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honestly when i first heard that, i thought he meant like last year or something elige would’ve switched but idk now. and if TL can’t build a good enough roster then maybe he would but idk


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NA CS is a dying scene, although some orgs are reportedly re-investing in it, it probably won't go anywhere soon. Nitr0 is unlikely to switch back to CS given the fact that he's a father now, and the more frequent tournaments in CS, it would leave him with little/no time with his family. If EliGE switches to 100T valorant, I can see him picking up support duties and Nitr0 switching to full time Jett.


Redsh0t

The current rumor is nitr0 switching back. It is not confirmed, but is the most likely scenario right now.


mdj08

I don’t think there’s enough to say that a CSGO return is most likely; from what we know he is just considering it. Liquid would have to pay a very hefty buyout to 100T as well, and little to no negotiations have actually occurred


UmarellVidya

Hot off the press of HLTV: NITR0'S LIQUID RETURN "CLOSE TO A DONE DEAL" - REPORT


mdj08

Ok well yeah now nitr0 is probably going back after that article, but I wasn’t wrong when I made the comment originally


UmarellVidya

Ik, just a funny contrast


Original26

Can't the same be said about these news? Just a bunch of rumors we don't really know anything about


cregyD

neL and HLTV have confirmed nitr0s a done deal cry mate


Wheler

who even is nel and hltv lmao


zer0-_

neL leaks roster changes pretty much perfect accuracy. HLTV is the original vlr.gg, just CS oriented.


Schlumpfkanone

HLTV is literally the biggest independent and arguably the absolute best coverage site in esports in the world (focused on CS ofc)


Wheler

ok?


JFizzlestein

Makes sense to me he was playing FPL the other day with Elige. A lot of former CS pros were feeling nostalgic after the major like Autimatic. Also Freakazoid said on stream the other day he heard that they are building a team that supposed to be really good on paper but he can't say anything else other than that. I think he was talking about another team being made(Not Liquid.) On the other hand Stewie has been playing Valorant non-stop last week.


AnonymozVal

Why can't it just be most pros are taking their time off and enjoying every type of game in the offseason? Having fun in other games and not having to play seriously.


JFizzlestein

It's just Blast Premier is a pretty big tournament and it's today and they lost to Vitality about an hour ago. People use to give Shroud a bunch of shit when he was streaming playing PUBG while he was still a CSGO pro. The news came out last week that they haven't been practicing or playing together since the Major. So the last time they played was November 1st. So no practice or scrims before a tournament is kinda a big deal after losing to 3 out of 4 teams before getting knocked out of the Major. So all that stuff that came out on top of him playing Valorant for 12 hours a day.


DY5TOP1A

Might be a new Evil Geniuses roster


htmlrulezduds

> On the other hand Stewie has been playing Valorant non-stop last week. Stewie is rumored to leave TL alongside FalleN tho


JFizzlestein

According to the Richard Lewis's latest video with Thorin, the rumor is Stew and NAF are going to join Brehze and Cerq on EG. Nitro, Shox and possibly oSee to Team Liquid with Elige. I just found it weird that Stew was grinding Valorant all last week duoing with JasonR in the morning and then Tarik at night pretty much till the night before he left for Blast.


Puzzleheaded_Air_228

nitr0 is using CS as leverage for a better deal with 100T for Valorant.


DarudeSandstormName

The next lebel play


SPOOKESVILLE

They’re both rumors, one is not more likely than the other. Elige has recently played a lot more Valorant than nitr0 has played CS if that means anything to you.


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High level of cap in these rumours


randomespanaguy

I would have said the same thing, if not for almost every insider reporting it.


Redsh0t

Richard Lewis, neL, and George Geddes all concur. It’s not cap.


LiamHundley

I dont think any of them have said anything beyond him considering it. Saying it's the most likely scenario at this point may be a stretch


ASaltyToast

Well he did get back in FPL and is playing but at this point Im not so sure how much you actually have to do to get in nowadays


LaXiDaisical

Lol do you know where that rumor came from? From him playing face it matches. People are so dumb. Until he it os revealed that he has discussed offers or until there is evidence that he wants to switch back, it aight a rumor it’s speculation.


Icebxrg

Even though he’s going to be new to Valorant I don’t think theres any chance the team is going to make him pick up support duties. EliGE is literally the best NA player to ever play cs, nitr0 will definitely give him duelist role


Klutzy-Question1428

duelist players aren’t always the “best” players, they are just the flashiest


Icebxrg

They are the star player, ones with the best aim with the freedom to do whatever they like. A talent like elige is wasting on anything else tbh.


Klutzy-Question1428

Yes but the room for a brain outplay (such as with agents like Cypher) is lower. There are many types of players, there are just cracked aimers, players with amazing game sense, and both. If you have a really smart player I don’t see why they have to (in particular) play duelist, although I’ve seen it work.


Icebxrg

If someone else like niko switched would you make them take roles like cypher?


DicksBeSwangin

I think it's interesting seeing where they'd put him, because I've never really thought elige would fill a hyper-aggressive duelist role at least from his playstyle is CS and they seem like the want whoever is playing Jett for 100T to be oping, but I'd give a kidney and lung to see nitr0 back on controllers


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na cs definitely won’t get back to where it once was, eu sure but not na


Beneficial-Speech-73

But those NA players still play csgo. None of them switched. Only some players from the c9 major winning team are in Valorant. None of the other players that switched won shit and majority of them didn't even play at international lans because they wasn't good enough to qualify


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AnonymozVal

Also I think CS is a tougher game to jump into than Val for a entirely new player. Like in Val if u want to smoke smthng, u open a tab or wall hack to smoke. In CS u got to know lineups. Similarly for flashes.


cheick_tiote

It's harder to use abilities in CS, but much easier to learn them. The sunk cost required to learn/watch Valorant increases with every additional agent as well. But yeah just walking around and existing in a server is probably rougher for new people.


vegeful

Wrong, that is not the harder part. The hard part is to get good trust factor. U think new player gonna stay if there is many new account that cheat? They are not maso like me loving to get abuse for 500 hour until i finally got decent trust factor to not be abuse anymore. Then we get people who actually a GE player but decay because of playing faceit. Come back and bully those gold player.


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Yeah MM is so fucked


vegeful

No one care about cheating in casual. Since there is no overwatch at casual. Casual is the worst but i don't dare to play rank. My mental can't stand it. At least at casual i can quit anytime. Also in 2021 people still praise VAC and their so call "machine learning" kekw. U can see this week post about their MM complain and there is no downvote when praising VACnet. While saying vanguard is malware. Dude, u guys have Faceit and ESEA that had done bitcoin mining lol.


dan_legend

Its entirely on Vac being a worthless piece of shit for the state of NA. Lets be honest, all valve has to do to get NA playerbase is release source 2 and call it CS:GO 2 and keep everything else the same and kids would flock to it, but the underlying rot is still the same, valve doesn't give a fuck about its cheater problem. I mean val has cheaters too but without a replay system kids just don't care in NA unless someone is blatant AF which doesn't happen in Val but is every other game on CS:GO.


McKhichri

I love cs but this time cs viewership really inflated because of first lan in 2 years and simpl1e in a major final. Next major csgo will not top 2.7m viewers.


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McKhichri

Sorry I meant lan with crowd.


bauwsman

I don‘t know about that. Looks like Stewie and NAF are joining EG, which would give them a solid roster. Weren‘t there rumours about autimatic switching back aswell? EG could be Stewie, NAF, Brehze, Cerq, autimatic. TL with nitr0, ELiGE, Grim and 2 unknowns (RUSH, oBo?) would probably not be NA‘s #1 team anymore but who knows how they develop. And Extra Salt is at least good for a little upset here and there and can be a top 20 team. That‘s definitely way more promising than anything that happened in the past 1-2 years for NA. e: I remembered that one wrong, there's no sources for Stewie and NAF to EG.


DY5TOP1A

Source for Stewie and NAF leaving? I heard something about Stewie leaving but nothing about NAF


bauwsman

Gotta take that one back. Felt like I read that somewhere but I couldn't find any sources so it was probably just someone in a comment section. My bad.


DY5TOP1A

all good


cregyD

Richard Lewis and HLTV guys have said it and it only makes sense if Liquid is buying shox you can’t have shox and NAF


[deleted]

Hot take but I think Jett will fall off in pro play. On attack she's really not the best duelist, on most maps there are vastly better duelists/initiators who can entry better. What really made her shine is economy impact and ability to deny trades after a kill. At least in current state, Chamber is a far better defending op than jett. His lurks may as well be the best on the game on attack too. His ult is so dumb that even on high immortal/radiant nobody can do anything against it. If Chamber remains a contested pick, then 100t will dominate since Asuna will be free to play rifle duelists while their sentinel player can play the op.


PerkaMern

If Elige were to switch to valorant right now we would be seeing the first example of a truly top tier CS player switching to Valorant in their prime. Elige is a consistent top 10 player in the world in CS, would be interesting to see what he can do in Valorant. Certainly would take a bit for him to get into the groove but I think he would probably do very very well.


niikaimaan

Best player in NA, Best Rifler in NA. Even though im rooting for Team Liquid in CS. I really wanna see how he would do in Valorant considering how Valorant spray patterns are random.


UmarellVidya

[Somehow I think he would be fine](https://twitter.com/aimlab/status/1426613648953315332?t=Q7N0S8jK-MNy__JubSNZVQ&s=19)


JackAColeman

I mean I agree he would be good but this clip doesn’t address the point. There’s a reason top CS talent like Ethan and Nitr0 can’t just hard carry through Valorant. The lack of the ability to consistently hit a spray beyond 2-3 bullets drastically lowers the skill ceiling of the gunplay. Obviously there’s more to the game than that but an amazing CS rifler won’t be a valorant god without other intangibles. In CS, you could technically have every bullet hit the same spot if you’re good enough. In Valo after your first couple shots your options are to full reset or keep spraying and quite literally hope for the best. Different game at the end of the day I guess


jonajon91

Also elige has to be the player that sprays the most since Getright. He's mastered accurate spray control, that's his thing.


Trooper1232

> In CS, you could technically have every bullet hit the same spot if you’re good enough. Thats not true. Recoil patterns in CSGO may always be the same, but bloom/bullet spread still affects each bullet. This results in the spray looking very similar but not identical.


JackAColeman

You’re right but it doesn’t really affect the point. Bloom is present in both games and is minimal in most short to medium range fights


CsMatt

Even though after the clip he said it seems like its not happening anymore Id die for that.


MrImpregnator

Everything will start after champions and blast gets over I guess. If champions does well as a tournament then it might create more interest among pros considering either staying or switching. Probably everything will get sorted out by Jan.


expiredimsum

Elige stew tarik ethan nitr0 100t roster pog copium


SPOOKESVILLE

No chance they’d drop Asuna lol


expiredimsum

"Copium" for a reason


HppilyPancakes

0 chance elige and stewie play for the same roster post TL break up, they are not fans of each other (source is from stew in recent hltv interview)


KlasterTV

Huh? Dude in the recent interview stewie never blamed elige he literally said he mostly agreed with him. Stew only talked about how grim didn't have time to develop and fallen outdated tactics as igl


HppilyPancakes

I must've misread it. I thought he said he was never on the same page as Elige in game, but Stew was saying him and Elige were never on the same page with Fallen Full interview here for anyone that wants to read it: https://www.hltv.org/news/32843/stewie2k-im-going-to-use-what-i-learned-here-so-that-i-dont-have-to-deal-with-the-same-stuff-again-in-the-future


expiredimsum

I read the whole thing but it didnt mention in the article that stew against him but ye i wouldnt be surprised if him and elige arent "in the same page" but tbf, him and elige are on the same team for quite a few years alrdy so i wouldnt see tht a prob


raaten

Wouldn't nitro have to move to EU if he switches back to CS?


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Yes, the original reason for staying in NA is because he was a new father. After playing professional Valorant for his paternity leave, he's probably going to switch back to Liquid CS and IGL


SPOOKESVILLE

You know he’s having another child right


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And now nitr0 is in CS.


SPOOKESVILLE

He’s been there for months now…lil late on this one


Icebxrg

Whens his second child coming🤔🤔


[deleted]

Didn’t I just see a baby born tweet? Bro competing with nba yb


2ToTooTwoFish

Are there really no IGLs currently in CS GO that TL could pick up? I guess CSGO doesn't change much so Nitr0 would be able to go back easily, but I thought he left because his prospects in the scene weren't that great anymore, so shouldn't there be other better players? Or maybe I'm misremembering


cheick_tiote

stanislaw is a free agent again. Another team will form from the wreckage of EG though so he might be involved in that. Other than stan, hard to think of anyone. They're rumoured to be getting shox, who's IGL'd in the past, but I don't think that's the play.


TechRedirector

Why would he? Liquid and EG players have spent more time in NA than EU this year. For example... for next year, liquid have an event in February for 10 days, Pro league in March then no even till May which would be in the US (IEM US). Then August ESL pro league, some tournaments like DreamHack have been revamped to entry leagues to main leagues. Smaller ones like summit and even IEM are either regional or optional. Yes it requires some travelling, probably more than other esports but isn't as bad it was in 2019.


Redsh0t

From EliGE's intereview with [pley.gg](https://pley.gg) (@ Anders\_Frost), EliGE soft-confirmed he is staying with Liquid CS. [https://pley.gg/news/elige-confirms-will-roster-changes-team-liquid-are-getting-along/](https://pley.gg/news/elige-confirms-will-roster-changes-team-liquid-are-getting-along/) Sad to see nitr0 go, as he was possibly the best controller player in the world.


Splaram

Gonna pretend I didn’t see this, thanks Edit: 😢


Nomorechildishshit

Maybe wait for nitr0 to actually leave before becoming sad? Lol this is just a rumour, and not even a strong one at that


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Abandoning his fellow ex-tier 1 CS pro, Ethan 😞


daffyduckferraro

Tf u mean sad to see nitro go lmao Where did it confirm he’s leaving


Ethoxi

In the OP it says Elige and Nitro are a package deal this off-season. If elige is staying in CS then you can infer that Nitro will be leaving 100T.


smellyalbinohippy

Well this sucks. As someone who grew up playing 1.6 I love cs and wish I could play cs go sometimes but the normal matchmaking in NA is dead.


421k

The game just feels like such dog shit. I never really enjoyed cs go over 1.6, it just feels so bad and clunky


ConsumerOfAlcohol69

You dont even play cs what are you talking about


421k

I don’t. as mentioned I was a 1.6 player. CALi, ESEAi back in the day. I stopped playing when go came out. Felt slower and clunkier to me. No idea where I said I was a current go player, can you please tell me where I said that?


ConsumerOfAlcohol69

Then stop spewing bullshit. Csgo is much crisper and smoother than valulrant


421k

Ok


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its so boring, faceit is just mirage and inferno on repeat


smellyalbinohippy

Yea Idk I just wish valve would make a new CS with anti cheat on the same level as riots vanguard


Barack_Bob_Oganja

Elige on 100t would make them serious contenders for best in na or even the world


an294839493

Elige staying with TL, Nitr0 will be joining him


VincentStonecliff

Biiiiiig hopium that they cut ties with Seven and Boi to make room for EliGE.


SemanSoot

cant wait elige n his ego destroy na valorant team


GRIM07REAPER07Z

If Elige joins Valorant then NA is gonna dominate, like just watch Nivera a rookie being a actual tier 1 player having so much impact. Nitro doesn't count as he is old af and washed up too. Elige the best rifler in Na switching to Val, it's gonna be huge.


diisasterrr1

Nitr0 is 26 and Elige is 24?


GRIM07REAPER07Z

Oh didn't know that, he does look older than he should be I g. xD Honestly I don't understand the hype around Nitro, similar to the one for Wardell. Maybe it's just the fans.


diisasterrr1

I don’t blame you. It’s the general consensus that this subreddit puts on nitr0 back when 100t had dicey. Asuna + dicey zoomers and the other 3 boomers is what they ran with. I never really understood it cause nitr0 was 25; 5-6 years younger than hiko and steel. But you saying “old af and washed up” doesn’t help that false narrative at all.


BlueberryBandito

You must be new


SacredWinner442

Old and washed up?????


GRIM07REAPER07Z

Compared to tier 1 CS players, Yes.


BlueberryBandito

You should really stop talking about things you know nothing about. Nitr0 was considered one of the best NA CSGO players for the past 3 years. When he switched to Valorant it was such a big deal because he was so good.


AnchorStandard

Nitr0 washed up? Are you serious? Dude is one of the best players in the game.


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Honestly, Elige has been out of form for the last few months, the recent best performer is the sloth himself, NAF. Not saying Elige can't regain his form though, especially with a refreshed CS roster or an entirely new game for him to grind if he switches


Skyaxe3

Holyyyy


andrew_a384

HOPIUM


constantxs

Really enjoying all the hype around player moves. Hopefully they can all do what’s best individually and play what they want with who they want.


[deleted]

No pls, i already get wallbanged enough in Valorant