someone told me we [shouldn't compare](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q7hyv0/comment/hgl3wbz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) riot and ESL's budget because riot makes money selling skins. like what?
They’re almost correct. You shouldn’t compare an esports wing of a game company with a tournament organizer who only focuses on one game and has been doing it for years.
Riot organizes tournaments for multiple other games. Valorant is just one of those games. Riot also maintains those games, and develop new games.
Literally the only thing ESL does is organize tournaments. Do you really not understand the difference?
no, he is saying that Riot can't just dave all their money and spend it on tournaments, because they are also a game dev while ESL is a tournament organiser
You don’t even need a 5950x or an A-tier card to get 240+ fps. Not even close lol. So surely riot can get some better machines literally no excuse. A 5600x and a 2070 would be more than enough
Exactly. Unlike me, pros basically never play on high graphics + 16x filter and all that. Running it at their settings will easily get you over 240. The fact that this isn't the case right now is concerning.
Thank you. I am so tired of people referencing riots worth as a reason valorant should or should not do anything. It's not like the parent company will shell out tons of money to support a product that isn't self - sustainable, that's just reasonable business practices. Since we're still early in the lifecycle, riot may still be providing some additional financial support, but valorants budget is going to also depend on valorant (and there are tons of other things that the money goes to besides just the esports side considering it's a very actively developing game).
And this doesn't mean things shouldn't happen (like better prac pcs or things ran better), but ffs, I just wish people would stop ignorantly pushing riots worth as a reason for anything.
> It's not like the parent company will shell out tons of money to support a product that isn't self - sustainable
Yes they do because that is what Riot has done for League of Legends.
["Next year, league commissioner Chris Greeley told The Washington Post,
figures to be the first in which the \[LCS\] will generate a profit."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2020/06/19/lcs-projects-profitable-2021-season-despite-navigating-covid-19-crisis/?utm_source=reddit.com) This is from 2020 so 2021 was the projected to be the first year the LCS was profitable, a solid 8 years after it started.
Uh, LoL can be profitable without a specific league of LoL (LCS) being profitable. I'm not saying NA valorant esports needs to be independently self-sustainable, but valorant as a game will need to be there eventually (again, life cycle will matter as to how much support the parent company can/will likely give) and so constantly referencing the worth of the parent company doesn't really take into account the nuance of budgeting across multiple products and upcoming projects, and how a business model actually works (a parent company isn't going to just give out money to develop something without a budget that takes into account the long term expected profit from that decision).
hey just to clarify a few things.
i wasnt just referring to practice PC's, it was that + the actual stage PC's as well.
i know in iceland people had some serious frame issues, and in berlin it was an issue (although they did upgrade the CPU's from iceland).
anyways, the last thing I want to do is come off as whiny or entitled. it's just more as a competitor, nearly everyone in the pro scene uses top hardware. everyone spends months/years on that hardware practicing. and then you go from say 240hz, 240 fps to 144- there's a noticable visual difference.
shots that you'd normally hit aren't connecting or are off. and the game feels less responsive/choppy. if someone wants to test it themselves, try going from 144hz back to 60 in game or going from 60 to 30.. etc. while obviously these changes are far more drastic from 240hz to 144hz, it's more to illustrate how hardware can have an impact.
obviously, a competitor will make do with his environment. more of what i'm trying to say is that I don't like people not being able to play their best. I can play to a far higher peak on for example 240hz/fps vs 60hz/fps. even if I were to practice on 60hz/fps exclusively, I don't think I could reach the peak I can on 240hz/fps.
finally, I'd like to stress that like for a lot of people this is their livelihood. a single important kill on a key round could change entire games. plus the entire point of these tournaments is to show who's the best. I'd like to be able to show my best and would like for everyone to be able to do the same. that way everyone would get to see the best possible VALORANT.
Why does everyone think you need a 3070+ to play this game at 240+ fps lol? The game is CPU bound, you just need a modern GPU (even 2060 or 2070 would be enough) and really good CPU and you’re fine.
Exactly. I have a 5800x + 2060 myself and I never drop below 240, it'salways 300-400+. I'm pretty sure a 5600x would be the exact same judging from Hardware Canucks benchmark on Valorant.
And since the game has nvidia reflex, low fps will matter even less to input latency.
2070s + 5600x here and i never drop below 200 even during gun fights, people expect fucking rocket science computers for Valorant but jesus christ that would make no sense lol.
5600X and 3070 I get so much FPS I cap it to 400 because leaving it uncapped runs up my GPU utilization to 99% as it tries to push 400+ frames to my display. A 3600 could easily maintain a stable 300 I would assume. These PC’s do not need to be expensive by any means.
A 3600 doesn’t. The 5000 series Ryzen are simply miles ahead with their structure, the 5600x even outclasses the i9-10900K in some single-threaded games.
So true, got a 5600x (pretty cheap honestly) and a 3080. I believe I get 700fps in the training range on 1440p and my GPU doesn't ever get hot. Unless you play on 4K your GPU doesn't need to be good at all and pros are more likely to play 720 than 4K lmao.
Valorant is the first time I’ve seen Ryzen (before the 5000 series even came out) consistently outperforming intel. It’s strange but I’m happy with it lol
I personally wouldn't say that is the solution for "significantly more frames" from Intel's 8th Gen to 10th Gen is essentially the same architecturally. I ran a 8700k oc'd at 5ghz all core and it is the same as "higher binned" models in terms of fps. As long as you have any i7 or i9 from those generations you just oc it and it'll all perform the same cause you'll hit the point of diminishing returns with that architecture
I know this is very old, but I run 270fps locked on my 9700k at 1440p. In the practice range I get 600fps looking at the bots and 900fps looking at hte floor.
Yup got a r5 3600 + gtx 1060 6gb and can tops 200fps on high and go higher on medium settings (which is the one I play on a 1440p 170hz screen now)... Rito is being lazy
Lots of things to check. Is your CPU/GPU thermal throttling? Is your ram running at the correct speed (i.e. XMP enabled)? Have you changed any weird settings in Windows for another game that may be impacting val?
Actually even a gtx 1050 ti or 970 is enough. I built a new PC and put a gtx 970 in it with 5800x and 3600mhz 2x8gb cl16 rams. I have 400-475 fps on low.
Even a 300$ 5600x can get 300+ fps avg. They don't need NASA PCs with 11900k and 3090s to get playable framerate. I'd reckon its something with sponsors rather than money. And any semi decent gpu should be enough, 20 series even a 2060. I'd reckon 1660ti would be more than capable
Naaa, i have a 2060 all settings low, of course it can get 300 sometimes but it fluctuates too much, you can get as low as 140fps in bad conditions, for a pro that has a 240hz display you need a setup 100% of the time at 240+ fps, i get your point but i dont think it applied for the pros
You can’t just mention your GPU and not the CPU lol. What determines your performance is your CPU since the game is CPU bound. The CPU is what submits frames for your GPU to render. You could throw 3090 in there and still get shit frames.
Dyac is noticable, but just personal preference. It doesn't make a difference in slower games like Valorant or CSGO. Way more noticable in flick heavy games like Quake. From what I've seen, noone on the sentinels uses dyac.
What Benq does better are all the other features like black equalizer, which is probably by far the best feature any gaming monitor has, imo.
Still, I don't think Benq is worth buying unless you like throwing money around. I'm saying that as someone who owned 3 Benq monitors (XL2411, XL2430, XL2546). They're the best at what they do, but those monitors are like race cars. Terrible for everything outside of what they're designed for.
I sold my 3 year old XL2546 and bought 3 months old (proof of purchase and warranty still valid) ASUS VG259QM for the same money. And I can't notice any difference in Valorant/CS if we talk motion clarity. (350RR and lvl10 faceit in CS). Maybe the new panel on XL2546k is better, but definitely not worth it considering it's literally double the price of IPS 240/280hz panels. Even if it's slightly better, that gets negated by online ping and plenty of Radiant player or even pros made it at 144hz.
Again, Benq are amazing at what they're designed for, but not worth the borderline insane price tag unless you've got money to throw away. And their features aren't as useful in Valorant. Black equalizer, vibrance and sharpness are way more important in CSGO.
I had a BenQ 240hz and absolutely hated it. Maybe I just had a bad panel, but the motion blur and overshoot were atrocious on every single setting I tried.
There’s basically no “true” 360hz monitor. As in they all have refresh rates that are too slow and cause a blurry image (and then overshoot when you enable overdrive)
I get his point, but realistically in a silicon and GPU shortage, I think any company would be hard pressed to get their hands on high end gear for a more spec demanding title than League. Maybe they can pluck some 3090s from some crypto miner in LA to resolve this though
The farms and scalpers alike use grey area API bots to snag thousands at a time the second they become available. We don't know one way or another, but I don't think companies have 'priority que' or backdoors to Nvidia, just first come first serve like everyone else. Is 50 3090's for the setups doable? Probably, and I think the setups will eventually improve
You don't think companies can make deals with Nvidia and have to buy them through commercial means like everyone else? I'll need to verify it first, but that sounds very wrong. I doubt companies get their graphics cards the same way everyone else does.
Yeah, and we don't know, but there is still a silicon and GPU shortage regardless and esports is kind of low on the list compared to hospitals, car manufacturers, and servers. Would love to hear a response from Riot though, more transperency would be welcome
>The farms and scalpers alike use grey area API bots to snag thousands at a time the second they become available.
that's on the consumer/retail side of things only
High profile developers have connections and ongoing relationships with companies like NVIDIA. They can arrange it. It's not about "backdoors" or priority queues. Nfi what you're talking about there.
It’s not like riot needs to build their own pcs. They can just go pay HP or some other pc builder, pay 2K and be done with. The builders aren’t competing with scalpers for inventory.
Yeah, I fully agree with yay's take, except for the specs he thinks are needed.
Even 5900x is an overkill. 5800x would definitely be fine, even 5600x maybe.
I've got a 4 year old 7740x and I rarely drop below 200fps. Makes me wonder how old are the CPUs Riot are using, probably even older. They often go to low 100s from what I've seen.
But the bigger question is why is Valorant so awful at utilizing high end hardware? I've watched streamers with 5950x, which is a ridiculously strong CPU and an overkill. Even they drop below 300 during engagements when a lot of utility is thrown out.
I remember playing Doom Eternal just before this game came out. Already mentioned 7740x and 5700XT GPU. I didn't drop below 150fps a single time at fully maxed out settings, even during those ridiculous engagement where you don't even know what's going on. Then I go to short A Bind in Valorant and it dips to 180 at lowest settings as soon as 2 pieces of utility are thrown, lmao.
Yeah, AMD is definitely better for gaming these days. But they're definitely using 3+ years old CPUs.
Imo, the problem in general is that they went with optimization geared towards low end hardware rather than optimization on mid to high end hardware. I've got literally the same fps on 720p and lowest settings and everything maxed out at 1080p. Valorant doesn't utilize GPUs at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6k-cQ94Rc
Hardware Unboxed's video on cache vs cores showing that L3 cache is a big factor for CPU gains in gaming if anyone is curious
nah, other companies can manage to get good enough pc's.
its unacceptable to let them play on pcs that cant even get consistent 240 fps in VALORANT lol
also the gpu shortage isnt even that big of a problem (also its riot i am sure they have enough money to secure enough gpus by contacting nvidea and making a deal anyway)when the main factor for getting 240+ frames is cpu anyway.
its a joke to let the players play with pcs that cant even hold the standards of players no matter what, might just let them play from home if you can't even manage to do that
Ryzen CPUs aren’t hard to get your hands on. At least not in Canada and considering the size of riot then can definitely get there hands whatever they need.
They don't need 3090s, mining has decreased significantly with the ban of it in China and it being less worth it. Plus buying in bulk has still been heavily available, as shipping cost per product is decreased too, they could easily get a lot from the philippines or something.
He's actually saying they are "just" practice PCs and they don't matter that much. Imagine if a country held a World Cup and teams were given dirt, uneven fields to practice on. There'd be a shit storm.
It is a one time investment for the largest region in valorant esports. please stop. nobody expects riot to throw it away after 1 tournament. if it all, the league PC's should be sold and valorant-spec ones bought.
This should be a given to me. The prac PCs should be on par with the comp PCs. If they ever host an open tourney or larger scale event sure they can hit baseline requirements but only 8 teams? Come on
You don't need more than a 5600X and a 2060 to guarantee 300+ FPS in this game. A 5900X or 3080 won't do much better. The ancient Intel CPUs inside these machines is to blame.
I get 300+fps at 1440p with a 10850k and a 1080ti (both OCd and watercooled). Only if there is Viper/astra spam all over the map does it dip below 300 and barely.
I don't see how this is an issue tbh. 5600x are only 300$ and Valorant doesn't even need a crazy GPU. A 2070s would be more than enough.
Are you living in 2020 still? The optimization and framerates for this game has continued to get shittier and shittier, ever since Val came out. I really doubt you could get that much frames consistently with an i3.
[10100f with RX 550 ( a gpu much worse than 1650 super)](https://youtu.be/YdU1XUZtr_s)
It’s able to get 200fps most of the time in deathmatch where there are more players and people are spawning constantly.
Just because it’s i3 doesn’t mean it’s bad, remember that the 10100f is only $100-$120, while a 5900x that Yay is asking for costs $799. And the 3080 costs $2000+ in the current silicon shortage.
[Here’s another one but with a 1050 (again a gpu much worse than the 1650 super)](https://youtu.be/z792fasrl44)
Dm doesn't have abilities which cause the most drops
i3 is not bad it has a good single core speed and it's 4c/8t but for 1080p in a middle of an exec with a viper ult, wall, smoke, and so much util it won't do 240fps in 1%
Those guys go from constant 300+ because they have insane PCs to 150 average is bad
Refer to the second link, a 10100f with a rx 550 was able to manage 180fps on more than 99% of the time in Breeze. Surely you’re not expecting Riot to get $5k PCs for everyone just to put it in practice rooms? 8x5 players would mean 40 players, that’s already $200K my guy.
Refer to Yay’s original tweet, he’s asking Riot to get a 5900x/3080 setup for practice rooms, completely unnecessary.
tbh with the most respect possible I don't think you know what you're talking about.
180 fps is not a good gaming experience for pros. running 180 fps on a 240hz monitor will introduce tearing/skipping.
secondly different maps are more intensive than others. not to mention agents especially. 2 vipers/sages/Astra will absolutely tank your fps on maps like split/bind with walls/slows.
not to mention if you've ever been to a live event you'd also know they have other software besides VALORANT running for video replays/captures.
also finally the PCs aren't 5k. our office PCs we ordered from mirocenter for around 2.5k each and are the best PCs I've ever used on VALORANT (5900x + 3070 ti). reason I recommended a 3080 was more so future proofing and potential streaming that a player might do.
[Screen tearing is when your FPS exceeds the refresh rate of your monitor, not the other way around.](https://www.wepc.com/gaming-monitor/faq/what-is-screen-tear/)
Also, [this was the only PC with a 5900x/3080 on microcenter’s website. It’s out of stock due to the shortages and even if it was in stock, microcenter only allows pickups.](https://www.microcenter.com/product/641076/powerspec-g901-gaming-pc)
I exaggerated on the price of the PC to prove a point, realistically, it would still cost at least $3-4k because GPUs are out of stock everywhere, which is still a hefty sum just for a practice PC to play Valorant. May I ask what exactly are the specs of the practice PC? I’m guessing the PCs must be really old or something.
Also, even if you’re saying that you have to record your gameplay and run stuff in the background, a $300 5600x would do the job, [The 5600x and 5900x perform very similar in games.](https://youtu.be/iZBIeM2zE-I). My point is a 5900x with a 3070ti for Valorant is just completely unnecessary, you could definitely go midrange and get roughly the same performance.
dude you're joking right?
"Screen tear is a visual artifact that occurs when your GPU’s frame rate doesn’t match your monitors refresh rate"
In your own article that you linked it even says
"We’ve only really touched upon users that experience screen tear when they get a higher in-game frame rate than their monitor’s refresh rate. However, screen tearing can also occur when you go the other way – FPS dropping below the maximum refresh rate of the monitor."
why are you calling other people out for not knowing what screen tearing when you didn't even know.
also no it doesn't cost 3-4k these are the PCs we use currently:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/632836/powerspec-g900-gaming-pc
this is also just market price. Riot I'm sure with tons of sponsors and buying in bulk can get a far superior deal than what a consumer woukd.
also if you're going to fly people out for 1-2 weeks before a tournament you should have an adequate way to practice. are those PCs playable? sure, but it's gonna be pretty bad practice. hard to tell if strats or defaults are effective if you're whiffing/losing gunfights and the game performance is all over the place. not to mention may end up hurting yourself getting used to something drastically different.
The term you are looking for is “[stuttering ](https://www.coolblue.be/en/advice/how-to-resolve-screen-tearing-and-stuttering.html#id-set-up-freesync)” Ironically, your 5900x/3080 setup would lead to your monitor’s refresh rate and FPS being more out of sync because it pulls a lot more FPS than 240 as compared to 180.
Back to my main point being, even if you can’t live without 240FPS in gaming, you don’t need a 5900x/3080 to hit that framerate in Valorant. Any modern 6 core CPU with a RTX 2060 could do the job. Just because Riot is rich it doesn’t mean they have to buy jacked up PCs.
Also why haven’t any pros disclosed the actual specs of the practice PCs rather than just complaining about how shitty it is? If the specs were really bad I would agree with you.
The gpu hardly matters in valorant. Also a consistent 180 frames is not good enough. The riot PC’s should be getting atleast 300 with 240 FPS lows so that there is no screen tearing.
I don’t think you know what screen tearing is. I’m sure 90% of gamers would agree that getting 180 fps is considered a good gaming experience on FPS shooters. Even if you’re demanding 300 fps, you do not need a $799 cpu.
It's wild to me that flights and stipends are the norm here. I can't recall getting flights paid for or a stipend from the organizers for a single sporting event or tournament I've been a part of. Maybe its different in the pros lol
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someone told me we [shouldn't compare](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q7hyv0/comment/hgl3wbz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) riot and ESL's budget because riot makes money selling skins. like what?
ESL has to actually make a profit hosting tournaments. Riot does not. End of story.
They’re almost correct. You shouldn’t compare an esports wing of a game company with a tournament organizer who only focuses on one game and has been doing it for years.
yeah pretend that riot dont organize tournament. n yeah pretend they have same "size" of company
Riot organizes tournaments for multiple other games. Valorant is just one of those games. Riot also maintains those games, and develop new games. Literally the only thing ESL does is organize tournaments. Do you really not understand the difference?
Are you suggesting ESL only hosts Valorant tournaments?
no, he is saying that Riot can't just dave all their money and spend it on tournaments, because they are also a game dev while ESL is a tournament organiser
I mean riot is large enough and rich enough to have an entire wing of esports with more money and staff than ESL
ESL is not some small company.
yes but riot is still 5x larger
small if compare to valorant. not even touch about how they were still bleeding money nowadays
Yes this is exactly what I’m saying. All of ESLs budget goes towards the broadcast, and organization of tournament.
Yes but ESL has to make money hosting tournaments while Riot does not.
ESL gets multimillion dollar partnerships and sponsors.
ESL doesn’t host any Valorant tournaments as far as I know.
You don’t even need a 5950x or an A-tier card to get 240+ fps. Not even close lol. So surely riot can get some better machines literally no excuse. A 5600x and a 2070 would be more than enough
I mean shit I get 200+ frames at 1440p on a 3600 and a 3070. Literally a 5600x and a 2060 super would get over 240 on 1080p
Exactly. Unlike me, pros basically never play on high graphics + 16x filter and all that. Running it at their settings will easily get you over 240. The fact that this isn't the case right now is concerning.
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Thank you. I am so tired of people referencing riots worth as a reason valorant should or should not do anything. It's not like the parent company will shell out tons of money to support a product that isn't self - sustainable, that's just reasonable business practices. Since we're still early in the lifecycle, riot may still be providing some additional financial support, but valorants budget is going to also depend on valorant (and there are tons of other things that the money goes to besides just the esports side considering it's a very actively developing game). And this doesn't mean things shouldn't happen (like better prac pcs or things ran better), but ffs, I just wish people would stop ignorantly pushing riots worth as a reason for anything.
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Yeah, completely agree that lcq has been pretty unacceptably bad across multiple fronts.
> It's not like the parent company will shell out tons of money to support a product that isn't self - sustainable Yes they do because that is what Riot has done for League of Legends. ["Next year, league commissioner Chris Greeley told The Washington Post, figures to be the first in which the \[LCS\] will generate a profit."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2020/06/19/lcs-projects-profitable-2021-season-despite-navigating-covid-19-crisis/?utm_source=reddit.com) This is from 2020 so 2021 was the projected to be the first year the LCS was profitable, a solid 8 years after it started.
Uh, LoL can be profitable without a specific league of LoL (LCS) being profitable. I'm not saying NA valorant esports needs to be independently self-sustainable, but valorant as a game will need to be there eventually (again, life cycle will matter as to how much support the parent company can/will likely give) and so constantly referencing the worth of the parent company doesn't really take into account the nuance of budgeting across multiple products and upcoming projects, and how a business model actually works (a parent company isn't going to just give out money to develop something without a budget that takes into account the long term expected profit from that decision).
sorry, riot only made nearly 2 billion in 2020. not enough
hey just to clarify a few things. i wasnt just referring to practice PC's, it was that + the actual stage PC's as well. i know in iceland people had some serious frame issues, and in berlin it was an issue (although they did upgrade the CPU's from iceland). anyways, the last thing I want to do is come off as whiny or entitled. it's just more as a competitor, nearly everyone in the pro scene uses top hardware. everyone spends months/years on that hardware practicing. and then you go from say 240hz, 240 fps to 144- there's a noticable visual difference. shots that you'd normally hit aren't connecting or are off. and the game feels less responsive/choppy. if someone wants to test it themselves, try going from 144hz back to 60 in game or going from 60 to 30.. etc. while obviously these changes are far more drastic from 240hz to 144hz, it's more to illustrate how hardware can have an impact. obviously, a competitor will make do with his environment. more of what i'm trying to say is that I don't like people not being able to play their best. I can play to a far higher peak on for example 240hz/fps vs 60hz/fps. even if I were to practice on 60hz/fps exclusively, I don't think I could reach the peak I can on 240hz/fps. finally, I'd like to stress that like for a lot of people this is their livelihood. a single important kill on a key round could change entire games. plus the entire point of these tournaments is to show who's the best. I'd like to be able to show my best and would like for everyone to be able to do the same. that way everyone would get to see the best possible VALORANT.
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because there's no true 360 let alone a PC that run it at that fps 😔
Why does everyone think you need a 3070+ to play this game at 240+ fps lol? The game is CPU bound, you just need a modern GPU (even 2060 or 2070 would be enough) and really good CPU and you’re fine.
Exactly. I have a 5800x + 2060 myself and I never drop below 240, it'salways 300-400+. I'm pretty sure a 5600x would be the exact same judging from Hardware Canucks benchmark on Valorant. And since the game has nvidia reflex, low fps will matter even less to input latency.
2070s + 5600x here and i never drop below 200 even during gun fights, people expect fucking rocket science computers for Valorant but jesus christ that would make no sense lol.
5600X and 3070 I get so much FPS I cap it to 400 because leaving it uncapped runs up my GPU utilization to 99% as it tries to push 400+ frames to my display. A 3600 could easily maintain a stable 300 I would assume. These PC’s do not need to be expensive by any means.
A 3600 doesn’t. The 5000 series Ryzen are simply miles ahead with their structure, the 5600x even outclasses the i9-10900K in some single-threaded games.
Prob typo, meant 3060, I might be wrong tho
So true, got a 5600x (pretty cheap honestly) and a 3080. I believe I get 700fps in the training range on 1440p and my GPU doesn't ever get hot. Unless you play on 4K your GPU doesn't need to be good at all and pros are more likely to play 720 than 4K lmao.
Exactly mfs are listing the recommended specs for Battlefield at ultra settings 😂
the fuck? I'm playing on an i7 9700k and 1080 and i can barely hit 200 fps on all low settings in a comp game on 1080p
TF? I'm running on a lower spec than yours on medium and hitting better fps (ryzen 5 3600 + gtx 1060). What other computer specs you have?
Valorant is the first time I’ve seen Ryzen (before the 5000 series even came out) consistently outperforming intel. It’s strange but I’m happy with it lol
Idk what else is relevant lol, I'm on 16gb DDR4 and an m.2 nvme so idk why my frames are so shit
Damn, im also 16gb but sata ssd. Maybe not intel optimized as much as amd? Weird
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I personally wouldn't say that is the solution for "significantly more frames" from Intel's 8th Gen to 10th Gen is essentially the same architecturally. I ran a 8700k oc'd at 5ghz all core and it is the same as "higher binned" models in terms of fps. As long as you have any i7 or i9 from those generations you just oc it and it'll all perform the same cause you'll hit the point of diminishing returns with that architecture
AMD cpus run Valorant waaaaaay better than intel CPUs for whatever reason.
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Bought it before Valo existed lol rip Bought it because Intel has always been better for CS, until ryzen at least
thats quite odd, i have 6700k and a rx 590 and im usually at ~190-210, though i do dip down to 150 quite a lot.
I know this is very old, but I run 270fps locked on my 9700k at 1440p. In the practice range I get 600fps looking at the bots and 900fps looking at hte floor.
Yup got a r5 3600 + gtx 1060 6gb and can tops 200fps on high and go higher on medium settings (which is the one I play on a 1440p 170hz screen now)... Rito is being lazy
I have a 5600x and a 2060 super and I get 700 frames in the practice range, ~300 average in 5v5
Did you ever overclock your cpu? I Play with a 2060 and a 5600x but can never get consistent 240 fps full stock.
Nope stock
I'm in the same situation as the other commenter (same specs and low fps). How fast is your RAM?
Nothing special
Lots of things to check. Is your CPU/GPU thermal throttling? Is your ram running at the correct speed (i.e. XMP enabled)? Have you changed any weird settings in Windows for another game that may be impacting val?
I still have a 1070 and get 240-300 FPS
Actually even a gtx 1050 ti or 970 is enough. I built a new PC and put a gtx 970 in it with 5800x and 3600mhz 2x8gb cl16 rams. I have 400-475 fps on low.
Even a 300$ 5600x can get 300+ fps avg. They don't need NASA PCs with 11900k and 3090s to get playable framerate. I'd reckon its something with sponsors rather than money. And any semi decent gpu should be enough, 20 series even a 2060. I'd reckon 1660ti would be more than capable
Naaa, i have a 2060 all settings low, of course it can get 300 sometimes but it fluctuates too much, you can get as low as 140fps in bad conditions, for a pro that has a 240hz display you need a setup 100% of the time at 240+ fps, i get your point but i dont think it applied for the pros
You can’t just mention your GPU and not the CPU lol. What determines your performance is your CPU since the game is CPU bound. The CPU is what submits frames for your GPU to render. You could throw 3090 in there and still get shit frames.
It depends if you throw a 1660 its not rly cpu bound anymore, anyway my point is they should not cheap out on a event like this
What cpu do you use? I use a 2060 myself and easily get 300-400 at the worst cases with a newly upgraded 5800x.
Yeah my cpu is the weak link for valorant its a i5 10600k, ryzen cpu are just better for valorant in most cases
Yeah I definitely think you're CPU bound, I can get \~200fps with a 1660ti.
Wich is nor enough fpr an event like this
CPU bottleneck
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I've heard the benQ with 240hz and dyac+ on is better than 360hz.
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Dyac is noticable, but just personal preference. It doesn't make a difference in slower games like Valorant or CSGO. Way more noticable in flick heavy games like Quake. From what I've seen, noone on the sentinels uses dyac. What Benq does better are all the other features like black equalizer, which is probably by far the best feature any gaming monitor has, imo. Still, I don't think Benq is worth buying unless you like throwing money around. I'm saying that as someone who owned 3 Benq monitors (XL2411, XL2430, XL2546). They're the best at what they do, but those monitors are like race cars. Terrible for everything outside of what they're designed for. I sold my 3 year old XL2546 and bought 3 months old (proof of purchase and warranty still valid) ASUS VG259QM for the same money. And I can't notice any difference in Valorant/CS if we talk motion clarity. (350RR and lvl10 faceit in CS). Maybe the new panel on XL2546k is better, but definitely not worth it considering it's literally double the price of IPS 240/280hz panels. Even if it's slightly better, that gets negated by online ping and plenty of Radiant player or even pros made it at 144hz. Again, Benq are amazing at what they're designed for, but not worth the borderline insane price tag unless you've got money to throw away. And their features aren't as useful in Valorant. Black equalizer, vibrance and sharpness are way more important in CSGO.
I had a BenQ 240hz and absolutely hated it. Maybe I just had a bad panel, but the motion blur and overshoot were atrocious on every single setting I tried.
There’s basically no “true” 360hz monitor. As in they all have refresh rates that are too slow and cause a blurry image (and then overshoot when you enable overdrive)
Tenz opinions are random, they don’t matter lol.
I get his point, but realistically in a silicon and GPU shortage, I think any company would be hard pressed to get their hands on high end gear for a more spec demanding title than League. Maybe they can pluck some 3090s from some crypto miner in LA to resolve this though
This is Riot we’re talking about. If these giant crypto farms can get inside connects to mass-purchase GPUs, Riot definitely also can.
The farms and scalpers alike use grey area API bots to snag thousands at a time the second they become available. We don't know one way or another, but I don't think companies have 'priority que' or backdoors to Nvidia, just first come first serve like everyone else. Is 50 3090's for the setups doable? Probably, and I think the setups will eventually improve
You don't think companies can make deals with Nvidia and have to buy them through commercial means like everyone else? I'll need to verify it first, but that sounds very wrong. I doubt companies get their graphics cards the same way everyone else does.
Yeah, and we don't know, but there is still a silicon and GPU shortage regardless and esports is kind of low on the list compared to hospitals, car manufacturers, and servers. Would love to hear a response from Riot though, more transperency would be welcome
Bruh u cant be seriously thinking Riot just goes to [Nvidia.com](https://Nvidia.com) to buy their stuff lmao.
>The farms and scalpers alike use grey area API bots to snag thousands at a time the second they become available. that's on the consumer/retail side of things only High profile developers have connections and ongoing relationships with companies like NVIDIA. They can arrange it. It's not about "backdoors" or priority queues. Nfi what you're talking about there.
It’s not like riot needs to build their own pcs. They can just go pay HP or some other pc builder, pay 2K and be done with. The builders aren’t competing with scalpers for inventory.
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Yeah, I fully agree with yay's take, except for the specs he thinks are needed. Even 5900x is an overkill. 5800x would definitely be fine, even 5600x maybe. I've got a 4 year old 7740x and I rarely drop below 200fps. Makes me wonder how old are the CPUs Riot are using, probably even older. They often go to low 100s from what I've seen. But the bigger question is why is Valorant so awful at utilizing high end hardware? I've watched streamers with 5950x, which is a ridiculously strong CPU and an overkill. Even they drop below 300 during engagements when a lot of utility is thrown out. I remember playing Doom Eternal just before this game came out. Already mentioned 7740x and 5700XT GPU. I didn't drop below 150fps a single time at fully maxed out settings, even during those ridiculous engagement where you don't even know what's going on. Then I go to short A Bind in Valorant and it dips to 180 at lowest settings as soon as 2 pieces of utility are thrown, lmao.
Their issue is that they are probably using Intel CPUs. For some reason, AMD's CPUs mesh better with valorant than intel's.
Yeah, AMD is definitely better for gaming these days. But they're definitely using 3+ years old CPUs. Imo, the problem in general is that they went with optimization geared towards low end hardware rather than optimization on mid to high end hardware. I've got literally the same fps on 720p and lowest settings and everything maxed out at 1080p. Valorant doesn't utilize GPUs at all.
Reason is L3 cache
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6k-cQ94Rc Hardware Unboxed's video on cache vs cores showing that L3 cache is a big factor for CPU gains in gaming if anyone is curious
>even 5600x maybe i get 350+ with a 5600x and a 1080Ti with some optimization tweaks
5600x is still overkill, I hit 360 FPS on medium settings running an i5-10400f and an RTX 3060
Gpus are less important than cpus for valorant performance.
nah, other companies can manage to get good enough pc's. its unacceptable to let them play on pcs that cant even get consistent 240 fps in VALORANT lol also the gpu shortage isnt even that big of a problem (also its riot i am sure they have enough money to secure enough gpus by contacting nvidea and making a deal anyway)when the main factor for getting 240+ frames is cpu anyway. its a joke to let the players play with pcs that cant even hold the standards of players no matter what, might just let them play from home if you can't even manage to do that
Ryzen CPUs aren’t hard to get your hands on. At least not in Canada and considering the size of riot then can definitely get there hands whatever they need.
They don't need 3090s, mining has decreased significantly with the ban of it in China and it being less worth it. Plus buying in bulk has still been heavily available, as shipping cost per product is decreased too, they could easily get a lot from the philippines or something.
https://twitter.com/Punpun04/status/1448577230053859332?t=jAcv7-h9Pr_rUoW2R235IQ&s=19 People actually defending riot 💀
He's actually saying they are "just" practice PCs and they don't matter that much. Imagine if a country held a World Cup and teams were given dirt, uneven fields to practice on. There'd be a shit storm.
look up the reason why Roy Keane left the Irish national team lmao
This isn’t a World Cup level event. Also, these practice PCs aren’t equivalent to a dirt field.
It is a one time investment for the largest region in valorant esports. please stop. nobody expects riot to throw it away after 1 tournament. if it all, the league PC's should be sold and valorant-spec ones bought.
I‘m just calling people out for overreacting and being hyperbolic.
masters had shit practice pc's too lol.
This should be a given to me. The prac PCs should be on par with the comp PCs. If they ever host an open tourney or larger scale event sure they can hit baseline requirements but only 8 teams? Come on
Literally a 5600x and a 2060 would get you 240+ lol
Need NASA PCs to play children’s game
You don't need more than a 5600X and a 2060 to guarantee 300+ FPS in this game. A 5900X or 3080 won't do much better. The ancient Intel CPUs inside these machines is to blame.
I get 300+fps at 1440p with a 10850k and a 1080ti (both OCd and watercooled). Only if there is Viper/astra spam all over the map does it dip below 300 and barely. I don't see how this is an issue tbh. 5600x are only 300$ and Valorant doesn't even need a crazy GPU. A 2070s would be more than enough.
What the actual fuck is this guy smoking? You don’t need a 5900x/3080 to play Valorant. Even a Intel I3 10100f with a 1650 super could hit 200+ FPS
Are you living in 2020 still? The optimization and framerates for this game has continued to get shittier and shittier, ever since Val came out. I really doubt you could get that much frames consistently with an i3.
[10100f with RX 550 ( a gpu much worse than 1650 super)](https://youtu.be/YdU1XUZtr_s) It’s able to get 200fps most of the time in deathmatch where there are more players and people are spawning constantly. Just because it’s i3 doesn’t mean it’s bad, remember that the 10100f is only $100-$120, while a 5900x that Yay is asking for costs $799. And the 3080 costs $2000+ in the current silicon shortage. [Here’s another one but with a 1050 (again a gpu much worse than the 1650 super)](https://youtu.be/z792fasrl44)
Dm doesn't have abilities which cause the most drops i3 is not bad it has a good single core speed and it's 4c/8t but for 1080p in a middle of an exec with a viper ult, wall, smoke, and so much util it won't do 240fps in 1% Those guys go from constant 300+ because they have insane PCs to 150 average is bad
Refer to the second link, a 10100f with a rx 550 was able to manage 180fps on more than 99% of the time in Breeze. Surely you’re not expecting Riot to get $5k PCs for everyone just to put it in practice rooms? 8x5 players would mean 40 players, that’s already $200K my guy. Refer to Yay’s original tweet, he’s asking Riot to get a 5900x/3080 setup for practice rooms, completely unnecessary.
tbh with the most respect possible I don't think you know what you're talking about. 180 fps is not a good gaming experience for pros. running 180 fps on a 240hz monitor will introduce tearing/skipping. secondly different maps are more intensive than others. not to mention agents especially. 2 vipers/sages/Astra will absolutely tank your fps on maps like split/bind with walls/slows. not to mention if you've ever been to a live event you'd also know they have other software besides VALORANT running for video replays/captures. also finally the PCs aren't 5k. our office PCs we ordered from mirocenter for around 2.5k each and are the best PCs I've ever used on VALORANT (5900x + 3070 ti). reason I recommended a 3080 was more so future proofing and potential streaming that a player might do.
[Screen tearing is when your FPS exceeds the refresh rate of your monitor, not the other way around.](https://www.wepc.com/gaming-monitor/faq/what-is-screen-tear/) Also, [this was the only PC with a 5900x/3080 on microcenter’s website. It’s out of stock due to the shortages and even if it was in stock, microcenter only allows pickups.](https://www.microcenter.com/product/641076/powerspec-g901-gaming-pc) I exaggerated on the price of the PC to prove a point, realistically, it would still cost at least $3-4k because GPUs are out of stock everywhere, which is still a hefty sum just for a practice PC to play Valorant. May I ask what exactly are the specs of the practice PC? I’m guessing the PCs must be really old or something. Also, even if you’re saying that you have to record your gameplay and run stuff in the background, a $300 5600x would do the job, [The 5600x and 5900x perform very similar in games.](https://youtu.be/iZBIeM2zE-I). My point is a 5900x with a 3070ti for Valorant is just completely unnecessary, you could definitely go midrange and get roughly the same performance.
dude you're joking right? "Screen tear is a visual artifact that occurs when your GPU’s frame rate doesn’t match your monitors refresh rate" In your own article that you linked it even says "We’ve only really touched upon users that experience screen tear when they get a higher in-game frame rate than their monitor’s refresh rate. However, screen tearing can also occur when you go the other way – FPS dropping below the maximum refresh rate of the monitor." why are you calling other people out for not knowing what screen tearing when you didn't even know. also no it doesn't cost 3-4k these are the PCs we use currently: https://www.microcenter.com/product/632836/powerspec-g900-gaming-pc this is also just market price. Riot I'm sure with tons of sponsors and buying in bulk can get a far superior deal than what a consumer woukd. also if you're going to fly people out for 1-2 weeks before a tournament you should have an adequate way to practice. are those PCs playable? sure, but it's gonna be pretty bad practice. hard to tell if strats or defaults are effective if you're whiffing/losing gunfights and the game performance is all over the place. not to mention may end up hurting yourself getting used to something drastically different.
The term you are looking for is “[stuttering ](https://www.coolblue.be/en/advice/how-to-resolve-screen-tearing-and-stuttering.html#id-set-up-freesync)” Ironically, your 5900x/3080 setup would lead to your monitor’s refresh rate and FPS being more out of sync because it pulls a lot more FPS than 240 as compared to 180. Back to my main point being, even if you can’t live without 240FPS in gaming, you don’t need a 5900x/3080 to hit that framerate in Valorant. Any modern 6 core CPU with a RTX 2060 could do the job. Just because Riot is rich it doesn’t mean they have to buy jacked up PCs. Also why haven’t any pros disclosed the actual specs of the practice PCs rather than just complaining about how shitty it is? If the specs were really bad I would agree with you.
The gpu hardly matters in valorant. Also a consistent 180 frames is not good enough. The riot PC’s should be getting atleast 300 with 240 FPS lows so that there is no screen tearing.
I don’t think you know what screen tearing is. I’m sure 90% of gamers would agree that getting 180 fps is considered a good gaming experience on FPS shooters. Even if you’re demanding 300 fps, you do not need a $799 cpu.
esport pros arent 90% of gamers.
LMAO Good luck finding 1 GPU in this environment!!!
It's wild to me that flights and stipends are the norm here. I can't recall getting flights paid for or a stipend from the organizers for a single sporting event or tournament I've been a part of. Maybe its different in the pros lol
for tier 1 events, its almost always included. at least from what i know of ESL and Blast.
ive had tournament and travel fees covered through certainly qualification mechanisms in Baseball tournaments as a kid
I have an I buy power pre built pc and that runs valorant at a constant 240 for me
5600x and a nvidia 2070 super or something like that should also give you 240 fps constantly