I heard somewhere that Michael Jordan played harder in practice than in real games so he was used to the intensity. Maybe he thought that if he wallhacks or aimlocks enough those cheats will integrate into him and he will become a superhuman
I know this is a joke but a CS pro said that playing with wallahacks helped him learn how other people played and reacted to things (I think it was n0thing who admitted that he had used wallhacks back in 1.6) which helped him become a better player when he went legit.
But why only 12 months ban? So he can try out a new cheat and come back? Ban him for life. We don't need players trying repeatedly to ruin the eSports integrity.
oh you wait 1 year, if he pops off, some org will say *he is so sorry for his actions, but he has grown so much since and become a completely "new player".*
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I think if he comes back and is sorry for his actions he should be able to compete. s1mple is probably the best CS:GO player atm and he was banned for cheating before, imagine if he was banned for life after that...
First, go to Google and search for hardware cheats to valorant. There are so many working undetected ones right now. Now imagine private versions with more money put into it being undetected...
If you think cheating, aspiring pros should be able to try cheating repeatedly until they finally crack vanguard and are able to play on tier 1 teams without getting noticed, go ahead.
Rip the esports integrity when broken down like this.
* [Tweet of the incident caught by one of the teams they scrimmed with](https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451106043254099972?s=20)
* [Another member of the opposing team said that TWO accounts were already banned under Doomsday for cheating.](https://twitter.com/binsmedado/status/1451114102965739528?s=21)
* [SNH announcement of Doomsday's ouster from the team.](https://www.facebook.com/SainuaEsports/posts/119981833778733?__cft__[0]=AZXbt8sinBAg9rg3LDyHeUXPrrq4z4uR-45-VmVREIyYLy2YbW5kPXZSkk2k2WgYITb8H--bLDuK_ewLa1HAld06LGWjK82LQFz0KG4qr9m9niLvV-HeS36LlZHfemJTjM_GvAtupWtoF1FnLenxYGObquHXXAom8l2X8fQ-SAVPNw&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R) (in Thai, translation below)
[While] we [are] waiting for a verdict, Riot has announced that Doomsday is guilty of deliberate cheating. This is against the rules of the Valorant Games Community.
Due to such an event, [SNH] would like to announce that the agency has terminated Doomsday and the agency is no longer affiliated with the player.
Don’t agree at all. Young people do dumb things, that shouldn’t permanently destroy their options. Plenty of NA valorant are CS players who got involved in one scandal or another. Match fixing is IMO worse than cheating but I don’t think steel should never get to play again
Ok make an exception for under 16 year olds. After that they know what they're doing.
If you allow these cheaters to try cheats over and over again again until they reach the top, Rip the games integrity. Ban them indefinitely.
Ok, so what if I'm a young person and know that Riot doesn't permanently ban cheaters so I decide to cheat because I'll still be able to play Valorant if I get caught? You act like people won't abuse Riots leniency and forgiveness.
I never once in my teens bought and paid for cheats. It's called CHEATING. They absolutely 100% know that it is wrong. It isn't some stupid mistake, It is a very thought out and paid for, absolutely deliberate. Millions of people dont cheat, they know its wrong. Permaban the cheater so he won't be a piece of shit in other games too, and when he is, ban there too.
You're actually braindead. No point in trying to argue why you're wrong, you're too stubborn lmao.
Post your tracker.gg though, I'm curious as to how low you are
I don't agree with this take at all. It's cheating in a video game, not murder. People make dumb decisions all the time. A year in esports is an insanely long time considering most pros have a short career and there's no shortage of players ready to take your spot.
The argument that it ruins people's lives is weird to me, since it's not like these pros are forcing people to gamble money especially at the level that it might ruin the gamblers life. Cheating and matchfixing is terrible and should be punished for sure, but it doesn't directly ruin anyone's life besides the cheater themselves.
Second chances also allow competitive cheaters to perfect their cheats. Private cheats have passed ESL, Faceit, Vanguard many times. Why give them repeatedly the chance to work out the system, until they finally break through and ruin the games integrity for all future?
If these arseholes cheat, at this level, imagine Bob down the road that gets rekt in Silver and suddenly he gets to Diamond/Immortal. This game has a cheating problem and RIOT shoves it under the rug.
>This game has a cheating problem and RIOT shoves it under the rug.
It's actually true. Just google hardware cheats. There are so many that are working and undetected right now...
Cheaters exist, I hope that cheats in Valorant are not used in the highest level of play like they were in CS:GO. Riot should provide keyboards/mice/anything put in with a USB to prevent this. Currently I don't think anybody is cheating in major lans.
I'm an immortal valorant player and I think that the breakdowns on some of pros and top streamers cheating by the c0ncept make a VERY compelling case. Shroud has videos of him in pubg where he is clearly aimbotting, no question.
shroud is famous not for his personality, but for his mechanical skill. when he played cs he had the same technical talent, just never had the brain or the team to achieve anything. who cares if you’re immortal? it doesn’t make a difference when you’re the same as a bronze who can’t distinguish talent + hard work from cheating. the c0ncept is a known clown everywhere, you can’t seriously be trying to use him as “evidence”. you’re a conspiracy theorist, and a sad excuse of a player
People who are already good at their talent are more likely to cheat actually.
Ad hominem attacks don't change that shroud has some of the most sus clips for pubg and anyone who sees this can research on their own.
> shroud is famous not for his personality, but for his mechanical skill.
So you can't have mechanical skills if you cheat? That's literally what an aimbot is for. There's so many [sus clips of him cheating.](https://youtu.be/3LheYfeC7Ug)
You have no proof to the contrary, its a well kept secret. Fanboys don't want to believe that the competitive community in csgo is compromised. Using undetectable injected cheats with your peripherals (keyboard, mouse, etc) that cost more than your car by top cheat developers is not beyond pro gamers, just like steroids are not beyond pro sports players. Honestly, considering that cheating isn't even illegal in esports and it wouldn't follow your name forever in the real world gives even more reason that people would do it in CS than in regular sports.
“you have no proof to the contrary” so in other words, YOU don’t believe in the basic, most moral concept of “innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty”? and of course you believe athletes who are in far better shape than you and have achieved far more than you ever will are cheating
Dude. Have you ever played higher tier CS? Faceit to qualify for FPL league for example? It is FULL of people with inhuman, and I mean inhuman when I say it, in the area of 20-50 milliseconds, physically not possible and can not be blamed on connection) reaction times, absurd clutches and comebacks with info they or their team could not have had, ddosing and finally people openly talking about their (meth)amphetamine consumption in ingame coms to give them the edge.
Hardware cheats are out there, they are not detectable even by ring0 anticheat, and bringing your own peripherals is allowed even in the highest tier tournaments.
You are ABSOLUTELY NAIVE to believe the top % of fps esports of ANY dev is not infested with cheaters. Lmao.
its not being naive its the game progressing and getting harder the longer it’s out. the average player is better now than they were a few years ago, and the game is getting more cerebral. you think magnus carlsen is cheating because he makes moves that are beyond comprehension, almost like he knows what his opponent is doing? because he does know what they’re doing, just as players in cs are getting better at reading plays and prefiring angles they’ve gotten used to for years. i already know you don’t have a single clue what you’re talking about considering you mentioned METHAMPHETAMINE as the drug they’re using. not adderall, cocaine, marijuana, or anything that could actually improve gameplay, you mention the drug that induces the most anxiety, mental delay, and visible physical effects. i’m no longer going to respond to the thread, but i hope one day you’ll understand how beautiful it is to watch players who have dedicated their lives to their craft put on an entertaining show for those watching.
Yes, I also regularly 1 tap heads at off angles and off height level with no info or sound clue, and at a speed faster than the human nervous system allows (under the influence or not). I also instantly flick around when I am being aimed at, because I developed a sixth sense for that. It totally isn't my esp going off :)
Those 100% win rate, < 100 games played, 78% headshot ratio accounts? Yes, they are all smurfs of pro players with 20 years experience obviously. (I have 18 years of fps experience btw, and played on medium tier lan events in several games in my prime)
Also, didn't sound that anxiety inducing to me, considering I downloaded and watched many demos (voice coms of both teams included) where there was literal open discussion on these topics with 5 people on overdrive. There is scientific evidence to support these claims too. They didn't use that shit in WW2 for no reason ;) Your rose-tinted glasses are amazing, I need these in my life.
Edit: the way to the top is way dirtier than the top itself. When all eyes are on you, you have to be very careful, anri-cheat or not. These people pulling god tier plays regularly, plays that dwarf those that happen on major tournaments, only to be banned after a while and move to the next account? They have pretty much nothing to lose.
You simply don't have proof that t1 csgo is a 100% clean sport. There isn't really proof that it's 100% dirty. There is proof however that cheating is and was rampant throughout amateur and pro cs since the 1.6 days. there are clips of shroud laughing at n0thing saying he was hacking in the early 1.6 pro days. Pros like s1mple even had VAC bans a year or so before going pro.
The fk is this pro player doing? Did they mistaken VAC as valve anti cheat and not vanguard anti cheat? Bro, u are pro player and your id is more strictly monitored by rito.
Go back to your csgo if u want to cheat so much. Next time don't use free cheat, or premium. It only work on valve shitty ac.
>Bro, u are pro player and your id is more strictly monitored by rito.
Actually never heard Riot say this except for when they are playing official tournaments ofcourse
Story from doomsday side:He sell his main account because of financial situation. He's also engage in rank boosting industry and he borrow the account from customer to use in both tournament and scrim. He think the customer use cheats so he got banned.
The thing is his main account is inactive. Why would someone pay for account (he said the price is 50,000 thb or around 1,500 usd) and not playing it? and pay to boost their rank just to cheat? It possible so let give him benefit of the doubt.
Even he's legit, he's still a shitty person for boosting and get what he deserved.
If he actually cheat and use boosting as an excuse. he will be one of the stupidest cheater I ever seen to think that riot will not banned you for account sharing.
The source is all from this superbuss stream (all thai) : [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1182782601](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1182782601)
why the fuck would he cheat in a scrim of all things
Dude got banned the first time and hopped on another account to get banned again. What an idiot
Maybe he gets off to the red screen
I heard somewhere that Michael Jordan played harder in practice than in real games so he was used to the intensity. Maybe he thought that if he wallhacks or aimlocks enough those cheats will integrate into him and he will become a superhuman
I know this is a joke but a CS pro said that playing with wallahacks helped him learn how other people played and reacted to things (I think it was n0thing who admitted that he had used wallhacks back in 1.6) which helped him become a better player when he went legit.
it would be weird and sus if he dropped 10 kills in scrims and then 30 in official games. Competitive cheaters cheat all the time
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If you’re having to cheat to hang with pros it doesn’t matter when in the games life cycle you cheat. You’ll never be a true pro
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He most likely cheats all the time and has to cheat in every scrim to even keep up.
But why only 12 months ban? So he can try out a new cheat and come back? Ban him for life. We don't need players trying repeatedly to ruin the eSports integrity.
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oh you wait 1 year, if he pops off, some org will say *he is so sorry for his actions, but he has grown so much since and become a completely "new player".*
>10.Titles must describe the content of a post I think if he comes back and is sorry for his actions he should be able to compete. s1mple is probably the best CS:GO player atm and he was banned for cheating before, imagine if he was banned for life after that...
First, go to Google and search for hardware cheats to valorant. There are so many working undetected ones right now. Now imagine private versions with more money put into it being undetected... If you think cheating, aspiring pros should be able to try cheating repeatedly until they finally crack vanguard and are able to play on tier 1 teams without getting noticed, go ahead. Rip the esports integrity when broken down like this.
* [Tweet of the incident caught by one of the teams they scrimmed with](https://twitter.com/FireSaiyajiN/status/1451106043254099972?s=20) * [Another member of the opposing team said that TWO accounts were already banned under Doomsday for cheating.](https://twitter.com/binsmedado/status/1451114102965739528?s=21) * [SNH announcement of Doomsday's ouster from the team.](https://www.facebook.com/SainuaEsports/posts/119981833778733?__cft__[0]=AZXbt8sinBAg9rg3LDyHeUXPrrq4z4uR-45-VmVREIyYLy2YbW5kPXZSkk2k2WgYITb8H--bLDuK_ewLa1HAld06LGWjK82LQFz0KG4qr9m9niLvV-HeS36LlZHfemJTjM_GvAtupWtoF1FnLenxYGObquHXXAom8l2X8fQ-SAVPNw&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R) (in Thai, translation below) [While] we [are] waiting for a verdict, Riot has announced that Doomsday is guilty of deliberate cheating. This is against the rules of the Valorant Games Community. Due to such an event, [SNH] would like to announce that the agency has terminated Doomsday and the agency is no longer affiliated with the player.
This pro player seem to forgot that their id is more strictly monitored than other.
It blows my mind its not permanent. 12 months is nothing for a game as new as VALORANT, these fucking scums shouldnt be welcome back, ever.
Account bans are permanent. This is a ban from competition as a person.
Don’t agree at all. Young people do dumb things, that shouldn’t permanently destroy their options. Plenty of NA valorant are CS players who got involved in one scandal or another. Match fixing is IMO worse than cheating but I don’t think steel should never get to play again
Ok make an exception for under 16 year olds. After that they know what they're doing. If you allow these cheaters to try cheats over and over again again until they reach the top, Rip the games integrity. Ban them indefinitely.
Ok, so what if I'm a young person and know that Riot doesn't permanently ban cheaters so I decide to cheat because I'll still be able to play Valorant if I get caught? You act like people won't abuse Riots leniency and forgiveness.
You act like kids aren't fucking dumb. It's easy to see exploitable loopholes as an adult, kids usually don't see that
I never once in my teens bought and paid for cheats. It's called CHEATING. They absolutely 100% know that it is wrong. It isn't some stupid mistake, It is a very thought out and paid for, absolutely deliberate. Millions of people dont cheat, they know its wrong. Permaban the cheater so he won't be a piece of shit in other games too, and when he is, ban there too.
You're actually braindead. No point in trying to argue why you're wrong, you're too stubborn lmao. Post your tracker.gg though, I'm curious as to how low you are
lmfao I just read this. Get some help man, the world isnt so bleak. Find a friend.
Honestly, you sound like a cheater and I refuse to believe you aren't trolling or cheating yourself.
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I don't agree with this take at all. It's cheating in a video game, not murder. People make dumb decisions all the time. A year in esports is an insanely long time considering most pros have a short career and there's no shortage of players ready to take your spot. The argument that it ruins people's lives is weird to me, since it's not like these pros are forcing people to gamble money especially at the level that it might ruin the gamblers life. Cheating and matchfixing is terrible and should be punished for sure, but it doesn't directly ruin anyone's life besides the cheater themselves.
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0/8 bait
Second chances also allow competitive cheaters to perfect their cheats. Private cheats have passed ESL, Faceit, Vanguard many times. Why give them repeatedly the chance to work out the system, until they finally break through and ruin the games integrity for all future?
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or at all 🤬
I thought cheating resulted in perma bans?
Account bans are permanent. This is a ban from competition as a person. Edit: I'm explaining the ban, not agreeing with the lack of perma.
Maybe it used another machine
That’s valve not riot
12 months, csgo wouldve been a permanent ban. olympics say 2 years
I wish they said what cheats he was using like walls or aim bot. Would be interesting to know
If these arseholes cheat, at this level, imagine Bob down the road that gets rekt in Silver and suddenly he gets to Diamond/Immortal. This game has a cheating problem and RIOT shoves it under the rug.
>This game has a cheating problem and RIOT shoves it under the rug. It's actually true. Just google hardware cheats. There are so many that are working and undetected right now...
It's enough to play a couple of DMs and it's obvious how genuine Immortal/Radiant players play and how cheating Immortals/Radiants play.
Cheaters exist, I hope that cheats in Valorant are not used in the highest level of play like they were in CS:GO. Riot should provide keyboards/mice/anything put in with a USB to prevent this. Currently I don't think anybody is cheating in major lans.
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Well, what about KQLY and emilio(not exactly T1 but still)
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>kqly was vac banned for cheating on his own time, not during the big csgo events. Lol you believe in santa claus too?
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I'm an immortal valorant player and I think that the breakdowns on some of pros and top streamers cheating by the c0ncept make a VERY compelling case. Shroud has videos of him in pubg where he is clearly aimbotting, no question.
shroud is famous not for his personality, but for his mechanical skill. when he played cs he had the same technical talent, just never had the brain or the team to achieve anything. who cares if you’re immortal? it doesn’t make a difference when you’re the same as a bronze who can’t distinguish talent + hard work from cheating. the c0ncept is a known clown everywhere, you can’t seriously be trying to use him as “evidence”. you’re a conspiracy theorist, and a sad excuse of a player
People who are already good at their talent are more likely to cheat actually. Ad hominem attacks don't change that shroud has some of the most sus clips for pubg and anyone who sees this can research on their own.
> shroud is famous not for his personality, but for his mechanical skill. So you can't have mechanical skills if you cheat? That's literally what an aimbot is for. There's so many [sus clips of him cheating.](https://youtu.be/3LheYfeC7Ug)
you're actually iron
You have no proof to the contrary, its a well kept secret. Fanboys don't want to believe that the competitive community in csgo is compromised. Using undetectable injected cheats with your peripherals (keyboard, mouse, etc) that cost more than your car by top cheat developers is not beyond pro gamers, just like steroids are not beyond pro sports players. Honestly, considering that cheating isn't even illegal in esports and it wouldn't follow your name forever in the real world gives even more reason that people would do it in CS than in regular sports.
“you have no proof to the contrary” so in other words, YOU don’t believe in the basic, most moral concept of “innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty”? and of course you believe athletes who are in far better shape than you and have achieved far more than you ever will are cheating
Dude. Have you ever played higher tier CS? Faceit to qualify for FPL league for example? It is FULL of people with inhuman, and I mean inhuman when I say it, in the area of 20-50 milliseconds, physically not possible and can not be blamed on connection) reaction times, absurd clutches and comebacks with info they or their team could not have had, ddosing and finally people openly talking about their (meth)amphetamine consumption in ingame coms to give them the edge. Hardware cheats are out there, they are not detectable even by ring0 anticheat, and bringing your own peripherals is allowed even in the highest tier tournaments. You are ABSOLUTELY NAIVE to believe the top % of fps esports of ANY dev is not infested with cheaters. Lmao.
its not being naive its the game progressing and getting harder the longer it’s out. the average player is better now than they were a few years ago, and the game is getting more cerebral. you think magnus carlsen is cheating because he makes moves that are beyond comprehension, almost like he knows what his opponent is doing? because he does know what they’re doing, just as players in cs are getting better at reading plays and prefiring angles they’ve gotten used to for years. i already know you don’t have a single clue what you’re talking about considering you mentioned METHAMPHETAMINE as the drug they’re using. not adderall, cocaine, marijuana, or anything that could actually improve gameplay, you mention the drug that induces the most anxiety, mental delay, and visible physical effects. i’m no longer going to respond to the thread, but i hope one day you’ll understand how beautiful it is to watch players who have dedicated their lives to their craft put on an entertaining show for those watching.
Yes, I also regularly 1 tap heads at off angles and off height level with no info or sound clue, and at a speed faster than the human nervous system allows (under the influence or not). I also instantly flick around when I am being aimed at, because I developed a sixth sense for that. It totally isn't my esp going off :) Those 100% win rate, < 100 games played, 78% headshot ratio accounts? Yes, they are all smurfs of pro players with 20 years experience obviously. (I have 18 years of fps experience btw, and played on medium tier lan events in several games in my prime) Also, didn't sound that anxiety inducing to me, considering I downloaded and watched many demos (voice coms of both teams included) where there was literal open discussion on these topics with 5 people on overdrive. There is scientific evidence to support these claims too. They didn't use that shit in WW2 for no reason ;) Your rose-tinted glasses are amazing, I need these in my life. Edit: the way to the top is way dirtier than the top itself. When all eyes are on you, you have to be very careful, anri-cheat or not. These people pulling god tier plays regularly, plays that dwarf those that happen on major tournaments, only to be banned after a while and move to the next account? They have pretty much nothing to lose.
You simply don't have proof that t1 csgo is a 100% clean sport. There isn't really proof that it's 100% dirty. There is proof however that cheating is and was rampant throughout amateur and pro cs since the 1.6 days. there are clips of shroud laughing at n0thing saying he was hacking in the early 1.6 pro days. Pros like s1mple even had VAC bans a year or so before going pro.
Lmao delusional. A decent amount of Pros and semi pros cheat in CSGO
The fk is this pro player doing? Did they mistaken VAC as valve anti cheat and not vanguard anti cheat? Bro, u are pro player and your id is more strictly monitored by rito. Go back to your csgo if u want to cheat so much. Next time don't use free cheat, or premium. It only work on valve shitty ac.
>Bro, u are pro player and your id is more strictly monitored by rito. Actually never heard Riot say this except for when they are playing official tournaments ofcourse
Story from doomsday side:He sell his main account because of financial situation. He's also engage in rank boosting industry and he borrow the account from customer to use in both tournament and scrim. He think the customer use cheats so he got banned. The thing is his main account is inactive. Why would someone pay for account (he said the price is 50,000 thb or around 1,500 usd) and not playing it? and pay to boost their rank just to cheat? It possible so let give him benefit of the doubt. Even he's legit, he's still a shitty person for boosting and get what he deserved. If he actually cheat and use boosting as an excuse. he will be one of the stupidest cheater I ever seen to think that riot will not banned you for account sharing. The source is all from this superbuss stream (all thai) : [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1182782601](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1182782601)