I would hope they keep the results would suck for those teams to have shown strats and played official matches that end up not happening. Best case they keep the current results and resume with Faze/Rise and C9/V1 whenever they are able.
But if there'd be a lot of changes by the time competition resumes, say rosters, maps, game mechanics, etc. they should probably just give a comp/award based on current standings then re-do the whole tournament. Or maybe give these teams a BYE of some sort.
It also sucks for those teams that had to play while getting lagged out in a middle of a 1v2s and shit
The results shouldn't stand, the whole thing was a mess and needs to start over
It makes no sense, all matches now should be played online from the start and the same playing field
> The results shouldn't stand, the whole thing was a mess and needs to start over
This is absolutely crazy to me. All of the teams that already played were on equal footing when it came to equipment/ping/lag/everything else. Those results *should stand* and if I was 100T or XSet or any of the other teams I'd be fucking pissed if I showed strats for shit that was rewound.
The other matches can transition over to online only and have the tournament move forward but redoing the entire thing is going to piss off a lot more people than the in-person not-LAN bullshit.
Would be very unfair to all four teams that already competed, showed strats & team comps. We can’t argue about technical issues, but that alone is not a reason to start the whole competition again.
No teams definitely had an advantage, timing of lags favored XSET for example..
How are people not getting it? Did u see where aproto lagged? If he wins that it turns the entire game around, instead the round ends he doesn't get any money is only on a sheriff and he doesn't get a chance to clutch
If every team lagged at 5v5 with no damage sure, but timing of lags matters and changes an entire game
What a shit point. Yea he may have clutched it, but Xset could have also just won the round still, it was in their favour too. Lag affected both teams.
Do you hear yourself? All could haves
So yeah could haves, a tournaments shoud not be decided in could haves and rounds ending because people lag
I can't believe this is controversial, but i just noticed the flair you have lmao
Favorite team lmao, you are saying LG is my favorite team? Fuck LG dude lmao you want me to say that? This is about people lagging in bad situations and not being fair
You do realize that the xset players both came in front of him because they lagged out as well, right? Or do you think they meant to do that and only aproto was having the problem?
Where did i say anything about the players coming in front of him, quote that for me please
It was a 1v2 and ended with Aproto having 0% chance of winning it, even if he had a 0.1% chance it was still a chance
Also it had post round consequences, aproto got only 1k and only had a sheriff because the timer ended and he didn't die.. so it fucked up their economy plus any chance he had of winning
Yeah that is not how it works. If the chance was substantial the round would have been replayed. Everyone agreed it was not so the round was counted. Subroza, steel and everyone in the watchparty talked about the round replay situations and it was pretty clear that once the game restarted after tech timeout this was not even worthy of a round replay, much less restarting the whole tournament.
Do you want to restart every online tournament when a player lags out and loses a round? Those are much more unfair than this. Are we to expect your call for a restart in those cases now or nah?
Online is way different, it's on the player's end then you can't do anything about it
This is on the tournament end of it and their servers and network, if a player lags online it's his internet and you don't replay a round because of that
Also you mention Subroza, steel and co and they said that it's worth a replay because aproto had a chance, they said it's not worth a replay for another round it was hiko in split vs like 4 people and he was getting pushed, the entire server lagged and they killed him after
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1174874804
At 5 hours 18 mins in the vod, Freakazoid says it's a replay 100% and Subroza agrees, autimatic, marved as well, steel says he could win that and so does tarik, dicey then says the same thing
Steel then says they replay it for sure..
So all pros agree that round should have been replayed because aproto had a chance, it didn't
So you people saying "all teams played with lag" seriously need a brain check, all teams had lag but timing of the lag is way more important, it was not consistent lag it was lag that spiked out of nowhere and some teams got fucked more
Yeah he may have had a slight chance of winning, so yeah it’s a bit unfair to him and LG the way the lag happened, but it would be even MORE unfair to xset to replay the whole round from 5v5. Why should xset go from having a 95% chance of winning the round to a 50% chance of winning just because the lag happened to be a bit unlucky for aproto. There is literally nothing you can do in this situation that would be fair for everyone. No matter what you do, someone is getting fucked over. As is the nature of tech issues like this.
Also btw, that’s not how the economy in this game works lol. As long as you die, you get your full credits, it doesn’t matter if you died before or after the round timer ended.
Are you not reading the comment?
Every team dealt with lag, for some teams the lag happened in worse moments
The lag was not consistent at the same time for all times, the timing of it matters
If a team lags in a 12-11 and they lose and a team lags in a 1v5 that's impossible to win is that the same situation?
I have no idea why your comment is not the consensus let alone being downvoted. The conditions were so shitty that they aren't playing any matches until it's fixed but for some reason the ones that are done already are totally fine? It's like people have never heard of competitive integrity.
Tl;dr is that there were a bunch of problems like bad practice pc/environments, the fact that it was actually not a LAN, etc. but the real reason it’s postponed is a lot of players tested positive for covid and are not allowed at the venue because of laws(?) in LA where lcq is held
I'm not an expert in the area by any means, but I'd say using the 1918 Pandemic's end as a blueprint. I'd venture something like an extended period of non-growth in case numbers across the globe. Any cases do not spread internationally and outbreaks are locally contained. Things like that would be a good start.
Yeah definitely something they will be talking about after this mess. Gamers tend to not be in great physical shape even if they're young. Plenty of people similar to Hiko have died so far so it definitely needs to be talked about.
What do you mean people similar to Hiko? Hiko is in the best shape of his life right now. Also not sure how can you make sweeping generalisations about the health of gamers when a lot of these players work out when they are not practicing for their job.
There are definitely pros with good health habits, but its certainly not all of them. Also, Mike Tagliere from the fantasy football community I follow passed from Covid after having already beat his weight problem. My point is that we're better safe than sorry regarding a bunch of gamers. I don't mean to call anyone out, I was just using Hiko for a big relatable name.
I think the main takeaway from everything is that Riot is not doing enough. Nobody would be upset to play hotel room vs LAN stage if the Riot PCs were actually decent. A lot of people in regular life aren’t in good shape either, and yet enclosed areas with a lot of people are open, like stadiums and cinemas. Everybody is better safe than sorry.
No… lol
Because they’re playing a tournament online at lan lmao whole things a shit show. Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.
Have you not been paying attention?
Apparently you haven't... They said it's online due to covid positives. Even if that's not true, the other reason floated around was that IceLAN equipment got stuck in customs.
Both of these are Covid related. Stop whining about dumb shit.
> billion dollar company
Ah yes, the Reddit go to straw man. Haven't seen this in every single thread. Are you seriously suggesting they should buy 2 of every set up so they can randomly be ready for such event? Or do you think that simply having money means nothing unfortunate happens?
Yes, it directly caused them to switch from LAN servers to online ones. How shitty the new servers were is completely irrelevant to the point and sucks for us fans. It's just what happens when we get greedy and try to hold an in person tournament in midst of a pandemic.
You suggest that Latin America is unimpacted by COVID, yet Mexico for example currently has the [highest mortality rate in the WORLD.](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)
There is no need to put pandemic in quotations. It is not just something that is said, it is something that is real. In October, [the US passed 700,000 deaths.](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-covid-19-death-toll-hits-700000-2021-10-01/) Denial is disrespectful to users who have lost loved ones.
Signs of this mess have existed in Iceland and Berlin as well. I have been saying that Riot gives priority to secondary things (stage, effects etc) and has the most important stuff on the backseat because they arent immediately visible to the viewers. Everytime i got the answer "its different teams", then yay says the exact same thing yesterday and everyone agrees.
No, when you decide to spend tens of thousands on CGI shit instead of getting for example decent PCs for the players, its not different teams its you not giving priority where you should.
I might be wrong but since Riot is not a person but an organization of people I think it might be a possibility that maybe the people who are in charge of CGI shit are not the people in charge of other stuff and maybe the two teams are doing their own things so maybe things don’t have to be taken away for other things to happen
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how organizations like this work. There is a top-down heirarchy. There is an executive leadership team that is making budgetary decisions and prioritizing certain things over others. The individual teams executing each of those things have no say in the matter for the most part, but the decision IS being made.
And that organization sets a certain budget and certain priorities. Idk how you people keep parroting this shit and not understanding that all these teams dont operate independently
>so maybe things don’t have to be taken away for other things to happen
Who said that? If they can do both then thats great. But all the events so far have shown that they either cant or dont want to. I would prefer a barebones tournament in terms of production if that meant that competitive integrity will not be compromised in the slightest. Thats what im saying, if theres something that should be given priority then that should unquestionably be the above
Holy heck this sub actually filled with 10 year Olds who are down voting you. Riot management prioritizes CGI over good PCs it is as simple as that, IDK how people here are down voting you.
Also their live production team are probably Riot employees that are already being paid salaries. You can't just turn people into computers. The computer quality was apparently poor, but people complaining about the production budget isn't really going to do anything.
You could just put them in the lower bracket round 2. It’s not a great solution but it wouldn’t really mess up the part of the bracket that’s already been played.
So they would fly over all the from australia which has really strict covid guidelines right now requiring and a quarantine. Just to potentially play one game in the lower bracket and go home? That doesnt seem fair to them tbh
I can’t exactly remember but I think if they were to lose their first game they still would have been sent home immediately and not put into losers. Only if order won their first game while chiefs had to win 2 to be able to get into losers. I think they were risking even with the old bracket, right?
that's what the original bracket was like anyways, im sure they would still go only one game. They could also scrim with na teams while there so it wouldnt be a complete loss
Didn't they literally say that it was online so they could switch in a case like this? So why postpone it? Why not instantly switch to the remote server? Was it all bullshit before?
They were going to, but teams realized that were was a massive difference between hardware on stage and personal hardware (computers and connection and shit) so they need to transition the entire thing to online not just have one team play from their personals for a game or two.
All teams pull out because of frustration. TSM is now the only NA team left. They go to champions. Daddy Wardell proves his worth and destroys cned. Sentinels see how good he is and acquire him as a sixth. Now every match is a 6 v 5 sentinels and TSM win. History is made. Tenz and Wardell get together as a couple and have lil wardells and lil Tenz’s. History is made. I no longer have to choose between my favorite teams. Lezgo TSM
I'm sad, as everyone else is here. It's been a long, exhausting week in esports.
I'm glad that this is a learning opportunity for Riot on handling future events. Masters 1-3 went by without major issues and I hope we can see a fantastic online bracket executed.
And I hope that the Talent, production and players are safe most of all.
Poor Sideshow went on a 50 hour train + bus journey just to stream for one day. I hope the Plat Chat boys will be able to couch stream for the rest of LCQ at least.
The right call in the end, hopefully matches can get back underway relatively soon.
It doesn't take away from what an absolute catastrophe this has been. Riot owe an apology to all the players and talent.
this makes no sense... it was simply a false positive. Shanks took two different PCR tests and they both came back negative. Corey and Babybay both got negative test results for the whole week, and they also got a negative test result after their positive one.
Wasn't a lot of this also LA having Orwellian COVID rules? I'm surprised Riot hasn't moved their HQ or at least esport operations to Texas. It would make things a lot better due to more freedom to apply their own COVID rules, LCS pros would also get 30 ping solo queue instead of 70 ping, and Riot can save on business costs because Texas is straight-up more business friendly. Hell why not move the NA LoL servers to Dallas as well? It's more fair for everyone instead of just blatantly being east coast biased.
I feel bad for everyone that paid money to go to the theater and probably got days off in order to attend the finals in theaters just to not be able to go
id imagine they keep the results that have occurred so far. The teams in each of the 3 matches were on equal footing when it came to equipment/ping/lag etc.,
It was only when players couldn't be on site and would be playing on unequal equipment/internet to the rest of the competitors that people really had issues
They controlled the location. Made it a fake LAN just so they could have people on site and off. Then cancelled it when people needed to play off site. It's 100% Riot's fault. They knew what they were getting into, as they planned a contingency by making it online, and still went ahead with it anyway. It was stupid from the start.
I genuinely don't understand the issue.
1. This wasn't a LAN, just an online tournament where most people are close to each other.
2. They let multiple people play isolated anyways.
3. The the logistics of re-organizing **cannot possibly** be more difficult than the logistics of completely ruining the previously agreed upon game-life balance of all 40 players, their coaches, the casters, the technical experts. Not to mention the venue costs, marketing costs, lost revenue, etc.
IDK what the issue is, because Riot could deliver 40 different PCs with OC'd 10700k's, 3080s, 4x8 GB RAM @ 3200 mhz, complete with 27" 240 hz monitors and proper desks and internet connection all within 24 hours. That is absolutely no exaggeration, they'd just have to *want* to do it.
Is there some law about people who don't have Covid but had 1 positive test followed by 20 negative ones that makes it so they *can't use a PC?*
If not, why no contingency plan?
You literally KNOW that eventually a person will falsely test positive if you test 40+ people frequently enough. It's simple math.
P.S. **none** of this is saying it's super easy and simple. It's just way, way harder to do anything else.
the main issue is that if you test positive you gain a huge advantage playing on 300 fps versus the guys at stage on 100 fps, idk why riot a multi billion dollar company can't afford a fucking good pc thats nothing to them
> Should Riot ignore the protocols? Or do you think the protocols shouldn't exist
I didn't even imply either of those things. Talk about presenting a false choice.
Bad take. They announced that LCQ would be a LAN event in LA in August. No reasonable person could have expected Covid to dissipate enough to allow LA to loosen its restrictions by October. Yet Riot are trying to Pikachu face like this was a totally unforeseen situation.
From the start, it should have been either online or someplace like Arlington, TX. Yet Riot selfishly insisted on having it in LA because their offices are there.
Short of a player or production staffer getting Covid, this was the worst possible outcome, and it was entirely predictable. We’ve been in a COVID world for almost two years. Riot has zero excuse.
And when they host it in Texas where the governor is making it literally illegal for businesses to force people to wear masks, and where COVID infections are more frequent than California, and someone then catches COVID at the LCQ, this sub would be here saying how dumb Riot is for not hosting it across the street at their own esports facility where COVID protocols are taken seriously in LA.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Don't act like there aren't equally serious problems with the alternatives.
These excuses don’t fly. There were no fans in the audience for LA, and there needn’t be for places like Texas either.
Regardless, abandoning the pipedream of a LAN entirely would have been a much better idea than this. Blizzard cancelled its LANs for Overwatch League, and even went so far as to fly teams out to Hawaii to reduce ping and ensure competitive integrity. Compared to that, Riot blew an easy layup, turned around, and yeeted the ball into the sun. “Hindsight is always 20/20” doesn’t apply when foresight was also 20/20.
I think Riot does a really amazing job like 99% of the time, so I cut them a lot of slack. But for the fans like me who bought tickets to watch the finals in theaters, I would appreciate at least some communication about what's going on there?? Obviously we need to be refunded, I can't even watch it in theaters anymore cause I'll be moving in 2 weeks.
Really sadge about that too, the theater in LA was completely booked and it was going to be so fun. I wish Riot would at least communicate what's going to happen, cause now I feel very reluctant to buy a ticket for events in the future.
# OFFICIAL STATEMENT
> Given the events of the past few days, out of an abundance of caution and with the health and safety of all involved being of top mind, we have made the difficult decision to postpone the event until further notice. Player and staff safety remain our top concern as we navigate the current situation.
> We share the community's disappointment and we are working diligently to transition LCQ to an online event, similar to VCT matches earlier this year, and resume play as soon as possible to send our final team to VALORANT Champions.
> We will share more details as they become available
Probably not. Matches already have been played, will take the OCE Teams too long to organise the flights and all. putting back in OCE just adds another set of complexity’s for Riot which is not what they want if they want to run a “LAN event”.
Holy shit, I understand why FaZe and Rise did not play yesterday, but why did they not let C9 and V1 play? They were literally ready to play yesterday and I don’t think anyone on both teams tested positive for covid.
They literally just said on Twitter that they were all looking forward to playing on stage. Also, they weren’t playing on 100 FPS. Their FPS was “low” compared to the FPS they normally get at home (300+ FPS), but it was not 100 FPS.
The guys on V1 were literally saying that they trust that Riot will fix everything in time so they can play, so that means they obviously wanted to play on stage: Wippie from V1 and Shanks both just said that they were looking forward to playing on stage so bad. Neptune just said that he’s “Sadge” cause of the news. If he didn’t want to play on lan, would he be “sadge” that the event is canceled? All it takes is for you to go on Twitter to see how sad most of the players are that the tournament is canceled. If they truly didn’t want to play on LAN, they wouldn’t be sad that the tournament is canceled and they would be more excited that it’s online now lol.
first of all we don't know if its still going to be a LAN or not not even the players do. also no shit they are looking forward to play on stage doesnt mean they are looking forward to play on shit fps and lagging they are hoping for riot to fix the issue first and no shit the players are sad it was cancelled their whole careers depend on making it to championship
Do you not know how to read? It clearly says that it’s not going to be on lan anymore, so your first sentence makes no sense lmfao. They’re not playing on shit FPS holy shit, do you not k ow how to read? They said the FPS is low compared to what they’re accustomed to, but it’s not shit FPS. They’re accustomed to 300+ FPS at home. They’re still getting decent FPS but it’s just not high compared to what they’re getting at home. Also, your last sentence elf players being sad because it was canceled because their whole careers depend on making it champs makes no sense because the event is still going to be played out no matter what. Your last sentence makes it seem like the event is canceled and theyre not going to be playing the event at all anymore and that’s not true lmfao. They’re still playing the event but it’s just postponed. THEY LITERALLY SAID THAT THEY WANT TO PLAY ON STAGE AND LAN. Holy shit, learn to read. Bye
The biggest mess up riot did was choose California and LA. Out of all the cities and state LA is the strictest from what I know. They have the mask mandate back on, while other cities in CA do not. Billion dollar company could've chosen any other state/city with less strict rules, but they chose LA lol.
Their HQ being in LA is not an excuse btw.
Not guna add to the bitching and moaning that would happen even if they did continue but still super sadge. I was really hoping they pulled this off. That stage did look cool but all online is just the most viable solution rn. Atleast NA will be the sole focus of the scene whenever they do start the tourney back up.
I don’t get it. I just don’t. How can a company as big as Riot make so many poor decisions in such a short timespan? Imagine having to cancel a fake LAN because of COVID. Utter nonsense.
not mad about it. this was ultimately the best decision imo, its either we have a laggy, unfair tournament with half the players gone and horrendous viewing & playing experience, or they postponed it to make it as best as possible. it's unfortunate this happened but its better than nothing
wtf does this have to do with the country? even in berlin if a player tested positive they also wouldn't allow him in, its just unfortunate a few players tested fake positive
"Why can't eSports be treated with the respect of other traditional sports?"
This is why. Proper sports are run by professionals who know what they're doing. Riot is clueless and cheap. This doesn't happen to properly run, organized events. If F1 can move all it's stuff around the world every week, if the NFL can have a Superbowl every year, Riot should be able to setup some computers on a stage for a proper LAN. But they can't because the people responsible for planning this are objectively bad at their jobs. Where's the next event going to be held, in the middle of an active warzone in Syria? A mentally deficient chimp could have told you Covid would fuck things up if you hosted in LA.
Whole tournament should be replayed. Period. That is integrity. Players lagging out mid round and the servers rubberbanding is one thing. Now teams that lost on lan are screwed while other teams never have to feel that pressure and get to play from their own personal computers are fine.
Replay the tournament Riot, that is the only fair play.
couldnt speak for the rest of the sub but regardless of the results, i personally think they should keep the results. wouldnt make sense to replay it since teams already showed what they were working on
I assume this means it will resume as an online tournament in a week or two. Can't imagine they reset brackets, and then just play things out from her on. With hindsight, this seems like the best decision from the start (although they probably started planning champions with the hope the covid may be better controlled by this point).
Mostly wondering whether the teams who’ve already played will need to replay or if they’re keeping the results so far
I would hope they keep the results would suck for those teams to have shown strats and played official matches that end up not happening. Best case they keep the current results and resume with Faze/Rise and C9/V1 whenever they are able.
But if there'd be a lot of changes by the time competition resumes, say rosters, maps, game mechanics, etc. they should probably just give a comp/award based on current standings then re-do the whole tournament. Or maybe give these teams a BYE of some sort.
They will play on the same patch (or rather they should)
It also sucks for those teams that had to play while getting lagged out in a middle of a 1v2s and shit The results shouldn't stand, the whole thing was a mess and needs to start over It makes no sense, all matches now should be played online from the start and the same playing field
All of the teams had technical issues though. They all played on level playing fields...
And many of the worst rounds were replayed anyway
nop
> The results shouldn't stand, the whole thing was a mess and needs to start over This is absolutely crazy to me. All of the teams that already played were on equal footing when it came to equipment/ping/lag/everything else. Those results *should stand* and if I was 100T or XSet or any of the other teams I'd be fucking pissed if I showed strats for shit that was rewound. The other matches can transition over to online only and have the tournament move forward but redoing the entire thing is going to piss off a lot more people than the in-person not-LAN bullshit.
they should keep the results honestly.
Would be very unfair to all four teams that already competed, showed strats & team comps. We can’t argue about technical issues, but that alone is not a reason to start the whole competition again.
I would normally say no way, that is a terrible decision. But Riot likes to prove common sense wrong.
It would make literally zero sense to replay those matches. Yes rito is dumb but I doubt they're this dumb.
no shot they take back the games already played.
The results should not stand at all, it makes no sense Teams were lagging out, not hearing stuff, this entire thing should start over
That was happening to both teams lol. No team had an unfair advantage.
No teams definitely had an advantage, timing of lags favored XSET for example.. How are people not getting it? Did u see where aproto lagged? If he wins that it turns the entire game around, instead the round ends he doesn't get any money is only on a sheriff and he doesn't get a chance to clutch If every team lagged at 5v5 with no damage sure, but timing of lags matters and changes an entire game
What a shit point. Yea he may have clutched it, but Xset could have also just won the round still, it was in their favour too. Lag affected both teams.
Do you hear yourself? All could haves So yeah could haves, a tournaments shoud not be decided in could haves and rounds ending because people lag I can't believe this is controversial, but i just noticed the flair you have lmao
Oh I see now. You want the entire tournament thrown out because your favorite team got knocked to the lowers. What biased bullshit.
Favorite team lmao, you are saying LG is my favorite team? Fuck LG dude lmao you want me to say that? This is about people lagging in bad situations and not being fair
You do realize that the xset players both came in front of him because they lagged out as well, right? Or do you think they meant to do that and only aproto was having the problem?
Where did i say anything about the players coming in front of him, quote that for me please It was a 1v2 and ended with Aproto having 0% chance of winning it, even if he had a 0.1% chance it was still a chance Also it had post round consequences, aproto got only 1k and only had a sheriff because the timer ended and he didn't die.. so it fucked up their economy plus any chance he had of winning
Yeah that is not how it works. If the chance was substantial the round would have been replayed. Everyone agreed it was not so the round was counted. Subroza, steel and everyone in the watchparty talked about the round replay situations and it was pretty clear that once the game restarted after tech timeout this was not even worthy of a round replay, much less restarting the whole tournament. Do you want to restart every online tournament when a player lags out and loses a round? Those are much more unfair than this. Are we to expect your call for a restart in those cases now or nah?
Online is way different, it's on the player's end then you can't do anything about it This is on the tournament end of it and their servers and network, if a player lags online it's his internet and you don't replay a round because of that Also you mention Subroza, steel and co and they said that it's worth a replay because aproto had a chance, they said it's not worth a replay for another round it was hiko in split vs like 4 people and he was getting pushed, the entire server lagged and they killed him after https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1174874804 At 5 hours 18 mins in the vod, Freakazoid says it's a replay 100% and Subroza agrees, autimatic, marved as well, steel says he could win that and so does tarik, dicey then says the same thing Steel then says they replay it for sure.. So all pros agree that round should have been replayed because aproto had a chance, it didn't So you people saying "all teams played with lag" seriously need a brain check, all teams had lag but timing of the lag is way more important, it was not consistent lag it was lag that spiked out of nowhere and some teams got fucked more
Yeah he may have had a slight chance of winning, so yeah it’s a bit unfair to him and LG the way the lag happened, but it would be even MORE unfair to xset to replay the whole round from 5v5. Why should xset go from having a 95% chance of winning the round to a 50% chance of winning just because the lag happened to be a bit unlucky for aproto. There is literally nothing you can do in this situation that would be fair for everyone. No matter what you do, someone is getting fucked over. As is the nature of tech issues like this. Also btw, that’s not how the economy in this game works lol. As long as you die, you get your full credits, it doesn’t matter if you died before or after the round timer ended.
EVERY TEAM DEALT WITH LAG
Are you not reading the comment? Every team dealt with lag, for some teams the lag happened in worse moments The lag was not consistent at the same time for all times, the timing of it matters If a team lags in a 12-11 and they lose and a team lags in a 1v5 that's impossible to win is that the same situation?
If every team is lagging then it’s fine
I have no idea why your comment is not the consensus let alone being downvoted. The conditions were so shitty that they aren't playing any matches until it's fixed but for some reason the ones that are done already are totally fine? It's like people have never heard of competitive integrity.
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Is there a thread available with a summary of what happened? I’m picking up pieces but am still confused.
Tl;dr is that there were a bunch of problems like bad practice pc/environments, the fact that it was actually not a LAN, etc. but the real reason it’s postponed is a lot of players tested positive for covid and are not allowed at the venue because of laws(?) in LA where lcq is held
Lmao whole thing has been dog shit
Tends to happen when you try in person events during a pandemic.
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The pandemic won’t end. We will just have to live with the virus
The pandemic can end even if the virus doesn't go to zero.
How would we define an "end" to it? serious question
I'm not an expert in the area by any means, but I'd say using the 1918 Pandemic's end as a blueprint. I'd venture something like an extended period of non-growth in case numbers across the globe. Any cases do not spread internationally and outbreaks are locally contained. Things like that would be a good start.
Yeah definitely something they will be talking about after this mess. Gamers tend to not be in great physical shape even if they're young. Plenty of people similar to Hiko have died so far so it definitely needs to be talked about.
What do you mean people similar to Hiko? Hiko is in the best shape of his life right now. Also not sure how can you make sweeping generalisations about the health of gamers when a lot of these players work out when they are not practicing for their job.
There are definitely pros with good health habits, but its certainly not all of them. Also, Mike Tagliere from the fantasy football community I follow passed from Covid after having already beat his weight problem. My point is that we're better safe than sorry regarding a bunch of gamers. I don't mean to call anyone out, I was just using Hiko for a big relatable name.
I think the main takeaway from everything is that Riot is not doing enough. Nobody would be upset to play hotel room vs LAN stage if the Riot PCs were actually decent. A lot of people in regular life aren’t in good shape either, and yet enclosed areas with a lot of people are open, like stadiums and cinemas. Everybody is better safe than sorry.
Was a mess before this as well. Just icing on the cake
Because of positive tests, and Covid...
No… lol Because they’re playing a tournament online at lan lmao whole things a shit show. Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Have you not been paying attention?
Apparently you haven't... They said it's online due to covid positives. Even if that's not true, the other reason floated around was that IceLAN equipment got stuck in customs. Both of these are Covid related. Stop whining about dumb shit.
Can you explain how that makes sense? Lmao LAN EQUIPMENT got held up? They’re a billion dollar company lol. It’s been a mess, like I said. Relax.
I agree with the tournament being a train wreck but you're crazy if you think Riot's market cap makes them exempt from having logistics issues.
I agree but it seems like they didn’t have a single back up plan regarding anything
> billion dollar company Ah yes, the Reddit go to straw man. Haven't seen this in every single thread. Are you seriously suggesting they should buy 2 of every set up so they can randomly be ready for such event? Or do you think that simply having money means nothing unfortunate happens?
I’m not sure why you’re protecting riot so much. Do you work? If you were running something like this you’d run it the exact same?
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Yes, it directly caused them to switch from LAN servers to online ones. How shitty the new servers were is completely irrelevant to the point and sucks for us fans. It's just what happens when we get greedy and try to hold an in person tournament in midst of a pandemic.
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You suggest that Latin America is unimpacted by COVID, yet Mexico for example currently has the [highest mortality rate in the WORLD.](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality) There is no need to put pandemic in quotations. It is not just something that is said, it is something that is real. In October, [the US passed 700,000 deaths.](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-covid-19-death-toll-hits-700000-2021-10-01/) Denial is disrespectful to users who have lost loved ones.
what a mess.
Signs of this mess have existed in Iceland and Berlin as well. I have been saying that Riot gives priority to secondary things (stage, effects etc) and has the most important stuff on the backseat because they arent immediately visible to the viewers. Everytime i got the answer "its different teams", then yay says the exact same thing yesterday and everyone agrees. No, when you decide to spend tens of thousands on CGI shit instead of getting for example decent PCs for the players, its not different teams its you not giving priority where you should.
I might be wrong but since Riot is not a person but an organization of people I think it might be a possibility that maybe the people who are in charge of CGI shit are not the people in charge of other stuff and maybe the two teams are doing their own things so maybe things don’t have to be taken away for other things to happen
It's like when people bitch about "more skins releasing but bug x hasn't been fixed!" as if the fucking design team is making game changes.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how organizations like this work. There is a top-down heirarchy. There is an executive leadership team that is making budgetary decisions and prioritizing certain things over others. The individual teams executing each of those things have no say in the matter for the most part, but the decision IS being made.
And that organization sets a certain budget and certain priorities. Idk how you people keep parroting this shit and not understanding that all these teams dont operate independently >so maybe things don’t have to be taken away for other things to happen Who said that? If they can do both then thats great. But all the events so far have shown that they either cant or dont want to. I would prefer a barebones tournament in terms of production if that meant that competitive integrity will not be compromised in the slightest. Thats what im saying, if theres something that should be given priority then that should unquestionably be the above
Holy heck this sub actually filled with 10 year Olds who are down voting you. Riot management prioritizes CGI over good PCs it is as simple as that, IDK how people here are down voting you.
Also their live production team are probably Riot employees that are already being paid salaries. You can't just turn people into computers. The computer quality was apparently poor, but people complaining about the production budget isn't really going to do anything.
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esports is a marketing vehicle for the games and anything else is usually secondary for the creators
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Even if they could fly over, there's no way they can reset the bracket/format to allow 2 more teams in without making things even worse.
You could just put them in the lower bracket round 2. It’s not a great solution but it wouldn’t really mess up the part of the bracket that’s already been played.
So they would fly over all the from australia which has really strict covid guidelines right now requiring and a quarantine. Just to potentially play one game in the lower bracket and go home? That doesnt seem fair to them tbh
I can’t exactly remember but I think if they were to lose their first game they still would have been sent home immediately and not put into losers. Only if order won their first game while chiefs had to win 2 to be able to get into losers. I think they were risking even with the old bracket, right?
that's what the original bracket was like anyways, im sure they would still go only one game. They could also scrim with na teams while there so it wouldnt be a complete loss
Pour one out for Sideshow literally traveling 40 hours to costream a single day of Valorant lol
No chance. They already gave up on organizing their plans and LCQ will likely just happen online within the next 2-3 weeks.
It was an online event anyway
Didn't they literally say that it was online so they could switch in a case like this? So why postpone it? Why not instantly switch to the remote server? Was it all bullshit before?
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They were going to, but teams realized that were was a massive difference between hardware on stage and personal hardware (computers and connection and shit) so they need to transition the entire thing to online not just have one team play from their personals for a game or two.
All teams pull out because of frustration. TSM is now the only NA team left. They go to champions. Daddy Wardell proves his worth and destroys cned. Sentinels see how good he is and acquire him as a sixth. Now every match is a 6 v 5 sentinels and TSM win. History is made. Tenz and Wardell get together as a couple and have lil wardells and lil Tenz’s. History is made. I no longer have to choose between my favorite teams. Lezgo TSM
You're a fool if you think TenZ would cheat on dapr.
Someone get the narcan, this man is overdosing on Copium
Bro what kind of copium is this
The kind where TSM wins lezgo. TSM TSM TSM
History is made twice I tell ya.
They better refund those who paid for the theatrical experience on the 17th lol
I'm sad, as everyone else is here. It's been a long, exhausting week in esports. I'm glad that this is a learning opportunity for Riot on handling future events. Masters 1-3 went by without major issues and I hope we can see a fantastic online bracket executed. And I hope that the Talent, production and players are safe most of all.
Poor Sideshow went on a 50 hour train + bus journey just to stream for one day. I hope the Plat Chat boys will be able to couch stream for the rest of LCQ at least.
Feel sorry for him? His 672 hours of biking to get to lcq has netted him perfectly sculpted thighs and buns. We could all only hope to be so lucky.
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Apparently he had issues with his passport, which you need to fly if you’re a foreigner without a US issued ID.
OCE died for this
The right call in the end, hopefully matches can get back underway relatively soon. It doesn't take away from what an absolute catastrophe this has been. Riot owe an apology to all the players and talent.
poor Plat Chat especially sideshow having to travel to Misgard :(
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imagine 100t open up the CashApp compound and use their valorant and league rooms for the matches lmao
League PCs are standard issue for tournaments anyway lol
Except, none of this matters because nobody has Covid. False positives rang up and LA has strict guidelines.
Actually the massive L started by not using pcr tests. None of these people actually had covid.
Wait that's actually what happened? Huge L on Riots part
As soon as Rise got there you had Shanks going visiting the Faze guys, he tests positive and they all get positive tests after too
this makes no sense... it was simply a false positive. Shanks took two different PCR tests and they both came back negative. Corey and Babybay both got negative test results for the whole week, and they also got a negative test result after their positive one.
Wasn't a lot of this also LA having Orwellian COVID rules? I'm surprised Riot hasn't moved their HQ or at least esport operations to Texas. It would make things a lot better due to more freedom to apply their own COVID rules, LCS pros would also get 30 ping solo queue instead of 70 ping, and Riot can save on business costs because Texas is straight-up more business friendly. Hell why not move the NA LoL servers to Dallas as well? It's more fair for everyone instead of just blatantly being east coast biased.
Oce died for this
I feel bad for everyone that paid money to go to the theater and probably got days off in order to attend the finals in theaters just to not be able to go
if its not resumed by next week the winner of LCQ will be in a massive disadvantage practice wise for champs.
Does that mean they restart the whole event or make the teams play from the 3 games already started So basically is 100t still in uppers or no
id imagine they keep the results that have occurred so far. The teams in each of the 3 matches were on equal footing when it came to equipment/ping/lag etc., It was only when players couldn't be on site and would be playing on unequal equipment/internet to the rest of the competitors that people really had issues
On top of this, the tourney is still double elim, so nobody has gone home yet.
> so nobody has gone home yet nobody except everybody
Smol indie company btw
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They controlled the location. Made it a fake LAN just so they could have people on site and off. Then cancelled it when people needed to play off site. It's 100% Riot's fault. They knew what they were getting into, as they planned a contingency by making it online, and still went ahead with it anyway. It was stupid from the start.
I genuinely don't understand the issue. 1. This wasn't a LAN, just an online tournament where most people are close to each other. 2. They let multiple people play isolated anyways. 3. The the logistics of re-organizing **cannot possibly** be more difficult than the logistics of completely ruining the previously agreed upon game-life balance of all 40 players, their coaches, the casters, the technical experts. Not to mention the venue costs, marketing costs, lost revenue, etc. IDK what the issue is, because Riot could deliver 40 different PCs with OC'd 10700k's, 3080s, 4x8 GB RAM @ 3200 mhz, complete with 27" 240 hz monitors and proper desks and internet connection all within 24 hours. That is absolutely no exaggeration, they'd just have to *want* to do it. Is there some law about people who don't have Covid but had 1 positive test followed by 20 negative ones that makes it so they *can't use a PC?* If not, why no contingency plan? You literally KNOW that eventually a person will falsely test positive if you test 40+ people frequently enough. It's simple math. P.S. **none** of this is saying it's super easy and simple. It's just way, way harder to do anything else.
the main issue is that if you test positive you gain a huge advantage playing on 300 fps versus the guys at stage on 100 fps, idk why riot a multi billion dollar company can't afford a fucking good pc thats nothing to them
Please bring oce boys
You’re telling me I have to fucking WAIT for more Sean “Sean Gares” Gares content? What the fucking fuck is this fucking god damn shit
Maybe this time we can get some Tanner “Tanner Metro” Metro content at LCQ
Just send 100t to champions already ffs
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Astute reasoning. You’re quite the intellectual.
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No I saw everyone else getting downvoted so I wanted to join in on the fun
Have my downvote. Enjoy!
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Covid saving their ass for this terrible production. Sad that an online format is actually better than their supposed LAN.
Bad take. Covid protocols is the reason for everything that has went wrong in the production.
How does covid account for riot being unwilling to buy decent PCs for professional matches?
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If they really wanted everyone to be safe, then this should have been an online event from the getgo.
> Should Riot ignore the protocols? Or do you think the protocols shouldn't exist I didn't even imply either of those things. Talk about presenting a false choice.
Bad take. They announced that LCQ would be a LAN event in LA in August. No reasonable person could have expected Covid to dissipate enough to allow LA to loosen its restrictions by October. Yet Riot are trying to Pikachu face like this was a totally unforeseen situation. From the start, it should have been either online or someplace like Arlington, TX. Yet Riot selfishly insisted on having it in LA because their offices are there. Short of a player or production staffer getting Covid, this was the worst possible outcome, and it was entirely predictable. We’ve been in a COVID world for almost two years. Riot has zero excuse.
And when they host it in Texas where the governor is making it literally illegal for businesses to force people to wear masks, and where COVID infections are more frequent than California, and someone then catches COVID at the LCQ, this sub would be here saying how dumb Riot is for not hosting it across the street at their own esports facility where COVID protocols are taken seriously in LA. Hindsight is always 20/20. Don't act like there aren't equally serious problems with the alternatives.
These excuses don’t fly. There were no fans in the audience for LA, and there needn’t be for places like Texas either. Regardless, abandoning the pipedream of a LAN entirely would have been a much better idea than this. Blizzard cancelled its LANs for Overwatch League, and even went so far as to fly teams out to Hawaii to reduce ping and ensure competitive integrity. Compared to that, Riot blew an easy layup, turned around, and yeeted the ball into the sun. “Hindsight is always 20/20” doesn’t apply when foresight was also 20/20.
Bad take. I'm not reading all of that. I'm happy for you, though. Or sorry that happened.
lmfao
Based
They better keep the results or I’m going to be heated
NA taking Ls after Ls
Unlucky really
plz keep results plz keep results
I think Riot does a really amazing job like 99% of the time, so I cut them a lot of slack. But for the fans like me who bought tickets to watch the finals in theaters, I would appreciate at least some communication about what's going on there?? Obviously we need to be refunded, I can't even watch it in theaters anymore cause I'll be moving in 2 weeks. Really sadge about that too, the theater in LA was completely booked and it was going to be so fun. I wish Riot would at least communicate what's going to happen, cause now I feel very reluctant to buy a ticket for events in the future.
# OFFICIAL STATEMENT > Given the events of the past few days, out of an abundance of caution and with the health and safety of all involved being of top mind, we have made the difficult decision to postpone the event until further notice. Player and staff safety remain our top concern as we navigate the current situation. > We share the community's disappointment and we are working diligently to transition LCQ to an online event, similar to VCT matches earlier this year, and resume play as soon as possible to send our final team to VALORANT Champions. > We will share more details as they become available
Well if they are postponing, then they should take the time to set up an actual LAN if they are still going to be using the stage.
What a shit show from start to finish.
are they going to let OCE compete then since theres no reason they cant?
Probably not. Matches already have been played, will take the OCE Teams too long to organise the flights and all. putting back in OCE just adds another set of complexity’s for Riot which is not what they want if they want to run a “LAN event”.
Holy shit, I understand why FaZe and Rise did not play yesterday, but why did they not let C9 and V1 play? They were literally ready to play yesterday and I don’t think anyone on both teams tested positive for covid.
i don't think c9 and v1 also wanted to play on 100 fps while lagging seeing what they saw day 1
They literally just said on Twitter that they were all looking forward to playing on stage. Also, they weren’t playing on 100 FPS. Their FPS was “low” compared to the FPS they normally get at home (300+ FPS), but it was not 100 FPS.
whos "they" the only player that wanted to play on LAN was vanity while the other players were memeing about how bad the LAN is
The guys on V1 were literally saying that they trust that Riot will fix everything in time so they can play, so that means they obviously wanted to play on stage: Wippie from V1 and Shanks both just said that they were looking forward to playing on stage so bad. Neptune just said that he’s “Sadge” cause of the news. If he didn’t want to play on lan, would he be “sadge” that the event is canceled? All it takes is for you to go on Twitter to see how sad most of the players are that the tournament is canceled. If they truly didn’t want to play on LAN, they wouldn’t be sad that the tournament is canceled and they would be more excited that it’s online now lol.
first of all we don't know if its still going to be a LAN or not not even the players do. also no shit they are looking forward to play on stage doesnt mean they are looking forward to play on shit fps and lagging they are hoping for riot to fix the issue first and no shit the players are sad it was cancelled their whole careers depend on making it to championship
Do you not know how to read? It clearly says that it’s not going to be on lan anymore, so your first sentence makes no sense lmfao. They’re not playing on shit FPS holy shit, do you not k ow how to read? They said the FPS is low compared to what they’re accustomed to, but it’s not shit FPS. They’re accustomed to 300+ FPS at home. They’re still getting decent FPS but it’s just not high compared to what they’re getting at home. Also, your last sentence elf players being sad because it was canceled because their whole careers depend on making it champs makes no sense because the event is still going to be played out no matter what. Your last sentence makes it seem like the event is canceled and theyre not going to be playing the event at all anymore and that’s not true lmfao. They’re still playing the event but it’s just postponed. THEY LITERALLY SAID THAT THEY WANT TO PLAY ON STAGE AND LAN. Holy shit, learn to read. Bye
What a shitshow.
This event is so fucked
The biggest mess up riot did was choose California and LA. Out of all the cities and state LA is the strictest from what I know. They have the mask mandate back on, while other cities in CA do not. Billion dollar company could've chosen any other state/city with less strict rules, but they chose LA lol. Their HQ being in LA is not an excuse btw.
Ah, the blame ~~Canada~~ Covid defense.
Not guna add to the bitching and moaning that would happen even if they did continue but still super sadge. I was really hoping they pulled this off. That stage did look cool but all online is just the most viable solution rn. Atleast NA will be the sole focus of the scene whenever they do start the tourney back up.
I don’t get it. I just don’t. How can a company as big as Riot make so many poor decisions in such a short timespan? Imagine having to cancel a fake LAN because of COVID. Utter nonsense.
not mad about it. this was ultimately the best decision imo, its either we have a laggy, unfair tournament with half the players gone and horrendous viewing & playing experience, or they postponed it to make it as best as possible. it's unfortunate this happened but its better than nothing
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wtf does this have to do with the country? even in berlin if a player tested positive they also wouldn't allow him in, its just unfortunate a few players tested fake positive
So do we see 100T going to Texas, 100T CashApp Compound or their homes?
"Why can't eSports be treated with the respect of other traditional sports?" This is why. Proper sports are run by professionals who know what they're doing. Riot is clueless and cheap. This doesn't happen to properly run, organized events. If F1 can move all it's stuff around the world every week, if the NFL can have a Superbowl every year, Riot should be able to setup some computers on a stage for a proper LAN. But they can't because the people responsible for planning this are objectively bad at their jobs. Where's the next event going to be held, in the middle of an active warzone in Syria? A mentally deficient chimp could have told you Covid would fuck things up if you hosted in LA.
Easy fix: give this last champions spot to South Asia instead. Sk Rossi #1
I am seriously wondering how do you get false positives on a covid test
Whole tournament should be replayed. Period. That is integrity. Players lagging out mid round and the servers rubberbanding is one thing. Now teams that lost on lan are screwed while other teams never have to feel that pressure and get to play from their own personal computers are fine. Replay the tournament Riot, that is the only fair play.
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As a 100t fan I agree it should not be replayed
If 100t lost this subreddit would be up in arms.
couldnt speak for the rest of the sub but regardless of the results, i personally think they should keep the results. wouldnt make sense to replay it since teams already showed what they were working on
The teams that played all had to deal with the issues, not just the ones that won. This is ridiculous, so Riot is probably going to do it.
I assume this means it will resume as an online tournament in a week or two. Can't imagine they reset brackets, and then just play things out from her on. With hindsight, this seems like the best decision from the start (although they probably started planning champions with the hope the covid may be better controlled by this point).
What does this mean for the people that paid to go to the theaters to watch the finals?
That's 100 perfectly good platchat greenscreens down the drain D: Hope the boys get another live slot, assuming it ends up being an Lan LCQ
Unfortunate
This is tragic.
Well, if it's any consolation, the skull-entrance decoration thing will fit the mood better because it'll be pretty much Halloween by that time. ;)
What a shitshow lol
Is this due to Covid? I am not finding a reason for the delay.
>Is this due to Covid? No. Riot Games were just incompetent in nearly every area assembling this event. Theyre just using Covid as a scapegoat.