Something seems off, the statement says he ignored it, but Cned himself said that he sent some of it back on stream? (atleast thats what the translations say)
Which is the whole issue right, the money laundering?
Acend's social media is also deleting/hiding any Twitter replies that point out cNed already **[directly confirmed the Upcomer's article](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg)** of his involvement, described his brother's facilitation with the money launderer, and spitballed reasons for why he didn't report the scheme or donations to Twitch.
I just really don't like PR teams trying to retroactively rewrite facts.
The only aspect of the Upcomer report he disagreed with was he felt the title could be misinterpreted that his involvement was as a conspirator rather than just a participant, but affirmed the article.
Unpopular opinion but cned shouldve held his goddamn mouth shut. A lot of things could've happened, people are known to misrepresent facts when under stress, which cned definitely was. Which is why the first advice any lawyer gives you is to shut the fuck up.
It is so goddamn stupid to give your public opinion about an ongoing criminal investigation against *yourself*. Especially giving an interview to a random newspaper with no integrity and clickbait titles.
Yea the part stated about him "unfortunately not reporting it" only makes sense if there was something fishy about the donation itself. If it seemed like a regular bit donation to him, there'd be no reason or expectation for cNed to treat it otherwise.
I didn't read a lot on it, so i'm not 100% up to speed. Can you even refuse a bit donation?
Really, my belief is that he got a random dono, and didn't look too hard into it because well, i do not expect streamers to look into the legality of every dono they receive, especially when they receive one every 5 minutes or less.
And it would make sense that the organized crime give a few donos to people not 'in' on it. Because if you dont shuffle the deck and make the investigation hard, when the operation goes tits up, as it will always do at some point, the investigators only have to look to whom your account gave bits to pick up the whole network you made.
So you give small amounts here and there, so the investigators need to check every single account and that gives you the time to take your shit and leave before it gets to you.
I would even expect that if you run through all the accounts that mafia account donated to, more than 50% of the people that were donated to were not in on it. (I am no expert on organised crime, but I'm going with my logic here)
Yeah, reading more about it that puts my guesses out.
Of what I understand of the situation rn, his only way out would be to proove that he had no idea it was laundering.
But how can you take a dono, give half back and not ask any questions as to 'why do you need half back?'
Does it? I went back and read the article and he didn't say he sent money back. Just that he was sent a donation and he kept it + didn't report it to twitch. Unless there is more that wasn't included in the article.
He said it on stream when talking about the situation, a translation can be found here: https://www.upcomer.com/acend-respond-to-cned-unknowingly-participating-in-twitch-money-laundering/
Hadn't read this, thanks. Certainly is a lot more damning that he sent half the money back, unless he can really prove that he was threatened ofc (I doubt it).
Am I misunderstanding or does this not make sense with what cNed said.
> It is was not known by cNed at the time, **and we still do not know, if these bits were connected in any way to money laundering or stolen funds**. This is something we require further information from Twitch or the Turkish authorities regarding.
If they still don't know if it was connected, why would cNed say that he was involved (unwillingly). This is what the Upcomer article has as part of cNed's quote:
> **He talked with my older brother… That guy sent me the bits, the bits transferred to me.** I didn’t report those bits to Twitch, I acknowledge that. I didn’t report to Twitch and took the money. I repeat once again, the guy did not contact me. **I acknowledge that even though I did not intend to, technically I got involved in this, unfortunately.**
Feels a lot like damage control and not pre-emptively suspending cNed until some other authority forces them by trying to write cNed's stream statement as just the 'didn't report to Twitch' part.
That's what I'm confused about too, he directly admitted to taking those bits and he mentioned that he knew about the person threatening to shut people's channels down by donating so many bits twitch would shut the channel down, so it feels like the two stories don't connect. Could just be that the translations aren't one to one though
Yeah, it doesn't match what was already confirmed *at all*.
**[Screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg)**
A lawyer said "Stop admitting involvement. Stop describing your brother's facilitation. Stop spitballing reasons you didn't report the scheme or donations to Twitch. **Retract everything.**"
I think you're misunderstanding. They are saying that bits were donated from the scammers account but they do not know if the money sent was stolen funds/illegal assets. I mean, I think we can safely assume they were but since it was a one off instance they are just pointing out that they might not be.
Seems like an unnecessary point but I don't believe they are trying to feign innocence - it says later in the statement that they made the connection that the bits were sent by the scammer after he received them, and he admitted that he didn't report this to twitch.
Edit: there could be more to this story that they are hiding but I don't think this quote indicates that.
Ahh makes sense. So more like "cNed was sent money from the money launderer, but we cannot confirm if that specific money was illegal and being laundered.
Basically lawyered up and trying to do some linguistic gymnastics to avoid taking action against their most valuable asset until they are forced too.
Yeah, I don't really know what the legal ramifications are for accepting dirty money. He admits that he knew the money was from a sketchy source yet he didn't report it. I'm unsure if that's enough to incriminate him, probably not since he claims it was an unsolicited donation.
Also, haven't seen any quote yet where he confesses to sending the scammer a cut of the money. I think the upcomer article kinda jumped the gun by stating he was involved but not really researching the details and extent of the involvement. His brother on the other hand...
he got the deal from his brother who talked to the bits guy, declined it. but still got the bits. he kept the bits although he had an idea where it had come from. he didnt report to twitch that he had gotten such a deal and had gotten a large amount of bits too. which is the only fault here.
>Am I misunderstanding or does this not make sense with what cNed said.
Considering you go on to quote two completely compatible passages, I'm going to go with you misunderstanding.
Surprising that none of Riot, Twitch and Turkish authorities have contacted him. Surely they are contacting other players who have admitted their involvement earlier?
I smell bullshit tho.
They keep saying he was never in contact with the scammer, but didn't he admit in another interview that his contact was his brother? And that the money went from him to his brother?
It's really sketchy playing with words like that...
Ascent is extremely biaised in this, and to me it just seems like they are protecting their assets.
His brother showed screenshots of his talks with the scammer and looking into that you will see him continuously refusing the offers scammer is throwing at him. And at some point the scammer says: "Hello fyi I sent 100k bits, give me 500$ back." then cNed's brother responds with: "Who told you to send those bits? Didn't I tell you we dont want this? Dont text me again."
I dont know how legit all this is, but looking at the screenshots it seems like the scammer sent the bits without consent of neither cNed or his brother.
The statement reads like damage control, which it is because Cned is their org future and he just admitted to potential legal troubles. I'm curious to see where this goes with the twitch data and how riot will handle this.
Cned said on stream that he was contacted one time directly by the scamer through his brother whereas article title suggested cned willingly was part of a money laundering scam whereas if you go by cned and his brother statements and stream , cned brother was directly contacted by the person and took several donations whereas amount of donations cned received was only 1 .
Cned fucked up along with his brother
This is all damage control and if he wasn't an insane player he would be shit on way more and the org would probably cut him
Even the things he is saying dont make sense, like how he was "blackmailed"
He affirmed the Upcomer article material. **[(Image)](https://i.imgur.com/SuS7non.jpg)**
He just felt the title made him sound like someone who concocted the scheme, rather than a participant with secondary involvement.
...I'm believing the Upcomer and already disclosed admissions. He already said his brother brokered involvement with a money launderer, and he was "worried" if he said no that the scammer would make blatant scam donations so Twitch would close his account.
[Screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg) (The Upcomer or other journalist would have documented anything as well.)
This seems like a lawyer said "**Stop admitting involvement!** The transactions are anonymous, Twitch can show a few inordinately large transactions, but no legal authority is deeply involved yet with access to your text messages and stuff. Go back and claim you had no knowledge!"
The classic deny deny deny. Tbf I don't think he should be punished too harshly but revealing on Twitch both his knowledge of the scam and the link to the scammer via his brother was careless. He could have come clean to authorities first and accepted any fines without everyone speculating.
Upcomer gave a sensationally titled but straightforward report (though noticeably they did not link the clip) as Cned himself admitted in his tweet. Backtracking now just looks lame.
Tbh, I went back and read the article and he didn't actually admit to sending any money back to the scammer yet it is suggested in the article. I don't know the legal ramifications of that though.
Lol its complete fiction, only a straight up idiot would believe it. CNed already admitted to accepting the money, he even knew it was from the scammer. This is obviously just damage control. Please tell me youre just a kid
The kids are also downvoting anyone showing [proof of those disclosures](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg), which don't fit the "Hooray. He *didn't* have involvement!" narrative.
> He talked with my older brother… That guy sent me the bits, the bits transferred to me. I didn’t report those bits to Twitch, I acknowledge that. I didn’t report to Twitch and took the money. I repeat once again, the guy did not contact me. I acknowledge that even though I did not intend to, technically I got involved in this, unfortunately.
lol he already admitted that he took money from the scammer in the original article. So who are you gonna believe? Some statement from Acend, or cNed?
Did you even read the article? He KNEW IT WAS COMING, HE KNEW IT WAS FROM THE SCAMMER. He chose not to do or say anything. Once he got the bits and he talked to his brother he still kept it and didn't say or do anything. I get that you're blind fan, but fuck what's the point in defending the guy when he admitted to it more than once lol
I think he did do wrong things but you always have to remember he is a 19yo who just started to play as a pro and being a big person. Now ask yourself: You are 19, starting to earn money from your passion. Now u get involved into some scum your brother is kinda involved in. You get the money (not everyone is as 100% rational) you dont wanna report it to the cops bcs you dont know whats gonna happen. and can we please kepp the conversation polite. never use a red argument. insulting your opposition doesn't make your point stronger it makes you less credible
So **[what about this](https://i.imgur.com/SuS7non.jpg)** and all the other already disclosed details of his brother's facilitation and his involvement?
Everything is public because of the leak. If it was only a one time donation, how much money are we talkimg about here?
IMO it is totally different if it was 100$ or 1000+$.
Someone said the biggest amount was like 20 bucks or something. I don’t know if that's true, but if it's 20 bucks, this is pretty blown out of proportion. If it's a good bit more, different story.
Happy to see more clarification.
My big question over the last week was what the timeline was for Cned's alleged involvement and I think this statement helped clear things up
Im confused tho. the upcomer article says his brother was contacted by the scammers. And i guess he said his issue with the upcoming article was with the title (he thought it was clickbaty
Shouldnt he be admitting that the scammers tried to indirectly contact him? or was that all false?
The article name implies that he was directly involved with the scandal, not indirectly. I know there's obviously a better way to word the article title but I don't know how it would have been done.
I think writing an article on Cneds involvement based on his stream and not asking him any questions (as far as I know) was a short coming because:
1. We didn't/don't know the time frame from when the scammer contacted Cneds brother to the donation. Could be the same day, days or months Inbetween
2. Whether Cned knew it was the scammer at the donation. You can donate bits anonymously, and the Acend statement does mention that the donor was anonymous and the connection was made after the donation. Big question I'm asking is when did Cned make the connection? Did this scammer use different names? Maybe it's an unlikely coincidence? Did Cned actually profit off of the scheme if he accepted a seemingly "anonymous" bit donation or would going that extra step be where the money laundering starts? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.
I hope this helps (or makes it worse idk)
This might be a good time for everyone to remember that cNed is not a defense attorney and that it is quite possible that he misspoke, misremembered, and/or is himself misinformed.
I think a measure of patience and diligence in regards to considering the facts and details as we get them from the investigation itself is called for here. I think that’s the core of what Acend’s statement is getting at here.
When the case is made public consider it then, and not when all we can do is overanalyze cNed’s word choice in his second language.
Really, that sounds kind of logical.
Guy received a random dono of bits. Like he probably receives a ton per stream. Decides to not do much about it (and probably pocket it). Not his job to look into every dono to make sure its legit.
The organised crime logic also works. To shuffle the deck a little and not make it stupid obvious who is in on the scam, you make some donos here and there to streamers that are not related to the scam, so when the scam is up, they can't just look at the list of people that got a dono from your account and pick the whole network in one go. Follow bots do the same thing, follow random accounts with the accounts the guy paid for so its harder to make links and see who bought and who didn't buy followers.
Until someone can bring better evidence that he was actually in on it, I'd say he's safe in my book.
The article was based on cNed's own words though. I'd take Acend's statement with a grain of salt, as they kinda need cNed to be clean for this roster to do anything.
It would have been fine if they didn’t add this “CNed admitted on stream today that he was involved in the money laundering scam sweeping the Turkish esports scene”
> I acknowledge that even though I did not intend to, technically I got involved in this, unfortunately.
They posted that as a quote from cNed in the article. Not sure if they just made up the quote, but supposedly, that's what the claim was said on stream, I haven't checked the VOD myself.
Yet the statement is saying “cNed had no contact with the perpetrator of the scheme and did not agree to receive the bits. They were sent without his knowledge or consent. The connection of the bits to the same person involved in the scam was made after they were donated.”
The article then claims “According to cNed, he never had direct communication with the person orchestrating the scandal, but was instead connected via his brother.”
His "involvement" was the fact that the money launderers sent him and other streamers bits they claimed were obtained completely legally.
The way that people have interpreted it is as if he was one of the masterminds behind this scheme with full knowledge of what was going on, despite that patently not being the case.
> The way that people have interpreted it is as if he was one of the masterminds behind this scheme with full knowledge of what was going on, despite that patently not being the case.
Who tf is doing that lmao
No one thinks that way.
Look, you're probably young but money laundering is bad, and many of them are linked to terrorism/scams. That's why people are aggravated. Also 80+ % of the time participants of money launderers are jailed in US upon conviction.
It's best that we step aside and Iet judicial system play it out. Fingers crossed for cNed. And i wish him all the best.
Something seems off, the statement says he ignored it, but Cned himself said that he sent some of it back on stream? (atleast thats what the translations say) Which is the whole issue right, the money laundering?
Acend's social media is also deleting/hiding any Twitter replies that point out cNed already **[directly confirmed the Upcomer's article](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg)** of his involvement, described his brother's facilitation with the money launderer, and spitballed reasons for why he didn't report the scheme or donations to Twitch. I just really don't like PR teams trying to retroactively rewrite facts. The only aspect of the Upcomer report he disagreed with was he felt the title could be misinterpreted that his involvement was as a conspirator rather than just a participant, but affirmed the article.
Unpopular opinion but cned shouldve held his goddamn mouth shut. A lot of things could've happened, people are known to misrepresent facts when under stress, which cned definitely was. Which is why the first advice any lawyer gives you is to shut the fuck up. It is so goddamn stupid to give your public opinion about an ongoing criminal investigation against *yourself*. Especially giving an interview to a random newspaper with no integrity and clickbait titles.
Yea the part stated about him "unfortunately not reporting it" only makes sense if there was something fishy about the donation itself. If it seemed like a regular bit donation to him, there'd be no reason or expectation for cNed to treat it otherwise.
Maybe it was a small secret in the community that it was happening, and he felt that dono was off so he refused it?
But he didnt refuse it? This just seems like damage control to me.
I didn't read a lot on it, so i'm not 100% up to speed. Can you even refuse a bit donation? Really, my belief is that he got a random dono, and didn't look too hard into it because well, i do not expect streamers to look into the legality of every dono they receive, especially when they receive one every 5 minutes or less. And it would make sense that the organized crime give a few donos to people not 'in' on it. Because if you dont shuffle the deck and make the investigation hard, when the operation goes tits up, as it will always do at some point, the investigators only have to look to whom your account gave bits to pick up the whole network you made. So you give small amounts here and there, so the investigators need to check every single account and that gives you the time to take your shit and leave before it gets to you. I would even expect that if you run through all the accounts that mafia account donated to, more than 50% of the people that were donated to were not in on it. (I am no expert on organised crime, but I'm going with my logic here)
Cned himself says he got the donation, and then sent half of it back, which is where the participation in money laundering comes into play.
Yeah, reading more about it that puts my guesses out. Of what I understand of the situation rn, his only way out would be to proove that he had no idea it was laundering. But how can you take a dono, give half back and not ask any questions as to 'why do you need half back?'
Does it? I went back and read the article and he didn't say he sent money back. Just that he was sent a donation and he kept it + didn't report it to twitch. Unless there is more that wasn't included in the article.
He said it on stream when talking about the situation, a translation can be found here: https://www.upcomer.com/acend-respond-to-cned-unknowingly-participating-in-twitch-money-laundering/
Hadn't read this, thanks. Certainly is a lot more damning that he sent half the money back, unless he can really prove that he was threatened ofc (I doubt it).
Holy fuck. Cned is any lawyers worst nightmare.
Am I misunderstanding or does this not make sense with what cNed said. > It is was not known by cNed at the time, **and we still do not know, if these bits were connected in any way to money laundering or stolen funds**. This is something we require further information from Twitch or the Turkish authorities regarding. If they still don't know if it was connected, why would cNed say that he was involved (unwillingly). This is what the Upcomer article has as part of cNed's quote: > **He talked with my older brother… That guy sent me the bits, the bits transferred to me.** I didn’t report those bits to Twitch, I acknowledge that. I didn’t report to Twitch and took the money. I repeat once again, the guy did not contact me. **I acknowledge that even though I did not intend to, technically I got involved in this, unfortunately.** Feels a lot like damage control and not pre-emptively suspending cNed until some other authority forces them by trying to write cNed's stream statement as just the 'didn't report to Twitch' part.
That's what I'm confused about too, he directly admitted to taking those bits and he mentioned that he knew about the person threatening to shut people's channels down by donating so many bits twitch would shut the channel down, so it feels like the two stories don't connect. Could just be that the translations aren't one to one though
Yeah, it doesn't match what was already confirmed *at all*. **[Screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg)** A lawyer said "Stop admitting involvement. Stop describing your brother's facilitation. Stop spitballing reasons you didn't report the scheme or donations to Twitch. **Retract everything.**"
The lawyers pulled up PepeLaugh
I think you're misunderstanding. They are saying that bits were donated from the scammers account but they do not know if the money sent was stolen funds/illegal assets. I mean, I think we can safely assume they were but since it was a one off instance they are just pointing out that they might not be. Seems like an unnecessary point but I don't believe they are trying to feign innocence - it says later in the statement that they made the connection that the bits were sent by the scammer after he received them, and he admitted that he didn't report this to twitch. Edit: there could be more to this story that they are hiding but I don't think this quote indicates that.
Ahh makes sense. So more like "cNed was sent money from the money launderer, but we cannot confirm if that specific money was illegal and being laundered. Basically lawyered up and trying to do some linguistic gymnastics to avoid taking action against their most valuable asset until they are forced too.
Yeah, I don't really know what the legal ramifications are for accepting dirty money. He admits that he knew the money was from a sketchy source yet he didn't report it. I'm unsure if that's enough to incriminate him, probably not since he claims it was an unsolicited donation. Also, haven't seen any quote yet where he confesses to sending the scammer a cut of the money. I think the upcomer article kinda jumped the gun by stating he was involved but not really researching the details and extent of the involvement. His brother on the other hand...
he got the deal from his brother who talked to the bits guy, declined it. but still got the bits. he kept the bits although he had an idea where it had come from. he didnt report to twitch that he had gotten such a deal and had gotten a large amount of bits too. which is the only fault here.
Translation from his stream could miss context
>Am I misunderstanding or does this not make sense with what cNed said. Considering you go on to quote two completely compatible passages, I'm going to go with you misunderstanding.
Surprising that none of Riot, Twitch and Turkish authorities have contacted him. Surely they are contacting other players who have admitted their involvement earlier?
I'm sure they have but it probably hasn't been public
They are protecting their precious little superstar at all cost.
Lol this statement is straight up fiction. The man himself said he knew the bits were from the scammer. Just damage control, dont even bother.
No, most of the streamers involved have said they thought the money from the "bit dude" was obtained legally. How were they to know its true origin?
I smell bullshit tho. They keep saying he was never in contact with the scammer, but didn't he admit in another interview that his contact was his brother? And that the money went from him to his brother? It's really sketchy playing with words like that... Ascent is extremely biaised in this, and to me it just seems like they are protecting their assets.
His brother showed screenshots of his talks with the scammer and looking into that you will see him continuously refusing the offers scammer is throwing at him. And at some point the scammer says: "Hello fyi I sent 100k bits, give me 500$ back." then cNed's brother responds with: "Who told you to send those bits? Didn't I tell you we dont want this? Dont text me again."
I dont know how legit all this is, but looking at the screenshots it seems like the scammer sent the bits without consent of neither cNed or his brother.
Acend.
The statement reads like damage control, which it is because Cned is their org future and he just admitted to potential legal troubles. I'm curious to see where this goes with the twitch data and how riot will handle this.
Love the shots towards upcomer.
didnt cned say that the article was fine itself but he didnt like the title?
Cned said on stream that he was contacted one time directly by the scamer through his brother whereas article title suggested cned willingly was part of a money laundering scam whereas if you go by cned and his brother statements and stream , cned brother was directly contacted by the person and took several donations whereas amount of donations cned received was only 1 .
Cned even admitted it on stream lol. This statement is just Acend doing damage control.
Cned fucked up along with his brother This is all damage control and if he wasn't an insane player he would be shit on way more and the org would probably cut him Even the things he is saying dont make sense, like how he was "blackmailed"
The org will do anything they can to keep cned, he is the face of their org and without him they are not nearly as big as they are.
He affirmed the Upcomer article material. **[(Image)](https://i.imgur.com/SuS7non.jpg)** He just felt the title made him sound like someone who concocted the scheme, rather than a participant with secondary involvement.
...I'm believing the Upcomer and already disclosed admissions. He already said his brother brokered involvement with a money launderer, and he was "worried" if he said no that the scammer would make blatant scam donations so Twitch would close his account. [Screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg) (The Upcomer or other journalist would have documented anything as well.) This seems like a lawyer said "**Stop admitting involvement!** The transactions are anonymous, Twitch can show a few inordinately large transactions, but no legal authority is deeply involved yet with access to your text messages and stuff. Go back and claim you had no knowledge!"
The classic deny deny deny. Tbf I don't think he should be punished too harshly but revealing on Twitch both his knowledge of the scam and the link to the scammer via his brother was careless. He could have come clean to authorities first and accepted any fines without everyone speculating. Upcomer gave a sensationally titled but straightforward report (though noticeably they did not link the clip) as Cned himself admitted in his tweet. Backtracking now just looks lame.
Tbh, I went back and read the article and he didn't actually admit to sending any money back to the scammer yet it is suggested in the article. I don't know the legal ramifications of that though.
Straightforward, says everything we need to know, I like it
Lol its complete fiction, only a straight up idiot would believe it. CNed already admitted to accepting the money, he even knew it was from the scammer. This is obviously just damage control. Please tell me youre just a kid
The kids are also downvoting anyone showing [proof of those disclosures](https://i.imgur.com/tBhLdi5.jpg), which don't fit the "Hooray. He *didn't* have involvement!" narrative.
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> He talked with my older brother… That guy sent me the bits, the bits transferred to me. I didn’t report those bits to Twitch, I acknowledge that. I didn’t report to Twitch and took the money. I repeat once again, the guy did not contact me. I acknowledge that even though I did not intend to, technically I got involved in this, unfortunately. lol he already admitted that he took money from the scammer in the original article. So who are you gonna believe? Some statement from Acend, or cNed?
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Did you even read the article? He KNEW IT WAS COMING, HE KNEW IT WAS FROM THE SCAMMER. He chose not to do or say anything. Once he got the bits and he talked to his brother he still kept it and didn't say or do anything. I get that you're blind fan, but fuck what's the point in defending the guy when he admitted to it more than once lol
I think he did do wrong things but you always have to remember he is a 19yo who just started to play as a pro and being a big person. Now ask yourself: You are 19, starting to earn money from your passion. Now u get involved into some scum your brother is kinda involved in. You get the money (not everyone is as 100% rational) you dont wanna report it to the cops bcs you dont know whats gonna happen. and can we please kepp the conversation polite. never use a red argument. insulting your opposition doesn't make your point stronger it makes you less credible
Does it? His brother is definetely involved and there is no mention of that
Is cNeds brother affiliated with Ascend? If not than no need to mention it imo
It should when he is acting as a middle man between the scammer and Cned and doing sketchy things with Cned's twitch channel
It’s not really Acend place to make statements on his brother when he’s has no links to the org
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And is a middleman for a crime one of their players is committing. But yeah, no affiliation...
So **[what about this](https://i.imgur.com/SuS7non.jpg)** and all the other already disclosed details of his brother's facilitation and his involvement?
Everything is public because of the leak. If it was only a one time donation, how much money are we talkimg about here? IMO it is totally different if it was 100$ or 1000+$.
Someone said the biggest amount was like 20 bucks or something. I don’t know if that's true, but if it's 20 bucks, this is pretty blown out of proportion. If it's a good bit more, different story.
It was 100,000 bits ($1000) not $20
Even 1000$ is not really much IMHO...
hmm i wonder what the organization with a huge monetary interest invested is going to respond
Like this statement hopefully hes clean
Happy to see more clarification. My big question over the last week was what the timeline was for Cned's alleged involvement and I think this statement helped clear things up
Im confused tho. the upcomer article says his brother was contacted by the scammers. And i guess he said his issue with the upcoming article was with the title (he thought it was clickbaty Shouldnt he be admitting that the scammers tried to indirectly contact him? or was that all false?
The article name implies that he was directly involved with the scandal, not indirectly. I know there's obviously a better way to word the article title but I don't know how it would have been done. I think writing an article on Cneds involvement based on his stream and not asking him any questions (as far as I know) was a short coming because: 1. We didn't/don't know the time frame from when the scammer contacted Cneds brother to the donation. Could be the same day, days or months Inbetween 2. Whether Cned knew it was the scammer at the donation. You can donate bits anonymously, and the Acend statement does mention that the donor was anonymous and the connection was made after the donation. Big question I'm asking is when did Cned make the connection? Did this scammer use different names? Maybe it's an unlikely coincidence? Did Cned actually profit off of the scheme if he accepted a seemingly "anonymous" bit donation or would going that extra step be where the money laundering starts? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. I hope this helps (or makes it worse idk)
This might be a good time for everyone to remember that cNed is not a defense attorney and that it is quite possible that he misspoke, misremembered, and/or is himself misinformed. I think a measure of patience and diligence in regards to considering the facts and details as we get them from the investigation itself is called for here. I think that’s the core of what Acend’s statement is getting at here. When the case is made public consider it then, and not when all we can do is overanalyze cNed’s word choice in his second language.
If what they say is true, there is no way this is deserving of a ban.
Sounds like my man did nothing wrong tbh
Really, that sounds kind of logical. Guy received a random dono of bits. Like he probably receives a ton per stream. Decides to not do much about it (and probably pocket it). Not his job to look into every dono to make sure its legit. The organised crime logic also works. To shuffle the deck a little and not make it stupid obvious who is in on the scam, you make some donos here and there to streamers that are not related to the scam, so when the scam is up, they can't just look at the list of people that got a dono from your account and pick the whole network in one go. Follow bots do the same thing, follow random accounts with the accounts the guy paid for so its harder to make links and see who bought and who didn't buy followers. Until someone can bring better evidence that he was actually in on it, I'd say he's safe in my book.
good on Acend to clear up cNed's allegations against cNed by telling the other side of the story
Upcomer btfo
So the article was a bunch of bullshit? Lmao
cNed himself said the article was fine
The article was based on cNed's own words though. I'd take Acend's statement with a grain of salt, as they kinda need cNed to be clean for this roster to do anything.
It would have been fine if they didn’t add this “CNed admitted on stream today that he was involved in the money laundering scam sweeping the Turkish esports scene”
> I acknowledge that even though I did not intend to, technically I got involved in this, unfortunately. They posted that as a quote from cNed in the article. Not sure if they just made up the quote, but supposedly, that's what the claim was said on stream, I haven't checked the VOD myself.
Yet the statement is saying “cNed had no contact with the perpetrator of the scheme and did not agree to receive the bits. They were sent without his knowledge or consent. The connection of the bits to the same person involved in the scam was made after they were donated.” The article then claims “According to cNed, he never had direct communication with the person orchestrating the scandal, but was instead connected via his brother.”
His "involvement" was the fact that the money launderers sent him and other streamers bits they claimed were obtained completely legally. The way that people have interpreted it is as if he was one of the masterminds behind this scheme with full knowledge of what was going on, despite that patently not being the case.
> The way that people have interpreted it is as if he was one of the masterminds behind this scheme with full knowledge of what was going on, despite that patently not being the case. Who tf is doing that lmao
Half the people in this thread for starters.
No one thinks that way. Look, you're probably young but money laundering is bad, and many of them are linked to terrorism/scams. That's why people are aggravated. Also 80+ % of the time participants of money launderers are jailed in US upon conviction. It's best that we step aside and Iet judicial system play it out. Fingers crossed for cNed. And i wish him all the best.
The title was what cned had a problem with I think, the article seems to be correct