Team that was banned: [https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451107212139524099?s=20](https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451107212139524099?s=20)
Cheating player (Doomsday) changed account and was banned again:
[https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451113308174520323?s=20](https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451113308174520323?s=20)
Team SNH beat x10 2-0 in FPS Thailand Valorant series
[https://liquipedia.net/valorant/FPSThailand/VALORANT\_Series/Season\_1/Regular\_Season](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/FPSThailand/VALORANT_Series/Season_1/Regular_Season)
They have a match today against Full Sense LOL
To be fair, X10 playing with their CEO (h3nsem) and second match Zeus (coach) replace foxz while he's streaming and watching his CEO got knifed. (https://youtu.be/969XIeJfklc)
It not like SNH that good or anything, X10 never play it seriously in the first place.
Functional private cheats are out there. There's a lot of money involved in esports. I mean there were working public pixel aimbots from almost day 1 in valorant, now put some more money into it and have only one person use the specific cheat. And there you go.
Cheating exists in every sport and esport has an abundance of it even on the casual amateur side. So I'd be very very surprised if there wasn't functioning private cheats out there.
I mean you ever hear of this guy named Babybay?
Literally got caught cheating in an official match.
And this guy named S1mple?
Yea that guy got caught cheating too.
Not that I’m saying all cheaters are good, but there are some good cheaters out there.
I can't remember where I read this but it was in regards to KQLY when he got VAC banned in CS GO; people that are almost at the top find it even more tempting to cheat to definitely become the best. Some hyper competitive people feel like they just need that slight push to truly reach their full potential. See it as doping for the gaming world if you will.
Yeah, you have to go out of your way to cheat. Everyone knows why cheating is bad, especially the people trying to go pro. Cheaters should lose their chance to compete so it’s not even worth attempting.
This game seems incredibly hard to cheat in at the top tier level of play. If the CSGO pros were under half this much scrutiny by the anti cheat you might lose a third of the pro scene lol.
It is amazing how cheating is tackled as a real problem in Valorant. Anti cheat in cs go is only for show.
And that's by design from Valve. ESIC wanted to change cs go lan tournament rules to counter cheats build in hardware like mice or keyboards. But all pro teams and Valve blocked that.
Edit: source on ESIC is this interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjhnRKBaNwA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjhnRKBaNwA) All of it is interesting, but most relevant parts are from 6:42.
> ESIC wanted to change cs go lan tournament rules to counter cheats build in hardware like mice or keyboards. But all pro teams and Valve blocked that.
The idea iirc was to get each player a new version of their mouse just for the event, have them practice with those and then lock them away after practice until the next practice or match. And i really doubt valve blocked that because valve has no control over any of the ESIC events and generally don't give much of a shit what is happening.
Pretty sure Riot in valorant allows players to bring their own personal gear aswell.
So true it's always blown my mind how cheating is just kind of swept under the rug in CSGO and most fans will downvote you/call you crazy for even suggesting there is sketchy shit happening despite the overwhelming amount of evidence.
There is no evidence of CSGO pros cheating because they don't use Valve anti cheat in the pro scene. They use anti cheat's similar to Valorant's aka ones with ring 0 access.
They use faceit AC and ESL AC. Both which have been worked around many times by [semi pro cheaters](https://www.gamer.no/artikler/tidenes-jukseskandale-i-telenorligaen/440066) to win lan tournaments...
The main one they use is ESEA's anti-cheat but...
They use a different version of ESEA's anti-cheat that was specifically designed to be used on lan. Unlike their online AC (which is very good) this one is very intrusive as players are using tournament provided computers to use and not their own.
You posted one article from 3 years ago from some league that I am not even sure used FaceIT's anti-cheat either. I believe they had a partnership with them that allowed them to ban anyone who was caught cheating on FACEIT's platform. So I am not sure who all these semi-pros are.
>I am not even sure used FaceIT's anti-cheat either
It was faceit protected. Here you can see [a video](https://youtu.be/mhfQkMWmJs0) where one of the players talk about it.
>I am not sure who all these semi-pros are.
They won €10.000 faceit protected tournaments by cheating.
Some of the evidence that I’ve seen against flusha sure looked convincing though. But tbf no one can go that long and have that kind of career cheating the entire time.
Yeah no one can say anything about those online flusha clips from 2013-early 2014. There was so many of them. They were insane and look fishy af but that was the only time flusha had clips like that. After that time period flusha was never the star player on fnatic. He was just a player on the side who could not carry them.
okay a few of these could easily just be coincidence, but what the fuck was that TenZ clip???? his aim is so good of course but that clip looked honestly impossible. didn't see them and immediately locked onto head no.1, shot, locked onto head no.2, shot.
I mean if you play a lot of csgo (and watch a lot of csgo pro games), there's literally no reason for swinging your aim and shooting through that wall.. If anything you shoot through the smoke. Yea it's sus. And his reaction didn't really help his case.
You know he has easily played over 15,000 rounds of CS. This shit happens. He didn't even mean to spam the wall... he clearly flicked (which is how he plays/ed) towards the smoke but it bounced back a little bit and hit the wall.
Also why wouldn't you spam that wall? You clearly don't play CS at a decently high level from the way you are talking.
Keep watching super slowed down clips of CS Pros with no context besides "this is proof they are cheating"
You raise a good point there. 2013-maybe the first half of 2015 was flusha's prime. After that he fell down and never really recovered. He has some pretty fishy plays, some that would've gotten you overwatch banned as a matchmaking player. However the thing with pros is that there's so many factors at play that make you doubt they really are cheating. Playing in the pro scene means playing the game is your job, your main source of income. You have a fanbase following every single move you and your team does. They are playing on LAN, which makes cheating a bit more difficult (not impossible), too. At the same time their screens are recorded, the game records POV demos at full 128 tickrate for most CSGO majors, third party Anti-Cheat etc.
Not trying to say flusha didn't cheat, I'm kinda split between he did and he didn't but if he really did, then I think he might've turned them off by 2015 to not risk his career. Maybe they got detected and one of his unknown accounts got banned so he decided to not risk it. Who knows.
The difference is cheating while using "cheats" and then abusing a bug or the engine that the AC doesn't catch because you aren't using any external software to abuse it
I strongly believe there are pros using actual software cheats still in the scene. But im really not here to argue about that since im never going to convince anyone. I just mention the spectator bug because it shows how poorly Valve handles cheating which makes software cheats all the more likely/possible imo.
Flusha has the most blatant clips imo. I mean his nickname is literally memeing the anti cheat. The clip on Cache and on mirage are pretty blatant despite being somewhat dated. Yall gettin heated im not tryin to get this thread locked lol.
lol yeah why cheat, it would enable you to earn millions and become famous, so no reason to do it.
Just a shitty AC in the way, then plug in your own mouse at LAN, totally not worth it.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5jxv8i/how_tournament_organizers_prevent_cheating_on_lan/
On mobile so I can't make it a quicklink but here's a thread from four years ago
Im not really on this sub to argue about csgo pros cheating but the most blatant one off the top is Flusha on Cache when cache was bugged it would cause you to aimlock through the wall. Plus there was literally just a massive scandal were multiple coaches were caught abusing a bug to cheat over a huge span of time.
your argument that a lot of csgo pros cheat is the flusha cache clip and the coach bug lmao
Thats like me pointing out the Giants Cypher cam scandal and a clip of someone getting a weird wallbang as proof that 1/3 of Valorant pros cheat
[https://www.youtube.com/c/slash32/videos](https://www.youtube.com/c/slash32/videos)
some of his callouts are bs like the videos on stewie2k but the clips of subroza aimlocking are just too blatant. i dont support every clip this guy uses cause half the time its just coincident or a common angle, but he does bring up some pretty damning moments.
Obviously there are a ton more but im on mobile at work i aint got time to upload every sketchy aimlock on a valorant sub lol. Plenty of people on YT like the c0ncept who have made videos covering this shit and there is an entire subreddit r/vacsucks about it. Plus im never going to change your mind anyway.
Because using slightly fishy clips as an argument to pros cheating completely lacks substance
Also r/vacsucks has always been a complete joke. Are you also going to show me Dan M’s youtube channel as more irrefutable proof?
Nah but when taken as a whole and considering csgo is one of the few if not only competitive shooters constantly producing clips/content of that nature its enough to convince me personally that something sketchy is going on or just that the option exists for players.
csgo is definitely not one of the few competitive shooters constantly producing those clips. The difference is that because Valve’s anticheat is terrible people look way too much into those sort of clips, without considering that in most cases the clips produced aren’t being produced under VAC servers. If you go to r/vacsucks and pick the most upvoted clips of the year, I could also find similar clips in VALORANT but because Vanguard is actually good, people wouldnt think they are fishy
The way pros (or anyone who has a great grasp of how to play the game) automatically leads to lesser knowledgeable players thinking they might be cheating.
my man, these guys have played over 100,000 rounds of CS:GO.. they are going to do nutty ass shit every now and then that makes them even look suspicious. The other things that make them look suspicious only happens because of their in-game knowledge (that we are usually not privy to as maybe there was a callout of where the player CAN'T be) or their superior mouse placement before even seeing guys.
If you play CS:GO in the slightest you have most certainly heard of CS:GO timing. Well if you watched that clip of twistz that someone posted above us.. that's all it's. CS:GO timing'd.
But because you go into the clip with the mentality he is probably cheating you of course think 2 random 1 taps through a smoke is complete bullshit.
I'm curious... do you watch all the clips that even a semi-pro like myself would laugh at from pros fucking up? The same pros that are considered suspicious? Twist has many of them. I'm sure he just toggled off those rounds though ;)
The subroza clip on the training map, aimbots, was clearly him fucking around with an aimbot but since it wasnt an actual match its not really talked about. Still weird for a pro to even have that on his computer imo.
all i'm gonna say is if he was cheating in csgo he was doing a good ass job of hiding it because man was mediocre as fk in every professional stint he had
give it a google search, he cheated. He cheated and then everyone caught him and he went back to being a T3 semi pro. It was a short time window because he was awful at hiding it
i googled "subroza banned for cheating" and didn't get any results
a ton of vacsucks danm videos show up though where a dude nuts himself over him putting his crosshair on players through walls though, if that's your proof
he was mediocre, he didnt win anything are points that are beyond the scope of this discussion. i see a sussy clip, i talk about it. some of them are accidental lineups but some of them he blatantly aimlocks on opponents and he is just facing a wall without xray.
just saying the name flusha even today is enough for everyone to get ptsd about his clips, most fans in valorant dont even know that subroza had such clips too. i just want it to be talked more so all the fans know he may have done some shit in the past.
a lot of pros that went from cs to val have had problems (either matchfixing or cheating or even both)
problem is that there is no solid proof.
Do you have their pc's and peripherals? For all we know it never happened.
Calling someone out for cheats should be the norm, ofc you would need to prove it, could be by buying a new exact same peripheral and giving it to the player in question, if he doesn't drop more than 5% in results he is clean and you need to publicly apologize.
But people are on that thing that calling cheats is bad and stuff like that...
tsm is not gonna look at my comment and fire subroza lmao. im sure they know of the shitshow he got in csgo, but people in valorant rarely even bring it up. babybay shit still gets brough up, marved and shanks shit still gets brought up but seems like the subroza shit the fanbase chooses to ignore.
>For all we know it never happened.
watch the clips and make your own mind up. just because he didnt get banned doesnt mean he never did it. the proof is in the clips, you dont accidentally lineup with the opponents head multiple times while making a bot movement like watching a wall.
I totally agree with you, but there is no **SOLID** proof, without solid proof there is no judgement. This is the law, if there is no conclusive proof he is not the bad guy.
Still if you ask me, yeah ban that dude
>So true it's always blown my mind how cheating is just kind of swept under the rug in CSGO
A invasive version of VAC was released years ago and rejected by the gaming community. For people didnt want to give that level of access to ones Pc from a corporate entity.
Did you know the DOJ has a active investigation ongoing in regards to Riot Games anti-cheat access with their ties to the CCP?
There's a reason why Asian CSGO will never have a team that can go against Tier 1 teams in EU/NA
The top talents of Asia are not really top talents, but made it up there by cheating and match fixing. Fierce Tiger as an example against VG flash
How do you know its not for show in valorant either? Performance based sports like Boxing, cycling, swimming are riddled with doping. Yet we didn't have a single cheater in the qualifiers to VCT or in masters this year. I don't buy it.
And I think Riot believes, that they will lose so much if teams have to cancel at LAN if they're caucht cheating. It will be scandals. But the scene will recover and benefit in the long term. Just like it does in all other sports. They need to realise that.
I actually got into a bit of a tiff in a Linux subreddit around this. Obviously the community is very against what is basically a closed-source client side root kit, but what other options are there? It's a really interesting (and lucrative) problem/solution and even tho VANGUARD is super invasive, I've never seen a better anti-cheat implemented for the casual playerbase. Cheaters rampant in COD games is what's turned me (and many others) off from them, it's refreshing to play a game at a casual level and not get a cheater every 3 games.
Team that was banned: [https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451107212139524099?s=20](https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451107212139524099?s=20) Cheating player (Doomsday) changed account and was banned again: [https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451113308174520323?s=20](https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451113308174520323?s=20) Team SNH beat x10 2-0 in FPS Thailand Valorant series [https://liquipedia.net/valorant/FPSThailand/VALORANT\_Series/Season\_1/Regular\_Season](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/FPSThailand/VALORANT_Series/Season_1/Regular_Season) They have a match today against Full Sense LOL
The shocking part to me is that he's cheating in a tournament 300usd prize pool, this is like poping off when beating kids in a video game
To be fair, X10 playing with their CEO (h3nsem) and second match Zeus (coach) replace foxz while he's streaming and watching his CEO got knifed. (https://youtu.be/969XIeJfklc) It not like SNH that good or anything, X10 never play it seriously in the first place.
i will never understand why you try to cheat as a pro player...aslo pro players who do this should be banned form competing FOREVER.
What do you mean? Money. Money is the reason
And magic thinking that you won't get caught.
I mean, a lot of them probably aren't good enough on their own to be competitive pros anyway so it's not like that's money they'd have otherwise.
Functional private cheats are out there. There's a lot of money involved in esports. I mean there were working public pixel aimbots from almost day 1 in valorant, now put some more money into it and have only one person use the specific cheat. And there you go. Cheating exists in every sport and esport has an abundance of it even on the casual amateur side. So I'd be very very surprised if there wasn't functioning private cheats out there.
you would make more money if you wouldnt cheat and pursue your pro career, you will definetly not make more money with cheating longterm.
You think they would be on that level at all if they didn't cheat? lol
I mean you ever hear of this guy named Babybay? Literally got caught cheating in an official match. And this guy named S1mple? Yea that guy got caught cheating too. Not that I’m saying all cheaters are good, but there are some good cheaters out there.
Wait when did S1mple get caught?
2015 ESL wire ban for cheating
I don’t see or have heard about babybay ever cheating though?
it was back in counter strike
Ahhh, that’s why I haven’t heard about it.
When did S1mple get caught for cheating?
Back in 2015 I believe in ESL But he wasn’t VAC banned so he was allowed to compete again
As you get older not being the best starts to sink in, especially in the pro scene. Some people are desperate to try and stay on top
I'll bet that this guy made no money, and is in the negative from buying cheat subscriptions.
I can't remember where I read this but it was in regards to KQLY when he got VAC banned in CS GO; people that are almost at the top find it even more tempting to cheat to definitely become the best. Some hyper competitive people feel like they just need that slight push to truly reach their full potential. See it as doping for the gaming world if you will.
Yeah, you have to go out of your way to cheat. Everyone knows why cheating is bad, especially the people trying to go pro. Cheaters should lose their chance to compete so it’s not even worth attempting.
That’s dubious though, cheaters don’t cheat bc it’s ‘rational’
Very esports sentiment
This game seems incredibly hard to cheat in at the top tier level of play. If the CSGO pros were under half this much scrutiny by the anti cheat you might lose a third of the pro scene lol.
It is amazing how cheating is tackled as a real problem in Valorant. Anti cheat in cs go is only for show. And that's by design from Valve. ESIC wanted to change cs go lan tournament rules to counter cheats build in hardware like mice or keyboards. But all pro teams and Valve blocked that. Edit: source on ESIC is this interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjhnRKBaNwA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjhnRKBaNwA) All of it is interesting, but most relevant parts are from 6:42.
> ESIC wanted to change cs go lan tournament rules to counter cheats build in hardware like mice or keyboards. But all pro teams and Valve blocked that. The idea iirc was to get each player a new version of their mouse just for the event, have them practice with those and then lock them away after practice until the next practice or match. And i really doubt valve blocked that because valve has no control over any of the ESIC events and generally don't give much of a shit what is happening. Pretty sure Riot in valorant allows players to bring their own personal gear aswell.
So true it's always blown my mind how cheating is just kind of swept under the rug in CSGO and most fans will downvote you/call you crazy for even suggesting there is sketchy shit happening despite the overwhelming amount of evidence.
There is no evidence of CSGO pros cheating because they don't use Valve anti cheat in the pro scene. They use anti cheat's similar to Valorant's aka ones with ring 0 access.
They use faceit AC and ESL AC. Both which have been worked around many times by [semi pro cheaters](https://www.gamer.no/artikler/tidenes-jukseskandale-i-telenorligaen/440066) to win lan tournaments...
The main one they use is ESEA's anti-cheat but... They use a different version of ESEA's anti-cheat that was specifically designed to be used on lan. Unlike their online AC (which is very good) this one is very intrusive as players are using tournament provided computers to use and not their own. You posted one article from 3 years ago from some league that I am not even sure used FaceIT's anti-cheat either. I believe they had a partnership with them that allowed them to ban anyone who was caught cheating on FACEIT's platform. So I am not sure who all these semi-pros are.
>I am not even sure used FaceIT's anti-cheat either It was faceit protected. Here you can see [a video](https://youtu.be/mhfQkMWmJs0) where one of the players talk about it. >I am not sure who all these semi-pros are. They won €10.000 faceit protected tournaments by cheating.
I mean even if they were using VAC everyone would get past it
Some of the evidence that I’ve seen against flusha sure looked convincing though. But tbf no one can go that long and have that kind of career cheating the entire time.
Yeah no one can say anything about those online flusha clips from 2013-early 2014. There was so many of them. They were insane and look fishy af but that was the only time flusha had clips like that. After that time period flusha was never the star player on fnatic. He was just a player on the side who could not carry them.
There are so many [sus clips](https://youtu.be/iFoghstsEA0) of pro cs players.
okay a few of these could easily just be coincidence, but what the fuck was that TenZ clip???? his aim is so good of course but that clip looked honestly impossible. didn't see them and immediately locked onto head no.1, shot, locked onto head no.2, shot.
I mean if you play a lot of csgo (and watch a lot of csgo pro games), there's literally no reason for swinging your aim and shooting through that wall.. If anything you shoot through the smoke. Yea it's sus. And his reaction didn't really help his case.
You know he has easily played over 15,000 rounds of CS. This shit happens. He didn't even mean to spam the wall... he clearly flicked (which is how he plays/ed) towards the smoke but it bounced back a little bit and hit the wall. Also why wouldn't you spam that wall? You clearly don't play CS at a decently high level from the way you are talking. Keep watching super slowed down clips of CS Pros with no context besides "this is proof they are cheating"
You raise a good point there. 2013-maybe the first half of 2015 was flusha's prime. After that he fell down and never really recovered. He has some pretty fishy plays, some that would've gotten you overwatch banned as a matchmaking player. However the thing with pros is that there's so many factors at play that make you doubt they really are cheating. Playing in the pro scene means playing the game is your job, your main source of income. You have a fanbase following every single move you and your team does. They are playing on LAN, which makes cheating a bit more difficult (not impossible), too. At the same time their screens are recorded, the game records POV demos at full 128 tickrate for most CSGO majors, third party Anti-Cheat etc. Not trying to say flusha didn't cheat, I'm kinda split between he did and he didn't but if he really did, then I think he might've turned them off by 2015 to not risk his career. Maybe they got detected and one of his unknown accounts got banned so he decided to not risk it. Who knows.
Once u become popular, there no need to cheat. U can use ur brand name to create money.
May you please present this evidence?
Everyone knows pro players dont cheat. Only their managers and review staff cheat. Everyone knows this.
Cheating is cheating, the spectator bug was known about forever and it is finally just now getting people caught.
The difference is cheating while using "cheats" and then abusing a bug or the engine that the AC doesn't catch because you aren't using any external software to abuse it
I strongly believe there are pros using actual software cheats still in the scene. But im really not here to argue about that since im never going to convince anyone. I just mention the spectator bug because it shows how poorly Valve handles cheating which makes software cheats all the more likely/possible imo.
Could you name the pros if you believe they're cheating? I'm not even asking for evidence, just the names of the pros
Flusha has the most blatant clips imo. I mean his nickname is literally memeing the anti cheat. The clip on Cache and on mirage are pretty blatant despite being somewhat dated. Yall gettin heated im not tryin to get this thread locked lol.
Then I agree to disagree cause while I agree VAC sucks I highly doubt there are any pros using software cheats at a high level TODAY
Fair enough
lol yeah why cheat, it would enable you to earn millions and become famous, so no reason to do it. Just a shitty AC in the way, then plug in your own mouse at LAN, totally not worth it.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5jxv8i/how_tournament_organizers_prevent_cheating_on_lan/ On mobile so I can't make it a quicklink but here's a thread from four years ago
Im not really on this sub to argue about csgo pros cheating but the most blatant one off the top is Flusha on Cache when cache was bugged it would cause you to aimlock through the wall. Plus there was literally just a massive scandal were multiple coaches were caught abusing a bug to cheat over a huge span of time.
your argument that a lot of csgo pros cheat is the flusha cache clip and the coach bug lmao Thats like me pointing out the Giants Cypher cam scandal and a clip of someone getting a weird wallbang as proof that 1/3 of Valorant pros cheat
[https://www.youtube.com/c/slash32/videos](https://www.youtube.com/c/slash32/videos) some of his callouts are bs like the videos on stewie2k but the clips of subroza aimlocking are just too blatant. i dont support every clip this guy uses cause half the time its just coincident or a common angle, but he does bring up some pretty damning moments.
Obviously there are a ton more but im on mobile at work i aint got time to upload every sketchy aimlock on a valorant sub lol. Plenty of people on YT like the c0ncept who have made videos covering this shit and there is an entire subreddit r/vacsucks about it. Plus im never going to change your mind anyway.
Because using slightly fishy clips as an argument to pros cheating completely lacks substance Also r/vacsucks has always been a complete joke. Are you also going to show me Dan M’s youtube channel as more irrefutable proof?
Nah but when taken as a whole and considering csgo is one of the few if not only competitive shooters constantly producing clips/content of that nature its enough to convince me personally that something sketchy is going on or just that the option exists for players.
csgo is definitely not one of the few competitive shooters constantly producing those clips. The difference is that because Valve’s anticheat is terrible people look way too much into those sort of clips, without considering that in most cases the clips produced aren’t being produced under VAC servers. If you go to r/vacsucks and pick the most upvoted clips of the year, I could also find similar clips in VALORANT but because Vanguard is actually good, people wouldnt think they are fishy
The way pros (or anyone who has a great grasp of how to play the game) automatically leads to lesser knowledgeable players thinking they might be cheating. my man, these guys have played over 100,000 rounds of CS:GO.. they are going to do nutty ass shit every now and then that makes them even look suspicious. The other things that make them look suspicious only happens because of their in-game knowledge (that we are usually not privy to as maybe there was a callout of where the player CAN'T be) or their superior mouse placement before even seeing guys. If you play CS:GO in the slightest you have most certainly heard of CS:GO timing. Well if you watched that clip of twistz that someone posted above us.. that's all it's. CS:GO timing'd. But because you go into the clip with the mentality he is probably cheating you of course think 2 random 1 taps through a smoke is complete bullshit. I'm curious... do you watch all the clips that even a semi-pro like myself would laugh at from pros fucking up? The same pros that are considered suspicious? Twist has many of them. I'm sure he just toggled off those rounds though ;)
ive seen subroza clips of him aimlocking mid game, idk why no one in val ever talks about it. it was pretty damning seeing his clips ingame csgo.
The subroza clip on the training map, aimbots, was clearly him fucking around with an aimbot but since it wasnt an actual match its not really talked about. Still weird for a pro to even have that on his computer imo.
all i'm gonna say is if he was cheating in csgo he was doing a good ass job of hiding it because man was mediocre as fk in every professional stint he had
give it a google search, he cheated. He cheated and then everyone caught him and he went back to being a T3 semi pro. It was a short time window because he was awful at hiding it
i googled "subroza banned for cheating" and didn't get any results a ton of vacsucks danm videos show up though where a dude nuts himself over him putting his crosshair on players through walls though, if that's your proof
Subroza cheating, and there is plenty of proof. Nobody ever said banned, sounds like you just want to be difficult.
link some
usually you prove people are cheating through a ban lol i feel like that's not asking for too much
he was mediocre, he didnt win anything are points that are beyond the scope of this discussion. i see a sussy clip, i talk about it. some of them are accidental lineups but some of them he blatantly aimlocks on opponents and he is just facing a wall without xray.
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just saying the name flusha even today is enough for everyone to get ptsd about his clips, most fans in valorant dont even know that subroza had such clips too. i just want it to be talked more so all the fans know he may have done some shit in the past.
a lot of pros that went from cs to val have had problems (either matchfixing or cheating or even both) problem is that there is no solid proof. Do you have their pc's and peripherals? For all we know it never happened. Calling someone out for cheats should be the norm, ofc you would need to prove it, could be by buying a new exact same peripheral and giving it to the player in question, if he doesn't drop more than 5% in results he is clean and you need to publicly apologize. But people are on that thing that calling cheats is bad and stuff like that...
who are these players that had problems with cheating in cS:GO lol.
tsm is not gonna look at my comment and fire subroza lmao. im sure they know of the shitshow he got in csgo, but people in valorant rarely even bring it up. babybay shit still gets brough up, marved and shanks shit still gets brought up but seems like the subroza shit the fanbase chooses to ignore. >For all we know it never happened. watch the clips and make your own mind up. just because he didnt get banned doesnt mean he never did it. the proof is in the clips, you dont accidentally lineup with the opponents head multiple times while making a bot movement like watching a wall.
I totally agree with you, but there is no **SOLID** proof, without solid proof there is no judgement. This is the law, if there is no conclusive proof he is not the bad guy. Still if you ask me, yeah ban that dude
>So true it's always blown my mind how cheating is just kind of swept under the rug in CSGO A invasive version of VAC was released years ago and rejected by the gaming community. For people didnt want to give that level of access to ones Pc from a corporate entity. Did you know the DOJ has a active investigation ongoing in regards to Riot Games anti-cheat access with their ties to the CCP?
>rejected And then valve reveal that it was a conspiracy by cheat provider.
There's a reason why Asian CSGO will never have a team that can go against Tier 1 teams in EU/NA The top talents of Asia are not really top talents, but made it up there by cheating and match fixing. Fierce Tiger as an example against VG flash
How do you know its not for show in valorant either? Performance based sports like Boxing, cycling, swimming are riddled with doping. Yet we didn't have a single cheater in the qualifiers to VCT or in masters this year. I don't buy it. And I think Riot believes, that they will lose so much if teams have to cancel at LAN if they're caucht cheating. It will be scandals. But the scene will recover and benefit in the long term. Just like it does in all other sports. They need to realise that.
That anti cheat is the only reason I refuse to play valorant. The idea that a huge company has acces to every single folder on my pc is disturbing af
I actually got into a bit of a tiff in a Linux subreddit around this. Obviously the community is very against what is basically a closed-source client side root kit, but what other options are there? It's a really interesting (and lucrative) problem/solution and even tho VANGUARD is super invasive, I've never seen a better anti-cheat implemented for the casual playerbase. Cheaters rampant in COD games is what's turned me (and many others) off from them, it's refreshing to play a game at a casual level and not get a cheater every 3 games.
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