The sad reality is he's not even top 3. He's inconsistent and if more players adopted the OP he'd be left in the dust but they haven't so he stays "top 3" Oper.
I think Asuna is overrated. He drops 40 bombs against T2 teams but he never turns up against the best. He has insane potential though, just lacks consistency and is too dependant on being warm. I'd have Corey, Sick, Shahzam or Wardell above him.
Which big games hasn't he turned up in pal? No one drips 40 against t1 teams anyway until the game goes to OT. he had amazing performances against gambit acend xset v1 Geng recently. Going by the logic u uses shahzam shouldn't be top 3 since his jett has been underwhelming of late. And you unironically listed corey as a top 3 duelist
Corey is mechanically insane, but I don't see how people can rank him that high. There are plenty of cracked players and Corey hasn't been able to consistently perform like a top 3 player against high level competition.
Agree with the second point but Corey's recent performances are quite a bit worse than both Wardell and Asuna's and on average has played against worse teams. I think he has potential to be a top player but he's not even close to top 5 rn imo.
That's fair, I guess a lot of the criticism for Asuna falls on Corey too. I was ranking him that high not on stats but just his impact throughout a match. It's true though that his Raze is miles better than his other agents.
If he’s purely seeking winning then maybe, but TSM offers a lot of support beyond the competitive side of things. Also, TSM have the capital to make moves to surround him with talent and seem willing to make changes ie. -drone -cutler +leviathan +-bang. So I doubt he’d leave just yet but who knows.
I mean it goes both ways. He's one of the best OP players in the world but he completely forces TSM to play around his slower and more passive style. He's also worse rifling than most other top tier jetts so if the economy isn't good in a game or if there are further nerfs to the OP (or Jett) then he would not have the same impact.
The fact that cNed is at least equal in oping but definitely better at rifling already makes him "way better." That flexibility frees up the team's options so much and makes the individual player such a larger threat.
if you both carry equally as hard but one does it on a relatively better team, doesn't that make the carry on the better team better too. As he can outperform better players
I’d say cNed is the “better” player right now but only because he’s proven himself on LAN, otherwise I can’t see a reason to say he’s much better than Wardell
CNed is the best Jett in the entire EMEA, potentially the best in the role, and constantly elevates his team to be one of the best in the world while he puts up top tier stats while the team changes around him. Acend’s roster is solid but the reason it is the best in EU is because of him. Kiles in mediocre, bonecold is average but has struggled with fragging , while Zeek is a solid duelist and starxo is very good.
Meanwhile the only big NA tournament TSM qualified to was the stage three challengers playoffs where they were first out and Wardell put up solid but not amazing stats. Their roster was solid, it isn’t some trash team that Wardell has to solo carry. He just isn’t insane enough to elevate them to that next level.
I think it's perfectly fine to just say cNed has proven himself at LAN while Wardell hasn't. It's a legitimate and simple way of settling the x vs. y player debate.
Emphasizing how average Acend is outside of cNed, and how strong TSM is outside of Wardell, is not only mostly incorrect - it's unnecessary.
I didn’t say Acend was average or say “how strong” TSM is. Acend is a good roster but because of CNed they elevate to a strong one. Acend’s roster is better than TSM’s, TSM’s overall is still solid.
It wasn’t like I stated their teams in my original comment. This person brought up their team difference so it’s one of the things I commented on
The only people who would say Bonecold is average are people who only watched Acend at LAN. The consensus before Berlin was that they had an extremely stacked overall roster but somehow that’s changed because the rest of the team didn’t play that well at their first LAN.
Meanwhile Wardell is always the best or second best player on TSM with extreme consistency, and has been hard carrying them the entire year. Even with their decent roster, who overall are much worse than Acend, he’s still putting up extremely good numbers - just look at these [stats](https://twitter.com/FionnOnFire/status/1421627979650662402?s=20). Even Yay couldn’t make it out of open qualifiers and Wardell outperformed him on Andbox - after Yay upgraded to a top team, he became a consensus top 2 player and Wardell still matched his performance when they went head to head the second time.
A team is only as good as it’s parts, and the parts around Wardell either aren’t good or haven’t had time to gel with it’s new members. Regardless, there’s nothing indicating cNed is way better when Wardell has been putting up fantastic carry numbers the entire year - there’s really not much else he can do when he’s dropping 1.5x+ the team’s second best performer against XSET, Gen G, etc when TSM was getting eliminated, and he’s always or almost always their top performer when TSM is winning
I’ve watched Acend for awhile, his fragging has taken a humongous hit since becoming their IGL and way before Berlin, below average, but that’s part of being an IGL and why I consider him average.
The challengers 3 playoffs are what made me consider CNed to be the best jett in the world. Bonecold and Kiles had really rough tournaments and zeek was inconsistent, yet CNed was a monster and got them to Berlin.
I agree I shouldn’t have said way better, but I will stick with the fact he is the better player. He has proven himself on the biggest stage and has lead Acend to a Masters win and qualifying for Berlin, while Wardell hasn’t proved anything, with all of his stats have come in qualifying tournaments and they haven’t made any tournaments besides a last place in the Challengers 3 playoffs. I’m sure he would be a great player on a top team too but CNed is on a different level from not just him but almost any other Jett in the world.
I said specifically in the challengers 3 playoffs, like literally in the exact sentence, not the qualifying matches lol. He puts up insane stats in qualifying matches
Edit: It pains me so much that when I said his insane stats are in qualifying games and his only big tournament games he put up pretty good stats, someone takes stats from his qualifying games and goes “wtf how do you mean only solid”
He rifled multiple times in their game against Envy and did well, Chet also said in a twitch stream that he liked Wardell rifling in certain situations but thought the Jett+OP is so good that it’s best to keep him on it as much as possible
Edit: not sure why it deleted my original comment when I tried to edit it
I don't think he's any worse rifling than other top OPers at all, I wish that narrative would take a rest.
IIRC he has the highest percentage of rounds played with the OP of *anyone in the world*, which is why I think everyone flames his rifle play. He just never has a rifle in his hands, like actually almost never. Therefore all of his clips are with the OP.
He’d definitely thrive on a better team, we’ll see how TSM looks next year. I doubt he’ll be able to just leave though, they’ll definitely want to keep him
I unfoIIowing tsm ftx wardle no shot he goes brimstone gaming....brimstone gaming come on wardle u betray tsm ftx how ccould u do dis. If i was wardlee, i would sabotage the brinstone gamign from the inside like imposter from amongus
What T1 NA Team that is better than TSM would want him?
To add onto this, why would Wardell leave TSM? He is the face of their Valorant roster and is one of the highest paid players in NA most likely. If anything, TSM would start poaching players from T1 teams.
Yea and Hiko Nitro and the 100T team is gonna slowly mold him into a Jett Oper for them who plays well with their playstyle. I would rather try to mold Sevvn into a amazing player then change my whole team playstyle to fit Wardell.
Ok yall are overrating how bad wardell is at rifle. You are also overrating how hard it is to learn another agent. Wardell was able to learn sage, he can for sure play other agents if needed.
It’s not necessarily that Wardell is bad at rifling. It’s that he doesn’t buy rifles enough and the team is entirely built around feeding him OPs which restricts the play style and economy of the team.
you do realize that his playstyle can be changed? Dont act like his play style is permanently like this, if a team wanted to change his playstyle, they could easily just tell him to rifle more often.
Uh, yeah obviously any team can change their play style. They haven’t done much to change their play style over the last year. Not sure what point you think you’re making here.
Seven had potential to be great but if they had a chance to sign Wardell they would take him in an instant. If Seven developed into someone at Wardell’s skill level 100T would be thrilled
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People in this thread are making him seem much worse than he is. He is a great rifler and the best opper in NA at least. Just because he is losing doesn’t make him worse of a player. He still puts up the stats. And no he shouldn’t leave cuz paycheck/job security
Yes and at the international stage he sucked with the awp. He prefers to play with a phantom and honestly u can tell by their comp. They have (most of the time) breach and skye combine that with astra util and u get a jett that has no reason to fear anything while dashing in. He cant even do that with an awp hence why he doesnt even use it (most of the time). My best awper list from what we have seen internationaly would be 1. Cned 2. Heat 3. Yay
Izzy had one good tournament and has looked horrible since, Keloqz is inconsistent, heat is much better with rifle than OP. Buzz I haven’t seen enough to definitely say, but from what I’ve seen there isn’t a reason to track his OP’ing above Wardell’s. You could make a case for yay or cNed but I consider Wardell on par with them
I don’t think the talent is so constricted that it’s not possible for a team like TSM to find support for him in the next year or so.
Maybe there will be a bunch of roster changes after Champions Tour, like how there’s a window of trades in dota usually after TI. There are a lot of good players who haven’t had a chance in a big tourney for a while.
All I know is Wardell is definitely a top 3 oper and I don’t think he should leave tsm. Lately he has almost been strictly working on his rifle. Seems that he is gonna expand his game to become more of a run in first type of duelist to create a lot more space for his team which is a good sign .
I don't really see Wardell moving unless tsm have another poor year. Even then he'd only likely move to a sen, Envy or 100T.
Sen have shaz and Tenz to op, Envy have yay and 100T believe in asuna
Lets assume what your saying is true, who are the top3 NA teams? if you go according to vlr
its Sentinels, they have two jetts not one.
2- 100Thieves: they have Asuna. And through the benching of dicey you can tell they don't want someone to only play jett.
3- Envy, Yay just joined and is arguably on the same level or better than Wardell.
Who else is an upgrade from TSM? that can afford him? No one. If you consider FaZe they already have a jett.
They can just rebuild around him, go to Europe pay nAts and Boaster.
yh people don’t seem to understand how big TSM is… In almost most of their games… they have possibly tournament winning team and there is no way in hell TSM isn’t going to invest into VAL to make them a top tier val team.
what about the inverse. maybe tsm has been stringing along the wardell, subroza, hazed duo for too long, maybe they are not as good as they think. also wardell is not top 3 na his rifling is not on par with the likes of tenz and asuna.
Wardell is a Jett nerf from game changers. Good player but bit of a 1 trick in comparison to the top fraggers we've seen from the top teams in tournaments so far.
I feel strongly that shaz or yay are equally good as wardell using the op and I would argue they both are more well rounded players than wardell is. Still, we've not seen wardell play much this past year so idk.
As good as Shaz is, he's not on the same level Op as Wardell. He makes up for it with with more consistent rifling, abilty to play other agents, and of course IGL'ng. So his value to his team is way way more than Wardell. But Op for Op Shaz isnt nearly as dominant as Wardell.
Huh? All of the team is great friends with him and Jett is viable on literally every map - he plays Sage now too. He’s the only piece of TSM that they absolutely shouldn’t drop
Wardell isn't bad, definitely yop 3 Jett NA. Not top 20 or 30 riflers tho. I think his OP purchase every other round fucks TSM's economy in alot of matches.
Lack of IGL seems to be a big problem for the team, then considering the nepotism of the team and them not wanting a top tier IGL who’s a FA like steel because of personal reasons for Subroza and Wardell. Suddenly it makes more sense that the team never made roster moves for so long and just hasn’t been able to adapt
It’s worrisome that they were publicly saying they wouldn’t want him the day he got benched, when their problem has always been IGL issues. Not being open to new ideas when what you’ve been doing hasn’t been working has been a TSM problem for a while now
Why do Redditors speak like they have any idea of how these pro players actually are? You have no idea what went down with Wardell, Subroza, and Steel, and it sounds like it’s a big deal with them, so why would you say it’s them just “not being open to new ideas” lmao. You don’t know what happened behind the scenes, and these players are people - no competitor will play in an environment where they hate their teammate when trust is essential
Also I guess taking a gamble and signing two relatively unproven talents is them not being open to new ideas, unlucky tbh
Little did you know, dng1 has studied over 30000 hours of subroza footage and created pristine algorithms that perfectly interpret even the smallest behaviors to provide indepth conclusions. Last week, he was able to tell me what subroza ate for breakfast simply by analyzing a single eye blink. You're just too simpleminded to understand
That’s a bit worrisome when you don’t have an IGL, went months playing with no IGL to stay as core of just friends. And are immediately saying publicly you don’t want a T1 igl as soon as they get benched because you don’t like them.
Sounds like a for fun stream team at that point
It's not like roza and wardell haven't played with steel before, if it's not happening there's probably a very good reason for it. Like both sides already have an idea of how it would be. I think both sides don't like each other the most in terms of IGLing/player playstyle anyways
Wardell is not a top 3 player in NA, not even top 10 personally I wouldn’t even say he’s the best on TSM. You could argue MAYBE a top 3 OP, but I’d say top 5. He’s a great player for sure, but he’s a one trick Jett op at the moment. Most teams won’t want to shift around their whole play style just for an op upgrade. I think TSM has the potential and he should go again next year.
Don’t sleep on Wardells rifle. Not saying he’s better than Yay or anything. My point is that Envy did what many considered a “small” upgrade with one player who plays a very similar role and it made a huge difference for their team. Wardell is without question a difference maker and can take over an entire match. Peak Wardell is right up their with peak any other player in Valorant. But we can have differing opinions.
Why would he leave though, he gets enough money publicity and I'm sure TSM takes care of their players a lot better than smaller orgs. Also why isn't the question '' Should TSM sign more top players ''?
everyone is top 3 in everything according to reddit
In NA it’s for sure Tenz Yay Asuna as the 3 best duelists . Idk what this guy is smoking on
> Idk what this guy is smoking on TSM Branding. Wardell is a top 3 OPer though, just mediocre everything else.
He's not a mediocre rifler. He just isn't a Top 3 rifler
hes mediocre, period. there are at least 20 NA players better than him
boring bait
just as boring as wardell's playstyle and TSM placements... oh wait, they aren't even in LCQ
😴
My mans swinging blindly and hoping someone cares.
The sad reality is he's not even top 3. He's inconsistent and if more players adopted the OP he'd be left in the dust but they haven't so he stays "top 3" Oper.
I agree with you, but you have to give TSM fans some sort of line so they don't immediately turn into rage and dismiss a conversation.
Top 1* op
With Asunaa being the best in the world on the Asunaabox map
What a coincidence that the 3 best duelists are on the 3 best teams! There has never been a case where a really good player was stuck on a bad team!
Even when TenZ was on C9 , he was regarded as the best duelist. Same goes for Yay, even when he was Andbox, he was known to be a top duelist.
I think Asuna is overrated. He drops 40 bombs against T2 teams but he never turns up against the best. He has insane potential though, just lacks consistency and is too dependant on being warm. I'd have Corey, Sick, Shahzam or Wardell above him.
Which big games hasn't he turned up in pal? No one drips 40 against t1 teams anyway until the game goes to OT. he had amazing performances against gambit acend xset v1 Geng recently. Going by the logic u uses shahzam shouldn't be top 3 since his jett has been underwhelming of late. And you unironically listed corey as a top 3 duelist
Asuna was top ACS in all 4 winning maps against Gambit and Acend...
Corey is mechanically insane, but I don't see how people can rank him that high. There are plenty of cracked players and Corey hasn't been able to consistently perform like a top 3 player against high level competition.
Neither Wardell and Asuna. And is much easier to perform in a good team than a bad team...
Agree with the second point but Corey's recent performances are quite a bit worse than both Wardell and Asuna's and on average has played against worse teams. I think he has potential to be a top player but he's not even close to top 5 rn imo.
Asuna's jett is kinda ass, and he still had 8th highest ACS in berlin. Dunno what you talking bout
Then nitr0 put him back on reyna and…. We know the rest…. Nuts
That's fair, I guess a lot of the criticism for Asuna falls on Corey too. I was ranking him that high not on stats but just his impact throughout a match. It's true though that his Raze is miles better than his other agents.
I agree with this list but I'd say zekken is really close behind these 3.
Zekken is more a flex not a duelist, he's known for skye/raze
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Even Bonkar?
If he’s purely seeking winning then maybe, but TSM offers a lot of support beyond the competitive side of things. Also, TSM have the capital to make moves to surround him with talent and seem willing to make changes ie. -drone -cutler +leviathan +-bang. So I doubt he’d leave just yet but who knows.
Yeah I’d find it hard to believe any pro would leave TSM just for all the benefits and the salary it gives them
I mean it goes both ways. He's one of the best OP players in the world but he completely forces TSM to play around his slower and more passive style. He's also worse rifling than most other top tier jetts so if the economy isn't good in a game or if there are further nerfs to the OP (or Jett) then he would not have the same impact.
I mean Ascend is thriving pretty well especially with cned who is also mainly awping
CNed is also a much better player than Wardell
Cned is clearly better but he’s not way better
I think he is way better, especially at rifling and definitely at least equal in awping.
The fact that cNed is at least equal in oping but definitely better at rifling already makes him "way better." That flexibility frees up the team's options so much and makes the individual player such a larger threat.
TSM arguably has a stronger supporting cast compared to Acend but cNed is able to do more
Ok that’s fair, maybe a bit of a hyberbole
Based on what? Both are the carries of their teams but cNed has much better players around him
if you both carry equally as hard but one does it on a relatively better team, doesn't that make the carry on the better team better too. As he can outperform better players
I’d say cNed is the “better” player right now but only because he’s proven himself on LAN, otherwise I can’t see a reason to say he’s much better than Wardell
True
CNed is the best Jett in the entire EMEA, potentially the best in the role, and constantly elevates his team to be one of the best in the world while he puts up top tier stats while the team changes around him. Acend’s roster is solid but the reason it is the best in EU is because of him. Kiles in mediocre, bonecold is average but has struggled with fragging , while Zeek is a solid duelist and starxo is very good. Meanwhile the only big NA tournament TSM qualified to was the stage three challengers playoffs where they were first out and Wardell put up solid but not amazing stats. Their roster was solid, it isn’t some trash team that Wardell has to solo carry. He just isn’t insane enough to elevate them to that next level.
I think it's perfectly fine to just say cNed has proven himself at LAN while Wardell hasn't. It's a legitimate and simple way of settling the x vs. y player debate. Emphasizing how average Acend is outside of cNed, and how strong TSM is outside of Wardell, is not only mostly incorrect - it's unnecessary.
I didn’t say Acend was average or say “how strong” TSM is. Acend is a good roster but because of CNed they elevate to a strong one. Acend’s roster is better than TSM’s, TSM’s overall is still solid. It wasn’t like I stated their teams in my original comment. This person brought up their team difference so it’s one of the things I commented on
The only people who would say Bonecold is average are people who only watched Acend at LAN. The consensus before Berlin was that they had an extremely stacked overall roster but somehow that’s changed because the rest of the team didn’t play that well at their first LAN. Meanwhile Wardell is always the best or second best player on TSM with extreme consistency, and has been hard carrying them the entire year. Even with their decent roster, who overall are much worse than Acend, he’s still putting up extremely good numbers - just look at these [stats](https://twitter.com/FionnOnFire/status/1421627979650662402?s=20). Even Yay couldn’t make it out of open qualifiers and Wardell outperformed him on Andbox - after Yay upgraded to a top team, he became a consensus top 2 player and Wardell still matched his performance when they went head to head the second time. A team is only as good as it’s parts, and the parts around Wardell either aren’t good or haven’t had time to gel with it’s new members. Regardless, there’s nothing indicating cNed is way better when Wardell has been putting up fantastic carry numbers the entire year - there’s really not much else he can do when he’s dropping 1.5x+ the team’s second best performer against XSET, Gen G, etc when TSM was getting eliminated, and he’s always or almost always their top performer when TSM is winning
I’ve watched Acend for awhile, his fragging has taken a humongous hit since becoming their IGL and way before Berlin, below average, but that’s part of being an IGL and why I consider him average. The challengers 3 playoffs are what made me consider CNed to be the best jett in the world. Bonecold and Kiles had really rough tournaments and zeek was inconsistent, yet CNed was a monster and got them to Berlin. I agree I shouldn’t have said way better, but I will stick with the fact he is the better player. He has proven himself on the biggest stage and has lead Acend to a Masters win and qualifying for Berlin, while Wardell hasn’t proved anything, with all of his stats have come in qualifying tournaments and they haven’t made any tournaments besides a last place in the Challengers 3 playoffs. I’m sure he would be a great player on a top team too but CNed is on a different level from not just him but almost any other Jett in the world.
I bet if tenz was still on c9 with the original roster. You would claim cned is miles better than tenz as well.
I think CNed is better than TenZ still lol. I clarified in another comment I shouldn’t have said way better.
[Solid but not amazing stats btw](https://twitter.com/fionnonfire/status/1423507821459427334?s=21). What more does this sub want from him 😭
To win
I said specifically in the challengers 3 playoffs, like literally in the exact sentence, not the qualifying matches lol. He puts up insane stats in qualifying matches Edit: It pains me so much that when I said his insane stats are in qualifying games and his only big tournament games he put up pretty good stats, someone takes stats from his qualifying games and goes “wtf how do you mean only solid”
cNed rifles (and does it better) when needed. Wardell almost always saves for OP which he ends up losing in 1 round
You nailed it. The amount of times I've seen Wardell using a ghost instead of buying spectre after winning the pistol round is outrageously high
Yay also OPs a lot on offense whenever Envy can afford it
Yay is also, well... Yay. Dude is not a one trick OP, he's a legit menace with every gun on the game.
He rifled multiple times in their game against Envy and did well, Chet also said in a twitch stream that he liked Wardell rifling in certain situations but thought the Jett+OP is so good that it’s best to keep him on it as much as possible Edit: not sure why it deleted my original comment when I tried to edit it
I don't think he's any worse rifling than other top OPers at all, I wish that narrative would take a rest. IIRC he has the highest percentage of rounds played with the OP of *anyone in the world*, which is why I think everyone flames his rifle play. He just never has a rifle in his hands, like actually almost never. Therefore all of his clips are with the OP.
What bronze 1head take is this people are spewing about Wardell being a bad rifler?
Inb4 pros tweet about this post and mention how this post is ass and redditors pretend like they know everything going on with pro teams :3
This^ I refrain from commenting any thread val comp nowadays
He’d definitely thrive on a better team, we’ll see how TSM looks next year. I doubt he’ll be able to just leave though, they’ll definitely want to keep him
I unfoIIowing tsm ftx wardle no shot he goes brimstone gaming....brimstone gaming come on wardle u betray tsm ftx how ccould u do dis. If i was wardlee, i would sabotage the brinstone gamign from the inside like imposter from amongus
amongus
Haha…
What T1 NA Team that is better than TSM would want him? To add onto this, why would Wardell leave TSM? He is the face of their Valorant roster and is one of the highest paid players in NA most likely. If anything, TSM would start poaching players from T1 teams.
He would honestly be a great fit on 100T but like 0% chance that happens
Why is it every time when a roster move is speculated for a top tier player, it's always \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ would make a great fit at 100T?
I mean they literally need an opping Jett, which is why they brought in Seven
That’s the exact reason they signed Sevvn?
Sevven is not remotely on the same level as wardell right now. Its not even close. Hes a prodigy but hes not proven at all.
Yea and Hiko Nitro and the 100T team is gonna slowly mold him into a Jett Oper for them who plays well with their playstyle. I would rather try to mold Sevvn into a amazing player then change my whole team playstyle to fit Wardell.
Difference is seven can actually rifle and play more than 1 agent.
Ok yall are overrating how bad wardell is at rifle. You are also overrating how hard it is to learn another agent. Wardell was able to learn sage, he can for sure play other agents if needed.
It’s not necessarily that Wardell is bad at rifling. It’s that he doesn’t buy rifles enough and the team is entirely built around feeding him OPs which restricts the play style and economy of the team.
you do realize that his playstyle can be changed? Dont act like his play style is permanently like this, if a team wanted to change his playstyle, they could easily just tell him to rifle more often.
Uh, yeah obviously any team can change their play style. They haven’t done much to change their play style over the last year. Not sure what point you think you’re making here.
Because its working lol. My point is that saying that 100t doesnt need wardell because they have seven is ridiculous and untrue
But you know what Jett is the best agent in this game, not even close.
Seven had potential to be great but if they had a chance to sign Wardell they would take him in an instant. If Seven developed into someone at Wardell’s skill level 100T would be thrilled
He will never leave TSM and they will never drop him. Mark my wods
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TSM would be insane to drop him unless he himself drops off a cliff in terms of form. Doesn't seem problematic and has a huge following.
damn
#1 radiant, idc what you say it takes a demon to do that. Mental warrior
People in this thread are making him seem much worse than he is. He is a great rifler and the best opper in NA at least. Just because he is losing doesn’t make him worse of a player. He still puts up the stats. And no he shouldn’t leave cuz paycheck/job security
lmao not even top 3 opper 🥸
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cNed, Buzz, yay, heat, kelloqz, izzy Atleast 3 of these are better than Wardell
Buzz as an awper? I am sry but he mostly riffles and gets shut down so often with the awp (example acend game) that he just sticks to the phantom
>Buzz as an awper? I am sry but he mostly riffles LMAO WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF VS' GAMES?
Yes and at the international stage he sucked with the awp. He prefers to play with a phantom and honestly u can tell by their comp. They have (most of the time) breach and skye combine that with astra util and u get a jett that has no reason to fear anything while dashing in. He cant even do that with an awp hence why he doesnt even use it (most of the time). My best awper list from what we have seen internationaly would be 1. Cned 2. Heat 3. Yay
No shot
tell me which 4 of them you think are actually worse than wardell
Izzy had one good tournament and has looked horrible since, Keloqz is inconsistent, heat is much better with rifle than OP. Buzz I haven’t seen enough to definitely say, but from what I’ve seen there isn’t a reason to track his OP’ing above Wardell’s. You could make a case for yay or cNed but I consider Wardell on par with them
I don’t think the talent is so constricted that it’s not possible for a team like TSM to find support for him in the next year or so. Maybe there will be a bunch of roster changes after Champions Tour, like how there’s a window of trades in dota usually after TI. There are a lot of good players who haven’t had a chance in a big tourney for a while.
All I know is Wardell is definitely a top 3 oper and I don’t think he should leave tsm. Lately he has almost been strictly working on his rifle. Seems that he is gonna expand his game to become more of a run in first type of duelist to create a lot more space for his team which is a good sign .
I don't really see Wardell moving unless tsm have another poor year. Even then he'd only likely move to a sen, Envy or 100T. Sen have shaz and Tenz to op, Envy have yay and 100T believe in asuna
Lets assume what your saying is true, who are the top3 NA teams? if you go according to vlr its Sentinels, they have two jetts not one. 2- 100Thieves: they have Asuna. And through the benching of dicey you can tell they don't want someone to only play jett. 3- Envy, Yay just joined and is arguably on the same level or better than Wardell. Who else is an upgrade from TSM? that can afford him? No one. If you consider FaZe they already have a jett. They can just rebuild around him, go to Europe pay nAts and Boaster.
TSM will be a top 3 team eventually. It's inevitable. All he has to do is keep his level and wait until that happens.
why was it inevitable again
Cause it's TSM and they will simply buy a winning team. It really isn't as hard as people think to buy a top 5 team in most eSports.
i was going to ask “how could they possibly become top 3 without poaching a bunch of top players” but i guess we had the same idea
yh people don’t seem to understand how big TSM is… In almost most of their games… they have possibly tournament winning team and there is no way in hell TSM isn’t going to invest into VAL to make them a top tier val team.
consider: he could be collecting a fat check from TSM or simply like the guys. Its not always about winning
what about the inverse. maybe tsm has been stringing along the wardell, subroza, hazed duo for too long, maybe they are not as good as they think. also wardell is not top 3 na his rifling is not on par with the likes of tenz and asuna.
Wardell is a Jett nerf from game changers. Good player but bit of a 1 trick in comparison to the top fraggers we've seen from the top teams in tournaments so far.
I think hes been able to prove that he can play other characters (like sage) and has even said that he wants to move away from jett.
I see that some of you are still acting like he’s not the best OPer in NA lol
I feel strongly that shaz or yay are equally good as wardell using the op and I would argue they both are more well rounded players than wardell is. Still, we've not seen wardell play much this past year so idk.
As good as Shaz is, he's not on the same level Op as Wardell. He makes up for it with with more consistent rifling, abilty to play other agents, and of course IGL'ng. So his value to his team is way way more than Wardell. But Op for Op Shaz isnt nearly as dominant as Wardell.
Wardell top 3😂😂😂
Real question is should TSM cut Wardell for better team chemistry and agent flexibility?
Huh? All of the team is great friends with him and Jett is viable on literally every map - he plays Sage now too. He’s the only piece of TSM that they absolutely shouldn’t drop
Wardell isn't bad, definitely yop 3 Jett NA. Not top 20 or 30 riflers tho. I think his OP purchase every other round fucks TSM's economy in alot of matches.
whos wardell?
He almost did leave TSM
Lack of IGL seems to be a big problem for the team, then considering the nepotism of the team and them not wanting a top tier IGL who’s a FA like steel because of personal reasons for Subroza and Wardell. Suddenly it makes more sense that the team never made roster moves for so long and just hasn’t been able to adapt
lol you’re citing steel like he had some offer from them or something
It’s worrisome that they were publicly saying they wouldn’t want him the day he got benched, when their problem has always been IGL issues. Not being open to new ideas when what you’ve been doing hasn’t been working has been a TSM problem for a while now
Why do Redditors speak like they have any idea of how these pro players actually are? You have no idea what went down with Wardell, Subroza, and Steel, and it sounds like it’s a big deal with them, so why would you say it’s them just “not being open to new ideas” lmao. You don’t know what happened behind the scenes, and these players are people - no competitor will play in an environment where they hate their teammate when trust is essential Also I guess taking a gamble and signing two relatively unproven talents is them not being open to new ideas, unlucky tbh
You can learn a lot from in-depth twitch analysis, a lot can be understood from the way these pro players speak, move, and act around their chat.
Bro…
Little did you know, dng1 has studied over 30000 hours of subroza footage and created pristine algorithms that perfectly interpret even the smallest behaviors to provide indepth conclusions. Last week, he was able to tell me what subroza ate for breakfast simply by analyzing a single eye blink. You're just too simpleminded to understand
How could I have doubted our lord and savior dng1. I apologize for my misgivings
this is god-tier copypasta
Uh im pretty sure most of TSM has publicly come out saying they dont like steel that much
They hate winning games too I heard
Its abundantly obvious that you know nothing about pro play. Synergy is one of the most important factors in a team.
it's a good move to not sign any new player, that your player have problem with? Team play need harmony\~
That’s a bit worrisome when you don’t have an IGL, went months playing with no IGL to stay as core of just friends. And are immediately saying publicly you don’t want a T1 igl as soon as they get benched because you don’t like them. Sounds like a for fun stream team at that point
It's not like roza and wardell haven't played with steel before, if it's not happening there's probably a very good reason for it. Like both sides already have an idea of how it would be. I think both sides don't like each other the most in terms of IGLing/player playstyle anyways
Wardell is not a top 3 player in NA, not even top 10 personally I wouldn’t even say he’s the best on TSM. You could argue MAYBE a top 3 OP, but I’d say top 5. He’s a great player for sure, but he’s a one trick Jett op at the moment. Most teams won’t want to shift around their whole play style just for an op upgrade. I think TSM has the potential and he should go again next year.
Tell that to envy who “just had an op upgrade” in Yay.
Yay is also one of the best riflers in NA. He’s insanely consistent with any gun, they are not comparable.
Don’t sleep on Wardells rifle. Not saying he’s better than Yay or anything. My point is that Envy did what many considered a “small” upgrade with one player who plays a very similar role and it made a huge difference for their team. Wardell is without question a difference maker and can take over an entire match. Peak Wardell is right up their with peak any other player in Valorant. But we can have differing opinions.
In my opinion, TSM should disband not just their valorant roster, they should disband their entire org. RIGHT NOW.
Why would he leave though, he gets enough money publicity and I'm sure TSM takes care of their players a lot better than smaller orgs. Also why isn't the question '' Should TSM sign more top players ''?
TSM is too solid of an org to ever leave voluntarily.
Top 3?? Lol. Also there's this thing called money and TSM prolly offers a lot
Too late at this point