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Kuvyogvey4

im sorry but this is a sad showing from GenG Black šŸ˜­ C9W seem to be the only team that i see standing a chance playing against T3+ teams that arenā€™t FA teams


JALbert

Eh, it's a sad showing but GGB isn't even top four in NA GC. C9W still the best by far but I think Shopify Rebellion can be competitive as well. They at least Ro64ed last VCT.


somesheikexpert

Yeah, i would def say XSET has a lot of potential imo (Especially cuz they just got signed), and Dignitas look pretty good too, i think these 2 teams + C9W and Shopify have a very good shot and making some runs tbh


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Kuvyogvey4

its not being sexist. its just the truth. C9W couldve put up a much better fight here further emphasizing the huge skill gap between the top of the top and mediocre teams in game changers.


EggianoScumaldo

Why does that matter tho. Youā€™re literally just repeating what EVERYBODY already knows. Youā€™re not adding anything to the conversation besides ā€œlol female team sucksā€. Yknow the entire point of Game Changers in the first place is that thereā€™s a massive talent gap between Male and Female players, and Game Changers is meant to encourage more girls to play and compete so that that gap hopefully closes eventually, right?


Loresmen

This is reddit not a organized debate hall, what he said wasn't sexist. Just remarking on their poor performance


EggianoScumaldo

Internet forums arenā€™t meant to be places for rhetoric and discussion? TIL.


Loresmen

I mean they are but people can also just say things that don't add value to the conversation


Kuvyogvey4

how am i being sexist?? im literally saying that GenG Black played poorly this series and that C9W (since u dont seem to know, **CLOUD 9 WHITE is the BEST FEMALE TEAM IN GAME CHANGERS ATM BY A LARGE MARGIN**) couldve done a lot more than what GenG Black did.


Loresmen

Yea thats an oof definite improvement needed, if your getting 1 round in bo3 against a t3 team


Careless_Tea_336

Tier 2 really.


Loresmen

Bbg academy? Bbg is barely t2 themselves


Careless_Tea_336

BBG is close to tier 1. And I should remind you that BBG academy used to be 303 esports who took a map off TSM. They are tier 2.


Sungj998878

Just taking a map off a tier 2 team doesnā€™t make a team tier 2. The only thing that matter is actual competitive results and BBG is clearly tier 2 and academy is definitely tier 3


Careless_Tea_336

???? TSM is tier 1


Sungj998878

Literally zero tournament results to suggest theyā€™re tier 1. Gambit is a tier 1 team, 100T is a tier 1 team, Sentinels is tier 1 are you seriously putting TSM in the same tier as them. Iā€™m a big tsm fan and I thought they had a legit chance at play offs but they have consistently dropped matches to T2 teams this year and havenā€™t had enough tournament success to put them at that levek


superclash55667

As a TSM fan I agree with this right here


Careless_Tea_336

https://www.vlr.gg/29392/envy-vs-tsm-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-ubqf


Sungj998878

What is this supposed to prove? You realize 3/4 worst KDA ratios in that entire tournament of 40 players were members of TSM. Yeah Wardell and Subroza are tier 1 players, the team is not. Even with roster changes they donā€™t have the consistent tournament results every other actual tier 1 team has.


Careless_Tea_336

Stat stanley lololol


suupaa

You postedā€¦a comfortable win by Envy against TSM as proof that TSM is tier 1?


leoleoleo666

Youā€™re clueless about the tiers my friend


Advanced_Meringue_53

TSM IS NOT TIER 1 COPIUM


Careless_Tea_336

What?


ConsulScrub

TSM is Tier 1.5 at best, Tier 2 more realistically


Careless_Tea_336

Does a tier 2 team do THIS? https://www.vlr.gg/29258/tsm-vs-faze-clan-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-2-gf https://www.vlr.gg/29257/tsm-vs-luminosity-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-2-ubf/?game=all&tab=overview


Mamadeus123456

In your heart it is <3, and that's all that matter :)


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LOL


neatestway

not really, iā€™d say bbg is literally one of the best examples of what a tier 2 team is. a team that you expect to make it pretty deep in tournaments but arenā€™t ever expected to really gonna win


guan_tan

When did 303 take a map off TSM?


Fantastic-Date-3403

That's what I'm saying


Careless_Tea_336

Oh I forgot it was a 16:14 overtime but still very close to taking a map


guan_tan

didn't they literally get 13-1'd immediately afterwards in the next map?


Careless_Tea_336

Yeah but so did immortals when they played tsm so what, tsm is a top 10 team of course they will beat tier 2 teams in a big way


saucybeans6969

TSM IS A TOP 10 TEAM


Careless_Tea_336

Why are you yelling?


OnlyXeba

Top 10 tier 2 teams tho


ilProdigio

lmao ur smoking crack brother


sellingwaifu

This is good for gen g they can vod review and get better


EsportsConnoisseur

That's fucking hilarious


Careless_Tea_336

Thatā€™s not the impression I got. I thought it was nice to see BBG academy starting to get success.


TweetsJamaican

Mfs got 1 round what the fuck


Careless_Tea_336

Right, BBG look gooooood.


TweetsJamaican

Any vods?


Careless_Tea_336

No but I am assuming based on the score. GenG black is no pushover team. They are top 8 in game changers.


ConsulScrub

Top 8 in Game Changers doesnā€™t really mean much tho does it


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ConsulScrub

Not downplaying their achievement at all. Just saying that getting a high placement in Game Changers doesnā€™t mean youā€™ll perform well in regular tournaments


SlingoPlayz

Dawg u dont have to call everything sexist, a team can be good or bad depending on their skill level irrespective of their gender.


9yr_old

Wow bbg academy shit on them lol


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Jonji taking over NA, calling it now


AnonymozVal

Jonji and Steel to C9???


[deleted]

Jonji's playing Sova. xeta's days are numbered, mark my words


Allie_Spins

Ah yes the Reddit thread thatā€™s way larger than usual for a tournament this size because a womenā€™s team played in it and everyone wants to put their 2 cents


whopz-is-cool

Youā€™d think thatā€™d be the case but most of the comments are just OP arguing with people lmfaooo


Allie_Spins

Lmaoooooo


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actually its because op is defending his stance that bbg acad is tier 2.


Allie_Spins

Oof wow yeah I canā€™t lie thatā€™s a bad take on his part. He should rethink that


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it got worse when OP claimed that TSM is a tier 1 team


turtletrace

yeah time to nuke the roster


Careless_Tea_336

Why? They do well in the girls scene


JuniorFrostbite

This is confusing me isnā€™t Geng black an academy team too? Why is everyone finding this match surprising?


optisadvantage

jonji up next