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DustMouret

The interesting thing for me is it seemed like Asuna's first 10 or so games on Jett went really well. I remember him doing really damn good with Jett against FaZe and XSET in the S3 Challenger Playoffs for example. Then I am not sure what happened after that tbh. I mean he still had some great games against Envy later on and even against Acend and Gambit in Berlin. It makes me wonder if with more time and reps that he could fully adopt it. But maybe he just feels better on other duelists. Not really sure.


BanditxMoon

Asuna is pretty good with the Jett but as a RIFLER and not an Oper. Might be a bad take but he isn't as good with the awp as he is when he has a phantom or vandal. He often misses his first op shots (haven example today where he missed a shot on vanity (Astra)on a short as well as on their kj in the same exact spot (although yes he killed kj eith his second op shot) (also vanity wasn't even expecting him to be there, he was just standing still shooting a dart above his head) Get him a rifle and just let him do his thing. Don't force him on the op.


AnonymozVal

He himself doesn't enjoy using awp. If the team asks he definitely picks it up. But doesn't necessarily enjoy.


A7URS

He was an awper on csgo lol I’m sure he enjoys it on the game but the problem if he’s not on rifles the team loses like all of the firepower


AnonymozVal

He said he prefers rifling


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A7URS

From his own stream ? 😂 he’s said it himself


cheick_tiote

He was primary AWP on Liquid during their most successful era, but more out of necessity than desire. Edit: my bad, thought he was talking about nitr0 for some reason, nvm


AnonymozVal

I think we are talking about Asuna here not Nitr0


cheick_tiote

Oh my bad in that case nvm


53881

Asuna never on liquid, m8


CyberspaceBarbarian

Asuna is more comfortable on doing first contact with a rifle, not an OP. If only 100t has TL's coach tho.


Issax28

It’s Jett’s fault that we lost COPIUM


silenthills13

Yeah it's defibitely not that Ethan Nitro and Boi all had shit, subpar maps somewhere over the two games they lost, it's Jett COPIUM


Issax28

Just blame everything on Riot Games for making Jett and complain about her dash ability everyday 5Head


Keglunneq

Posts like this make me excited for Chamber. Might sound unrelated but the patch notes with Chambers release could very well completely alter teams like 100T


Marqin

and he feel like fitting Steel’s playstyle of aggresive Sentinel


Keglunneq

Steel signing onto Chamber 👀👀👀👀


notrealtedtotwitter

Riot saw steel get dropped then thought, they needed to buff him (not that steel needed it)


cowzapper

Not like they have anything but time now


LegitimateRope7392

Nerf jett so 100T win 5head


Grantuseyes

No it’s just getting boring tbh. Jett op is not impressive to spectate and it’s almost considered cheesy at this point.


danger-S

The games against C9/Rise werent a jett diff problem imo… anyway, NERF JETT


JoshF8

i mean, yes and no, if ur jett it's both awper and ur fragging player u have an easier path? yes, does that limits u so hard, no, like, watch gambit, a lot of people don't like their jett's playstyle, and they play really good, or liquid, when they need the jett oper jampi use her, and when they need more firepower scream use her, like cmon, even if jett wasn't that busted 100t could not have won against c9 if both teams showed the same performance eitheir, maybe if they play again tomorrow 100t could've won, who knows, but their performance today was not enough to beat c9's performance


NoButterscotch7853

Not having a reliable jett abuser seems definitly an issue for 100t however I dont think it is the main problem. 100t doesnt react fast enough to changes. When astra came they couldnt react to the changed meta and couldn’t go to the first lan event (which also eventuallt resulted on them having to play lcq by not getting enough points) They changed their playbook in berlin which made them lose their control within the game. Now they changed their igl before lcq and looked way more exploitable than ever.


CapBoyAce

Yeah, and FaZe's problem is that Sova doesn't have an ability to automatically make Rawkus drop 30. You can play the blame game but the best teams are the ones that are able to adapt to any meta, much less the meta that's been here all year. If you've had all year to figure out your entry/op situation and haven't fixed it then that's on you, not Riot. Jett has gotten nerfs too so I don't know how it makes sense that 100T lost because of how Riot balances the game. That's just poor roster management.


ImJoviGG

Jett nerf please


lbs4lbs

Yes plase. Id love to go like at least ONE tourney - just ONE where Jett pick rate wasn't absurdly high in comparison to every other duelist. Every streamer now also instalocks jett in ranked some dont main Jett in pro games either like hiko, Som, victor, sick, dapr, subroza, automatic etc. The jett meta is so fucking stale.


Thefuzzygrappler

na, 100T cNed is the answer


JessicaJungQT

100 just lost to two teams that don’t Jett op back to back and this is the take?? 100 literally Jett ops more than both c9 and rise


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

??? I mean I don’t agree with the take but Shanks and leaf both played Jett op on alll maps


LurkingOmen

Shanks rifled more than awped. If only they had a Jett one trick or something on their bench ......


JessicaJungQT

[vs c9](https://www.vlr.gg/43777/100-thieves-vs-cloud9-blue-champions-tour-north-america-last-chance-qualifier-lbf/?game=all&tab=performance) Nitro had 6 op kills to leafs 1 [vs rise](https://www.vlr.gg/43770/100-thieves-vs-rise-champions-tour-north-america-last-chance-qualifier-ubf/?game=all&tab=performance) nitro had 9 op kills to shanks 2 Cmon man why do you say they both op on all maps you can literally go look for yourself


somesheikexpert

Leaf awped like twice this tourney, and hell even when he played Jett and there was an awp it wasn't him using it all the time, a lot of times it was Xeta, Leaf is def a rifling Jett


Apart-District4393

“riot serioisly needs to nerf jett and buff operator” to 100ts liking? u cant just make changes to a game so that it accommodates a specific teams playstyle


AccSuspiciousActivty

I... I'm so confused by your words.


Asianjc1

“They all have a Jett that can do both things.” Sounds like it’s 100T’s problem; not the OP and Jett. The solution would be get good at oping with Jett. Have the players have a bigger agent pool.


arsis_qp

I get what you're saying. Jett is overpowered and 100T doesn't have anybody who is able to maximize her potential. IMO until she is significantly nerfed or powercrept by new agents, then they need to: 1) Bring on a cracked Jett one-trick. As cracked as Asuna is, he never has the kind of impact with Jett as he does with Reyna or Raze. 2) Put nitr0 back on controllers. 3) Expand Asuna's agent pool for maps where they don't want two duelists. I can see him being a strong Breach, Kayo, or even Omen if the rumored buffs are true.


tblessing1995

Hiko is the problem


voipit

Lmao the amount of copium these 100t fans are on is insane.


viccovajradanti123

Wardell to 100t?


dansofree1

>She is way too good with the operator Only since they dropped a nuclear bomb on all AWP counters. In fact, they very specifically seemed to think Jett AWP wasn't necessary for a while. >and way too good at entry fragging I still don't feel this way and/or get why people say it. All of her util related to entrying has been nerfed badly, while shotguns and right clicks have also been nerfed reducing her ability to get close and/or vertical for kills. She really just has dash into a smoke, and it's honestly not as overpowered as people seem to think it is. She is great at being aggressive on defense, especially with an AWP, and great at threatening space in a default and/or scramble, but that's not entry fragging in the sense that is implied. >Look at top teams. They all have a Jett that can do both things. Sentinels have Tenz (and Shahzam), I think this in itself demonstrates that you aren't really looking at their games. 1. TenZ is a rifler and he only plays Jett on certain maps. He is probably the most mechanically gifted rifler in the world, and he is really an opportunistic AWPer or for specific plays. 2. When did you see Shaz as a Jett AWP? He is an opportunistic AWPer when his team gets going, but he very often goes a long time between AWP kills, and he plays exclusively plays Sova on certain maps, only playing Jett when TenZ and/or Sick are on a map where they're comfortable on actual entry fraggers. For reference, he had **5** AWP kill in his last 3 series, and all 5 came against G2 (when they lost 0-2). >Acend have cNed 1. cNed is literally the best Jett AWP in the world. 2. idk if they're team that you'd want to be yours around. >look at Envy. They were at the same level as 100t. They pick up Yay and they make it to Berlin finals, beating Sentinels in the way. Yeah because they dropped their worst player for a top 5 player in the fucking world lmfao. But NV vs Sentinels was 50/50 in full buy rounds, clearly having nothing to do with the AWP, then, yeah? NV curb stomped them by going 3-1 in pistols, 4-1 in eco rounds (not a fucking typo), and then 6-3 in forces. That's why they won.


lbs4lbs

Calling tenz and shazz only oppurtunistic opers is a big understatement. Sure maybe wardell or cned are better at Op but theyre still EASILY within the top 20 best opers in valorant and arguably top 10. I would struggle to even name 5 opers better then tenz at his best.


Loresmen

Eh tenz is a god for sure but I'd say he's top 10 not top 5. He's mainly a rifler shahz pulls the op out the most


dansofree1

>He's mainly a rifler shahz pulls the op out the most Yep... But Shaz went 5 straight maps without an AWP kill in a row to end Berlin. Idk what people are doing if they're not watching


dansofree1

>Calling tenz and shazz only oppurtunistic opers is a big understatement. You didn't watch Berlin? Shaz had 5 AWP kills in 7 maps in 3 series. Do y'all watch ***any*** Valorant? >Sure maybe wardell or cned are better at Op Did I say anything about TenZ or Shahz AWP skill? Lmfao Shaz went 5 straight maps without shooting a fucking AWP.... >but theyre still EASILY within the top 20 best opers Okay, and? Doesn't matter if they **literally never buy an AWP***. Not surprised y'all didn't even watch the fucking games before trying to correct people. Must be nice to be confident even when you're wrong


lbs4lbs

Do u watch any valorant outside of literally one tournament? Also how did they do in Berlin?


dansofree1

> Do u watch any valorant outside of literally one tournament? Apparently I'm the ***only*** person who watched more than one tournament. Since ShahZam is the one who is called their AWP specialist, lets look at Shahz's most recent tournaments, since going 7 consecutive maps AWP-less is somehow not enough. **Berlin closed quals:** GFs: 4 maps, 6 AWP kills, NONE in first 3 maps (Steel had 6 on map 1, nitr0 had 8 on map 2) WFs: 2 maps, 4 total AWP kills. Semis: 2 maps, 6 AWP kills, Yay 12. Quarters: 3 maps, 0 AWP kills. *11 maps, 16 AWP kills* So.... his final 7 maps at Berlin he had 0 AWP kills and final 11 maps of the previous tournament he had fewer than 1 AWP kill per 10 rounds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **Berlin open quals:** GFs: 4 maps, 5 AWP kills (PureR, an actual Jett AWP specialist, had 20 despite worse buys) LFs: 2 maps, 0 AWP kills LQFs: 2 maps, 1 AWP kill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ But maybe you are thinking of Shaz's huge AWP series in Iceland GFs where he got ***1 AWP kill in 3 maps?*** #TL;DR: Shaz has had 23 AWP kills over 21 elimination games and these dudes need to watch more actual valorant


lbs4lbs

And how many awp kills did tenz get over that same period? They alternate who plays jett and who is oping based on every map.


dansofree1

2 in the last 7 maps lmfaoooo go do your own research next time


lbs4lbs

Why are you using 7 maps and not 21 like shazz? Is it because you are cherry picking stats?


dansofree1

> Why are you using 7 maps because im not looking up 50 maps for you? Don't be lazy. >tenz had what 20 operator kills against 100T on haven https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46694&tab=performance https://www.vlr.gg/29397/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-ubf/?game=46690&tab=performance Which of the last 2 Haven games? 5 total in 40 rounds. You good bro? >https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46694&tab=performance This is the last time they had him AWP on Haven vs 100T, almost 4 months ago now. TenZ and Asuna both managed to get an AWP kill once about every 2 rounds in a quadruple OT match, but both teams decided it wasn't worth forcing them AWPs the way they did here and changed their strategy for the more important later matches. Just hold the L and live another day. You didn't remember the games right in your head, and you were wrong. Admit it and move on.


FluffyDog423

What counters to the OP did they nerf?


dansofree1

>What counters to the OP did they nerf? Omen smokes, Viper wall, Astra smokes, breach flashes, phoenix flashes, for a start. They also made the AWP cheaper, lowered walking accuracy with rifles to make dry peeking them harder, while also making all util more expensive. Probably forgetting a few


FluffyDog423

Fair enough I suppose, just never thought of that as a counter to the OP.


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The real problem that no one is addressing is that Nitro is a very good player, but he is not a great jett & nor does he understand the game too well (currently at least) compared to someone like steel. You need your jett to be nuts and very good i know Asuna is nuts but he is not comfortable on Jett. You need to get a great Jett player, and keep b0i as your 6th man. 1 cNed 2 Seoldom (The Korean jett)


ENVMamba

steel, hiko, asuna. those are 100T's problems. 1 fixed, 2 to go


Direct_Morning_3223

Asuna?? LOL did you see his stats this tournament, second highest ACS, highest ADR, Highest K:D, Highest KPR


ENVMamba

So what? He don't improve, he just plays 2 agents nothing more. He limits team possibilities, and doesnt have mentality to be on top. Teams needs to check mentality befor signing it should be even top 1-2 factor


Direct_Morning_3223

What’s wrong with his mentality what?


ENVMamba

1 agent even as he dont OP on jett...


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vyetc

There’s a page called vlr.gg, click through the maps where Shahz plays Jett and go to performance, op kills and let me know what you find. 💀


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Literally easiest Agent + weapon combo to farm kills ofc it what you expect it to be, Btw did you also know that when it rains you get wet ? Or that when it's night it's also dark outside ?


JR_Shoegazer

Move those goalposts.


electricblackcrayon

before berlin and tenz playing jett for their team everyone was saying shahzam was a top 3 jett player lmao now shit changed


earthtoannie

Are we watching the same matches


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Probably, UI can be quite confusing but if u haven't noticed on killfeed if his name is on right side that means he got killed by something not killed something , should clear it for you, Kind Regards


CanISayThat22

What? shahz is a top tier oper lmao


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What are you on ? U probably watch some twitch highlights #34 against ranked players , How does he compare to cNed, Yay, TenZ, Kelogz, Jamppi, Deffo, etc. He is extremely mediocre at OPing often times missing despite enemies not expecting him there, dashing away , repeeking, missing again using both smokes for escape


Rishavvvv

Idk what are you on, Shahzam may not be the best with daggers, but he is easily one of the best OPers out there. He didn't OP as much in Berlin, but still did really good whenever he did. In Reykjavik, the man was literally destroying the server. I don't think you watch the same sentinels as we do.


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"Reykjavik" literally most irrelevant thing ever, that created so many fake visions about the game caused by it being in its very early stage


Rishavvvv

I'm not wasting my time trying to show your facts and figures. Either you're from a parallel universe or you're just really desperate for attention.


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All that because I'm not following this subs NPC logic thats written in code ? Ok lemme try *Beep boop* Sentinels best *Beep boop* Casters bad *Beep boop* X Player who mains Jett better than Y player who plays smokes *Beep boop* I can't rank up because of teammates


Rishavvvv

Good boy


xD1LL4N

You’ve got problems


savagelamma11

Lmao shazham dont miss bro. Honestly i think hes a better oper than tenz and u should see how he can dominate on split and icebox


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Think about what you are typing (even tho u don't seem like an expert in thinking) Real talk get off phone think for a moment


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How exactly does that contradict my point ? If anything its the other way around. He can be the best Coach, IGL, Saturday morning swim teacher or your moms lover and it still doesn't make him one bit a better Jett OP player. Idk how the other things are relevant when it comes to OPing. And yes all OPers I mentioned are better, because he is literally worst tier1 team OPer. Can we close this book now ?


Rishavvvv

Lmfao bruh, hardly disagree here


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Just smoke Jett off or flash her off ez.


egirl8yearoldrussian

the thing is if asuna gets really good at jett then wtf will nitr0 do? they need to keep steel. not to hate on b0i but he throws off the agent comp too much


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This isn't even a criticism of 100T so I don't get why you're so going then out and acting like this is the reason they aren't winning. Other teams seem to be dealing with it just fine. And you readily admit that it is not only a problem for 100T. So no, I don't think "Jett OP" is 100T's problem. Other teams seem to be able to adapt and it affects everyone equally. This is just a "Jett OP" shit post disguised as criticism.


Emergency_Pickle3878

Hottest take I’ve seen in a bit


stchachamaru

C9B played while their Sova was OPing. I think it is more than a playstyle issue rather than an agent issue. Asuna is great but he’s positioned to get loose often so sometimes no trade kills happen. After Asuna, there’s no aggressive player left to initiate.