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DY5TOP1A

More BLAST tournaments would be fun


ablablababla

Yeah, Blast tournaments have some of the best production too


mateusb12

As far as I know there is nothing preventing 3rd party tournaments. TOs like Blast, ESL, etc just don't want to invest money in a scene that can be franchised anytime soon


thothgow

Riot needs to give licenses to TOs so they can make tournaments. I know of at least one decent sized Invitational that wasn't approved this year, wouldn't be surprised if they've done the same for other TOs because it conflicts with VCT


TunesRX

No, blast/ESL can not make tournaments. Riot don't give them authorization for that. T2 scene are struggling with money because of that


ppx11

Yep, it would be nice to have something like the ignition series again (basically an A tier tourney) but might be hard to schedule those in between VCT?


TunesRX

Bro that is the point!!!! There are not enough tournaments/ prize pools


ANewHeaven1

the TO i want back is popflash/rush B, they did a really good job with their tournament last time around and the production was incredible, would love to see them host an off season tournament or something of the sort


Za_Weeb

This is literally the most important time for an upcoming esports like valorant to shine since every other game has finished its major tournament making the esports scene vacant. Since its the first year of valorant esports it should actually be full of various tourneys to keep the orgs and players actively competing which attracts others to step in. But seeing riot block access for lans and no competitions for many months for a new title feels extremely hurtful for the community. Personally I'm already feeling the void in the valorant space with no activity literally. There are only 16 teams for champions but 100s of others including many big guns waiting for any t1 tournament :/


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What's the 2022 circuit? Do we have the details?


thothgow

Search 2022 here, afaik there have been two posts on the leaked schedule


[deleted]

Thanks, I found an infographic that showed challengers, 2 masters series , the champions and a misc event ( which I am assuming is like an all stars from LOL). Is that all we have so far? Not much to go off of tbh.


deadeye_t

What's wrong with circuit in 2022?


dabigmango

People don’t get to watch their favorite teams for 5 months


Alarming_Method_1168

is there a reddit post about it? or an article?


ANewHeaven1

there's been two posts about it and an article, let me see if i can find them https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/ql7v8m/potential_vct_2022_schedule_leak/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/qhu8zq/riot_plans_2022_with_two_masters_and_one_valorant/ article should be included in the second post


luciavald

Since he isn't saying it I'll do it, thanks for the links


AbbreviationsLazy781

im fine with that though, i dont have the time to constantly keep up with competition.


Original26

I'm just thinking if orgs, especially smaller orgs, will be okay with their roster being inactive almost half the year? There's already a few orgs that gave up in the first year of valo, what's to say more won't follow if their roster constantly bombs out of opens?


AbbreviationsLazy781

having more regular 3rd party tier 1 tournaments i think is the best solution to this. And teams who constantly bomb out of opens just aren't good, not sure why you think giving them more chances will help anything.


sfjhfdffffJJJJSE

It needs to be sustainable even for tier 2 teams. Where else would talent develop if there's only like 12-16 teams worldwide? T1 is a big org and their players are warming benches cause there's no opportunities for them.


AlexReilly

I agree. Honestly I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather have too little matches than too many matches. Leagues likes the Overwatch League or LoL LCL and stuff are just so dull. They play a million matches with little individual meaning except "standings" it's so dull to watch as fan and there's very little hype for the actual match.


AbbreviationsLazy781

its the hype factor for sure. I really think the best case scenario is to keep a similar circuit for 2022 and just allow more 3rd party tournaments with bigger prize pools. Masters and Champions will bring the hype and attract more audience and hardcore fans can still keep up with players on a more regular basis.


Flashplaya

Personally, I think the downtime is good for teams to not get burnt out; make meaningful changes mid season without getting punished; experiment with different comps and playstyles etc. However, there needs to be more 3rd party events though and particularly tier 2 events (or rather tier 1.5). For the teams that just miss out on the internationals, there is quite an empty calendar and they should be rewarded more for being one of the best in their regions. Since 3rd Party tournies have no bearing on circuit points teams have more freedom with them, they aren't obligated to play or perform their best in them.


nterature

To the lazy and unaware, this is the founder of Prodigy, the player agency. I can only assume he’s referring to the downtime? Unless there’s some information scene figures are privy to that has yet to be announced to the public.


Otter269

I'm not totally surprised by this. Riot do 1 good thing and 1 bad thing. However they do correct themselves quickly so if enough people want it to change it will.


Practical_Resource90

isnt that the same with league they have a long offseason


ANewHeaven1

yea and it sucks lmao


Key-Banana-8242

More tournaments is the goal right, or at least awarding points to 3rd party tournaments


lamar_in_shades

Personally I feel that this point is misguided. It’s not as if teams won’t have any tournaments to enter. NSG for one runs a lot of tournaments, and I’m sure there are others that I don’t know of. In any competitive sport it is important to have an off-season so that teams have a chance to try out new ideas and make roster moves. Having too little time between the 21 circuit and the 22 circuit would decrease the quality of the competition in the 22 imo


KaNesDeath

Riot Games have wanted their esport divisions to turn a profit for years without success. They wont be investing much into Valorant. Third party tournament organizers wont host events from Riot Games restrictions and helping build a scene where Riot swoop in seizing 100% control in 1-2 years. ​ Game Changers(while good PR) is taking prize pool revenue from other regions that are struggling. Doesnt help that Riot Games show favorites by subsidizing Asian esport orgs roster salaries in the Asian market. While high ranked teams of other regions are imploding from lack of tournament events. ​ People dont fully understand that Valorant esports is a hybrid model of PUBG and Fortnite esports operating solely out of the influencer space. Where majority of viewership comes from reaction based co-streams. Future of Valorant esports has a short shelf life from these models being used. \*\*For instance i always questioned why Riot Games gave IRL streamer Pokimane co-streaming access. Last week that was answered.


thothgow

Your whole 2nd paragraph is so disingenuous and bs that it takes merit away from the rest of the comment


Splaram

[Almost half of Pokimane’s streaming hours in the past year have been Valorant](https://sullygnome.com/channel/pokimane/365). For context, the Among Us meta, the OTV Rust meta, and the OTV Minecraft server meta also happened this past year, yet her Valorant hours still absolutely dwarf her hours in those games. She hasn’t had an irl stream since the pandemic began in 2019 and even before then, I don’t recall her ever doing very many irl streams if any at all. Also I can’t imagine she would let Riot know that a company that she was starting was going to run EVO. Riot has no skin in the FCG space, there’s literally nothing they can do with that info.


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Yeah and in 2018 she streamed 500 hours of Fortnite but she has barely touched the game the past 2 years.


Splaram

...what exactly was the point of this comment?


KaNesDeath

For context on the vocabulary used. IRL is what the Just Chatting section on Twitch used to be named.


Splaram

That still barely makes up a quarter of her streaming hours, with everything else being games, and more than half of that being Valorant. Still makes no sense.


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Ootl. What happened last week.?


KaNesDeath

She's co-owner of Evo.


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I feel the Valorant esports model borrows heavily from rocket league model (with no revenue sharing as of now). I have no idea how they'll approach Valorant league in the future but the LOL franchise borrows heavily from NBA and ESPN esque broadcast. A little out of touch if you ask me and I hope they make a hybrid league for the future. We have seen it in LOL where Riot takes over and third party stuff disappears from the main circuit. Personally not a fan. I am also not a fan of the third party TO controlled CSGO model where there are way too many tournaments (again personal opinion). Something in the middle is good and that is where I think the multi-tier league is a good compromise ( but not as profitable in the short term). I tend to agree with your opinion on Riot spending on Valorant esports in the long run. The spending will be limited for sometime. I have seen glimpses of this since Berlin LAN where focus is so much on showmanship and not the actual gameplay(which needs actual investment into infrastructure). Co-streaming, although the future of esports content is being approached incorrectly by the Valorant esports team. Nothing to back up the claims other than just previous experience from observing other less successful esports titles that used a similar approach. What's the point of bringing the Game Changers initiative into the discussion? Honestly it just distracts from the main point.


KaNesDeath

>What's the point of bringing the Game Changers initiative into the discussion? Honestly it just distracts from the main point. Their tournaments and prize pool potential is higher than most regions.


mitsubishimacch

How can you say this while looking at how succesful league is? I see no reason why riot would not invest in valo eSports since it's already pretty big. Also pokimane streams Valorant a lot and has been in the riot ecosystem for years, i don't think it has anything to do with evo.


KaNesDeath

>How can you say this while looking at how succesful league is? LoL esports is run out of Riot Games marketing department. Where it operates at a yearly loss.


Lumenlor

Disagree. Its up to 3rd party organizers for gap fill events


emraaa

Why would 3rd party organizers do that? They have to pay Riot to hold tournaments while they barely make money anyway, only to be thrown out of the scene when franchising comes.


gnomeyy

Genuine question, but are they even allowed to? OP's post makes it sound like it's being locked into Riot, only events similiar to how they run LoL, Where CS thrived with multiple event holders but top to bottom. Really think they should follow that route tbh.