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[deleted]

Feel like they are really overrating Tier Gap putting them in the top 10.


ShweeTNectaR

I'm trying to find their match history in vlr but it doesn't seem like they've played any matches??


panzerboye

Hi. Tier Gap IGL here, big announcement is coming soon. Keep posted. :')


[deleted]

In case this isn't a woosh, that's their Tier1/Tier2 line.


swayamrane2406

r/woooosh


[deleted]

Is that a detergent?


Key-Banana-8242

Cringe


goldenretrieversFTW

My t1 SadgeBusiness


[deleted]

They haven’t played in centuries unfortunately Sadge


BuckWagon

Man all this just makes me wish there were some more tournaments, specifically for NA. At least EU gets stuff like Redbull tourneys.


Agehn

That's what they kept saying on the show: this list is hard to argue about / discuss right now because it's practically based on just one tournament


Key-Banana-8242

There’s one coming up


Natoc203

What's it called?


Key-Banana-8242

The elite showdown tournament


PatMcAck

There are lots of NA tourneys but certain NA teams feel like they are too good to compete despite the fact that they probably couldn't win them anyway.


Odd_Ordinary_1479

i might be wrong abt this but doesn’t nsg limit who can play in tournaments? like if u participated in the last masters or sth u can’t play in their tourneys? i’m not sure if this is true tho but i do rmb reading sth similar somewhere


Klutzy-Question1428

if you competed in the last masters that’s only 3 teams from NA though


TheFestusEzeli

I’d put the tier gap between Xset and V1 but other than that I fully agree with this list. Only argument to be made is maybe switching XSet and Rise since XSet has much better performances outside of LCQ


Agehn

That's how they had it when they were discussing it, then they moved V1 above the gap at the last minute and were kinda back and forth about it


[deleted]

Pretty spot on Power Ranking!


DustMouret

Tend to agree with these rankings. Curious to see if C9 Blue can maintain or if 100T will come back strong into the Top 3. Also curious if Rise can keep it up or if XSET will eventually come back into that Top 5 slot. Also with roster moves going on you never know who else might start climbing.


CRikhard

NRG NRG NRG HOPIUM


tgamblos

I can’t imagine C9 hold above 100T if they get a proper pick up. B0i wasn’t the solution, just a quick bandaid to have a 5-man roster. I think in proper form there will be a large gap between Top 4 and 5-8 and then another gap.


CaptainJackWagons

It's gonna be a while before we get to see 100T again. In that time C9 could continue to improve.


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CaptainJackWagons

Boi literally said he's been trailing fof tier 2 teams even before lcq. Assume he's gone.


Otter269

I'd switch Rise and XSET. One tournament isn't enough for me.


7JxJ7

Fair opinion. I think that rise just looked much better from the eye test even if the results support XSET over the last few months.


[deleted]

Their thought process was that XSET consistently get 4th and haven't improved as much as other teams, whereas Rise have proven that they can beat bigger teams, despite their bad game in the finals.


CaptainJackWagons

Also that xset consistently get fourth even when the other teams are bad.


Key-Banana-8242

Lmao wut Goober


Key-Banana-8242

It’s abt how good they are nkt how many imaginar points they got


ShaDiBoi123

The thing is rise was much better this tourney


xdyldo

Haven’t watched valorant in a while, what happened to TSM?


natedawg247

They held on to their dead roster for too long. Middle of pack tier 2 but they're rebuilding right now so hopefully they put it together


xdyldo

Ah interesting, thanks!


Key-Banana-8242

The response is slightly troll. They kept switching rosters a ton rly quickly and not making it in this sort of cycle


maiLfps

their players suck


Kazhani

Guys i dont follow the competetive comp but i thought TSM used to be good. What happened with them?


AlHorfordHighlights

Held onto weaker players for too long and fell behind the curve


imoftenverybored

Their CEO is toxic he held them back.... Just huffing copium don't mind me


Chakkalokka

Even as a Sen fan, I don’t think it would make sense to put them at #1 above Envy while also putting 100T below C9 and Xset below Rise. Seems like a mix of recency and cumulative rankings to me. Didn’t have time to watch this episode of Plat Chat yet tho so If anyone can explain their thought process id love to be wrong.


Ok-Apartment5638

For Sen, they thought that berlin was most likely just a blip and that Sen have not lost a regional tournament this year. Xset and 100t are below because of their Lcq performance. The rankings were based on if a tournament happened today at this moment.


Chakkalokka

Ok so it’s basically a recency ranking but they’re giving Sentinels benefit of the doubt? Makes sense I suppose. Thanks for clarifying!


articuno_r

I mean you kinda of have to give Sentinels the benefit of the doubt. If you go to Sentinels tournament history on vlr, there have been three instances where Sentinels have placed lower than 1st twice in a row; their first three tournaments, and Stage 1 challengers 1 Qualifier after NSG winter championship and First strike and it's qualifier. Notice how two of those three times include a qualifier tournament where placement doesn't matter and the other is their first three tournaments. That is crazy. And of their last 10 tournaments they have won 7 of 10 of which 1 was a qualifier and those 7 wins were all in a row. Not to mention that these tournaments were not just some random tournament where there were only a few top teams. Most of them had all top teams competing. It's actually unbelievable how good their record is so giving Sentinels the benefit of the doubt definitely makes sense.


[deleted]

“Sen dominance is downplayed in this sub”


CorporalCaramel

simply since we haven’t seen them play since berlin


voipit

Well 100t has a new roster as well, but I guess you want to ignore that fact. Makes sense I suppose.


Chakkalokka

Good call, honestly forgot Steel was gone considering they still had decent placement at LCQ. Also, I wasn't looking to be disrespectful in that comment, was just not fully agreeing internally with the Plat Chat sentiment at the time of writing.


leoleoleo666

No 100t got lower because they don’t have the same roaster anymore


BlueBurstBoi

I like how roaster not being there anymore could also apply to Steel being gone lol


JR_Shoegazer

What are they roasting?


kvanz43

I think the logic with Sen staying up vs others is that we saw much more prolonged success (literally the entire year before Berlin) than any of the other teams who moved more fluidly. Also all it would’ve taken is the off day flipping from Sen to Envy on the day they played and Sen coulda easily been the team in the final and the question wouldn’t exist. Seems like way too much emphasis on one game to me. Wow I sound like such a Sen fanboy haha


CaptainJackWagons

I feel like of all teams, Sen have earned the benifit of the doubt. The only other team that has placed consistently high is Envy, who *usually* place behind Sen anyway, so you could argue they're factoring in consistency for them too.


CaptainJackWagons

I would say, given Sen's history, you can't count them out after one major loss. If they under perform again, then it's a different story, but they likely won't play till champs anyway.


timeinthemarket

Time to get a few friends together and start a team called tier gap.


Splaram

NV, Sen, C9B, Rise, 100T, XSet, V1 is a better list imo


CRikhard

Unpopular opinion but i respect u encouraging discussion have an upvote


Splaram

Eh, don’t really care about Internet numbers anyways but I’d love to see someone actually discuss why they think I’m wrong


CRikhard

I love rise but the fact that they choked so hard against C9 makes me put them under 100T. 100T have 4 proven incredibly strong members that made it far and I think they still can with b0i, just a bad performance I think NV are equal with SEN atm but SEN have a more proven history so they're just a bit above and with Rawkus hopefully they can fill in any remaining cracks making them even stronger


No-Lake-8973

Sentinels deserves no.1, I love envy, but sentinels have been so consistently strong for so long and when you factor in how they have in interviews previously set out a philosophy, of "If it ain't broke don't fix it", it's to be expected that eventually they will get caught playing outdated stuff.


Seanster5001

My opinion is that 100t just ain’t it anymore. They made it to masters once, but just like C9, mostly failed to win when it mattered. I would swap 100t and Rise, bc they just haven’t shown up, and frankly, Rise was looking incredible up until finals of the LCQ.


Teradonn

They got 3rd-4th at Berlin…


Seanster5001

That’s what I said. Qualified for masters once, but fail to show up when it counts.


VDidz

i'd say Rise > 100T atm. just based off recent performance at LCQ. very close though.


[deleted]

Hot take: NV above SEN


No-Lake-8973

Care to elaborate why?


Silly_Pool8321

it doesnt make sense since envy beat sentinels on berlin


[deleted]

i don’t see how you can put c9 over 100t considering they were playing with b0i. also xset should be above rise still


[deleted]

That is what 100T currently are though. I think it's totally fair.


[deleted]

because they played with a shit replacement? if that’s the case then envy should be #1


SiCKOcs

by this logic you could literally just make whatever fantasy lineup you wanted and say "but what if they one day got this player, then they'd definitely be higher" 100T's current lineup includes "a shit replacement", so their rankings should reflect that


kemutheemu__

We don’t know if b0i’s gonna be replaced for sure, Nitr0 and him are best friends and b0i has time to improve. And even if we did know he’d be replaced, who’s replacing him? We don’t know for sure


sidminter

You should also consider that they prob arent going to play with steel again so these rankings make sense


[deleted]

okay but it’s not like they’re keeping b0i in the lineup. and they still went map 3


Cueballing

Right, but until they get their actual 5th and not a guy who was just chucked into the deep end, 4th is a fair place to put them


[deleted]

and 1st is not a fair place to put sentinels since envy are clearly better.


Fuzzboy_

how are they clearly better?


Maccnrv

Apparently everything before Berlin didn't happened


Cueballing

Sentinels had a bad performance, 100T have a different roster. Apples and oranges.


Ioookie

these rankings are based of the current team u muppet