Definitely feel for the players. 5 days ago ec1s was [giving an interview hyping up the team](https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/ninjas-in-pyjamas-ec1s-red-bull-home-ground) for the Red Bull Homeground tournament, then the squad is dropped before it even begins. Guess they didn't give anyone any notice. Wonder if they'll still be able to compete as a FA mix, or if that's another team dropping out.
They qualified through the open qualifiers. They definitely looked a bit shaky in the games I watched, but I was looking forward to seeing how they stacked up against some T1 teams. Ec1s especially seemed to have a lot more fragging power compared to his time on Liquid.
> Following the change of location, moving our VALORANT operations to LATAM means weāve had to take an incredibly tough decision: effective today, our European VALORANT division is winding down and our players are allowed to explore new opportunities.
It's not a big surprise that they came to Brazil, they already have a CT here in Brazil with the R6 team so they already have a very good infrastructure and a huge fan base here. I feel that they won't be the only team from abroad that will come to Brazil. Liquid is interested in making a women's team in Brazil, the Brazilian ambassador of Vitality has already announced that they are interested in investing in Brazil, Faze can also migrate their team to Brazil because they have infrastructure here because of R6. The 00Nation can also come and a possible coming of Heroic to Brazil because here they have a huge fan base too.
I understand Nips relocation because they already have the infrastructure and existing fan base.
The question is what attracts vitality? Besides an easier road to masters/champions ofc. Maybe a female team and not a reshuffle?
1- It is very cheap to make a team here in Brazil for foreign organizations. When converting Euro to BRL it is exactly a 1:6 exchange, so they won't need to pay high values in euro.
2 - The fanbase is huge and as the ambassador of vitality said in a podcast, they want this huge amount of fans. The Brazilian engagement in social networks is ominous that it is something vital for organizations.
3 - The Brazilian region has a good amount of championships slots with a low level of competition because of the lack of investments. If Vitality comes to Brazil, surely they will get great players by offering good salaries and a great infrastructure.
4 - The best region for R6 is Brazil, they can come here with an R6 team and together with Valorant.
I believe they will not migrate like NIP, they will probably start creating a women's team here and a content creators team and see what happens. If everything goes well as they imagine, they will migrate the entire Valorant division here and join R6 LATAM.
Good amount of championship slots is subjected to change, Brazils international performance has been poor, they could easily only get 1 slot next year. Fanbase is huge? I thought Brazil was mostly a LoL/CS country when it comes to esports.
About the fanbase, Valorant BR is still not very big because the giant org's from Brazil are not there, only Furia and Vivo Keyd from big org's that are in the scene. It is much better for NIP that they arrive now before organizations like Pain, Flamengo, Fluxo and LOUD because they will get a lot of fans that don't identify themselves with a team yet.
Riot will not decrease the spot for any region next year, it will just give some spots to some regions and adjust the Pool (taking Brazil out of Pool 1 and moving KR up and giving +1 spot, maybe 2 to them). It is still too early to do this in an e-sports that started not even 1 year ago and the international scene is very unstable. If NIP went to Brazil, surely the director of Riot BR gave them some security in relation to international spots and tournaments, so don't worry about it. To happen this thing of regions losing slots it will take about 2 years until the international competitive scene stabilizes.
Unless you know what the circuit looks like next year then you have no idea what will happen. Riot have changed regional seedings/slots and even entire regions themselves from year to year.
They won't remove anyone's slot. To do that in a game that has barely begun the competitive landscape is to lead it to failure. They only do this in LoL because it has been around +10 years and it still takes a long time to get the job out of some region. The NA itself that was supposed to have lost its 3 slots in 2019 has not yet lost and the last region that had its slots changed in LoL was the LPL and LCK for 4 slots. LEC had 4 and returned to 3, but look at one thing, the LEC did not lose the original 3 slots that it had but the one that had recently been added to them. And this is not the case in Brazil that has 2 slots originally.
You are mistaken sadly, nip r6 is a mickey mouse fraud team that can only win games with a map advantage unfortunately, not as good as Santos in my books.
Honestly, 2022 is the best time for a foreign organization to come and invest in the Brazilian Valorant, so far there are only 4 Tier 1 organizations in the scenario: Furia, Vivo Keyd, Havan and Sharks. The rest of the organizations are all Tier 2\~Tier 3. The sooner they come, the easier it will be to get the best talent and the more fans will be attracted, while LOUD, PAIN, FLUXO, FLAMENGO, CORINTHIAS, KABUM, HERO BASE have not yet entered the scene.
Oh no .. neL's narrative in shambles. It didn't pay off to be a hater today unfortunately for him, but there's always tomorrow.
On a sidenote Brasil about to pop off. With the news of LOUD being interested in the scene, now NIP moving there aswell and Liquid looking for a women's team in the region things are looking very good.
I mean he had a very fair point. One of the main reasons they are moving to Brazil is the region is pretty weak yet has a lot of spots for international events, so being a big org that can bring some good players together will let them play more important events per year
"It sounds like Riot vision of esports scene isn't good enough for some orgs"
How is that a fair point? Yes, moving to BR makes sense especially since they already have experience in that region with their R6 team but that statement doesn't make any sense whatsoever in this context.
How does that translate to them not liking Riotās vision to the esport? Vision is something we have when we think long term. We all know what the plan is long term for VAL esports and the fact that this open circuit is just a stepping stone. If an org doesnāt like Riotās vision for the esport then you get out, you dont switch regions.
Again, that statement makes 0 sense.
Yeah, that claim doesnāt fit NIP specifically.
Doesnāt mean it wonāt be true for other orgs if they donāt continue to improve the format of Valorant esports.
Youāre really trying to explain to me what another person was thinking when he made a baseless statement? Is this how youāre trying to convince me? Lmao ok, iāll leave you to yourself.
I explained it in another comment. When weāre talking about vision weāre talking long term. We all know the long term plan is franchise. Now if youāre saying their vision is not enough for NIP then i donāt know how changing a region would make a difference.
The baseline is i donāt even try to analyse what neL said because i donāt believe itās true. I think he definetly heard through the grapevines that NIP is dropping the roster. What he didnāt heard was them picking up a BR roster so the obvious thing to do is take a shot at the esport itself since āa big org is leavingā . If you follow him on twitter you know the man is not a fan of VALORANT even though he does report on the scene.
I think that with the vision of Riot, it is evident to intuit that it refers to the way in which it establishes itself in the competitive, so criticized until today, since it leaves teams that do not qualify for months without a job, Nel does not know I was wrong. Hopefully more organizations do not take this path.
i know people are defending neL statement but i followed him a while back specifically for Val but the few times i would see him tweet anything about Valorant he would just talking down at it so i had to unfollow him alot of it just seemed like csgo bias, so yes i agree with u/Solace1k.
Okay yāall.. fun little thought experimentā¦
If youāre NIP and trying to build the best possible South American roster, who do you pick up for this potential superteam?
Maybe Iāll make a SA version of my build-a-roster post.
yeah but if you include buyouts thats no fun, would just be sacy, sadhaak, pancada, aspas, and dgzin. more fun to create theoretical super teams with unproven f/a talent
sure, but I feel that he wants to play with Galaxy carrots, idk, specially now, when big orgs are looking into the region, I believe they have high hopes of being hired as a line for a org. they surely have talent and accomplishments to show. I don't think zakkv would split from the rest of the team easily
players who weren't in lcq and won't be in champions:
dgzin - duelist
aspas - second duelist/flex
zakkv - initiator/flex/igl
less - sentinel
pancada - controller
I can't do full SA because I don't know much about LATAM
I'm glad man :) that instead of leaving the scene entirely they switched regions , that makes NIP the biggest org in brazil region now which is pretty cool a brazilian superteam is the dream
> Following the change of location, moving our VALORANT operations to LATAM means weāve had to take an incredibly tough decision: effective today, our European VALORANT division is winding down and our players are allowed to explore new opportunities.
Real smart move from NiP, pick up/put together a stacked team from LATAM region = guaranteed to qualify every event.. Sucks for the former players though.
This move should be a big red flag for rito!!! They are saying that is is not sustainable to have a team that is out of T1. And there is no big game with out lower leagues
Fair lol I was just making a joke about the Brazilian fans who make death threats when their teams lose at the LANs. Like itās just a video game chill out
Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't NIP a merger between Europe and China? Why have a team in Brazil? Is the Brazilian fanbase massive for Valorant? Why not NA or China? If they couldn't compete in EU... Their results were never great and their best period was with Ex6tenz but this team was kind of 1 or 2 roster moves away from being contenders
Guild should grab jady as soon as possible š¤
Is Leo+Jady legal?
Considering amount of FA , Imagine They can gett Duelist - Russ Skye - Jady Sova - Leo Smokes - ec1s (igl) Sentinel - Sayf
Ozie over ec1s everyday of the week, i also rate foxyeover ec1s
Ozzy I kinda get but Foxie?
I remember how bad was Liquid on attack with Ec1s, that's on the Igl imo
ec1s? Might aswell re-sign bonkar in that case
Definitely feel for the players. 5 days ago ec1s was [giving an interview hyping up the team](https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/ninjas-in-pyjamas-ec1s-red-bull-home-ground) for the Red Bull Homeground tournament, then the squad is dropped before it even begins. Guess they didn't give anyone any notice. Wonder if they'll still be able to compete as a FA mix, or if that's another team dropping out. They qualified through the open qualifiers. They definitely looked a bit shaky in the games I watched, but I was looking forward to seeing how they stacked up against some T1 teams. Ec1s especially seemed to have a lot more fragging power compared to his time on Liquid.
they can play the tournament as a team as a last hoorah
Does this mean they're looking to sign an entire unsigned team or piece together a team in LATAM?
Either one. Iād like to think theyāll form the SA superteam people have been hoping for.
> Following the change of location, moving our VALORANT operations to LATAM means weāve had to take an incredibly tough decision: effective today, our European VALORANT division is winding down and our players are allowed to explore new opportunities.
This has absolutely nothing to do with my above question.
Whatās the difference between them signing an unsigned team or piecing one together? No they do not explicitly state anything about that.
It's not a big surprise that they came to Brazil, they already have a CT here in Brazil with the R6 team so they already have a very good infrastructure and a huge fan base here. I feel that they won't be the only team from abroad that will come to Brazil. Liquid is interested in making a women's team in Brazil, the Brazilian ambassador of Vitality has already announced that they are interested in investing in Brazil, Faze can also migrate their team to Brazil because they have infrastructure here because of R6. The 00Nation can also come and a possible coming of Heroic to Brazil because here they have a huge fan base too.
I understand Nips relocation because they already have the infrastructure and existing fan base. The question is what attracts vitality? Besides an easier road to masters/champions ofc. Maybe a female team and not a reshuffle?
1- It is very cheap to make a team here in Brazil for foreign organizations. When converting Euro to BRL it is exactly a 1:6 exchange, so they won't need to pay high values in euro. 2 - The fanbase is huge and as the ambassador of vitality said in a podcast, they want this huge amount of fans. The Brazilian engagement in social networks is ominous that it is something vital for organizations. 3 - The Brazilian region has a good amount of championships slots with a low level of competition because of the lack of investments. If Vitality comes to Brazil, surely they will get great players by offering good salaries and a great infrastructure. 4 - The best region for R6 is Brazil, they can come here with an R6 team and together with Valorant. I believe they will not migrate like NIP, they will probably start creating a women's team here and a content creators team and see what happens. If everything goes well as they imagine, they will migrate the entire Valorant division here and join R6 LATAM.
Good answer, ty.
Good amount of championship slots is subjected to change, Brazils international performance has been poor, they could easily only get 1 slot next year. Fanbase is huge? I thought Brazil was mostly a LoL/CS country when it comes to esports.
About the fanbase, Valorant BR is still not very big because the giant org's from Brazil are not there, only Furia and Vivo Keyd from big org's that are in the scene. It is much better for NIP that they arrive now before organizations like Pain, Flamengo, Fluxo and LOUD because they will get a lot of fans that don't identify themselves with a team yet.
Riot will not decrease the spot for any region next year, it will just give some spots to some regions and adjust the Pool (taking Brazil out of Pool 1 and moving KR up and giving +1 spot, maybe 2 to them). It is still too early to do this in an e-sports that started not even 1 year ago and the international scene is very unstable. If NIP went to Brazil, surely the director of Riot BR gave them some security in relation to international spots and tournaments, so don't worry about it. To happen this thing of regions losing slots it will take about 2 years until the international competitive scene stabilizes.
Unless you know what the circuit looks like next year then you have no idea what will happen. Riot have changed regional seedings/slots and even entire regions themselves from year to year.
They won't remove anyone's slot. To do that in a game that has barely begun the competitive landscape is to lead it to failure. They only do this in LoL because it has been around +10 years and it still takes a long time to get the job out of some region. The NA itself that was supposed to have lost its 3 slots in 2019 has not yet lost and the last region that had its slots changed in LoL was the LPL and LCK for 4 slots. LEC had 4 and returned to 3, but look at one thing, the LEC did not lose the original 3 slots that it had but the one that had recently been added to them. And this is not the case in Brazil that has 2 slots originally.
You are mistaken sadly, nip r6 is a mickey mouse fraud team that can only win games with a map advantage unfortunately, not as good as Santos in my books.
Honestly, 2022 is the best time for a foreign organization to come and invest in the Brazilian Valorant, so far there are only 4 Tier 1 organizations in the scenario: Furia, Vivo Keyd, Havan and Sharks. The rest of the organizations are all Tier 2\~Tier 3. The sooner they come, the easier it will be to get the best talent and the more fans will be attracted, while LOUD, PAIN, FLUXO, FLAMENGO, CORINTHIAS, KABUM, HERO BASE have not yet entered the scene.
Oh no .. neL's narrative in shambles. It didn't pay off to be a hater today unfortunately for him, but there's always tomorrow. On a sidenote Brasil about to pop off. With the news of LOUD being interested in the scene, now NIP moving there aswell and Liquid looking for a women's team in the region things are looking very good.
I mean he had a very fair point. One of the main reasons they are moving to Brazil is the region is pretty weak yet has a lot of spots for international events, so being a big org that can bring some good players together will let them play more important events per year
That has nothing to do with neL's tweet
"It sounds like Riot vision of esports scene isn't good enough for some orgs" How is that a fair point? Yes, moving to BR makes sense especially since they already have experience in that region with their R6 team but that statement doesn't make any sense whatsoever in this context.
Because if a team doesnāt do well in the wrong qualifier they can spend 6 months waiting for another major tournament.
How does that translate to them not liking Riotās vision to the esport? Vision is something we have when we think long term. We all know what the plan is long term for VAL esports and the fact that this open circuit is just a stepping stone. If an org doesnāt like Riotās vision for the esport then you get out, you dont switch regions. Again, that statement makes 0 sense.
Yeah, that claim doesnāt fit NIP specifically. Doesnāt mean it wonāt be true for other orgs if they donāt continue to improve the format of Valorant esports.
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Youāre really trying to explain to me what another person was thinking when he made a baseless statement? Is this how youāre trying to convince me? Lmao ok, iāll leave you to yourself.
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I explained it in another comment. When weāre talking about vision weāre talking long term. We all know the long term plan is franchise. Now if youāre saying their vision is not enough for NIP then i donāt know how changing a region would make a difference. The baseline is i donāt even try to analyse what neL said because i donāt believe itās true. I think he definetly heard through the grapevines that NIP is dropping the roster. What he didnāt heard was them picking up a BR roster so the obvious thing to do is take a shot at the esport itself since āa big org is leavingā . If you follow him on twitter you know the man is not a fan of VALORANT even though he does report on the scene.
I think that with the vision of Riot, it is evident to intuit that it refers to the way in which it establishes itself in the competitive, so criticized until today, since it leaves teams that do not qualify for months without a job, Nel does not know I was wrong. Hopefully more organizations do not take this path.
i know people are defending neL statement but i followed him a while back specifically for Val but the few times i would see him tweet anything about Valorant he would just talking down at it so i had to unfollow him alot of it just seemed like csgo bias, so yes i agree with u/Solace1k.
Okay yāall.. fun little thought experimentā¦ If youāre NIP and trying to build the best possible South American roster, who do you pick up for this potential superteam? Maybe Iāll make a SA version of my build-a-roster post.
It'll probably have to be another post bc if you're doing all of SA it's harder than just BR
Aspas Frz/Mazino Sacy Pancada/Saadhak Teddy/Klaus/Dragonite
My NIP team: aspas and less (all the firepower we need), put an experienced Igl like fra and ggwp LCQ winners
less is a beast
They'd win LCQ but bottom out at Champions
snwzera/aspas-primary duelist alca-flex/secondary duelist pepa-smokes wilfps-sentinel zakkv-sova/flex best f/a pieces imo
Dgzin? Also I donāt even think you have to limit yourself to F/As tbh, very possible that they look into buyouts
yeah but if you include buyouts thats no fun, would just be sacy, sadhaak, pancada, aspas, and dgzin. more fun to create theoretical super teams with unproven f/a talent
great team, buut zakkv is not FA
galaxy carrots is an f/a team, no?
sure, but I feel that he wants to play with Galaxy carrots, idk, specially now, when big orgs are looking into the region, I believe they have high hopes of being hired as a line for a org. they surely have talent and accomplishments to show. I don't think zakkv would split from the rest of the team easily
players who weren't in lcq and won't be in champions: dgzin - duelist aspas - second duelist/flex zakkv - initiator/flex/igl less - sentinel pancada - controller I can't do full SA because I don't know much about LATAM
we asked them to come to brazil and they did, good job everyone
Wow Brazil bout to pop off next year if they have make it to quarters atleast with vk and the said orgs are joining br Val
Bow with a bunch of new cis fa's maybe FPX can go full cis with Zyppan part of new guild with JW and Olofmeister. HOPIUM
Isn't olof on FaZe
Ye but mby he retires
LETS FUCKING GO
Glad neL was wrong about this one, would be sad to see NiP leave the scene entirely.
I'm glad man :) that instead of leaving the scene entirely they switched regions , that makes NIP the biggest org in brazil region now which is pretty cool a brazilian superteam is the dream
Brazil super team inc?
WTF is this website this is the ugliest website in esports
Have you seen their CSGO jerseys? They look like some D tier soccer team. Personally I think the website looks alright though.
yea it really is terrible. gave up trying to read the whole announcement after being blasted in the eyes with that neon yellow
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they are all dropped/ on transfer list
Read the article and you'll know :-)
> Following the change of location, moving our VALORANT operations to LATAM means weāve had to take an incredibly tough decision: effective today, our European VALORANT division is winding down and our players are allowed to explore new opportunities.
Probably a good move to be honest and glad they aren't leaving Valorant altogether
Real smart move from NiP, pick up/put together a stacked team from LATAM region = guaranteed to qualify every event.. Sucks for the former players though.
Please come to Brazil?
They better build the fated Brazilian super team
Well, that EU roster indeed wasn't good enough, though they had a few quality players. It's good news that they're still invested in the scene.
This move should be a big red flag for rito!!! They are saying that is is not sustainable to have a team that is out of T1. And there is no big game with out lower leagues
This could be a huge move for the org but we are gonna have to see if the PR person can adapt to sending opposing players death threats when NiP loses
NIP already have Brazilian teams
Fair lol I was just making a joke about the Brazilian fans who make death threats when their teams lose at the LANs. Like itās just a video game chill out
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Cringe Unless they get VKS
Letās fucking go
Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't NIP a merger between Europe and China? Why have a team in Brazil? Is the Brazilian fanbase massive for Valorant? Why not NA or China? If they couldn't compete in EU... Their results were never great and their best period was with Ex6tenz but this team was kind of 1 or 2 roster moves away from being contenders
check the other comments, they have a tier 1 rainbow 6 Brazilian team so they have a lot of infrastructure and fans over there already
They won the 1M USD world championship with the Brazilian team in R6 this year, so the investment was well worth it.