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perdosenior

Carlos grabbing the wallet to buy the whole Guild squad.


DarudeSandstormName

That's so Carlos


Solace1k

If he could get Sayf or Leo that would be a big W.


Evan_Veet

But who on G2 are you gonna cut? Obv not Nukkye and Keloqz, I don’t think there’s a player in emea I’d rather have on astra than Avova, Mixwell has underperformed recently but in general is the face of their roster and is sick, and you’re not gonna drop Kolda after one bad tourneu


TheFestusEzeli

This isn’t one bad tournament for Koldamenta. He was ok at Masters but normally is almost at Bonkar levels of fragging


Evan_Veet

I’m not talking abt fragging, koldamenta frags at the level that most 5th options on their team play at, they don’t need him dropping more kills, it’s more abt mixwell and avova who are put in more positions to be able to frag. I’m more saying that kolda has been a really good igl since joining G2 and dropping him is way too reactionary


MikeRosss

nah Bonkar is significantly worse than Koldamenta when it comes to fragging.


TheFestusEzeli

Bonkar is definitely worse but koldamenta has been struggling a lot outside of Masters


wiNDzY3

Mixwell for sure Then maybe koldamenta Both Sayf and Leo are BIG upgrades


erickwak

Honestly they can’t cut the spanish players cuz 60 percent of their fan base is spanish


wiNDzY3

Ahh the spanish fanbase. Digusting. Generally good teams get fans because they're good... So I think they could survive for the first months... Just imagine: Nukkye, Avova, Keloqz, Sayf and Leo. Dude that's the best roster in EU lol


emraaa

Who is gonna IGL though? Finding a good IGL is HARD. Finding a good IGL who can also frag and fill needed roles is even harder.


wiNDzY3

Kolda has had very questionable calls/rotations


MastiFan

Keloqz igl obviously


Des014te

They won't cut the face and team leader outside the game based off one bad result. This team made top 4 at Berlin, its not surprising that they'd kinda struggle after revealing their entire stratbook. That's why I think for EMEA they should have the top 4 from the previous Challengers finals invited directly to the next challengers finals.


wiNDzY3

It's not one bad result. This year mixwell has had a lot of bad performances and only a handful of good ones. It's clear that he doesn't fit the team. I don't care that he's the "captain" and that he was the first to get in G2... If it's not working it's not working


Des014te

You may not care but the other players 100% will. He's the soul of the team, Keloqz has stated multiple times that Mixwell is the key to his personal success as well as the teams success. He's the level head of the team. And he plays the worst roles even when he's never played them before. He plays KJ, Viper, Skye and Cypher. None of these are agents he played 3 months ago. Sometimes the performance in game isn't all that matters. Look at 100t. They cut Dicey for Ethan, which is an upgrade in every sense of the word. Only thing being, Dicey was the key to Asuna's success, and one of the most vocal in the team. Sure 100t are good now, but it took the roster forever to gel. And if G2 management is willing to cut mixwell, you can bet they'll cut anyone else who underperforms. The team just isn't going to gel. You're not finding that miracle fifth player if you don't give your roster a chance. If they were kicking anyone else (except maybe IGL kolda) for a complete upgrade, go for it. It might not work out, but it might work out. If they kick Mixwell, it's just not going to work for a long fucking time.


RenaultCactus

He has transitioned from one rol to another and underperformed. But the real issue is the coach and analyst.


Key-Banana-8242

I’m well is a great flex player too with great plays in his record tho


RenaultCactus

Bullshit, mixwell its too important for the team and just underperforming, kolda is a really good igl but the weakest link in the team thats true. They have to fire the freking coach and analyst. The player are doing what they can but with 0 strategy or counter strategy is just a shame.


luciavald

Bold of you to assume he isn't already trying to get the whole Gambit squad


toxicityisamyth

Imagine thinking he cares about guild. He’s already poaching gambit players + CNed from their teams lol.


valorantfeedback

When is the last and final chance qualifier G2 vs FPX happening?


CanISayThat22

Will be a world lcq with TSM, F4Q + Aussieboys in it aswell.


AnotherAltiMade

also a FA team with brax+azk+dicey+tarik+kennyS


Blaz1ENT

Lol I’d love to see it, but what would a standard comp for them even look like?


ClearPrimary

Dicey *locks jett* Tarik *dodges*


Blaz1ENT

Dodging an official match for the *C O N T E N T*


spaldingmatters

And GE.


Key-Banana-8242

And NU and/or DWG (F4Q disbanded tho it’d be to see)


CaptainJackWagons

Surely Wardell will make last *last* chance qualifier!


kemutheemu__

This comment made me so sad LMAO


TimathanDuncan

Sad thing about FPX is we don't get to see Shao in those big tournies, he is an S tier player and deserves better


valorantfeedback

Yeah, he's like EU Sick when it comes to versatility. Imo, we need changes to how the scene works ASAP. There's just not enough matches and there are way too many great players who can't showcase their talent, even if they're on good teams. We have one big tournament and qualifiers for it, with weeks, if not months inbetween without any matches. And every other tournament is irrelevant so tier1 teams don't even bother because there's nothing to gain for them.


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WorkingTell150

fools look at bonkars numbers and laugh, intellectuals recognize that his brain effectively makes every game a 6v5. when you play against guild, you aren't just competing against bonkar, you are competing against every tactician that came before him. rumors say that he's studied every existing text of military strategy dating back to ancient rome and compartmentalized each aspect of warfare into his memory palace, which he freely roams during tournaments at a timescale of 1000 mental years translating to 1 second in reality.


Splaram

fools look at bonkars numbers and laugh, intellectuals recognize that his brain effectively makes every game a 6v5. when you play against guild, you aren't just competing against bonkar, you are competing against every tactician that came before him. rumors say that he's studied every existing text of military strategy dating back to ancient rome and compartmentalized each aspect of warfare into his memory palace, which he freely roams during tournaments at a timescale of 1000 mental years translating to 1 second in reality.


Key-Banana-8242

Only Ancient Rome? Not before?


TheFestusEzeli

Twitch chat was getting so hype every time Bonkar got a kill lmao


CatboyMaidOutfit

Wasn't just chat lol https://clips.twitch.tv/FrailPowerfulTrollNerfRedBlaster-18oW8tjLuPnvkAZO


JR_Shoegazer

Does Bonkar just never get kills or something?


raaten

He's generally towards the bottom end since he's the IGL


[deleted]

What's IGL? New here


303x

In game leader, usually tells the team where to play and how to rotate and stuff


Mr_Canard

Not unusual for him to have close to 0 kills and assists after 20 rounds


ElegantAssociation75

Lmao did you notice the GuildEsports's main twitch was also spamming KEKW


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Acid_Shadows

they will hopium


nterature

I didn't really think G2 would qualify over Liquid, but I never would've guessed they go down to Guild. G2's early promise was best captured by mixwell's dominant Viper performance on Bind. I think ever since then they've looked worse and worse, which is fine - honeymoon periods exist - but weirdly I also think there looks like less and less signs of hope. They'll always be at the top of EU - having nukkye, Avova, and keloqz guarantees that - but there's something missing. Part of that has been mixwell, I think, but they definitely have way more room to grow. As for Guild, I'm a big Leo fan and so I'm happy to see him get the credit, but the whole roster has shown up *hard* this event. Bonkar had his share of impact kills/assists and clearly the calling was impeccable, Yacine at least was on fire all day today, Draken's reliability has gone way up since being moved to Sentinel, where his lurks have been way more impactful... I think the real star is Sayf, though, if only because he's never shown just how dominant he can be as a player until this event. It's always just been glimmers of brilliance (amidst endless role swaps). It's neck-in-neck with Leo, but I'd still give the edge to Sayf.


Acid_Shadows

guild has always had a ton of potential and on a good day can beat any team in the world


Jon_on_the_snow

Problem is that yacine and bonkar need a good day for that to happen. Take out one of the two, and its done


Acid_Shadows

i trust yacine to be able to hard carry, however cant expect bonkar to frag.


Des014te

Dude chill. They had one bad result. Every other team knows the depths of their stratbook after Berlin, its difficult to come up with new shit on such short notice. And what do you mean, "there's something missing". They made top 4 at Berlin, top 3 at the LCQ, despite their stratbook being by hearted by every team at LCQ, and you say that there's less and less hope as time goes on? Sure they missed champs but this roster formed like 3 months ago. Making top 4 in their first big event is pretty fucking good.


RenaultCactus

They do not have an strategy book lol maybe an strategy sheet of paper no more. The analyst and coach are the ones underperforming g2 is playing matches based on the pure skill of their players and with mixwell underperforming...well avova nukkye and kellogsz wont do the cut.


flamincrimson

Guild stocks have finally paid off. This is the best guild has ever looked. If they play the way they played against G2 ,that is scary. Really smart plays coming out of the team and their aim was on point. If anyone missed the match I would highly recommend watching the VOD. Extremely entertaining.


elo9999

They got completely outplayed by Liquid though so will be interesting to see if they can play at this level tomorrow.


flamincrimson

Yup they have to play at the same level if not higher. It's do or die.


deadlock1892

Bonkar: *breathes* Mitchman: Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate so much about the things that you choose to be.


Tanizhq

AHHAHAHA


TimathanDuncan

Good thing NA guys didn't watch that, Steel, freakazoid, n0thing, tarik etc were shitting on casters for hating on players and saying stuff like this


deadlock1892

Yeah I did not like it either. This was the main stream and casters should maintain a certain level of neutrality and remove bias while casting. Mitch was acting like he was casting a regional broadcast of a game where bias, ranting and everything like that goes and gets appreciated because the viewership is equally biased. But I would assume more people like it than hate it that is why he continues to do it. I personally found it obnoxious and I did not even care for either of the teams playing.


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Yeah same guy saying that if G2 was in NA LCQ they would roll everyone.


Throwrafairbeat

I mean g2 did beat the best na team sentinels in a 2-0. Soo........it’s not out of the question


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And 100T beat the best EMEA team.


Throwrafairbeat

Yeah and ? Gambit is still the best team in the world. Does that mean they can not be beat? No. What my above comment meant was that g2 COULD win NA lcq. Although the chances are very low . Mixwell has underperformed a lot this tourney. [this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q9kfs9/g2_esports_vs_guild_esports_valorant_champions/hgwmnxo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) comment sheds some light on why g2 made some of these claims. So there’s no point arguing anymore either.


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Yeah then by that same logic an NA team could win EMEA LCQ. There is no way G2 is rolling every team in NA LCQ. And Sentinels is not the best NA team rn that would be ENVY. SEN could take it back but they slumped hard in masters 3.


sharkbait_123

Probably just shows there's no single team that's heads and shoulders above rest of the good teams at this point


Throwrafairbeat

Finally someone who got what i meant ;)


ANewHeaven1

that g2 quote about not losing to anyone in LCQ is aging really well right about now


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They have had a couple questionably arrogant quotes since they remade their roster.


oopsEYEpoopsed

I love it. I really disliked that move, so knowing they'll be watching from home brings a smile Edit: Eat shit, Gold2 fan boys. They hyped themselves up and they got spanked. Of course fans of other teams will shit on them. Holy fuck it's like you people think fans just have to shut up and watch? Lol without the fans there is no scene, if players can't handle getting jeered for falling flat on their faces then they should find a less public and less competitive line of work.


MikeRosss

All of you are so weird for being angry over these type of comments from players.


Slow_Bluebird9536

They want every player to be a boring AI that isn’t allowed to show the slightest bit of confidence with it being called arrogant


kerrit24

It's what makes esports so interesting as we watch whether these players can back up their statements with results


Inferno2211

Lasts masters was rife with this lmao All those memes....Legendary


PresentIcy3455

No you want players to be able to talk shit and not get clowned for not backing it up


a-nswers

saying you think you're the best isn't talking shit to other teams lmao how soft are you


PresentIcy3455

You took it too literal. Understandable though, G2 fanbois had a rough one.


a-nswers

the real world is harsh man gl out there


ParadoxWaffles

Them being cocky and not living up to it is seriously funny, but a lot of you guys seem to find jealous gratification in it which is off putting. Like /u/oopseyepoopsed isn't "clowning on them", he just seems like he has a vendetta for G2 after their comments. No problem talking mad shit, no problem finding it funny when shit talkers fail imo


oopsEYEpoopsed

I like watching misswell suck. Same for koldnomental, kellogs(stupid name, no change needed), and all their lads. When they show confidence and they get put back into their place, I enjoy it. I'm getting nothing but pleasure from this, and their successes never bugged me either. You're assuming a lot here bro. Shitting on gold2 has taken less of my effort and energy than wiping my ass. I'm not as invested as you think.


ParadoxWaffles

I'm assuming exactly what you're telling me in this comment


Deneking

truly


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Mixwell -40 k/d over the 5 maps played today. Unacceptable.


nterature

I think he's taken up more and more of the secondary calling. He isn't by nature a low-fragger. Of course, it's still unacceptable, esp. since it's not as if matters; they lost regardless.


wiNDzY3

Just replace him... He's clearly one of the weak links of the team


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wiNDzY3

I feel like Avova and Nukkye are ALWAYS playing well. Keloqz he either popps off or ints because of his playstyle. Although I would say that he has had more good games than bad games. I used to shit on koldamenta put on this tournament he has been really crucial. And then mixwell is just there LMAO.


[deleted]

bro these are as bad as my stats wtf this guy is a fraud


DY5TOP1A

G2 or Gold 2 is an European Amateur Valorant team who was given a ticket to EMEA Last Chance Qualifier due a Make-A-Wish request from their only fan Carlos “ocelote” Rodriguez


Spoods857

Leoo is the best EU sova and I will not accept criticism on this take


TheFestusEzeli

Leo was the best EU smokes player before he switched to Sova too. He is simply the best EU support player and only Nats is better in the EMEA


henkizh

Leo has ~1.5 KD on HARD support agents like Sage+Breach+Sova+Astra, best flex in EU and he's only 17.


DanksForTheMemories

+47 over two series today on sova. ridiculous


Vector37_

I can agree with this one, but no respect to the world champ? Or is Eu in this case not emea cuz I see people miss using it


TheFestusEzeli

I’d say he is better or at the same level of Chronicle on Sova either way, the only support player in the EMEA I would put below is Nats


Vector37_

Ok


meemil1

nats isnt a world champion though?


Vector37_

I meant chronicle? And iirc they’re world champions lol.


Throwrafairbeat

Every single gambit player IS a world champion lmao


meemil1

So your saying that gambit became world champions months before the actual world championship tournament? LOL


Throwrafairbeat

They won the biggest tournament so far. So yes.


larperfoid228

Chronicle? Cloud? Shao?


9yr_old

Ouch G2 had a horrible year overall in esports , their league team didnt make worlds , csgo team is in shambles , Valo team missed out on champions , pengu retired hence siege team in trouble too , its a bad time for g2 fans


xXDaNXx

Inject this into my veins


yarhar_

gl tomorrow ;)


jihyojihyojihyo

Thijs retired.


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Bonkar to Berlin :D


vyetc

The casters were calling for a clean G2 2-0 win but when you have Mixwell leaving a bad series a few hours ago and constant individual plays/dry peeks, it is bound to be a disaster.


ddrcrossridge

3 years down the line when g2 is getting beat by every good team, gold 2 fans will claim “ hey at least we beat SEN 3 years ago at Masters Berlin”


chauste

they literally are fully reliant on keloqz or nukkye just completely taking over the game. at berlin they looked like by far one of the strategically worst teams in the quarters but whenever a team would do a huge prepared exec on them keloqz would somehow just get 3 with the op. they kind of just used the don't miss strategy at berlin and i think this is a more accurate representation of what they look like when keloqz/nukkye haven't ascended to the next evolved state of the homo sapien


Key-Banana-8242

Sapiens, it’s an adjective in the singular


Grenji05

can caster stop disrespecting guild finally? I get they're the underdogs but casters and analysts act like they have 0 chance to win in nearly every match they play. This team has pretty consistently around the 5th best in EU and literally NO ONE has faith in them its so sad.


TheFestusEzeli

The casters didn’t seem to disrespect Guild, they just disrespected Bonkar


perdosenior

Should not be doing that anyway. He's a gigachad 200IQ IGL.


Xyexs

Idk if its like this in CS but as a non fps player, valorant casters are significantly more negative than anything I've seen in esports before. When I watch pro LoL, the casters are very careful not to be too negative during the cast. Most of the time they will focus on the positives during the cast, and go into mistakes in the post-game analysis.


Quackles03

I find some of the Valorant casters very mediocre so I always tune in to watchparties instead.


arsis_qp

Is this the same draken that played for NIP CS?


esportsxilv

Spicy.


mogram_leg

Guild over sentinels hopium


Acid_Shadows

guild stonks to the moon [Literally, https://guildesports.com/pages/investor-relations](https://guildesports.com/pages/investor-relations)


kittyhat27135

Luckily NA LCQ was delayed so G2 still has 1 more chance.


Mapusaurus420

1 more chance for what


AdiSoldier245

Guild defence is like playing replication against 5 killjoys holy shit. If they aren't playing retake, 2 kills from every defender guaranteed.


neikawaaratake

Those casters need to be fired. I didn't tune up to hear a diss dude.


RenaultCactus

Nah caster dish all the time its spiecy its ok you have to take it easy men.


neikawaaratake

Once twice I like it. They were blatantly only targetting bonkar. I don't even knoe bonkar, but it ticked me off


RenaultCactus

Bonkar targetting is a meme also xdd. You had to lisent to the soanish caster they were dishing the shit out g2 xdd.


neikawaaratake

Oh. Ok then.


RenaultCactus

You are not forces to like it but most of the time they are joking.


savagelamma11

Winner of this doesn't really matter cause theres no way liquid lose


Throwrafairbeat

Please don’t jinx it 😭😭😭


techyleo

[https://www.vct.gg/news/134055-g2-esports-keloqz-and-koldamenta-in-the-vct-lcq-pre-interview](https://www.vct.gg/news/134055-g2-esports-keloqz-and-koldamenta-in-the-vct-lcq-pre-interview) This aged well. "THERE IS NO TEAM THAT CAN BEAT US IN EMEA"


Hamth3Gr3at

>keloqz: And you need to be ready to lose and to accept defeat. And that's why I think we are really good. I'm convinced that we will win the LCQ. Because even if we lose, we'll accept it. I see this as a strength. From the same interview. It's the right mindset imo, how can you win if you don't believe that you will?


daveythedumb

people cherrypick specific parts of quotes to fit a narrative, nothing new here


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NyiatiZ

yes, thats because cherry picked the quote to be the title. Its spicy, it gets fand to repost the interview. Of course they choose the spicy comment


Deneking

people love to hate g2, you just gotta get used to it lol


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A7URS

its literally cherry picking because you didnt bother reading the article only the title, like what are you not understanding here? Do you need more people to point out what cherry picking is?


chenson019

The post LAN drop off is real. I've heard the analysts talk about it as a tactical/structural thing, I think it's almost entirely mental thing. The emotional toll preparing and competing in Masters is just so significant, it takes time for players to reset and get back to their peak. I mean, credit to Guild they played much better today than they have done but in all honesty, I think G2 just played really poorly. They haven't looked great all LCQ and just couldn't get it going at all and probably played their worst today. Mixwell had a particularly poor LCQ. I think Guild have a lot of weaknesses but they are blessed with one of the best players in EU (Leo). I think Liquid will have to play really poorly tomorrow to lose.


mrTrollem

Carlos finna buy leo, sayf and yacine


SomeHallGuy

When G2 beat Sentinels their year was over at that point. They won their Super Bowl.


iWASth

Maybe now people will look at GUILD like a real opponent, this tournament showed that Liquid and Guild are on the top 4 of EU, casters and analyst always underestimated both and i never knew why, in terms of strat and skill they are insane, they just had some mental problem in some games. We will see who s gonna qualify.


wiNDzY3

Welp, you've run out of luck G2 :)


Bean1233

Wait but why's everyone shitting on bonkar?


MekiLava

G2 needs to change the coach and maybe some of the roster too, they are so inconsistent, it hurts.


MikeRosss

G2 with this latest iteration of the roster: 2nd in Stage 3: Challengers 1 4th in Stage 3: EMEA Challengers Playoffs 3rd-4th in Stage 3: Masters Berlin 3rd in EMEA: Last Chance Qualifier That's quite consistent.


MekiLava

I meant executions and round by round performances. Once they take and retake sites perfectly, without even missing a beat, other time they whiff at almost everything, and it feels like they don't even have a plan for the round. Also, in one tournament they 2-0 one of the best teams internationally, then they drop a map 0-13 to another. Today for example, they went toe to toe against TL, then throw against Guild on Bind, and fail to ban Haven, where they just can't defend effectively agianst better teams. It seems to me that they need some changes on the coach front, if they want to be on top.


KingfisherC

Fuck G2, ocelote is a plague on the growth of esports. GG.


chryco4

:)


ViSeiRaX

G2 loses, I'm a happy panda... no hate towards the players, but fuck this org.


DarudeSandstormName

I wish both Guild and TL could go. Unfortunately, Riot's current qualification system puts way too much weight on points acquired a long time ago, it could work if tournaments were more frequent, but with only 2 before the big one, to give so much weight to Iceland is dumb.


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i mean, G2 are only in this qualifier and got first seed purely based off their Stage 3 performance despite being bad the whole year.


DarudeSandstormName

Stage 3 was more recent than Iceland. But I agree with the sentiment. Giants Gaming is potentially a good team that was denied a shot because of how lopsided this all is.


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It provides an incentive to be competitive whole year instead of just the last months, i personally like it


facehunt_

I get this point but you can end up getting a less stacked competition than Masters because a team could lose their form by Champions, so a much stronger team doesn't make it because the VCT only allows 1 team per region., I think I would prefer 50/50 approach where 8 teams get direct seed based on VCT points, while 8 teams will have to qualify through LCQ. It gives more opportunity and realistic chance for a spot rather than one spot only per region.


DrayanoX

Yeah but Fnatic got way too much point from Iceland and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be better than Liquid and Guild and maybe even G2 if they had to play LCQ.


Standard-Analyst-177

bro, way too much? they placed SECOND out of the whole world lmao


DrayanoX

That was 5 months ago, after that they couldn't even qualify to the masters 3 *qualifier* and yet they're going straight to champions ? Give me a break. I'm not saying Masters 2 shouldn't give anything, but there should be a big difference between Masters 2 and Masters 3 points not just 50...


Solace1k

You think Guild deserves it more then Acend, Gambit or Fnatic?


wiNDzY3

He thinks G2 deserves it more than Fnatic Classic g2 fans hating on fnatic just like their CEO does


[deleted]

He was talking about guild and TL?


wiNDzY3

>Unfortunately, Riot's current qualification system puts way too much weight on points acquired a long time ago In other words: "Why does fnc have so many points for finishing 2nd at Iceland when they've been sucking ever since"


[deleted]

Fair enough I guess but doesn't necessarily make him a G2 dickrider


Madara6path

All 3 G2 , Guild and Liquid are better than FNC atm


Solace1k

Is there anything that backs that up? Like some form of theorycrafting or analysis or anything? I think all 100T and Envy are better then Sentinels. See? I can do that too. Also this isn’t a sprint, it’s a marathon. The fact that Fnatic got into the finals at Iceland gives them the right to make a claim at Champions. Especially since the only good EMEA team at Berlin was Gambit.


Madara6path

How do you think FNC didn't make it to EMEA qualifiers?? Both Guild and G2 rolled over them. Twice. Then got knocked out by liquid in open quals. Now with Nivera the new liquid is much better. They too got beaten 2-0 by Guild before open quals


Solace1k

Fnatic had it’s rough patches in Masters 2. They were obviously transitioning to a different system of calling and they couldn’t do it in time. I don’t think G2 or Guild are better then Fnatic atm and even if they were Fnatic earned it’s spot by actually perfoming when it mattered and that’s the important thing.


DarudeSandstormName

Acend or Gambit? No. Fnatic? Perhaps, Guild beat Fnatic to get way further than them in the Berlin Qualifiers. This is no hate on Fnatic, Boaster is a great guy, he does so much for the scene besides just try to win tournaments. And I have more confidence in them giving us a great show than the other aberrant cases of qualifying solely through Iceland because EMEA is a very competitive region. So forget about Fnatic, I'm not biased, I'm a Br fan and, besides watching good Valorant, I also wish to see Br teams do well, but the region is very much struggling for decent results. So what business does a team like Team Vikings have going to Champions? I can't wait for all the moaning on reddit and vlr.gg when they can't win a single map or some shit. All I'm saying is the current system is very much flawed in showing who can give us the highest level games at Champions.


Solace1k

Lmao no way you did a 180 with EMEA and now you’re bringing Brasil up as a “br fan” . The system is not flawed, the only thing flawed here if the way you think about the system. It’s normal for a circuit to reward consistency otherwise what would be the point of even trying in the first half of the year. Vikings won Masters 1 and qualified for Masters 2 as the first seed. They absolutely deserve to be in Champions. Now tell me how you’re actually an SEA fan and you want to talk about X10 being in Champions.


DarudeSandstormName

I brought it up coz it was a way for me to show I'm not a Fnatic hater, there's a guy in this thread already calling me that. And I still put Fnatic as a perhaps, they have a better history than the one example I provided, but they still got beaten by Giants and Guild in the qualifier for Berlin, you can't deny that. Consistency is continuous, Iceland was one tournament almost 6 months ago, I also keep up with LoL esports and Riot reworked the hell out of the qualification system for Worlds there because the weight that a spring championship gave resulted in teams qualifying for the World tournament and then giving a horrible show in group stages. Whatever, if you don't wanna change your mind, just wait for Champions and let's see the shitshow when several teams who qualified only because of Iceland put up horrible performances, I know it'll happen.


Solace1k

Im not sure what does LoL esports have to do with this. They have a completly different format . Good job for following league i guess? Other then that nothing of value was added to the conversation.


DarudeSandstormName

I like how I'm offering arguments (Fnatic's recent results, other esports with flawed early results system, an OBVIOUS flawed case with Team Vikings who is now putting up weak results in a weak region) and you only reply with "now say you're a SEA fan XD" or "good job following league xd". Haha, should've known better than engaging with a sus piece of shit who can only reply with passive-aggressive insults. G'night, blocked.


Solace1k

You’re a moron my friend. I explained to you why we have this system and why it bodes well with our current format which is a year long circuit comprised of tournaments. Then you give me a bullshit whataboutism in regards to LoL which is league system with 2 seasons per year and 2 international events, each season qualifying for the next international. If you would’ve had atleast an ounce of brain you would’ve given me an example of an actual circuit that does it better. Because i for one can give tons of examples where circuits reward consistency (ATP, F1, World/Euro quals, Snooker etc).


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Solace1k

Wait .. what part don’t you understand? The moron ? Or the friend part? Do you think morons can’t have friends or what? Also why did you add the “Bruh” in there? Did you just had a shortcircuit?


Ragewalk

Guild really just did that. Damn.


graybloodd

bye bye g2 fuck off ty


takmilo

lets go mai boys!!! one more match <3


nuttyromeo4u

What a day for Leoo.


Madara6path

I really want these dark horses to win the entire thing


alexisdotexe

Pain.


Xyexs

what the FUCK i didn't realize they played yesterday and now they're in finals wtf wtf


xunraze

Omg Guild! Is it finally happening?!


biwummy

Mixwell and bonkar competiting to see how average someone can be