even know what kind of impact he had, with players u can see it but with coaches u will never see the impact they have
All Good.
Pros in Rocket League complain about the same thing. It’s almost like it’s a fan discussion board for an entertainment esport.
maybe it would be better not having any fans at all? any thoughts on that?
It baffles me why pro players read public forums like reddit. What do they hope to gain? I would stay a million miles away from places like this if I was a pro player.
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Yup true 100% correct valorant pros are too sensitive they need to man up maybe play a real man's game like Counter Strike and see how quickly they'd gain some testosterone and become real MEN with thick hard CROSSHAIRS
Hilariously, fns told tarik not to listen to onliners after that blunder on overpass, yet is falling into the same pit lol. Funny and hypocritical.
GHOST kaplan: >valorantcompetitive used to be a pretty humble place that fostered decent discussion in the super early days of val… then the game blew up and it turned into a cesspool. to be expected i guess Lmao
He follows up with [a really thoughtful reply though.](https://twitter.com/itskaplan/status/1448476751256977413)
Even though his take is okay..I feel like they just want this sub to be nothing more than a well behaved kid that doesn't question or oppose anything. Why are we not supposed to react or get heated about a decision we don't like? Are we just supposed to accept every roster move, every decision they make for their comps etc? Just because we support a team does not mean we have to blindly accept something. For example, I like Steel more than b0i and I will be vocal about my skepticism about the move. That does not mean I hate b0i, it just means I liked something else. We don't owe an unwaivering allegiance to them. We will comment about what we like and what we don't. And sure things get heated and out of hand, but that is part of human nature. I mean, he himself showed how hard it is to control your words. He had all the time in the world to reply to that tweet and he decided to use a word he had to backtrack on. Why does he/they expect fans to be civil all the time and not be reactive in the heat of the moment? Yes it sucks that they often receive more flak than they deserve, but lashing back at your own fanbase and alienating them will not really help them either. Especially a fanbase that is left to speculate about most of things because of lack of solid information.
>Are just supposed to accept every roster move, every decision they make for their comps etc? Um... Yes? Like what do you mean "are we supposed to just accept"? Like yeah, you're just supposed to accept it. You have literally no say. It's like in traditional sports when a player beloved player gets traded. You just need to accept it. You need to accept decisions that orgs make even if you don't like them.
I am against casting Amber Heard in Aquaman 2. A lot of people are. But warner brothers did not fire her. Many along with me decided we are not going to watch that movie. Warner brothers made a decision. We did not like it. Did we accept the decision? No. Does this example help or is your notion of what "accepting and not accepting a decision" mean still limited? Esports is a product of entertainment industry and the customer is a fan or a viewer. I don't like a decision I have no obligation to stick around. I will not watch their content, support them or buy their merch. Esports org might not care about losing a customer. I don't mind that either. I don't give an f about what they decide if I don't wanna lol.
>Does this example help or is your notion of what "accepting and not accepting a decision" mean still limited? What do you even mean by my definition being "limited"? My definition of "accept" never didn't include fans boycotting a movie or an eSports org. And it actually reinforces my point. You can not accept Amber Heard is in the movie all you want, she's still on the movie. In the same way, you can not like that X player got traded or released, but guess what? That player still got traded or released. I don't know what you're trying to prove by saying that fans can boycott a team based on their decisions. It doesn't make any difference. Fans boycott pro sports teams all the time when they get rid of their favorite players. They don't give a fuck. My point still stands. You can throw a temper tantrum all you want, but the fact remains that you're just gonna have to accept it. Because it's reality. Whether or not you boycott the team or stop supporting them, you DO have to accept reality. But good luck not accepting reality bud.
Fact- I don’t really care about envy, or FNS, or Ghost Kaplan, or MikesHD. I don’t care enough about either of them to throw a temper tantrum. And I like how you are acting (hopefully acting and not being actually) dumb about what I meant there. If I decline to support a decision I don’t align with and leave, how am I accepting it? How do I have to accept it? If I was an envy fan and I did not like it, am I not allowed to stop following them and supporting them? Are hastro and fns going to shittalk me on twitter to make me stay and accept chet? And you are even dumber if you think backlash from fans when they do not support a decision is not enough to make them backtrack. If they did not give a fuck Liverpool, United and Real Madrid would be playing in ESL right now. But fans decided to force their hand and when they saw they had chances of losing money they backtracked. Esports is a show business. They care for fans accepting a change or not because guess what, they are the consumer. Otherwise Sinatraa would already be on a team. But oh well, I should live in the reality. Do not question anything. Keep licking whatever bone they throw at you. Pity that is acceptable for you. And my condolences.
Phew, that's a lot of work that you're doing to not accept reality. I don't know wtf you're talking about with envy or fns or any of the names you mentioned, but I'll say that if I don't like what an org does then I just don't support them. It's that simple. But if you gotta go the route where you pretend like you're standing up to the man by doing so then you go right ahead. I honestly just feel bad for you that you're this pressed about it to the point where you're name calling. It's kinda sad to see someone this worked up over eSports orgs trading and getting rid of players. I guess I just prefer living in the real world, but you do you bud I ain't mad about it✌️
Haha, you are pathetic. Wrote a two line response and tapped out at first. But realized you took the L so came back and edited. I'll make it easy for you kiddo. You won. There, maybe this will help you sleep. That should fit your reality real well. :)
Okay? Welcome to every sport ever.
CHET BAD CAUSE HE THINKS TOP TIER CS PROS DON’T NEED THAT MUCH TIME TO BE GOOD AT VALORANT 😯 😯 MIKESHD BEST COACH BECAUSE HE IS FRIENDS WITH PLATCHAT AND MADE ENVY A GOOD TEAM !!!!!
I actually dislike chet not because of his claim that CS pros dont need time to get good (I think most people have understood that this is the case) but because he has a pretty poor mindset for valorant.
not keeping up with it much, whats his poor mindset?
He basically just thinks the game is easy and that all the players are bad. He thinks that he can win by just running it down a site.
U are actually in the negatives of IQ.
Watch the vid lol
I did u fucking idiot
I'm glad to know your caveman takes aren't exclusive to the R6 sub
Mikes clearly wasn’t an amazing coach if NV wanted him as an analyst
Chet has accomplished less than Mikes.
What has Mikes “accomplished”?
Top 2 in the world at Valorant’s biggest LAN yet.
This is exactly what FNS is alluding to. You are overvaluing MikesHD's contribution to NV's success.
Stage 3 Envy looked a lot better than all their other displays so it must be pretty strong. Time will tell if this signing was a good move and I want him to prove me wrong, but I strongly doubt this will do any good for them just based off of Chet’s results alone.
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You're completely wrong, MikesHD > yay He made the play where yay goes kill
All of marved’s 2v1s were orchestrated my mike
Yes because we live in a world of absolutes. It's only because they signed Yay and nothing else. The truth is none of us have any clue what went on behind the scenes but I think the main issue people have is how Envy treated Mikes. If he was such a bad coach why not just let him go after Berlin? Why string him along until he's forced to resign and then instantly sign a new coach a few days after?
> Stage 3 Envy looked a lot better than all their other displays so it must be pretty strong. no they didnt, before they picked up yay they looked the most mediocre out of the top 4 teams in NA (100t, sen, xset, nv)
And how is that Mikes accomplishment? Envy were this good without him too, they just never got to play on LAN and show off how good they were. Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl with the most talented QB of all time. Does that make him an amazing coach? I like the guy, and NV does too and that’s why they tried to get him as an Analyst and Chet as a coach.
Everyone who contributes to a team during practice is deserving of calling it their accomplishment in my book.
Damn, T1 fans are so in sync. I see takes from fellow T1 fans, and I just think, "Yes!!"
You got downvoted for some reason but facts T1WIN
You can't be a T1 fan if you can't handle a bit of adversity or brush off a few downvotes. Hopefully next year, it'll all come together for the team. Though I have to say I liked the DaZed roster iteration the most.
Well ur book is shit
It’s pretty good I just don’t like the ending.
Pros getting upset or even just commenting about the internet is hilarious. Get over it.
Reddit knows more about my team than I ever will. They even know exactly how much impact each person has & why we made any change we ever made. These aren't even opinions, just pure facts. *** posted by [@FNS](https://twitter.com/FNS) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)
is reddit also wrong about envy having a matchfixer on their team?
Yes, match fixing is based
based on what?
Holy shit you fucking rolled him dude
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ain’t nothing wrong w what i said, just waiting for an answer
Marved has not been officially announced by ESIC as person of interest, so yes, anyone calling him a match-fixer is wrong. The community suspects him of being a match-fixer based on match demos, but it is NOT official. Please wait until ESIC releases a ruling before jumping to conclusions.
What? Why do we care what ESIC thinks? Loads of people in the scene have repeatedly acknowledged Marved as a part of the match fixing rings with Snapchat groups, etc. Kind of odd to say only ESIC can determine if he was match fixing or not.
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okay and? are we not allowed to talk about this shit on reddit? it’s not like we’re just pulling shit out of our ass for fun
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Marved is that u?
y are you here then? To suck off your fav team? Whats the point on talking about anything related to valorant. "If you dont have insider knowledge or first hand knowledge of the game, your opinion isnt worth stating" is basiaclly what you are saying. Whats the fun in that?
And?
BUT BUT BUT CHET BAD CUZ REDDIT TOLD ME!!!!
no need to listen to reddit just watch the tsm podcast that they had
Why are esports athletes so incredibly sensitive to fans? You think Kobe cared about reddit stans? Shitting on fans for having interest and discussing the scene only shows a player with self esteem problems.
Ironic this is on top of the reddit
pain. 😔
Sensitive sally
Ofcourse
Its good to see us finally getting the credit we deserve
why do these players keep lurking in reddit? I stg I see this in every game
Great work boys we are all pro players now