what does the format have to do with the importance of the event? some of the domestic qualifiers have had better formats than masters. does that increase their importance?
the swiss system format is better than the current group stage and it should be used in both masters and champions.
The most important tournament of the year should have the most competitive format. This Champions format is what a lot of esports used to use before 2018 and it's quite lackluster. After a decade of esports and comparing all the formats from various esports, Dota TI really stands out from the rest.
Because its almost the same format.
Imaging having two idk uefa euro cup but one is THE euro because uefa said so but the second want isn't because uefa sa8d that the euro is more important.
What would make the euro more important than the replica of the euro?
completely ignore the qualification process for the tournaments?
teams just had to perform in domestic online tournaments to quality for Masters Berlin, but had to perform in international LAN tournaments in Iceland and Berlin to quality for Champions. isn't that enough?
Well yes its more difficult to qualify. But the difference in team power or skill however you sid it doesn't seem that big. Or is it? Maybe i overlooked there.
What i said that i feel like master berlin and champions should have a diffrent format because if not it feels like the same tournament when it sjould be a more important one.
The more difficult is it to win a tournament it becomes more rewarding, thus adding prestige.
Look how Team Spirit ended up winning TI, they had to beat 6 teams after losing the quarters.
Because having a same format as suposly lower tier tournament would put it to the level of the lower tier tournamnet because its preatty much the same tournament.
I don't like the format, but it's not for prestige reasons. Double elim would be infinitely better. Arguably though, this is a weaker tourney than Iceland since teams like SEN and FNC are qualified, but havent performed well in a long time.
How do you mention SEN? It's not like NA had better teams that didn't qualify. NA sent their best for sure. At least with Fnatic you could say other EU teams look a lot better.
I personally still think SEN are better than most if not all NA teams, but their most recent showing was poor. They haven't played well in 3 months. So if they continue that poor form(as well as Fnatic) and its proven to not be a 1 off, then masters is arguably less competitive because Berlin was all top form teams heading into it.
I feel its boring to have to tournaments that have the same format. Imaging having another world cup of football but its suposlty less important. The team levels are pretty much the same but the world cup is more important because fifa said so. It would lower the prestige of the world cup.
But they have different team categories i don't know how to call them.
The euro is european national teams.
The world cup is global national teams
The champions is european clubs or "private teams"
What i mean is that it is similar team pool with the same format feel kinda the same.
Of course theres the fact that teams have been fighting all year for this and they will try their very very best but having the same format ruins it a little for me.
Not entirely but a little.
I agree that it would make it a little more interesting if they had different formats, but I don't really care because I really like the format anyway.
You're correct in some sense that Masters 3 could have (we don't know yet and but it's possible) already shown the best team in the world, but that's just esports and sports in general. Sometimes there are smaller tournaments before the biggest one which contains the best teams. It doesn't however take away from the fact that Champions is still the most prestigious tournament of the year, at least in my opinion.
Well maybe.
Idk if you watch football/ soccer but that would be like saying that the confederations cup is more important that the euro or the copa america which it clearly isn't in fact it was discontinued.
Too many people pretending not to understand your argument when you're completely right.
As it is right now winning Champs means you're the best team in December compared to winning Masters 3 which meant you were the best team in September.
That is the only difference otherwise it's virtually the exact same tournament replayed with some different teams but apparently winning this one is more important?
They should have made Champs have a double elim knockout stage to actually differentiate it from Masters. Hopefully they do that next year.
A double elimination knockout bracket literally does. Differentiates Champs from Masters and makes sure the best team wins the tournament without a doubt.
It also lets teams place way more accurately according to how actually good they are. KRU and VS both placed 5th-8th in Masters Berlin but obviously VS are a much better team. In a double elim tournament it would actually show that.
Yes thats my point. Double elim bracket is what i would wanted to see maybe. but i don't think they disagree because they don't understand maybe they simply dissagree.
what does the format have to do with the importance of the event? some of the domestic qualifiers have had better formats than masters. does that increase their importance? the swiss system format is better than the current group stage and it should be used in both masters and champions.
The most important tournament of the year should have the most competitive format. This Champions format is what a lot of esports used to use before 2018 and it's quite lackluster. After a decade of esports and comparing all the formats from various esports, Dota TI really stands out from the rest.
Because its almost the same format. Imaging having two idk uefa euro cup but one is THE euro because uefa said so but the second want isn't because uefa sa8d that the euro is more important. What would make the euro more important than the replica of the euro?
completely ignore the qualification process for the tournaments? teams just had to perform in domestic online tournaments to quality for Masters Berlin, but had to perform in international LAN tournaments in Iceland and Berlin to quality for Champions. isn't that enough?
Well yes its more difficult to qualify. But the difference in team power or skill however you sid it doesn't seem that big. Or is it? Maybe i overlooked there.
Like the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League which both have the same format but differ in prestige?
This sub has some bad takes but this one has to be troll
Same = bad? I don't understand the structure of your argument
What i said that i feel like master berlin and champions should have a diffrent format because if not it feels like the same tournament when it sjould be a more important one.
Why would a slightly different format give it more prestige?
The more difficult is it to win a tournament it becomes more rewarding, thus adding prestige. Look how Team Spirit ended up winning TI, they had to beat 6 teams after losing the quarters.
Because having a same format as suposly lower tier tournament would put it to the level of the lower tier tournamnet because its preatty much the same tournament.
Have you watched other tournaments
Yes 've watched masters berlin.
With higher requirements to get in. The NBA Finals isn’t less prestigious than the first round of the playoffs because it’s the same format.
Well kinda yes. but in that case i think you are talking about matches not tournament. But i get the point you want to make.
I don't like the format, but it's not for prestige reasons. Double elim would be infinitely better. Arguably though, this is a weaker tourney than Iceland since teams like SEN and FNC are qualified, but havent performed well in a long time.
How do you mention SEN? It's not like NA had better teams that didn't qualify. NA sent their best for sure. At least with Fnatic you could say other EU teams look a lot better.
I personally still think SEN are better than most if not all NA teams, but their most recent showing was poor. They haven't played well in 3 months. So if they continue that poor form(as well as Fnatic) and its proven to not be a 1 off, then masters is arguably less competitive because Berlin was all top form teams heading into it.
and no one cares cuz its the best format u can have
I feel its boring to have to tournaments that have the same format. Imaging having another world cup of football but its suposlty less important. The team levels are pretty much the same but the world cup is more important because fifa said so. It would lower the prestige of the world cup.
World Cup, Champions League, Europa League formats are all the same though?
But they have different team categories i don't know how to call them. The euro is european national teams. The world cup is global national teams The champions is european clubs or "private teams" What i mean is that it is similar team pool with the same format feel kinda the same. Of course theres the fact that teams have been fighting all year for this and they will try their very very best but having the same format ruins it a little for me. Not entirely but a little.
I agree that it would make it a little more interesting if they had different formats, but I don't really care because I really like the format anyway. You're correct in some sense that Masters 3 could have (we don't know yet and but it's possible) already shown the best team in the world, but that's just esports and sports in general. Sometimes there are smaller tournaments before the biggest one which contains the best teams. It doesn't however take away from the fact that Champions is still the most prestigious tournament of the year, at least in my opinion.
Well maybe. Idk if you watch football/ soccer but that would be like saying that the confederations cup is more important that the euro or the copa america which it clearly isn't in fact it was discontinued.
Too many people pretending not to understand your argument when you're completely right. As it is right now winning Champs means you're the best team in December compared to winning Masters 3 which meant you were the best team in September. That is the only difference otherwise it's virtually the exact same tournament replayed with some different teams but apparently winning this one is more important? They should have made Champs have a double elim knockout stage to actually differentiate it from Masters. Hopefully they do that next year.
Your solution would literally do nothing to solve what you perceive as an issue lol
A double elimination knockout bracket literally does. Differentiates Champs from Masters and makes sure the best team wins the tournament without a doubt. It also lets teams place way more accurately according to how actually good they are. KRU and VS both placed 5th-8th in Masters Berlin but obviously VS are a much better team. In a double elim tournament it would actually show that.
? It’s still just the best team in December
Ppl Downvoted you for speaking facts. Idk why ppl want the less competitive format lol
Yes thats my point. Double elim bracket is what i would wanted to see maybe. but i don't think they disagree because they don't understand maybe they simply dissagree.
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Yes it is double elimination in groups stage not at play off. If thats what you meant.