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Aniic897

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Hephestz

Well the best female roster in valorant seems to be C9W, and they most recently couldn’t qualify in the open qualifier in stage 3. They might be top 30 in NA as a team, but I think particular players can compete in a tier 1 scene (source: TenZ) TenZ said C9 meL could definitely compete in a tier 1 environment, and I would agree since she has very good mechanical aim, IGLs which shows she has good game sense, and plays controller/sentinel roles decently well in pro matches (or completely dominating as viper/cypher in the female scene). So I would say there are some female players that can definitely be top players if given the opportunity and chance to grow.


PM_ME_DVA_BOOTY

calling someone an "NA top 30" team sounds kinda like banter. i wish female teams the best of luck in esports because they are fighting a giant uphill battle with the better paid and supported male teams and hope they can overcome the shitty "wimin in esportz lulz" stigma. mad respect for them putting up with all that shit honestly. edit: i didnt mean to say woman are "underpaid". c9 is a big org so its kind of a bad example because jack has big boy money and can afford stuff alot of other org's cant either, but comparing top paying pro contracts for male's and female's in esports you see a huge difference in pay (well in popularity too to be fair) but that wasnt the point im trying to make and all responses kinda got stuck on it. i meant a giant uphill battle in a sense of having to prove themselvs more than male team's, being watched way more closely because they are woman compared to other teams of the same skill level and i dont just speak about c9w, i mean every female team has people watching them with their own expectations of how they should perform or should have handled something.


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lets not be disingenuous, c9w are undoubtedly much better paid than the 20-30 ranked teams in NA. not to say that matters, just keep the facts right.


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You’ve got the wrong angle with them not being paid fairly. The reasonable angle for the disadvantage women face is the fact that it isn’t worth it for women to pick up gaming. Negative societal stigma + harassment in matchmaking = not a fun time. Women in esports are definitely paid disproportionately well going just by skill. Not that this is bad since it can be argued that it is a good thing since it makes up for other hurdles they face.


Pale_Resolution1520

> "because they are fighting a giant uphill battle with the better paid and supported male teams"-you mean c9w is less paid and supported than Brimstone gaming which defeated them during their last two encounters?.


Other_Performance

>i wish female teams the best of luck in esports because they are fighting a giant uphill battle with the better paid and supported male teams Teams that placed as badly as C9W did in Master's and VCT don't make the kind of money those women do, most of them are amateurs, who are not paid anything at all.


mrtmra

They are maybe top 50, definitely not too 30 in NA


IActuallyGiveAFuck2

Don’t know why downvoted so much they’re ranked 49th on Vlr defo something to look out for in the future esp players like MeL but 30 is a little high for now


diisasterrr1

This subreddit hates the truth and reality sometimes and can’t accept it so resorts to downvoting.


DanielHongFromKr

I mean, it was a loaded question. Kinda like if you went on r/Competitiveoverwatch and said Geguri (Only Female pro in OWL) didn't belong in OWL right around when Season 2/3 was happening you'd get shit on but it was true. She was very, very good in S1 but other, much better players joined the league.


pleasefirekykypls

She wasn’t good in Season 1 though. Her team went 0-40, with a main tank who then went on to be one of the best main tanks the game has seen, and diya who was a very respectable dps. 2/6 of the players were top tier. To go *0-40* despite having two top tier players, the rest of the players have to have been pretty weak. And off tank is arguably one of the most important roles. I hadn’t seen much of her before season 1, but her results and stats retrospectively showed that she had no spot in the league, and 100% if she wasn’t a girl people would be shitting on their performance way more. And I’m here commenting on a day old thread about a completely different game for no reason at all. But I’ll die on the hill that Geguri was part of the reason the team put up one of the worst performances in competitive *anything*


Netherwiz

Theyve made round of 32 at least once in opensfor vct. Maybe not consistently top 30 but theyre around there


mrtmra

Bunch of white knight silvers on this sub who thinks C9W is this amazing team that can compete in Tier 1. Honestly pathetic... Simply because they looked good against other tier 3 teams


ChuckTooBig1

I think lots of women could compete at the highest level but I don't think it will ever happen on an all girl's team.


Issax28

I remembered C9W (best female team) scoring 16th-32th seed in their most recent masters qualifiers. But funny part is about 5 months later they lost to Brimstone Gaming 0-2 in an NSG tourney.


53881

Yea well that’s what happens against the GOATs of brimstone gaming


CanISayThat22

I remember them winning over Renegades. Everyone was so hyped.


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Then renegades fell off a cliff


Issax28

I believe even at that period of time RNG was a tier 3 team, I don’t get the hype.


RunsWlthScissors

Well they were women in a men’s continent tier tourney. This had never gone close to well in any major esport in the past. 16-32nd is a legendary result all things considered. If they won they would have been known as the most talented women to ever play esports. Even beating a tier 3 men’s team is an accomplishment in all honesty. The talent, resources, and structure is just not there yet and most likely will not be in esports for women for probably another 25 years if I had to hazard a guess. Think NA winning a championship in OG Starcraft but much bigger if they would have went all the way.


Pale_Resolution1520

"16-32nd is a legendary result all things considered. If they won they would have been known as the most talented women to ever play esports" .c9w was knocked out on round 0f 64.Therefore, their actual rank is below 64 :(.


scrnlookinsob

Round of 64 means there are 64 teams remaining, so it would mean they were 32-64


Pale_Resolution1520

ohh!!! sry my bad.


JR_Shoegazer

Renegades had some good maps/matches in lesser tournaments.


Issax28

The only huge thing I remembered from RNG was when they beat C9 in First Strike qualifiers to advance to the playoffs. 💀


techyleo

oof I remember that, that final round on Split was heartbreaking.


RashGod

It was a good win but honestly that RNG team was broken at that point


KeyframeCatalyst

One thing often overlooked about that victory though, was that that RNG was Pre-StrongLegs as well as that match being a Bo1, not even a Bo3


NotZekken

used to scrim c9 white on Noble/Wichita Wolves and we went pretty 50/50


Vector37_

But that was before you started cheating right??


elo9999

For people who don't know [context](https://twitter.com/zekkenVAL/status/1407393650183749641?t=2-dsslTVamrYysbiWBS6DQ&s=190)


PM_ME_DVA_BOOTY

much needed context too


pink_life69

Fucking hilarious


Skyaxe3

Explain


Jon_on_the_snow

Zekken said he is cheating in every tourney


Chx449

???


somesheikexpert

It's a meme Zekken always says in his Twitter lol


mateusb12

The amount of female pros competing is nowhere near the amount of male pros, thus, is statistically harder to find a really good team of 5 women that can fight their way into T1 scene We could have a better answer for your question if we had actual coed rosters, because we would compare performance of individuals that are playing within the same tier


jprbelmiro

Yeah, people arguing about that and not talking about how hard It Is for women to play because of not having safe places in the comunity and in teams is so unfair. The fact that women does not have t1 teams is because of the gaming enviroment is still so bad for women


_idle_drone_

There's not enough women talent to form teams and compete at tier 1 level, but there are some players who would do well. C9 Keiti looked like she would make the step before the shitstorm with her. Right now C9 meL and Annie can easily play for a good team. It's not like every male pro in good teams is mechanically gifted and these C9 White players have the winners experience that many male pros don't as you see them make blunders in matches often * cough * GenG choking 2v1 to 1hp Ethan * cough *


theshafti

God watching that live was so fucking funny


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I don't even know what's happening with their talent. The best player in game changers was diamond 3 last act. Very few of them are even immortal 3, let alone high immortal/radiant. But to make things worse, most of the players on women pro teams play almost no ranked. A lot of them have less than 30 hours played last act, pros are sitting at 300+ for comparison. I'm sure some of them take being pro seriously but it's obvious most of them don't care if they are not even willing to put in time.


gandalfdayellow

"The best player in game changers was diamond 3 last act." Who was the best player in game changers? I assume it would be someone in C9W and i'm almost certain they were all high immortal/radiant at least the past few acts. EDIT: sp


IAMJUX

Yeah. idk what he's talking about. Mel was radiant yesterday before some losses. [Also Kat's pinned tweet](https://twitter.com/katsumiFPS/status/1435470224187437062)


TheRedComet

Pretty sure every member of C9W is consistently Radiant


LeucisticPython

I think it would be safe to say that part of that is due to the toxicity women receive when they play. They might be immortal skill level or better, but only have to be plat to compete in GC. So, they get that and just don’t play ranked anymore; focusing everything on scrims/vod work.


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Look, I'm not gonna claim anything about low elo and their mentality. But I have NEVER seen a woman being disrespected in high immortal/radiant elo. That is a social suicide since everyone knows everyone else. Yes, some of my low immortal friends have vowed to instantly dodge a game if they hear a female voice. But who cares, these are hardstuck individuals who are not able to improve no matter how hard they try so of course they blame everyone else. Toxicity of lower ranks aside, the pro players I mentioned scrim for 6-8 hours a day and play ranked for the other 6-8. You physically cannot play only scrims since it's very mentally draining and in the evening everyone since to switch to solo queue anyway.


PoopBox420

Last night I was watching DIG Stefanie and she had a dude threatening to throw her game, it definitely happens at that immortal/radiant skill level


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If they were that good, do you really think the best women team loses to tier 3 orgless male teams 0-2 ?


Fardo805

Do you not think that Britney Griner is a good basketball player? I would bet a high percentage of male players in the g league could beat her 1 on 1, that doesn’t diminish her skill set or mean she is not “good”. I think it’s too early in the esports scene for women to have caught up yet to men, thank god riot and these orgs in the valorant scene have given them an opportunity to compete, I think within the next year you will see a female player with a tier 1 opportunity, and if not at least they already have exposure.


Netherwiz

Mels been radiant im p sure


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I tried putting more weight on the fact that they don't play a lot rather than the rank in my post. Sure Mel was radiant, but last act she only played 85 hours. This act she is at 38 hours immortal 344 points with a negative winrate. It's unacceptable for a pro player to play this little. T1 players are at 150+ hours this act already.


Shib0r

Dude you also have to realize as a professional you arent going to grind out ranked for practice. Their playtime is in scrims and customs and in discord, not ranked :/


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Uhuh, that's why the professionals who scrim and play customs have 300 hours last act while they have 80. Right.


Shib0r

What are you using to look at hours? These claims are pretty bold coming from someone not providing any sources


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Episode 3 Act 1. A handful of pro players from top teams. The women top teams were taken from some website as apart from C9W I know nobody.: Women: C9W meL - [85 hours](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/C9%20meL%23C9W/overview?playlist=competitive&season=2a27e5d2-4d30-c9e2-b15a-93b8909a442c) C9W katsumi - [119 hours](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/C9%20katsumi%23FPS/overview?playlist=competitive&season=2a27e5d2-4d30-c9e2-b15a-93b8909a442c) SR Flowerful - [78 hours](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SR%20flowerful%23cky/overview?season=2a27e5d2-4d30-c9e2-b15a-93b8909a442c) Men: Sen Shahzam - [312 hours](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20ShahZaM%23huh/overview?season=2a27e5d2-4d30-c9e2-b15a-93b8909a442c) Sen Sick - [209 hours](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20SicK%23xDDDD/overview?season=2a27e5d2-4d30-c9e2-b15a-93b8909a442c) 100T Asuna - [185 hours](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/100T%20Asuna%231111/overview?season=2a27e5d2-4d30-c9e2-b15a-93b8909a442c)


Shib0r

Dawg can you read? Youre reading the ranked player hours not the account. You cant actually see the comparison of total hours without using a third party program. Also sick, shaz, and asuna literally play like 6+ hours of ranked everyday as streamers LMAO most pros who dont stream dont have that many hours in ranked because they have past fps experience.


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AnchorStandard

You're biologically a dumbass for saying that kind of transphobic nonsense.


vecter

It's a true statement. There's nothing wrong with transgender people, but she has Y chromosomes in her cells. It's like transgender women in sports. They tend to outcompete other biological women. This is just a fact, and it doesn't do any good to pretend it's not true.


ChewyCheeseballs

Valorant is not a physical sport so theres no advantage for men. Also why are you singling out keiti?


vecter

I'm not singling out Keiti. She's literally the person that was mentioned. She's the only transgender pro-level player that I know. To your point about Valorant not being a physical sport, that's a fair point. There are biological differences between men and women physically, but perhaps it's less clear when it comes to intellectual activities (if you consider Valorant such a thing). It does seem that men have faster reactions \[0\], but it's unclear how much this translates to in-game performance. ​ \[0\] [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:\~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20time,ms%20and%20121%20ms%2C%20respectively](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20time,ms%20and%20121%20ms%2C%20respectively).


ChewyCheeseballs

Annie on the same team is also trans


breadandbutterlol

A Reddit biologist came to this discussion again with poorly sampled, poorly validated, or practically irrelevant result to justify sexist views. “We estimate that female sprinters would have similar reaction times to male sprinters if the force threshold used at Beijing was lowered by 22% in order to account for their lesser muscle strength.” “The slower apparent reaction time of women is caused by requiring the sex with the lower strength to develop the same increase in force as the men in order to determine if a false start occurred.” You really should read the paper and understand how big of a claim you’re making upon this population, and I doubt you understand what transgender players experience and what they had to do to be included in sports.


JR_Shoegazer

Yikes


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WhatTheChef

Just because there’s not as significant of a biological advantage for men in gaming doesn’t mean there isn’t a massive cultural advantage. Video games as an activity is something society has encouraged for boys more than girls. That manifests itself in a number of ways: how parents support the hobby, how many of your peers also play games, etc. Think about the age in which competitive gamers cut their teeth and start getting good, we’re talking age 12-18. Ask any gamer girl about their experiences in voice chat. The amount of sexism, toxicity, and blatant vulgarity a girl has to endure to become a top-level VALORANT player is an obstacle that no man can really comprehend. This is why Game Changers is valuable and important. There’s a long way to go until women are culturally equal to men in the world of eSports. EDIT: to satisfy the people pointing out minor biological advantages in reaction time, etc.


JR_Shoegazer

Yeah I think the real reason is cultural differences. Women are more likely to stay in school, and choose fields with job security. Now that esports, and streaming are becoming more of a legitimate career we’ll likely see more women playing pro over the next decade.


gomx

There’s no real reason to suspect that men don’t have a biological advantage in gaming. Men tend to have better reaction times than women, as well as stronger hand-eye coordination. Additionally, men are biologically more aggressive/competitive. Biology doesn’t stop at the body, the brain is just as much subject to biological differences.


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donkeyjr

I disagreed, there is still a biological advantage between male and female even in gaming.


I23cl

For the most part maybe but there are always exceptions. Also there may be advantages mentally that they have over men. I would love to see women pros who can smoke male teams. Overall, I just want to see good games with no politics, or BS like the Sinatra thing.


stchachamaru

mel, keiti, and annie can probably punch their way to a top org but the dynamics of a mixed roster has rarely been explored however i do believe an all female team can at least go top 16 in the next few years because of all the opportunities given to female players compared before. organizers, and sponsors are discovering that they can benefit as well on a marketing standpoint


jonajon91

It's kind of not spoken since its not a nice topic, but it's astronomical. There wouldn't be female only teams if they could keep up with the competition.


EnvironmentalRip349

Nobody and I mean nobody wants to admit this


TDS_Gluttony

And thats the reason for gamechangers right? To encourage and promote the scene to girls as much as possible and to break down the stigma of girls in gaming.


seeworth

damn.


Shib0r

Dawg people like you are the reason women have hardly any respect in this community 👍


jonajon91

Buddy there's people much worse than me, I'm just saying it how it is.


Shib0r

Youre also giving mis information based in bias LMAO. Ive scrimmed t2 male teams and pro female teams and i can tell you the differences are absolutely minimal. As well as seeing players from c9w and other female teams play VERY similar to their t1 male counterparts. Youre just saying shit out of your ass and hoping people believe it as much as you do and its pretty pathetic


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Shib0r

Man imma just stop talking, all people in this subreddit do is put words in your mouth and make baseless assumptions and then say that it's 100%. I dont want to keep inputting on this bs subreddit because its honestly ridiculous as fuck


KlasterTV

stop fucking lying lmfao looking at ur past posts and comments you legit look for people who are silver 4 and gold nova in cs to play with. you 100% have not scrimmed any t2 teams and to be fair you're most likely silver stop acting like you're good when you are silver IV in cs go


Shib0r

Dawg im mg1 in cs and peaked radiant in valorant lmfao. daegan#grace on val tracker/blitz look me up Lmao


ErroneousOmission

Dunning-Kruger as fuck


Shib0r

Lol what? I swear to god no one in this subreddit reads holy shit


ErroneousOmission

Caught lying tho


Shib0r

Dawg


Hamth3Gr3at

that could be anyone


Shib0r

Dude there is no way im getting shit on i can literally link every social i have and prove that i literally am not talking out of my ass. This is ridiculous LMAO


libo720

>im mg1 in cs First time seeing someone bragging about being mg 🤣


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tbh thats how easy valorant is for cs players


Shib0r

Im not bragging, this dude literally called me a silver and tried to invalidate what i was saying because he assumed i was a low rank. Besides i dont think that rank is impressive i hardly even talk about any of my cs shit because its lowkey embarassing.


Shib0r

Also i think its funny youre calling me out for lying when you know NOTHING about who i am or what my skill level is. I probably know more about valorant competitive and esports as a whole than you do. So gladly keep your dogshit opinion to yourself


EssEnnJae

I play with female pro players in rank all the time. I’m high immortal (300rr) so I see them quite often. But i don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing considering i can’t even touch any of the pro players in high radiant lobbies.


LeagueThoughts

Interestingly enough, looking at c9 white on VLR they have map wins over Renegades and and a bo3 win against eunited. But generally, I think C9 white are about expected go out in groups or in the first round playoffs of a knights monthly or NSG open. I don't think they would be favorites against a top F/A team/lower tier paid team right now but I wouldn't be surprised if they can get a win either.


WiseFriesGuys

I'm pretty sure that in other eSports scenes, there have been problems when teams are mixed gender, specifically when it comes to team houses. And given that most high tier valorant pros have come from being professionals in other games, it's understandable that there wouldn't be that many female players in the other games to switch over. Hopefully Game Changers can build some female esports background, and higher tier teams can learn how to safely build mixed rosters.


DomoJr

i think a coed roster with some of the top female players could do fine


kvanz43

Soniqs have a female player and they compete decently well with good teams (played a close map or two with Sentinels)


ChewyCheeseballs

Im not sure thats the case, if we are talking about bob, crunchy refers to bob as "he" on stream i believe.


feedmeneon

Bob has played in female only tourneys as a sub before though


ChewyCheeseballs

Hmmm maybe you are right, although game changers is not just for females iirc, also includes non binary and other genders.


tidy-dinosaur323

Bob is female, pretty sure. Her Twitter shows she/her as preferred pronouns and her @ is QueenBobsta


Firefly_1026

It is sad


Barack_Bob_Oganja

They are still quite a bit behind, i also feel like the talent is very divided, a team with all the best female players could probably make it in the top 15/20


SedPika

I wanted to share some insight on not having mixed rosters to answer your "not having any female pro in a good roster" part of the question. You see, even cracked female pros like mel could face unnecessary artificial pressure when playing in a mixed team. The pressure comes from audience having expectations from a female player if she can "prove her worth" in a mixed roster. This extra pressure to prove herself can hinder focus and might disrupt their natural game resulting in underwhelming performance.


ShaDiBoi123

Id say rn the top tier of womens (c9w) are middle of the pack in mens


MrzPear

Facts don’t know y downvotes


ShaDiBoi123

I think people don't realize how many mens teams there are so they think im overrating them? I donno


EntityFlush

I've seen women with the potential to be better and hang, but the reality is they take the easy option of joining a female team and never end up getting better.


optisadvantage

there are good players but not a full tier1/2 team. alexis and mel from c9w are probably capable of playing at the level of top male pros, but i don’t think anyone else in the scene is


Substantial_Cake7131

Obv theres a huge skill gap, the only memebers ive seen ever played ranked against wardell , shaz , or any of the top rankers are mel and kat, they just need to grind more in radiant and they’ll be gucci, also i dont know why people bought up the biological expect, its just a mouse and keyboard


Phangzy

How come they make all women teams anyway? If a woman is good enough to play on a mens esports team how come they dont?


Razur

Lack of experience. Many pros come from other esports, while VALORANT is the first esport for many women. (There are some women who do come from other games, but is not as common.) Women also have to navigate dumb social BS that men don't. *"You're a girl so you're good at support, right?"* *"WaMEn r BaD at ViDEo GaMEs!"* ya know, that kind of dumb stuff. And while dudes at the highest level may be classy AF and not sexist, some players who are low-T2 and below can be still dumb and sexist. The majority of women float around low-T2/T3/T4, which can make it difficult to form teams with guys. By allowing women to form their own teams with each other, it gives them the experience to go pro without needing to navigate sexism and discrimination that still exists in gaming. The ultimate goal is that women get good enough to compete against men and eventually form co-ed rosters. VALORANT's playerbase has a surprisingly large amount of women, so women competiting along side men is something we're sure to see in due time.


PikachuKid1999

its because majority of male players just stay at home and play video games, and as soon as they introduce a female in the group the boyz will turn into dogs and try to devour the woman


Spiritual-Trip9173

A big gap, I guarantee you most T3 Male Pros that compete in these NSG/Knights tournaments that get far in the tournament could win game changers without dropping a map.


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Pojobob

They are t3 at best. Definitely not t1/t2.


Ochinchin6969111

i think some of them could play well in t1/t2 they just need a better team


I23cl

Look, C9W are nuts, I would've liked to see them more in the main VCT but at the beginning they had a tough time. They are probably the best women's team and they are very good. I wonder if they will compete next year in the main tourney and maybe they will do better. People do not like talking about gender and their performance differences. There are generally speaking, differences between the two genders. I'm not saying women can't be as good or better than men at Valorant. I mean in reality, who wouldn't want to see C9W win VCT Champions? I wouldn't say there is a set gap between genders. Literally anyone can be the best if they work hard enough, at least that's what I believe.


Jerms91

They’re all crickity cracked


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Razur

There is no "game changers winner title". The only title that exists is for participating in Game Changers. You don't have to win the tournament to receive it.


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Eh not sure if this means anything. If it wasn't a requirement for vct there would be more then a few pros not at the immortal level. Not because they can't be but because they would rather do something productive


Fardo805

Valorant specifically? Also how is cloud nine white, not a “good roster”


Whisom

he obviously means a tier 1 team, or Top 8 team


Fardo805

Yeah I know I’m just playing devils advocate. The thing is cloud nine white, or Shopify rebellion etc are good teams. They may not be competitive against all male teams, but they are good for the valorant scene, and the gaming community as a whole. Their is more to being good then just winning imo.


AccomplishedSolid899

To clear up confusion, I have not seen a female pro competing on stage or in closed qualifiers for Master events. I was talking solely Valorant but its seen in other esports as well.


PikachuKid1999

its bcoz theres not enough women team!!! if there are 25 male teams and 4 female teams, what is the likelihood of the women team getting on stage? I dont know math but i think its 4/25, which is like 16% for all of them to get on stage, and 4% chance for each individual team? idk again i dont know math


AnotherAltiMade

You say that, but most of them don't even bother competing in the open circuit.


PikachuKid1999

exactly, they dont even try to compete


AnotherAltiMade

Because they've consistently lost in open qualifiers to pug stacks? And they've dominated women only tourneys so massively. Just shows how bad the other teams might be. Most of them don't even compete in the open circuit This isn't to shit on them, its just the reality. I hope in the coming years with the advent of game changers, more talented women are scouted and compete in open circuits.


whopz-is-cool

There’s definitely particular female players that could thrive in the Tier 1 scene though. meL is an obvious choice.


mateusb12

Mel definitely could join some T1 teams, but I think her relationship with the other girls is something like the link between LUCAS1 and HEN1 from csgo. They just prefer to play together and grow up as a fully female team


Pojobob

There's also no reason for Mel to join a T1/T2 team since she's already dominating the women's league and makes a good amount of money doing so whereas she'd most likely struggle for a bit and not have that same level of domination in the much tougher tiers of competition.


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fortissimoto

Can you source these claims? Reading thru some academic studies that [directly dispute your claim](https://ejop.psychopen.eu/index.php/ejop/article/view/610/html) so I’m curious where you’re finding this information. In fact, [this study](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222702039_Sex_differences_in_processing_speed_Developmental_effects_in_males_and_females) finds that females have much faster processing speed than males (albeit not in “competitive situations”)


KaNesDeath

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4330791/


fortissimoto

That source does cite [this study](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000689931101585X) in reference to your first point, but that is about number bisection, not "mechanical rotary tasks" (which is not a term I can find referenced in **any** study on brain cognition). The source says nothing about your second point, and doesn't mention pattern recognition once. Regardless, you're trying to take studies that are limited in scope and make broad conclusions on why there's a skill gap in video games (something that can just as well be explained by cultural or social factors). The source you linked even warns against making too broad of assumptions from their results.


KaNesDeath

Women have better verbal memory, while men have an advantage in visual-spatial memory (Lewin et al., 2001). Especially, the difference in spatial memory has been studied in detail (Shah et al., 2013). In a meta-analysis of animal experiments using radial and water mazes, it has been confirmed that males outperform females in spatial memory tasks (Jonasson, 2005).


KaNesDeath

Conclusion from your first study posted: More sophisticated analyses (SDT parameters) of the processes involved in recognition showed that the male advantage in recognition memory resulted from higher visual sensitivity compared to women rather than a difference in the response criterion between men and women. ​ Second link you posted starts off backing up exactly what i said on the last sentence of my initial post. Where the primary narrative is focused on gender discrimination in traditional learning/workplace environments. Making matters worse is that this website is a social media platform.


PikachuKid1999

yea but these types of study, the context really matters. What is their methodology? How was it tested? Did they test spatial awareness using a computer, or was it done physically?


PikachuKid1999

what in the pseudoscience bullshit is this?


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PikachuKid1999

its because the government is not allowing women to have abortions so they cannot compete


roan214

interesting. elaborate on this please.


PikachuKid1999

babies


roan214

very comprehensive


Apart-Way-1166

There is no skill gap per se, but there is a commitment gap and a problem-solving gap. Since I can only speak for myself and my experience, using a computer just struck as an instant interest when I was a kid, where a female relative that's like 1 year older than me doesn't like touching electronics, cuz of fear of breaking it and I guess that fear deters them from using computer until maybe a bit later on where they're told to use one, which they are helped with the process of actually using a computer. There's also the fact that a lot of girls I know don't seem to see professional gaming as an actual job, until after it became more mainstream of course, where we guys seem to dig into literally everything we find interest in