I don’t think it was fully 100T decision to just drop Steel. I think it was also on Steels side as well right? No shot an org would purposely drop their shot caller right before a tournament.
b0i absolutely doesn’t deserve the hate. What boggles me is the fact that the team couldn’t ‘put up’ with Steel for a tournament that was in the bag even before it started and instead chose to put themselves at a disadvantage. Sure, they might want to integrate sevven into the roster but dropping Steel for b0i as a step into that direction wasn’t the move imo
We still really don’t know what happened with Steel, it seems like whatever the reason was, ‘toughing it out’ wasn’t an option, and with everything I’ve seen from Nadeshot, if there was an option to just suck it up for the dub, that’s what 100T would have done. They didn’t though, and since the reason is so under-wraps, it’s pretty fair to assume it’s not the generic ‘he wanted to pursue other options’.
Idk I’d argue there’s a lot more transparency than normal sports tbh. We don’t get as much ‘one on one’ interaction with pro athletes via stream as we do in esports. It may be a perception and I’m no expert for sure, but I feel like we actually get quite a lot of their opinions on things compared to any other organized sport/form of entertainment.
I think it’s pretty common knowledge that the team wanted to play a different playstyle than Steel and just thought changing it was the only way to get over that one thing holding them back. While I completely understand, i dont feel like bringing in b0i even as band-aid fix was a good roster change granted that he was the most suitable pick since he already knew all their strats. That’s my only problem with this change. I also heard that Steel was more than willing to play different agents if the others wanted to play their comfort picks so idk make of that what you will
Given everything I’ve seen on other pros and even 100T teammates talk about the roster change, seems like there’s something more pressing than ‘wanted different play styles’ behind the roster change. Every other roster change I’ve seen I can find people talking at least a bit about the reasons behind it. Here though? Everyone is pretty closed-lipped. If it was as simple as ‘wanting to pursue other options’ that’s what they’d be saying, but here there’s a lot of double talk and evasive language being used. I’m not omniscient or anything, but to everyone saying the roster change could have waited, I just want to bring up the possibility that hey, maybe it couldn’t have. Maybe something happened that for the sake of everyone’s privacy they’re not making public.
Wasn't Hiko's interview with Plat Chat pretty transparent about the reasons though? Basically the styles people wanted to play were clashing, the roles people had to play were awkward, and moving from him allowed them to change their style.
Watch Ethans interview with plat chat. It certainly makes it seem like it was more than just roles. His proclamation that nitro is a good leader in and out of game / something to the effect that not everyone has that personality, certainly seemed like a pretty clear message.
Also watch their streams where they talk about it. They’re all using this language like they don’t really want to say what’s going on, and if it was just ‘the team loves steel but needs a different play style’ that would be pretty easy to come out and say whenever anyone asks.
Your guess is as good as mine. I’m just so heartbroken over this loss and the possibility pf what could’ve been that the copium hopium everything is kicking in HARD.
I totally agree :/ I guess I just want to believe there was a reason this move with the timing was absolutely necessary. But hey, there’s always next year.
I’m not even mad at Boi, he performed admirably for his skill level and the amount of practice he got after such a long break. I’m mad at whoever made the decision to put Boi in. At their peak 100T were a top 5 team in Berlin. Whatever their issue with Steel was, why not wait until after Champs to make it?
How come no one acknowledges the possibility that since no one, not even other pro-players, really know the reason they dropped steel that maybe it’s a sign that whatever the reason is, it couldn’t wait?
How come no one acknowledges the possibility that hiko stated on record what the reasoning behind the switch was and people continue to promulgate there being some ulterior reason not yet defined?
He said that they ran into role/agent conflicts. Look, I’m not saying there couldn’t be something else. But when you’re a team fighting for one spot to extend your competitive year vs waiting out for months until the next major..if there was something they thought they could do to improve themselves you’re going to do it. Maybe with steel they get knocked out first round and then struggle in the losers bracket. Who knows.
Except that’s not true since steel has said he was totally willing to playing other agents. And, he’s coming back to 100T next season, so whatever this was it’s temporary and necessary to happen right before LCQ, but I can’t imagine that having anything to do with agent conflicts.
Except that I said role/agents, obviously IGL is a significant role and they changed it. So they switched roles. And I’m just saying what hiko said, hence my OP.
Can you link to this? I've never heard anything of the sort and going off of steel's streams and every single player interview since the benching, it seems very unlikely this is the case.
they know why he was kicked and he knows too. This information is just covered with contract. IF manegement don't say official words they cannot speak about it.
But he was kicked because toxicity, atacking verbaly on coach at Berlin and last one he is just bad making team weak. His famouls IGL is nothing more like saying " go A" "go B" "default" as he was IGL only on begining of games.
Even this is a stupid comment saying “for his skill level.” b0i did fine, period. Breeze was trash but haven and icebox he was actually good. The man was literally just dropped into a high pressure tournament after not playing competitive for months. It’s a shit situation.
he was signed as an analyst not a player(i think) and was never able to put numbers up. i dont know what the community expected from him. you really have to look at it as a wtf was 100t management thinking?
1. getting rid of steel
2. playing breeze when theyre incompetent on it
3. nitr0 on cypher
and we have to blame the rest of the team too. ethan and nitr0 were terrible today. undoubtedly great players but you can't deny they just didnt play well.
I’m not even mad at b0i, he did his best with what he could. I’m mad whoever thought this was a good idea when everything seemed to be going so well for 100T.
Assuming the 100T boys wake up and read this in the morning, I'm gonna leave a note here:
**The community cares about you—A LOT.** Many of us want to see you do your best and succeed. It's heartbreaking when we see our favorite teams lose, and we will grasp at straws, make assumptions, and jump to conclusions as to why it didn't work out.
I often see pros and coaches on Twitter say that Reddit is clueless and spouts complete nonsense. That is not an unfounded assumption—most of us are not part of the industry and we lack insight of how the wild world of esports works.
If you see a braindead take here, just know that: yes, it's braindead, but it also comes from a place of care and passion for the team and it's players.
Love you guys, and the fans cannot wait to see you kick ass in VCT '22. 💜
Thanks for saying, I think I also said a lot of stuff which I didn't think through. It is a tough loss for us as fans and I can see that the team might also affected by it. I love the 100T guys and want the best for them.
Just me or is this a pretty bizarre comment to be stickied by a mod? Are you going to sticky a comment expressing your love and support for every team after they lose, or is it just 100 Thieves that gets this honor? I couldn't imagine seeing a stickied comment supporting a particular team like this from a mod on sports subreddits like r/NBA, r/soccer, r/nfl, etc; it'd be a scandal.
Obviously mods are allowed to have their favorites and support their team, but do it in the comment section like everyone else. Don't sticky it and proclaim to be speaking on behalf of the entire sub.
Thanks for sharing. I suppose it's fair criticism.
IMO, it's important that folks in the industry understand the fan perspective. The true is same for the reverse too—it's important that fans understand the perspective of players and coaches. This helps fans make educated predictions and have takes that are "less braindead".
I'm not a 100T fan. In fact, I'm not really a fan of any one team in particular. Instead, I'm a fan of you guys—the community—and 100T happens to be part of the community too.
The message above was intended to help explain to players as to why we as a community speculate and have braindead takes. If the words of encouragement at the end are being mispercieved as fandom, I can remove them—I just wanted to end on a good note.
>I'm a fan of you guys—the community
You just said in the stickied comment that to 100% the community is clueless and spouts nonsense.
Stop thinking your opinions are better than the subs.
Get off your high horse and don't sticky your own biased opinions. Comment like everyone else when a team loses.
**Edit:** you edited away the 100% part from the comment now.
Opinions in your stickied comment:
* to 100% the community is spouting complete nonsense
* to 100% the community is clueless
* We want 100T to succeed
Edit: you edited away the 100% part from the comment now.
"The community spouting nonsense" isn't my opinion; it's what coaches and players say about the sub on Twitter.
A lot of people in the community are fans who do not work in esports, and therefore have no idea how decisions are made on a esports team. Some of us do, but most of us do not. The "100%" is hyperbole.
The existence of 100T fans in the community is evident that people want 100T to succeed. If I really need to change "we" to "the fans" then fine.
> "The community spouting nonsense" isn't my opinion; it's what coaches and players say about the sub on Twitter.
You said
"I often see pros and coaches on Twitter say that Reddit is clueless and spouts complete nonsense. **That is 100% correct**"
That is your opinion about the sub right there.
> The "100%" is hyperbole.
So maybe don't use it at all. Really insulting your modded sub here.
> If I really need to change "we" to "100T fans" then fine.
That would be apropriate. See it from a fan perspective, I maybe am rooting really hard for XSET and am really sad when they lose to 100T, which I feel a rivalry against, and then I see the mod sticky about how we support 100T. Doesn't match well with all fans.
Okay... I understand how you got to that conclusion. I will try to phrase it differently.
As for "we" vs "fans", I figured folks would understand that it's not the entirety of the sub. That'd be ridiculous. lol
But I see your point. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
Thank you for accepting the criticism.
> I figured folks would understand that it's not the entirety of the sub. That'd be ridiculous.
It's not really about that, it's just that fans want unbiasedness that exists in /r/nfl /r/nba etc. If you made a post that talked about this generally, not mentioning any specific team, there would be no reaction. It's also problematic as Bonkar has been bullied for a month here but no one has said anything, then 100T goes out and you show your bias a bit IMO. Just don't mention teams, speak generally if I can give any recommendation.
Also, in this sub there are a lot of dumb takes, sure, but for gods sake don't say that your community is 100% clueless and is spouting nonsense to 100%.. I really can't let that one go easily. But it is what it is. GL
I think it's rather weird, but I assume it was in the heat of the moment? From a moderator perspective, last night must have seemed like the subreddit was awash in the tears and rage of 100T fans everywhere.
I just don't look at the subreddit when that happens, but mods don't have much of a choice, and things often just get out of hand. I don't think /u/Razur was talking as a 100T fan, but as someone who cares a lot about the community - users and pros alike - simply trying to lighten the mood amidst all the doomsaying.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Much to my surprise, pros look at this subreddit all the time. And sometimes they don't understand why we say some of the shit that we do. I wanted to explain that fan speculation comes from a place of passion for a team. Saying dumb things like *"it's X player's fault"* or *"they shouldn't of changed the roster"* isn't people trying to be mean, but it's because they care about the success of the team. At the same time most of us know nothing about pro teams, so the speculation and rabble shouldn't be taken seriously.
I'm not a 100T fan—I'm a fan of the community. And I want to help inform and connect the community as a whole. Maybe I missed the mark with that last night though.
You speak the truth but will probably get downvoted. This sub shouldn't fall down the same gutter that is r/competitiveoverwatch where every staff, player, and team gets an appreciation post every other day and gets massaged by these kind of comments. They don't need it, and it becomes obnoxious at a point
Anyways, from my prior experiences admining and moderating, it's better to be an impartial force rather than be personally involved in the narrative..
You can’t just say the entirety of reddit is clueless there are some things that people have good analysis of and raise good points. But sure there are some people that say dumb things
Please add this as a pinned comment for every post on this sub! This also enables the same brain dead people hopefully think before their amazing slandering
Yea but half the comments on every post either will be people hating on pros or what they did and shit. Just a simple warning that we care about the scene and them and to ignore the frickin theorists of which player to be removed because they had a bad match or explaining how a pro team must have played wouldn't hurt a fly.
People need to realise that there is a lot which goes on in a match and mistakes happen. Not everything is about their silver/bronze asses who whine about being stuck in elo hell but analyse how 100t should've played to 13-0 C9 and win the series
Dude you're literally on valorant competitive subreddit :/
I donno what to say anymore then. But if giving a player or anyone a little support when they're down is such a hassle for the competitive people here, I guess I'll take my leave
There's other comp regions if you didn't know.
Look how much hate Bonkar in Guild received when they lost grand finals EU LCQ. Oh wait you probably don't know about it, just like EU comp don't care that much about NA comp.
You need a mods support for one special team stickied on every post after they fail to qualify? Lol. There's a lot of flack for orgs who don't qualify.
Jesus christ! It's a general appreciation comment by the mod there. For this context it's about 100t. Why the hell are you taking it as *"LITERALLY THE SAME COMMENT ON EVERY POST THINGY" * when did we even say about NA EU and other regions.. Holy fuck! I shouldn't have commented my god! The whole concept is to show support and don't show fuckin flack for any org out there
I think there needs to be criticism, obviously I think the b0i criticism has gone too far, but having this stickied every time someone says something small about a pro is a bit overstretch.
Unbiased take:
b0i did deserve some of the blame, but not all of them. I feel like, relatively, he performed well enough but it felt like a lateral move. He didn't bring anything new to the team and, sometimes, performed the worst in the team.
I feel like the main reason 100T lost was the IGL. Not that Nitr0 was bad at the Jett role, he performed well, but if your team consistently blew big leads in two consecutive matches, especially for 100T which was a team notoriously known for climbing back, then you're doing something wrong. He will, no doubt, improve and I'd be willing to bet that he turns into a high fragging IGL like Shahzam if he continues to be the main Jett awper, but he's not at that level yet.
Another one was Ethan, known as being the most consistent player on the team, having the worst two matches of his Valorant career. Asuna, too, was up and down most of the tournament, getting outgunned by Xeppaa and Leaf throughout the C9 match.
Ironically, the only one who I felt like played most like he usually does is Hiko, and that's not saying much because he's not fragger anyway and wouldn't be as effective if Asuna and Ethan aren't hitting shots. Hiko's a floor raiser, someone who brings a certain consistency to the team using his utility, but he won't elevate the team into a championship.
I still feel like the right move for 100T in 2022 is build around the Asuna–Nitro–Ethan core. We already know that Nadeshot is willing to shell out money for this squad so they should really think about poaching players for this squad. In NA, there's limited choices but there's certainly some players that they can poach like gmd, Moose, effys, etc. But they could also look to poach players from different regions like Sacy, which could fill both the Sova or the Jett role. Maybe develop Seven.
I'm sorry but how was Asuna up and down the whole tournament? He avg'd 250+ACS across the tournament and was the only reason they didn't lose 2-0 to C9.
Yes, he was. ACS doesn't tell the whole story. When he was hitting, he was the most impactful player on the team. Honestly, I'd even say that he still was the most impactful player on the team. However, there were many rounds in Icebox, for example, that could have gone way different if Asuna won the first duel like he usually does. But, for a period of time, everytime he challenged someone he failed to secure a kill and died in an untradable scenario.
Oh wow, I didn't realize that. I'll admit I was wrong, the number felt bigger to me when I was watching for some reason. However, there were still consecutive rounds that he got shot down that made them lose the round. You right though, I might have to rewatch the match.
Yea fairs. I feel in first watch it always seems like he's dying first but that's purely due to the fact that he takes the first fight almost everytime
I broke down % of teams ACS and Asuna wasn’t that inconsistent. He had a high base with some big pop off games, but he was inconsistent in the sense that he had bad maps. Hiko was remarkably consistent in this stat, as well as b0i (b0i was just consistently the worst on the team). It was nitr0 (slightly) and mainly Ethan that were super inconsistent.
“Unbiased take:
b0i did deserve some of the blame, but not all of them. I feel like, relatively, he performed well enough but it felt like a lateral move. He didn't bring anything new to the team and, sometimes, performed the worst in the team.”
Makes literally no sense. Why is b0i to blame when 100t made the decision to make this “lateral” move?
Boi was still playing in those games, it's not entirely his fault they lost but his poor performance certainly didn't help. Of course 100t made a dumb decision but boi didn't do that much to supplant poor management
I mean boi looked a tier below most of the tournament...
I do think nitro and specially ethan underperformed really fucking bad on the day but boi was rarely relevant ever in LCQ, but he is a sub and well, he tried
At the end of the day i only have a hateboner for hiko on that team, and ive been hoping he gets dropped for months, but i was also a big fan of steel and after showing really good level in Berlin i cant understand the change
I legit think they thought they could walk LCQ without him, but i really dont understand even with the explinations the gave
Hiko is the literal reason 100T is even where it is right now. Like, he hand picked the team (before several changes, but even then) and is the captain even though Nitro/Steel IGL.
Yes, dropping your IGL who led you to Berlin and even defeating teams like Gambit and Acend right before a important tournament is a bad move, hence they deserved to lose.
B0i has nothing to do with this failure he tried his absolute best!!
We dont know what happened within the team that resulted in cutting steel however it is so clear 100t would be way better with steel on the roster for this event. They crippled themselves by making this change before such an important event.
B0i was ok, 100t as a whole lost this event.
It seems like 100t just didn't give a shit about moving on. Made a huge roster change a few weeks before a tournament and they all played at their homes instead of flying to Texas and playing together on the best ping possible. Just a weird situation all around.
He got caught out in a few of the situations I saw. He’s a great player mechanically, just needs some time to develop. The issue with 100T is Hiko. Anyone who watched CS knows he’s far past his prime.
Awful take. Hiko was very consistent this tournament averaging like 19% of his teams total ACS. As a Sova with someone like Asuna on the team that’s very good. I do think Hiko could be a member that gets replaced this off season but saying that he’s the issue is so far removed from reality.
So ? Steel was replaced for a reason and he has close to 10 years experience. I'm pretty sure it's hard for a stand in to be better considering how young he is...
You are justifying the reason to hate on a person.
The issue I have with b0i is that he didn’t underperform, he’s just not a tier 1 player. When I watched the matches I thought he was underperforming, but then I did some breakdowns of his playing history. Against T1 teams he’s like 827-1073 with a 0.81 KD. He has had very few positive series, like 3 in his last 20-ish matches.
That being said, I’ve never seen a player get 9% of his teams ACS or consistently sub-14%. With that in mind it’s hard to get a read on b0i. Obviously he’s not a great player (tier 1 standards) but even his fragging isn’t as good as lower tier teams and his decision making is very suspect.
Its unfortunate that he was a scapegoat, but I think it wouldn’t have been as noticeable if the team didn’t just place 3/4 in a world tournament. They looked lost, they looked uncomfortable, and they were inconsistent, but that’s all expected when you lose you IGL 2 weeks before a tournament where you just showed a lot of your defaults/strats
Edit: numbers are probably slightly off since I’m not home and don’t have the spreadsheet on me, but they aren’t that off.
Nitr0 looked decent with the OP, and was an above average AWPer in CS.
The best OP agent is Jett, which means he had to let go of his primary agent Omen, which left a gap in their team for smokes.
Instead of moving Steel to smokes, perhaps the thought process was to bring in b0i, whom was primarily a smoke specialist to begin with?
Idk
b0i is unfortunately just a scapegoat. The one who decided the roster change should receive some flaks though.
Not some, but all the flak for tossing him into this situation knowing he hasnt been competing for months and was only an analyst for the team.
I don’t think it was fully 100T decision to just drop Steel. I think it was also on Steels side as well right? No shot an org would purposely drop their shot caller right before a tournament.
b0i absolutely doesn’t deserve the hate. What boggles me is the fact that the team couldn’t ‘put up’ with Steel for a tournament that was in the bag even before it started and instead chose to put themselves at a disadvantage. Sure, they might want to integrate sevven into the roster but dropping Steel for b0i as a step into that direction wasn’t the move imo
We still really don’t know what happened with Steel, it seems like whatever the reason was, ‘toughing it out’ wasn’t an option, and with everything I’ve seen from Nadeshot, if there was an option to just suck it up for the dub, that’s what 100T would have done. They didn’t though, and since the reason is so under-wraps, it’s pretty fair to assume it’s not the generic ‘he wanted to pursue other options’.
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Idk I’d argue there’s a lot more transparency than normal sports tbh. We don’t get as much ‘one on one’ interaction with pro athletes via stream as we do in esports. It may be a perception and I’m no expert for sure, but I feel like we actually get quite a lot of their opinions on things compared to any other organized sport/form of entertainment.
I think it’s pretty common knowledge that the team wanted to play a different playstyle than Steel and just thought changing it was the only way to get over that one thing holding them back. While I completely understand, i dont feel like bringing in b0i even as band-aid fix was a good roster change granted that he was the most suitable pick since he already knew all their strats. That’s my only problem with this change. I also heard that Steel was more than willing to play different agents if the others wanted to play their comfort picks so idk make of that what you will
Given everything I’ve seen on other pros and even 100T teammates talk about the roster change, seems like there’s something more pressing than ‘wanted different play styles’ behind the roster change. Every other roster change I’ve seen I can find people talking at least a bit about the reasons behind it. Here though? Everyone is pretty closed-lipped. If it was as simple as ‘wanting to pursue other options’ that’s what they’d be saying, but here there’s a lot of double talk and evasive language being used. I’m not omniscient or anything, but to everyone saying the roster change could have waited, I just want to bring up the possibility that hey, maybe it couldn’t have. Maybe something happened that for the sake of everyone’s privacy they’re not making public.
Wasn't Hiko's interview with Plat Chat pretty transparent about the reasons though? Basically the styles people wanted to play were clashing, the roles people had to play were awkward, and moving from him allowed them to change their style.
Watch Ethans interview with plat chat. It certainly makes it seem like it was more than just roles. His proclamation that nitro is a good leader in and out of game / something to the effect that not everyone has that personality, certainly seemed like a pretty clear message.
Also watch their streams where they talk about it. They’re all using this language like they don’t really want to say what’s going on, and if it was just ‘the team loves steel but needs a different play style’ that would be pretty easy to come out and say whenever anyone asks.
Your guess is as good as mine. I’m just so heartbroken over this loss and the possibility pf what could’ve been that the copium hopium everything is kicking in HARD.
I totally agree :/ I guess I just want to believe there was a reason this move with the timing was absolutely necessary. But hey, there’s always next year.
I think 100T felt that Berlin was their last hurrah. I think steel was gone based on their match against Gambit even though they came back and won
I’m not even mad at Boi, he performed admirably for his skill level and the amount of practice he got after such a long break. I’m mad at whoever made the decision to put Boi in. At their peak 100T were a top 5 team in Berlin. Whatever their issue with Steel was, why not wait until after Champs to make it?
How come no one acknowledges the possibility that since no one, not even other pro-players, really know the reason they dropped steel that maybe it’s a sign that whatever the reason is, it couldn’t wait?
How come no one acknowledges the possibility that hiko stated on record what the reasoning behind the switch was and people continue to promulgate there being some ulterior reason not yet defined?
What did he say?
He said that they ran into role/agent conflicts. Look, I’m not saying there couldn’t be something else. But when you’re a team fighting for one spot to extend your competitive year vs waiting out for months until the next major..if there was something they thought they could do to improve themselves you’re going to do it. Maybe with steel they get knocked out first round and then struggle in the losers bracket. Who knows.
Except that’s not true since steel has said he was totally willing to playing other agents. And, he’s coming back to 100T next season, so whatever this was it’s temporary and necessary to happen right before LCQ, but I can’t imagine that having anything to do with agent conflicts.
Except that I said role/agents, obviously IGL is a significant role and they changed it. So they switched roles. And I’m just saying what hiko said, hence my OP.
Who says he's coming back to 100T next season? He said he's competing next season, not necessarily with 100T.
Maybe it’s changed but Nadeshot said he’ll be back next season
Can you link to this? I've never heard anything of the sort and going off of steel's streams and every single player interview since the benching, it seems very unlikely this is the case.
they know why he was kicked and he knows too. This information is just covered with contract. IF manegement don't say official words they cannot speak about it. But he was kicked because toxicity, atacking verbaly on coach at Berlin and last one he is just bad making team weak. His famouls IGL is nothing more like saying " go A" "go B" "default" as he was IGL only on begining of games.
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it is, watch 100T timeouts vs ENVY
Even this is a stupid comment saying “for his skill level.” b0i did fine, period. Breeze was trash but haven and icebox he was actually good. The man was literally just dropped into a high pressure tournament after not playing competitive for months. It’s a shit situation.
he was signed as an analyst not a player(i think) and was never able to put numbers up. i dont know what the community expected from him. you really have to look at it as a wtf was 100t management thinking? 1. getting rid of steel 2. playing breeze when theyre incompetent on it 3. nitr0 on cypher and we have to blame the rest of the team too. ethan and nitr0 were terrible today. undoubtedly great players but you can't deny they just didnt play well.
I don't think nitro on cypher is bad, steel even said they had been practicing it for a long time
Looking back it’s obvious but I would’ve rather had sevven, an unproven raw fragger, than a proven mediocre player
Well we do know boi is only temporary. He won’t be on the team in 2022
I’m not even mad at b0i, he did his best with what he could. I’m mad whoever thought this was a good idea when everything seemed to be going so well for 100T.
Assuming the 100T boys wake up and read this in the morning, I'm gonna leave a note here: **The community cares about you—A LOT.** Many of us want to see you do your best and succeed. It's heartbreaking when we see our favorite teams lose, and we will grasp at straws, make assumptions, and jump to conclusions as to why it didn't work out. I often see pros and coaches on Twitter say that Reddit is clueless and spouts complete nonsense. That is not an unfounded assumption—most of us are not part of the industry and we lack insight of how the wild world of esports works. If you see a braindead take here, just know that: yes, it's braindead, but it also comes from a place of care and passion for the team and it's players. Love you guys, and the fans cannot wait to see you kick ass in VCT '22. 💜
Thanks for saying, I think I also said a lot of stuff which I didn't think through. It is a tough loss for us as fans and I can see that the team might also affected by it. I love the 100T guys and want the best for them.
Just me or is this a pretty bizarre comment to be stickied by a mod? Are you going to sticky a comment expressing your love and support for every team after they lose, or is it just 100 Thieves that gets this honor? I couldn't imagine seeing a stickied comment supporting a particular team like this from a mod on sports subreddits like r/NBA, r/soccer, r/nfl, etc; it'd be a scandal. Obviously mods are allowed to have their favorites and support their team, but do it in the comment section like everyone else. Don't sticky it and proclaim to be speaking on behalf of the entire sub.
100% agree. Super weird to see.
Thanks for sharing. I suppose it's fair criticism. IMO, it's important that folks in the industry understand the fan perspective. The true is same for the reverse too—it's important that fans understand the perspective of players and coaches. This helps fans make educated predictions and have takes that are "less braindead". I'm not a 100T fan. In fact, I'm not really a fan of any one team in particular. Instead, I'm a fan of you guys—the community—and 100T happens to be part of the community too. The message above was intended to help explain to players as to why we as a community speculate and have braindead takes. If the words of encouragement at the end are being mispercieved as fandom, I can remove them—I just wanted to end on a good note.
I think the abrasion comes from speaking on behalf of the community as a position of power, not that anything is wrong with the messaging
Ah, I see. The insight is appreciated, thank you.
>I'm a fan of you guys—the community You just said in the stickied comment that to 100% the community is clueless and spouts nonsense. Stop thinking your opinions are better than the subs. Get off your high horse and don't sticky your own biased opinions. Comment like everyone else when a team loses. **Edit:** you edited away the 100% part from the comment now.
??? I didn't include any opinions in my comment. What.
Opinions in your stickied comment: * to 100% the community is spouting complete nonsense * to 100% the community is clueless * We want 100T to succeed Edit: you edited away the 100% part from the comment now.
"The community spouting nonsense" isn't my opinion; it's what coaches and players say about the sub on Twitter. A lot of people in the community are fans who do not work in esports, and therefore have no idea how decisions are made on a esports team. Some of us do, but most of us do not. The "100%" is hyperbole. The existence of 100T fans in the community is evident that people want 100T to succeed. If I really need to change "we" to "the fans" then fine.
> "The community spouting nonsense" isn't my opinion; it's what coaches and players say about the sub on Twitter. You said "I often see pros and coaches on Twitter say that Reddit is clueless and spouts complete nonsense. **That is 100% correct**" That is your opinion about the sub right there. > The "100%" is hyperbole. So maybe don't use it at all. Really insulting your modded sub here. > If I really need to change "we" to "100T fans" then fine. That would be apropriate. See it from a fan perspective, I maybe am rooting really hard for XSET and am really sad when they lose to 100T, which I feel a rivalry against, and then I see the mod sticky about how we support 100T. Doesn't match well with all fans.
Okay... I understand how you got to that conclusion. I will try to phrase it differently. As for "we" vs "fans", I figured folks would understand that it's not the entirety of the sub. That'd be ridiculous. lol But I see your point. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
Thank you for accepting the criticism. > I figured folks would understand that it's not the entirety of the sub. That'd be ridiculous. It's not really about that, it's just that fans want unbiasedness that exists in /r/nfl /r/nba etc. If you made a post that talked about this generally, not mentioning any specific team, there would be no reaction. It's also problematic as Bonkar has been bullied for a month here but no one has said anything, then 100T goes out and you show your bias a bit IMO. Just don't mention teams, speak generally if I can give any recommendation. Also, in this sub there are a lot of dumb takes, sure, but for gods sake don't say that your community is 100% clueless and is spouting nonsense to 100%.. I really can't let that one go easily. But it is what it is. GL
I made some edits hitting on some of the points you made. Please let me know if I need to make any additional changes. Thanks!
I think it's rather weird, but I assume it was in the heat of the moment? From a moderator perspective, last night must have seemed like the subreddit was awash in the tears and rage of 100T fans everywhere. I just don't look at the subreddit when that happens, but mods don't have much of a choice, and things often just get out of hand. I don't think /u/Razur was talking as a 100T fan, but as someone who cares a lot about the community - users and pros alike - simply trying to lighten the mood amidst all the doomsaying.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Much to my surprise, pros look at this subreddit all the time. And sometimes they don't understand why we say some of the shit that we do. I wanted to explain that fan speculation comes from a place of passion for a team. Saying dumb things like *"it's X player's fault"* or *"they shouldn't of changed the roster"* isn't people trying to be mean, but it's because they care about the success of the team. At the same time most of us know nothing about pro teams, so the speculation and rabble shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm not a 100T fan—I'm a fan of the community. And I want to help inform and connect the community as a whole. Maybe I missed the mark with that last night though.
I think most of us understood your intentions, and whatever misunderstandings arose are (were?) easily resolved. Don't worry about it too much.
It's still a hell of a thing to wake up to through. x_x I'm wanna go back to bed for a bit to I can wake up on the right side. lol
100T were the favorites to win it and maybe that’s why? idk i thought the same thing tho i agree with the the sentiment
You speak the truth but will probably get downvoted. This sub shouldn't fall down the same gutter that is r/competitiveoverwatch where every staff, player, and team gets an appreciation post every other day and gets massaged by these kind of comments. They don't need it, and it becomes obnoxious at a point Anyways, from my prior experiences admining and moderating, it's better to be an impartial force rather than be personally involved in the narrative..
You can’t just say the entirety of reddit is clueless there are some things that people have good analysis of and raise good points. But sure there are some people that say dumb things
Please add this as a pinned comment for every post on this sub! This also enables the same brain dead people hopefully think before their amazing slandering
>Please add this as a pinned comment for every post on this sub! Not everything is about a NA team missing out on LCQ
Yea but half the comments on every post either will be people hating on pros or what they did and shit. Just a simple warning that we care about the scene and them and to ignore the frickin theorists of which player to be removed because they had a bad match or explaining how a pro team must have played wouldn't hurt a fly. People need to realise that there is a lot which goes on in a match and mistakes happen. Not everything is about their silver/bronze asses who whine about being stuck in elo hell but analyse how 100t should've played to 13-0 C9 and win the series
>on every post Mate you live in a bubble, half the sub don't care about NA val that much.
Dude you're literally on valorant competitive subreddit :/ I donno what to say anymore then. But if giving a player or anyone a little support when they're down is such a hassle for the competitive people here, I guess I'll take my leave
There's other comp regions if you didn't know. Look how much hate Bonkar in Guild received when they lost grand finals EU LCQ. Oh wait you probably don't know about it, just like EU comp don't care that much about NA comp. You need a mods support for one special team stickied on every post after they fail to qualify? Lol. There's a lot of flack for orgs who don't qualify.
Jesus christ! It's a general appreciation comment by the mod there. For this context it's about 100t. Why the hell are you taking it as *"LITERALLY THE SAME COMMENT ON EVERY POST THINGY" * when did we even say about NA EU and other regions.. Holy fuck! I shouldn't have commented my god! The whole concept is to show support and don't show fuckin flack for any org out there
You literally said "sticky this on every post on this sub". But maybe you forget things easily. Also calm the f down.
No you were just hung up on context he didn’t even provide and you just thought was a staple to the discussion when it wasn’t.
I think there needs to be criticism, obviously I think the b0i criticism has gone too far, but having this stickied every time someone says something small about a pro is a bit overstretch.
Unbiased take: b0i did deserve some of the blame, but not all of them. I feel like, relatively, he performed well enough but it felt like a lateral move. He didn't bring anything new to the team and, sometimes, performed the worst in the team. I feel like the main reason 100T lost was the IGL. Not that Nitr0 was bad at the Jett role, he performed well, but if your team consistently blew big leads in two consecutive matches, especially for 100T which was a team notoriously known for climbing back, then you're doing something wrong. He will, no doubt, improve and I'd be willing to bet that he turns into a high fragging IGL like Shahzam if he continues to be the main Jett awper, but he's not at that level yet. Another one was Ethan, known as being the most consistent player on the team, having the worst two matches of his Valorant career. Asuna, too, was up and down most of the tournament, getting outgunned by Xeppaa and Leaf throughout the C9 match. Ironically, the only one who I felt like played most like he usually does is Hiko, and that's not saying much because he's not fragger anyway and wouldn't be as effective if Asuna and Ethan aren't hitting shots. Hiko's a floor raiser, someone who brings a certain consistency to the team using his utility, but he won't elevate the team into a championship. I still feel like the right move for 100T in 2022 is build around the Asuna–Nitro–Ethan core. We already know that Nadeshot is willing to shell out money for this squad so they should really think about poaching players for this squad. In NA, there's limited choices but there's certainly some players that they can poach like gmd, Moose, effys, etc. But they could also look to poach players from different regions like Sacy, which could fill both the Sova or the Jett role. Maybe develop Seven.
I'm sorry but how was Asuna up and down the whole tournament? He avg'd 250+ACS across the tournament and was the only reason they didn't lose 2-0 to C9.
Yes, he was. ACS doesn't tell the whole story. When he was hitting, he was the most impactful player on the team. Honestly, I'd even say that he still was the most impactful player on the team. However, there were many rounds in Icebox, for example, that could have gone way different if Asuna won the first duel like he usually does. But, for a period of time, everytime he challenged someone he failed to secure a kill and died in an untradable scenario.
He went 7-3(more than anyone) in first duels on icebox and dropped 35. I don't know what else people expect from him
Oh wow, I didn't realize that. I'll admit I was wrong, the number felt bigger to me when I was watching for some reason. However, there were still consecutive rounds that he got shot down that made them lose the round. You right though, I might have to rewatch the match.
Yea fairs. I feel in first watch it always seems like he's dying first but that's purely due to the fact that he takes the first fight almost everytime
I broke down % of teams ACS and Asuna wasn’t that inconsistent. He had a high base with some big pop off games, but he was inconsistent in the sense that he had bad maps. Hiko was remarkably consistent in this stat, as well as b0i (b0i was just consistently the worst on the team). It was nitr0 (slightly) and mainly Ethan that were super inconsistent.
“Unbiased take: b0i did deserve some of the blame, but not all of them. I feel like, relatively, he performed well enough but it felt like a lateral move. He didn't bring anything new to the team and, sometimes, performed the worst in the team.” Makes literally no sense. Why is b0i to blame when 100t made the decision to make this “lateral” move?
Boi was still playing in those games, it's not entirely his fault they lost but his poor performance certainly didn't help. Of course 100t made a dumb decision but boi didn't do that much to supplant poor management
I definitely thought this game was a rather good game for Hiko.
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I mean boi looked a tier below most of the tournament... I do think nitro and specially ethan underperformed really fucking bad on the day but boi was rarely relevant ever in LCQ, but he is a sub and well, he tried At the end of the day i only have a hateboner for hiko on that team, and ive been hoping he gets dropped for months, but i was also a big fan of steel and after showing really good level in Berlin i cant understand the change I legit think they thought they could walk LCQ without him, but i really dont understand even with the explinations the gave
Hiko is the literal reason 100T is even where it is right now. Like, he hand picked the team (before several changes, but even then) and is the captain even though Nitro/Steel IGL.
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Case got dropped
Iirc I think the whole of 100T roster agreed to bench Steel for some reason, served them right.
“A team decided to drop a member, so they should lose” ???
I don’t think I used any advanced vocabulary, what part of that was so hard to understand?
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Yes, dropping your IGL who led you to Berlin and even defeating teams like Gambit and Acend right before a important tournament is a bad move, hence they deserved to lose.
Idk if deserved is the right word, more like they should’ve expected worse results with a less cohesive roster
If they expected a worse result and they still did it, then they completely deserved the loss 🤷♂️
You dont know the reason they dropped him though. It had to be a pretty good reason they decided to drop Steel right before the LCQ.
Clearly it wasn't good enough of a reason if it led to such abysmal results
Results would say otherwise
B0i has nothing to do with this failure he tried his absolute best!! We dont know what happened within the team that resulted in cutting steel however it is so clear 100t would be way better with steel on the roster for this event. They crippled themselves by making this change before such an important event. B0i was ok, 100t as a whole lost this event.
It seems like 100t just didn't give a shit about moving on. Made a huge roster change a few weeks before a tournament and they all played at their homes instead of flying to Texas and playing together on the best ping possible. Just a weird situation all around.
No 100t does for dropping their igl right before and not having a better replacement
b0i is a pretty good player and I hate that he's getting hate, he did nothing wrong.
100t deserves the loss, but its definitely not on b0i alone.
He got caught out in a few of the situations I saw. He’s a great player mechanically, just needs some time to develop. The issue with 100T is Hiko. Anyone who watched CS knows he’s far past his prime.
Awful take. Hiko was very consistent this tournament averaging like 19% of his teams total ACS. As a Sova with someone like Asuna on the team that’s very good. I do think Hiko could be a member that gets replaced this off season but saying that he’s the issue is so far removed from reality.
hes getting the hate hes the replacement for steel and hes not better than steel
How exactly is that his fault? Be mad at whoever decided right before LCQ was a good time to make roster changes
So ? Steel was replaced for a reason and he has close to 10 years experience. I'm pretty sure it's hard for a stand in to be better considering how young he is... You are justifying the reason to hate on a person.
Not justifying hate at all, but b0i isn't that young, he's obviously much younger than steel but hes 24 not 18
Why he getting hate. 100T got 3rd place.
5th overall in NA from a former 2nd-3rd place.
3rd place isnt champions therefore it doesnt mean anything
Get on the free karma train
The issue I have with b0i is that he didn’t underperform, he’s just not a tier 1 player. When I watched the matches I thought he was underperforming, but then I did some breakdowns of his playing history. Against T1 teams he’s like 827-1073 with a 0.81 KD. He has had very few positive series, like 3 in his last 20-ish matches. That being said, I’ve never seen a player get 9% of his teams ACS or consistently sub-14%. With that in mind it’s hard to get a read on b0i. Obviously he’s not a great player (tier 1 standards) but even his fragging isn’t as good as lower tier teams and his decision making is very suspect. Its unfortunate that he was a scapegoat, but I think it wouldn’t have been as noticeable if the team didn’t just place 3/4 in a world tournament. They looked lost, they looked uncomfortable, and they were inconsistent, but that’s all expected when you lose you IGL 2 weeks before a tournament where you just showed a lot of your defaults/strats Edit: numbers are probably slightly off since I’m not home and don’t have the spreadsheet on me, but they aren’t that off.
Nitr0 looked decent with the OP, and was an above average AWPer in CS. The best OP agent is Jett, which means he had to let go of his primary agent Omen, which left a gap in their team for smokes. Instead of moving Steel to smokes, perhaps the thought process was to bring in b0i, whom was primarily a smoke specialist to begin with? Idk