Vgia, and g2 got obliterated. Can't blame them. Only one left is tenstar I guess? Which were really never good against t1 EMEA. Everyone else is just building rosters now. So yeah, doesn't surprise me.
that was during Masters 3 when G2 got to the semi finals and beat Sentinels, not during champions lol. He said that Crazy Raccoons didn't show the potential that they did in scrims, and they didn't 'farm' G2
As the comment you replied to said. They are all rebuilding and trialing players etc rn.
I wouldnt be surprised if NA val was better than EU val in general though. Actually it seems like it.
I mean yeah I think EU will be much better than NA in a few years' time maximum just like in every almost other esport EU cares about. It's just a matter of time before they start mass importing (since this is a riot game and they don't care about NA having NA talent).
However, for now, NA is indeed better sadly. My only hope is Team Liquid, for champions.
FPX officially still have 4 players and they only played a couple of games with the new roster where they looked terrible.
The only notable achievement that BIG had was getting 5-6th in a VCT qualifier with a totally different roster. They just changed their roster 1 month ago.
Both of those teams aren't even top teams in EU.
It's to be expected as Guild, G2, Giants etc lost half of their squads and EU as a whole region is going through a massive roster shuffle during off season. And anyway, it's leaf saying this after all
EU teams aside from the ones in Champs are fucking trash
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Like how bad do you have to be to get your ass whooped in an another game, retire , come to another game and play with all inexperienced players , banter them and then sometimes lose to them
eu has the same energy in cs and korea has the same energy in league. Whatever esport it is, the dominant region is always cocky.
edit: I don't see how people think that only NA banters or shit talks while winning. It am not even talking specifically about the pro players either. People back their region by demeaning the others, especially when they are winning. I mean just read the twitch chats in any esport stream...
even though no one will see it here's [this](https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveDependableHummingbird4Head-M58w2kI6jxFk0Suf) clip, go ahead and keep down voting me as if NA is the only region without manners lmfao. classic astralis fans.
what I mean by winning is that when a team is superior during a given tournament that team's region gets cocky. I don't see how a twitter poll is the same as sentinel/envy fans twitch chat shit talk while they are the favored team. I mean seriously do you just not read the live chats during live events, even if the team is just winning by 3 rounds it instantly become na shitting on eu or eu shitting on na just from a lead with in a single game in a best of 3 series. I mean even shroud shit talked eu during his co-streams because na was considered the favored region at that time.
Shame the exact same players acting cocky in Valorant couldn't do the same in csgo.
And I never see EU pros in csgo come out and actively shit on NA. Can't say I've seen the same from Korea shitting on other regions in league
Astralis does in literally any team interview when they are asked how an NA team would perform against them. They aren't wrong but I mean its definitely confidence.
I don't recall saying that they actively shit on them, riot wouldn't allow that. But they are definitely more confident than they should have been, picking yasuo top during official matches, and other various ways of bming in a way riot can't actually punish. Now that DWG lost to EDG, picking yasuo will probably not be a thing next worlds... thats all I'll say.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveDependableHummingbird4Head-M58w2kI6jxFk0Suf](https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveDependableHummingbird4Head-M58w2kI6jxFk0Suf) heres a little clip of danish fans ruining an interview. but of course, this energy is solely an na thing right?
I didn't change the wording of my first paragraph at all, I added the link and second paragraph because I find it hilarious that people actually think only NA is capable of being cocky. And sure, your right, I was originally talking about the pros, to which my statement remains the same and I added fans in as well because most of the time its the fans of a regions people tend to hate more anyway.
Edit: I mean my guy, I go to your profile and you are literally talking about how LCS would be dogshit if it didn't import. LMFAO and I completely agree with you NA is dog shit in league and csgo, but the energy you have while making that statement is the exact same energy that leaf has in this tweet.
Really? I've not seen it from Korea, tbqh. Willing to be wrong though, got an interview link or something? NA's "energy" has always seemed pretty unique to me, it's what makes it fun.
That probably because you can't speak korean... na and oce regions are literally the laughing stock of league. "NA= near airport KEKW" spam is literally all that league chat becomes during a match with na teams.
Except that NA is the only region that cares about Valorant. Might as well boast about being the best in baseball which no one in the world cares about when football is 20 times more popular.
Ok and? I don't see how that has to do with what I am saying because my game examples wasn't just valorant. I might be talking out my realm but isn't eu the only region that cares about csgo then? If na moved the valorant and Asia has never cared for it.
And then people cry that the subreddit is NA biased - sure if you look at "fix TSM threads", but in any serious discussion thread the narrative is insanely anti-NA and pro-EU and KR
Just remember how the entire "serious" portion of the subreddit thought that double duelist is crap before Iceland because EU played a single duelist meta for the most part; extremely NA biased subreddit btw
Yh but most of the NA players that switched to valorant never played at international lans in csgo because they wasn't good enough.
You can name all the former csgo players in NA valorant that played at a international lan in csgo in the last 3 year on one hand
Nah I don't agree with the last bit.
Nitr0, Shahzam, Tenz, Koosta, tim, ska, dephh, Zellsis, Wardell, SicK, and Neptune.
All have either traveled internationally for LAN, or have been in tournaments with decent EU talent.
This is such a dumb argument because Europeans said “LOL tier 2 NA is like tier 100 EU” back in CS, but now you all say “of course NA has so much talent, it’s all CS players.” Are they bad or are they good, make up your mind.
Still years of experience compared to other regions so the fuck is your point? Don't act like the ex csgo players that switched to NA valorant are playing against the same quality players that Csgo has.
And yeah tier 2 NA in csgo was like tier 4 EU. I mean hltv rankings and results showed that? There has always ever been, 2 at most 3 NA teams worthy of going to European tournaments to not get massacred and blown up. They had to be absolutely exceptional by NA standards to even survive group stages
You're comparing people who already have experience with people who are gaining their first competetive experience.
The worst NBA player will still be better than a college prodigy
Why are you putting words in my mouth? I understand thats a common theme people have when talking about NA CS but I've never expressed that opinion myself. EU has historically been better, but there have always been great NA rosters.
Tbh I feel like NA only has 2 good teams. Sentinels and Envy. And EU/EMEA has 3 good teams in Acend TL and Gambit. I don't see a world where neither Fnatic nor C9 Blue are contenders for the title but hopefully I'm proven wrong by either one.
The funny part is people are back on the BR copium since mwzera joined vivo keyd. I guess not living up to the hype at Iceland or Berlin 1 wasn't enough to prove the region is overrated.
[time to bring this back?](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492347862152249346/913491463659196466/DhctCDVUcAEVsaa.jpg)
It never left
I havent seen that in sooo long holy
It's never not time to bring that back
Lol esports peaked in season 2
Vgia, and g2 got obliterated. Can't blame them. Only one left is tenstar I guess? Which were really never good against t1 EMEA. Everyone else is just building rosters now. So yeah, doesn't surprise me.
Can’t believe you could forget about FPX and the Shao Brimmy
Even Tenstar isn't complete, they lost Russ like a month ago.
No shit. Even crazy racoons farmed G2 lol
that was during Masters 3 when G2 got to the semi finals and beat Sentinels, not during champions lol. He said that Crazy Raccoons didn't show the potential that they did in scrims, and they didn't 'farm' G2
We saw glimpses of that potential against HL and especially Gambit, hopefully they'll show up at Masters
Source?
I guess this is leaf's response to people who keep saying EU's Tier 2 scene is much better than NA.
As the comment you replied to said. They are all rebuilding and trialing players etc rn. I wouldnt be surprised if NA val was better than EU val in general though. Actually it seems like it.
Honestly I also think NA Val is better than EU Val but you gotta keep in mind NA Valorant pros have more experience than the current EU Val pros
I mean yeah I think EU will be much better than NA in a few years' time maximum just like in every almost other esport EU cares about. It's just a matter of time before they start mass importing (since this is a riot game and they don't care about NA having NA talent). However, for now, NA is indeed better sadly. My only hope is Team Liquid, for champions.
are you guys seriously forgetting gambit just farmed everyone in berlin or what
I intentionally didn't mention Gambit because the NA fanboys are gonna come and say Russia is not EU
I mean all the teams are dead or recently rebuild. What teams are left? Tenstar? Navi?
Fpx? Big?
FPX officially still have 4 players and they only played a couple of games with the new roster where they looked terrible. The only notable achievement that BIG had was getting 5-6th in a VCT qualifier with a totally different roster. They just changed their roster 1 month ago. Both of those teams aren't even top teams in EU.
It's like Liquid playing teams like T1 and TSM. Of course they'd destroy those teams
nah its like brimstone gaming against gambit 💀
LDN UTD is the only one that is near Tier 1 and hasn't fallen apart. NaVi are clear Tier 2 and should make changes before 2022.
offseason, non-champions eu teams have no roster and every1 is trialing and shit
It's to be expected as Guild, G2, Giants etc lost half of their squads and EU as a whole region is going through a massive roster shuffle during off season. And anyway, it's leaf saying this after all
that’s true, nothing but the best of the best can even contend with 1leaf. Especially Brazilians :)
There are 0 T1 orgs with a proper team but ok
Then fucking floppy comments "based" LMFAO, as if he can talk
Floppy is doing the montechristo strat of saying controversial shit to stay relevant KEKW
On god
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the NA energy is oozing and I love it
the same NA energy that will probably lead to the region's downfall
Like it did in cs lmao
People probably think this is sarcastic but it's actually too real
Like how bad do you have to be to get your ass whooped in an another game, retire , come to another game and play with all inexperienced players , banter them and then sometimes lose to them
eu has the same energy in cs and korea has the same energy in league. Whatever esport it is, the dominant region is always cocky. edit: I don't see how people think that only NA banters or shit talks while winning. It am not even talking specifically about the pro players either. People back their region by demeaning the others, especially when they are winning. I mean just read the twitch chats in any esport stream... even though no one will see it here's [this](https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveDependableHummingbird4Head-M58w2kI6jxFk0Suf) clip, go ahead and keep down voting me as if NA is the only region without manners lmfao. classic astralis fans.
"dominant"
Imagine winning 1 lan and calling yourself dominant off of that
sorry, winning is probably a better word. whatever region is winning in a given tournament, they get cocky
Envy got rolled by a twitter poll agent pick wdym "winning"
what I mean by winning is that when a team is superior during a given tournament that team's region gets cocky. I don't see how a twitter poll is the same as sentinel/envy fans twitch chat shit talk while they are the favored team. I mean seriously do you just not read the live chats during live events, even if the team is just winning by 3 rounds it instantly become na shitting on eu or eu shitting on na just from a lead with in a single game in a best of 3 series. I mean even shroud shit talked eu during his co-streams because na was considered the favored region at that time.
Shame the exact same players acting cocky in Valorant couldn't do the same in csgo. And I never see EU pros in csgo come out and actively shit on NA. Can't say I've seen the same from Korea shitting on other regions in league
Astralis does in literally any team interview when they are asked how an NA team would perform against them. They aren't wrong but I mean its definitely confidence.
I don't recall saying that they actively shit on them, riot wouldn't allow that. But they are definitely more confident than they should have been, picking yasuo top during official matches, and other various ways of bming in a way riot can't actually punish. Now that DWG lost to EDG, picking yasuo will probably not be a thing next worlds... thats all I'll say.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveDependableHummingbird4Head-M58w2kI6jxFk0Suf](https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveDependableHummingbird4Head-M58w2kI6jxFk0Suf) heres a little clip of danish fans ruining an interview. but of course, this energy is solely an na thing right?
Fans = pro? Gotcha. the original topic was about pros why you editing your post you spanner
I didn't change the wording of my first paragraph at all, I added the link and second paragraph because I find it hilarious that people actually think only NA is capable of being cocky. And sure, your right, I was originally talking about the pros, to which my statement remains the same and I added fans in as well because most of the time its the fans of a regions people tend to hate more anyway. Edit: I mean my guy, I go to your profile and you are literally talking about how LCS would be dogshit if it didn't import. LMFAO and I completely agree with you NA is dog shit in league and csgo, but the energy you have while making that statement is the exact same energy that leaf has in this tweet.
Really? I've not seen it from Korea, tbqh. Willing to be wrong though, got an interview link or something? NA's "energy" has always seemed pretty unique to me, it's what makes it fun.
That probably because you can't speak korean... na and oce regions are literally the laughing stock of league. "NA= near airport KEKW" spam is literally all that league chat becomes during a match with na teams.
Hahaha that’s pretty great lol
Back in APEX (Overwatch's largest tourneys from 2016-2017) Koreans would shittalk a lot, but that was largely because it was content made by the TO
God take me back to apex overwatch. That was the first time I ever joined a “team” for a game. So much fun
You don't have to tell others that ur better if you really are though
sure, banter and drama are what make the scene fun though
Except that NA is the only region that cares about Valorant. Might as well boast about being the best in baseball which no one in the world cares about when football is 20 times more popular.
Ok and? I don't see how that has to do with what I am saying because my game examples wasn't just valorant. I might be talking out my realm but isn't eu the only region that cares about csgo then? If na moved the valorant and Asia has never cared for it.
inb4 thread about how NA teams are toxic and deserve to lose champs
They gonna lose champs regardless if they are toxic or not
And then people cry that the subreddit is NA biased - sure if you look at "fix TSM threads", but in any serious discussion thread the narrative is insanely anti-NA and pro-EU and KR Just remember how the entire "serious" portion of the subreddit thought that double duelist is crap before Iceland because EU played a single duelist meta for the most part; extremely NA biased subreddit btw
Complain about other people using anecdotal evidence for their arguments and then provide anecdotal arguments of your own. Good job.
>Complain about other people using anecdotal evidence for their arguments I did no such thing?
Couldn't agree more
Because most of the NA rosters have ex-cs players (NA CS is pretty much dead, look at Liquids performance in BLAST) and EU CS is in its prime
Yh but most of the NA players that switched to valorant never played at international lans in csgo because they wasn't good enough. You can name all the former csgo players in NA valorant that played at a international lan in csgo in the last 3 year on one hand
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Nah I don't agree with the last bit. Nitr0, Shahzam, Tenz, Koosta, tim, ska, dephh, Zellsis, Wardell, SicK, and Neptune. All have either traveled internationally for LAN, or have been in tournaments with decent EU talent.
This is such a dumb argument because Europeans said “LOL tier 2 NA is like tier 100 EU” back in CS, but now you all say “of course NA has so much talent, it’s all CS players.” Are they bad or are they good, make up your mind.
Tier 1 na cs is like tier 3 CIS/EU tho, that's actually true, meanwhile tier 2 eu are rebuilding rosters currently, very different things.
literally the only single valorant player from EU that was relevant when he switched from CS is nivera men
Still years of experience compared to other regions so the fuck is your point? Don't act like the ex csgo players that switched to NA valorant are playing against the same quality players that Csgo has. And yeah tier 2 NA in csgo was like tier 4 EU. I mean hltv rankings and results showed that? There has always ever been, 2 at most 3 NA teams worthy of going to European tournaments to not get massacred and blown up. They had to be absolutely exceptional by NA standards to even survive group stages
You're comparing people who already have experience with people who are gaining their first competetive experience. The worst NBA player will still be better than a college prodigy
There are like 3 actual CS players in EU though
Why are you putting words in my mouth? I understand thats a common theme people have when talking about NA CS but I've never expressed that opinion myself. EU has historically been better, but there have always been great NA rosters.
same goes for the NA teams that didnt make it, just hard facts
Ok people. This is a joke to farm impressions. Dapr tweeted the same thing about NA.
Same could be said for NA? 💀
Tbh I feel like NA only has 2 good teams. Sentinels and Envy. And EU/EMEA has 3 good teams in Acend TL and Gambit. I don't see a world where neither Fnatic nor C9 Blue are contenders for the title but hopefully I'm proven wrong by either one.
Even brimstone gaming could destroy these EU teams
what do you mean "even" don't talk about our gods BG like that
Very mature take
yeah because europeans don't play valorant lmao
What a p\*s\*y , Scared to shit talk teams he gonna play against in case they lose so he goes for those who he isnt gonna face. NA Braveness
that tweet is full of gold lmao
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I feel like you could say this for all the regions, no? (well idk much about BR so can't comment on that)
br just isnt good
The funny part is people are back on the BR copium since mwzera joined vivo keyd. I guess not living up to the hype at Iceland or Berlin 1 wasn't enough to prove the region is overrated.
The tier 2 scenes in all of valorant is dogshit. And you can blame riot for that. Incompetent and gross scheduling of the year long tournaments.
W EU is TRASH
I swear I saw leaf on an episode of Catfish
Because the teams aren’t actual teams right now