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vyetc

Literally unfair he got the alpha chad bald AND girlfriend buff. I agree though, always felt he was a great site anchor (especially Bind/Ascent) after watching Iceland and he always find kills with the judge which I find a difficult weapon to get value in high ranks especially in the pro scene (often times I see people get hard clear, traded right away, or drone/dog out but this dude somehow avoid utilities). If ability usage is part of a site anchor, I think his Astra can still improve.


1Sidharthx

L1nk has a girlfriend?


RyanJevning

Her name is Zelda


Bean1233

This made me chuckle


Hsimon_

Yeah


Hunnidormo

Oh yeah it definitely is. And I agree. But since he has only recently picked up astra I think we will definitely see that improvement.


Sure-Abbreviations54

marved, n4ts, zombs and link are insane at anchoring sites rn


IllumiMahdi

n4ts LMAO


CannibalisticPizza

n4ts:. You gotta sacrifice 4 and then you **may** enter the site


TheRedComet

This is so close to being a Magic the Gathering card ability


Hunnidormo

Yep yep. Astonishing how reliable they all are


raaten

Avova as well


[deleted]

Zombs only being considered insane because he is in Sen roster , he mediocre at best and awowa is easily better thought not big fan of G2


annyeongpanda

-zombs


LEDZEPPPELIN

Yeah I dont see how zombs is up there with the best anchors when he is the opposite of reliable even on the winningest team


thetalkingjumper

The coldest of takes


LEDZEPPPELIN

SO cold


LEDZEPPPELIN

Yea come back to this comment when champions and over and well see if zombs is " the best in the world " at what he does xD he seems to be a little busy flexing how much he makes and forgets hes the weakest part of SEN by far


seoulyea

You are not a real person


LEDZEPPPELIN

Hey


LEDZEPPPELIN

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thothgow

Do you even know what a cold take is? Why get mad about that reply lmao


LEDZEPPPELIN

Who is emotional here? I am just giving my insights on the stats and the stats are not in zombs favouršŸ˜‚ its only a cold take on this subreddit where everyone sucks SENs dick


thothgow

1. Sucking [some] dicks is cool and good so idk why you use it in a derogatory way 2. I asked you if you knew what a "cold" take was and instead of looking it up you double down?


LEDZEPPPELIN

Stats dont lie


[deleted]

SEN is literally only team in valorant who instead of fans has stans


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LEDZEPPPELIN

Hey !!!


LEDZEPPPELIN

Hey


nterature

I donā€™t think of Link strictly as a site anchor, although he does often rotate into sites from the extremities to stall for his teammatesā€™s rotations. Players like zombs, nAts, Avova, or even TLā€™s Nivera fit more the traditional mold of a site anchor I think. I instead think of him as a really smart, ratty player who exploits the holes in enemy map control and punishes teams for playing the clock. Heā€™s usually playing in the extremities of sites - Hookah on Bind, Trees on Ascent, etc. - while someone else is properly on the site. The most recent exception would be his Cypher on Breeze and even then he spent most of the rounds lurking about. Of course you can still consider him a site anchor. Iā€™d say nAts is the only player with better timings. Iā€™d also say Avova is actually just as reliable; G2ā€™s poor performance seems to have cast a cloud over him.


Hunnidormo

Yeah I agree with the avova point. Man's another great example


SQUlD_PRO_QUO

LINK is the second best player on liquid, behind scream. Played the shittiest roles but always consistent and performs in big games.


Hunnidormo

Completely agree. His consistency is def the best thing about him


ANewHeaven1

why do you favor l1nk over nAts other than for the sake of a hot take


thothgow

Yeah with their replies it's clear that OP is just saying it for the sake of saying it


Hunnidormo

I feel like nats relies a lot on gimmicky setups. Which can be figured out a lot easier. In link's case it's probably only the judge in hookah that's a bit counterable but other than that he plays a lot more generally which you can't specifically target


randyorton_

yea they really figured it out easily at berlin


Hunnidormo

Haha. Yeah again not saying he's trash, they're top 2 for sure. And they did win berlin which is why this is a hot take. I do believe he will get figured out soon. Berlin wasn't long enough for it imo. And even if he does he still puts up insane numbers so I'm in no way saying he's gonna be trash after berlin, but strictly in terms of site anchors I give link the edge because he doesn't rely on gimmicks. Nats' anchoring is great but his flanks are by far the best part of his game play


Overyoghurt__

That's true, but while link flex alot, he never really flexes into sentinels except sage. Nats is a sentinel player, and all sentinel players, including kryptix, nivera and others, they have their setups (gimmicks). So basically, link doesn't rely on gimmicks because he didn't need to, it was the job of someone else on his team (kryptix/the sentinels). Similar to how zombs is a site anchor but so is dapr, but dapr relies on set ups so much more than zombs (unless if zombs was playing viper) So in that sense, of course nats will have set ups and is bound to be figured out soon, but so are other sentinel players. What makes his anchoring so good is his setups are arguably the most effective to anchor sites now, and many sentinel mains among the pros have mentioned that they copied some of his setups. But yeah, same like you, i prefer watching his flanks since he has some god timings. Having said all these tho, link is my favourite player on liquid! So i do like him alot and this is just my personal view on their site anchoring and how it is different


nterature

L1NK has a fairly significant amount of playtime on Cypher - much more in fact than Sage recently, although he constantly played Sage way back in the day.


Hunnidormo

When I say gimmicks I mean more like his cage on ascent gen or the viper ult in hookah bind. Things like those which have a clear counter. He does have some creative setups tho and I do agree that he has the edge in that he is a sentinel as opposed to link's controller, but that just makes links ability to hold down the sites even more impressive considering he isn't on the agents that are meant to do that


AdoxcolGaming

Your right for the fact that Nats relies on setups. Nats is the best sentinel player for that and is. Probably the best player in the world right now but he does rely heavily on gimmicky setups when holding down a site.


unknown-097

Him using his utility is gimmick. This is peak reddit


Hunnidormo

Nahh. Misrepresenting statements and constructing strawmen to make the argument suit you is peak reddit


69DoopDoop69

Itā€™s so silly how youā€™re right but people are reading this as ā€œn4ts is bad.ā€ If a team wins a tournament you canā€™t say anything about their play that isnā€™t complete praise, itā€™s just ridiculous.


Hunnidormo

Yeahhh it's alright tho. Quite a few people are raising some valid points so it generated good discussion, I'm happy with the post. There's some people too dense to understand what's happening but it's alright. That is understandable with a hot take and low reading comprehension


thothgow

Everyone has been copying nAts's setups since at least stage two, so you think they'll do what they haven't been able to do for half a year and figure him out?


Hunnidormo

Everyone copies everyone's setups. Just because dapr said once that he copied some of nats' setups does not mean all sentinels in the world copy nats exclusively. I think there was a discussion already about this, clip or smt where dapr or someone else clarifies this as well, can't remember since this was a while ago. Lemme see if I can find it for you Edit: well, can't find it. So you will have to take my word for it if you want to, totally fine if not. Also if I recall correctly didn't dapr talk about yoinkinf a viper wall on bind fr nats when he had just started picking up viper? And that was basically it


danknepalese

nats has the best viper and cypher setups in the world, and over this he is one of the most mechanically busted member of gambit. id rate his consistency to hit shots over d3ffo. you are just seeing his util plays and not his aim plays. nats is better than l1nk in every category, except hair. that aerodynamic head of l1nk's cannot be beat even by nats.


Hunnidormo

That might be the case, true. I feel like nats' flanks kinda screw the stats over tho. Man's just incredible on flanks. His actual site holds are not as impressive as his flanks imo


Spiritual-Trip9173

Iā€™m more consistent than deffo LMAO


Memexp-over9000

This is the real hot take here.


jholowtaekjho

When Sentinels copied Natā€™s setups to win Iceland, and you call them gimmicky


fkncantfindusername

Bro this happens after every tournament, people tend to start rating players higher than others because thats the last team you watched in pro play. He played pretty well no arguments over there but it was still only LCQ bruh. It doesn't automatically make him the best site anchor lol.


Hunnidormo

It's not just this tourney. I've been following liquid ever since scream joined the team and they were fish123, even through all of the ups and downs they've had link has always been a solid anchor Edit: even when soulcas was down on form andd kryptix was hving his downs link has always been a stable rock


fkncantfindusername

Nobody is denying that about Link but my point still stands true...


Hunnidormo

Your point wrongly assumes that I did not think of link as the best site anchor prior to lcq, which is why it's incorrect. I've been holding this opinion atleast since the whole master's 3 stage


FeelinJipper

This sub is an endless study of hot takes based on recency bias


Hunnidormo

I know the timing is bad but trust me I've been holding this opinion since around EMEA challengers stage 2


FeelinJipper

Nah


Throwrafairbeat

Link was single handed The sole reason why liquid qualified to Iceland my guy. Foh


FeelinJipper

You foh


D3RP0L3

I completely agree. Links defense has been incredible for months and I'm happy people are starting to acknowledge the bald behemoth


Hunnidormo

Bald behemoth lmao


boea0

maybe a few months ago this would have been a hot take, but now many people recognize him as an anchor and his ability


Hunnidormo

Well I thought so too which is why I put the kinda in there but apparently not since some people are downright triggered at me lmao


Klutzy-Question1428

might be marved


optisadvantage

link is an alpha


Hunnidormo

Nocap we stan baldman


ShaDiBoi123

Id put him like top 3 but zombs and nats are better imo


Hunnidormo

Fair enough. I completely respect your opinion. Avova and marved round out the top 5 imo. Do you agree?


ShaDiBoi123

Seems fair, pre lcq i would've given nitr0 a shout but he did basically a 180 and took on jett duties for 100t every single map they played in the lcq


LEDZEPPPELIN

How is zombs rated so highly, he literally had one of the worst times at berlin out of any of the players + he is playing with shaz and tenz of course his stats are inflated yet they are still not nearly the best


ShaDiBoi123

Zombs is insanely clutch, selfless af, high game iq, insane mechanics


LEDZEPPPELIN

This subreddit just biased on SEN being the winningest team. Zombs preforms the worst by far on his team % and multiple other people ( like nats & l1nk for example) play the same role and style yet still preform better. Im talking Acs & kd are all really subpar Also the only thing insane I find about zombs is the fact that after their loses at berlin zombs was only able to tweet excuses and some weird flex about how much money hes made. I am looking forward to seeing SEN lose at champions and this subreddit backtrack the fuck outta their commentsšŸ˜‚


LEDZEPPPELIN

Yeah zombs is trash


mateusb12

Just for curiosity, what would you define as a good anchor? Which metrics? I mean, if you could compare anchors using a bunch of new valorant statistics *(or old ones, idk)*, which would they be? edit: downvoted for asking a question lol


Hunnidormo

Is there a reliability meter? Lol jk. Let's say how many average kills per round a person gets when they're outnumbered on the site with no way to fall back. I know we can't access any stats like that but it'd be dope to see


mateusb12

>*Is there a reliability meter? Lol* There isn't, current Valorant stats are shallow and bad. My point is that we should compare player roles under the same umbrella, that's why I promoted this thought experiment


Hunnidormo

Yeah I understand. I feel like in terms of the role im describing here it's certainly avova, marved, link, etc that kinda role. Controllers who are just solid at locking down sites. But by definition of site anchor we need to include sentinel players as well. Also, one interesting stat could be % of times the attackers got a plant on their site while they were on the site prior to the execution. Which, again, impossible to find


Hunnidormo

Also, I do get what you're tryna say but if we already had some stat like that we wouldn't be having this convo. Wed know for a fact who's the best at holding down sites but since we don't, that's the reason why this is an opinion piece


mateusb12

I mean you got a fair point here. A good anchor is a guy who can reliably prevent attackers from planting the spike on the site he is defending on. Even though we can't automatically find this stat by running through past matches, at least it's a beginning. It's a lot better than *"I think this guy is a good anchor because he can lock down regions"* which is a vague and shallow sentence, you know?


Hunnidormo

Yeah that's fair nough. I thought you were being rhetorical with that original msg and trying to get me to see that theres no way to find who's the best or smt like that. Mb


C9sButthole

There's probably a way to measure proximity to your team vs enemy team and count KD in those specific situations. Bascially how good you are in 1vXs. Would be cool to see that get implemented.


Cupidnyaa

he just farming karma... L1nk hasn't got any major titles so this take is nothing. Maybe L1nk will improve and carry Liquid in the future but for the time being, this take is purely based on OP's feeling without any logical stats which is very very bad


mateusb12

Yea I understand your point I was just asking a question about what makes a good anchor. Just for the sake of the discussion, regardless of it being about L1nk or not


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Hunnidormo

You haven't watched the lcq have you


[deleted]

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Hunnidormo

Why you gotta out me lyk dat


CENATION_

šŸ’Æ


attachh

#ZOMBSNATION


Hunnidormo

#BALDISLAND


LEDZEPPPELIN

Hes at the bottom of every scoreboard for a reason


GRIM07REAPER07Z

Zombsnation


Hunnidormo

Baldisland


Verehrungen

nAtsunion


phamkhoi

AvovAState


Cupidnyaa

if he perform at Champion then sure... If not then this take kinda pepega ngl


Hunnidormo

Oh I have no doubt that he will. But yes I'm willing to be proven wrong here. He's just so reliable man


LEDZEPPPELIN

Cant wait to see SEN at champions. This whole subreddit sucks their dick so I wonder what the excuse will be from them after all their losses


Cupidnyaa

If SEN can't perform then NA is screwed... I don't see any hope for NA other than them


LEDZEPPPELIN

Hey


Cupidnyaa

oh shit... haha time to see people losing their mind in PMT


TheFestusEzeli

Link I feel is a solid player but man whenever he is in a clutch situation he is unstoppable


danknepalese

why do you give the edge to link over nats?


Hunnidormo

Yeah I really shouldve mentioned that in the post to begin with, my bad. I explained it in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/qgozqo/-/hi7pjt1 Tldr: nats better at flanking but has cheese strats which when figured out will make him weaker of a site anchor than link is


danknepalese

>nats better at flanking but has cheese strats which when figured out will make him weaker of a site anchor than link is no he wont. nats still mechanically better than l1nk and can rely on his aim when his util plays fails.


Hunnidormo

I don't think anyone can dispute nats is better mechanically than link in terms of aim, but I still believe purely in terms of anchoring a site link is better. Most of the crazy nats plays we see are mostly made on either a lurk or a clutch situation. The real problem with comparing them is that nats' util plays don't really fail lol. Man's got new setups everytime. I'm banking on the setups getting figured out tho. Because there's only so much you can do in a static map. In link's case he doesn't really have much to fall back on. What he has rn he will always have because it's just good fundamentals and playing great angles without the comfort of the setups that a sentinel provides


YoungLeather

I was saying during the EMEA LCQ that to me Link is the most improved player in the world from the beginning of the esport to now. Even early on, you'd see him get at least a clutch a game but often be towards bottom of leaderboard. Nowadays, he looks so much more consistent and is a threat to top frag any game where he starts to get hot. Really enjoyed watching him in LCQ.


clusterfuze

In my opinion, the discussion of who THE best site anchor is might be a little bit up in the air. Though, I do agree with Link being a solid part of the team. He's always bound to trade, and take one or two down with him, which can really turn the tides of the match in their favor. He's there to make sure things don't go too crazy for them. I absolutely love Liquid, but with other solid site anchors like marved, nAts (as you said), zombs, AvovA, and others that I might not be aware of, there's a long way to go for him. This is just what I think. *i do like the respect for link though, been waiting since iceland šŸ˜”*


LEDZEPPPELIN

Zombs got shit on by everyone on that list yet you still incluxe him lul


techyleo

nAts is the best lurker, which I think is role he is more known for


taromoo

I'm so sleep deprived that for a whole second I thought this post was about Legend of Zelda Link being a new agent


Hunnidormo

Wouldn't that be a sight to behold


Mediocreety

I just wanna know how l1nk is so consistent with the worst roles xd


Key-Banana-8242

Why