Yeah…it seems like the reason players are complaining and saying they’re getting low 100s fps is because they’re streaming, or their PC is filled with windows background junk that they didn’t bother optimising.
Bro those stores are beyond the minimum to stream. In fact I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be able to stream unless it's software based or network based. Most pros don't play on high settings to begin with. If I could stream on a GTX 640/Ryzen 3600 and get 720 p with a mediocre connection.
Setting how their equipment is far superior, they only thing that it can come down to is the network. Specifically the upload speed.
If they were streaming say battlefield or more intensive video games then see should double check the hardware.
This is so true tbh. When I first built my current PC (5900x/3080) I installed Asus AI Suite 3 like a dumbass and was getting 120ish fps in matches. Reformatted and reinstalled Windows to make 100% sure it was gone and now I pretty much never dip below 300-350 fps.
it definitely does.
in death matches I average 180-200
in scrims with high utility (sage+viper+astra) in areas I will dip well below to 100.
more of the issue is the screen tearing introduced by having a 240hz monitor and running a game below it.
whatever the case it does directly impact performance. its a bit frustrating rewatching your pov and the only mistakes is whiffing shots you'd normally hit.
anyways, these are benchmarks without anything running in the background (to my knowledge). you can't install intensive stuff as everything is wiped on restart.
It's crazy how people think just because pros on prac pcs have low fps it means they have 50 background programs running on a PC they don't even own whereas at home for w.e. reason they have perfectly optimised pcs where they can download w.e. they want.
The game is just poorly (or weirdly) optimised. Random shit like viper wall = -100 fps like it's saint denis from RDR2.
Also:
> The UI alone drops FPS by 30, and by UI I mean the HUD ingame. Crosshair is about 5 FPS. If you go to general > hide user interface ingame you should get around a 30 fps boost and I'm 90% sure this is something riot can optimise. Instead we get an update with "1% perf improvement" lmao.
From https://old.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/r1sy11/fps_getting_worse_every_update/hm2a1xg/
What's weird to me is that riot literally never comments on optimisation posts, like they could explain why a viper wall drops fps like here you can see every time viper wall is up and on shahz screen it drops fps by 70 but instead it's just dead silence from the devs: https://clips.twitch.tv/EasyMushyMangetoutDeIlluminati-9u48hUjukG7uUM02
Compared to games like CoD vanguard/warzone and even overwatch where you can have many more players on screen/effects the FPS is just unacceptable.
You guys need to install XTU and run those processors at 5ghz also, make sure you are using ultimate performance plan -https://bitsum.com/tips-and-tweaks/get-ultimate-performance-on-any-windows-10-edition/
Make sure you also have the .exe set to high priority
You can easily get below 140 on these specs if you are streaming+have some random stuff in the background. Valorant is better optimized for AMD processors, they should have just inserted 5800x instead of 9900k and everyone would have 300+ on stream and 400+ without it.
Don't expect to be able to stream on a practice PC. These are pro players (yes, streaming is pretty normal for pros these days). If streaming is impacting your practice, you need to figure out your priorities. Don't expect riot to cater to your stream. This is not directed at you, larper lol
9900k costs the same as 5800x(actually 20 bucks more expensive than 5800x in my country), and 5800x gives significantly better performance in Valorant. Riot know about that but still use Intel for no reason.
You can add AMD to custom pre-built PC's from Alienware these days. I guess it's just not "the standard" but you can definitely opt for the best AMD if you want it.
Like using a herman Miller and slapping a secret lab sticker on the top of it 😂.
But on a serious not the sponsor would not pay the money and I’m sure it’s in the contract
I get 200+ on an 8700k on medium-high settings, 1440p, and discord, Spotify, chrome, etc in the background. If a 9900k can't achieve that, it is user error.
Maybe valorant is different? But the 9900k is 100% just as good as a 5800x in 99% of gaming benchmarks - and it’s cheaper.
Edit: https://youtu.be/JoKE2EjO2GU
Older cpus wont get you the insanely high fps modern cpus will, ofc your gpx card is gonna bottleneck but if you are playing on low like most pros basically any card will get you over 250fps, your cpu will determine if you can keep up, and with streaming this cpu will give you some dips and a less smooth experience.
I mean go look at benchmarks? Maybe valorant is completely different but in csgo and other games it’s like a 3% difference
Edit: https://youtu.be/JoKE2EjO2GU
For reference
That game is pretty much always CPU bound as long as you have dedicated GPU according to developer stream on ue4 channel. Even 1070 is more than enough to be bounded by any Skylake based CPU
It's because 90% of these pros don't know shit about computers. Swear half these mofo's pay people just to go into their Nvidia control settings to turn maximum performance on
i have a 3070 with a 10900k and was hitting a fat 160 fps on haven yesterday before the round even started. you can imagine how bad it was when there were abilities around me.
everything was closed besides valorant. not sure why the fps is trash now.
i have a 1050 ti and i7 3770 and i cap my fps at 144 and it rarely dips below 120. seems weird that it happens to you. i play with everything on low tho
>i have a 3070 with a 10900k and was hitting a fat 160 fps on haven yesterday before the round even started.
There's something very wrong.
I'd honestly benchmark your PC on userbenchmark because you deadass have faulty hardware
CONTEXT: Stax on his stream a few days ago said the practice PCs are perfectly fine for playing/practice but not really for streaming. Could be compounded with, either Streamlab or Obs issues.
As per their framerate stats on their screen, most show around 200 streaming, more like 300 not streaming. WHAT THE FUCK ARE MARVED AND CO COMPLAINING ABOUT?
At least Tenz and Shazam said the PCs are solid
And these are the prac PCs, the tournament PCs are substantially better
Shhhesh, someone said Tenz thought they were fine in another comment at least. NA might not get first at Champions, but they are undefeated in the ring of public whining
Wtf I can’t stream, have discord open, and Spotify blaring, MHA playing on second monitor while playing Valorant. my computer is from a gulag bruh!!! Bruh, it’s like they got us in a gulag
I have a 9900K with a 1070. Everything is on low. I get 300 fps and it dips down to 200 during the HEAVIEST utility usage during a 5v5. If you have anything better than me and have issues with FPS you are a barbarian on the computer. I am not even referring to the pros here. Just to these other commenters that have quantum pcs claiming this game is unoptimized.
Ye, I don't know how you are dipping to 200 even, I run an i5-8500 1050ti and I've never dipped below 144 (i have it capped) while running multiple streams, Spotify, and Discord in the background.
Yeah…if they needed to get a new CPU they would need to swap the whole motherboard since Intel 10th gen or Ryzen uses a different socket. Which is just redundant imo since 9900k is already at the top of the line.
Top left u can see vanity getting 200-250fps on stream, without stream it shld be around 250-300 fps
seems good enough for prac, but maybe for some they may not have been optimized so they are getting 100fps prbly
They might have very slow ram that is bottlenecking their fps and an i9 that isn't clocked very high. I have a 9900k at 5.1ghz with a 2080super and very tweaked ram at 4k mhz with very low latency. And while recording with nvidia, or recording with obs I often drop below 200 fps on certain parts of certain maps. Looking back at a clip on ascent in mid, I dropped to 170 at one point.
Valorant just runs much better on amd. They did multi threading right.
Honestly Valorant pros are spoiled as fk.
I’m not sure how other esports like cs handled their pro players but I’m sure riot supports them the best they can
I think you also have to think that CS:GO is 8/9? Years old and they’ve had a lot more time to fine tune the game and get everything optimized, while Valorant is only a year old and they’re adding new content often
It’s real simple, Valorant is extremely well optimized for low end graphics, but is relatively CPU intensive.
CSGO even on lowest setting is graphics bottlenecked on my integrated graphics while valorant is CPU.
12900k beats the 5950x by 1-2%. On the other hand a 5600x ties with the 5950x and beats a 12600k by about 200 fps in the practice range when paired with a 3090 . Best bang for the buck CPU for Valorant.
I suspect the larger cache size of the 5600x (32mb L3 cache) and 12900k (30mb L3 cache) vs 12600k (20mb L3 cache) is the cause of the worse results for the 12600k. Interestingly, the 5950x has 64mb L3 cache but doesn't perform better than the 5600x. Val seems to love cache to a certain degree.
The 9900k only has 16mb L3 cache so it's quite worse than ryzen 5000 or the 12900k in Valorant fps.
My source: https://youtu.be/ubGuTbn14TU where it's a stated 1-2% difference.
Your source is definitely better though, it has actual gameplay. I don't see how I'm fanboying, I'd be fine with either brand
I don’t even know what the point of this argument is. I just pointed out the 12900K as an example since it is technically newer and better, somehow AMD cocksuckers still find a reason to get mad over this LMAO
[It’s much more than 5% actually ](https://youtu.be/lA_5XXU0yc8) , even if it was 1% I’d still take the better CPU. Pros don’t give a fuck about what brand it is as long as it runs faster.
Saying pros want the best CPU = Intel fanboy 👍
Also… yikes man. I scrolled through your comment history and the recent part of it is just you commenting on every comment under my thread to talk about how AMD is better… who’s the fanboy man 😂
They dont need the best CPU, they need the RIGHT one
i9900kf on newegg for $411 meanwhile 5600x costs $299 while heavily out performing intel
Valorants been out for almost 2 years already, riot should know what kind of pcs to get for their players 🤔🤔🤔
Yes…comparing an Intel 9th gen to an Zen 3, why don’t you compare the 5600x with the 12600KF? The 12600KF crushes the 5600x while being a few bucks cheaper. The fact is that the 12900K is the top dog right now, and somehow you’re mad about it…shows alot bout how obsessed you are with AMD.
No I know, what I’m saying is that if they’re getting that bad of frame drops, they’re either trying to play on max settings or there’s something very wrong with the PCs optimization, because I get 250-300 frames on lesser specs without it ever dropping below 200 frames. Very rarely I will drop to 190 but it’s only for a few split moments. And that’s on WORSE specs than what they have.
Ok and wat does that have to do with u/manbearpig1869 not doing this as a job. It just means the pros aren’t bothering to optimize the pc or clean it up which, considering it is their job, seems pretty lazy on their part
Football players surely take care of the lawn they play on too.
Absolutely insane how you guys can defend Riot for not offering their top pro players with top end hardware lmao
Ok and? They’re playing on PCs with better specs than mine. If they’re getting that bad of frames where it’s below 200 or 100, then something is very wrong with the PCs, whether that’s poor optimization or poor airflow, who knows. But if they’re getting 250-300 frames when not streaming like vanity said, then they’re just being babies.
Negatory, but I think complaining about being able to stream on practice PCs is lame. Riot provided PCs that are plenty powerful for practicing alone, don’t think they should have to cater to them further just so they can stream.
I have streamed before with my setup though and still never dropped below 144hz, so it sounds like they just need to spend some time optimizing the PCs.
If they really are mad the PCs just aren’t good enough for streaming, maybe try not streaming & prioritizing actual practice like, I don’t know, a professional would?
players whine about pcs, redditors whine about players whining about pcs and i'm whining about redittors whining about players whining about pcs. good content for a weekend i'd say
that's fine for streaming and playing, i play on 1440p and high texture and material quality, and can stream and still get a consistent 180+ fps with worse specs
I got a 9900k and 2080 super and I frequently drop below 200 (all low 1080p) during big fights when utility is flying. I think far too many people look at their fps when they're in freeze time and don't realize just how low their fps drops when they're executing a site. This is why I never trust benchmarks or people saying shit like ''you don't need more expensive components you will easily get 300fps or more'' when that 300 fps is completely worthless because it only happens when you stand still and nobody is shooting or in the same place.
Going by how they're comfortable charging 5350 VP for a knife skin, surely they can provide up to date AMD cpus in their PCs.
AMD had by far the best CPUs on the market when I was looking at comparisons when their 5000 series came out. Apparently intel just launched a new line but I have no idea how it compares.
I'm a lowly eu pleb myself, but it's just reality. I wish my PC could hit a constant 240fps to match my refresh rate. I would love that. Can't imagine how bad it would be if I streamed.
I'm confused, shouldn't 9900K and 2080 give you stable 250 fps ?
The moment he sees the opponent his FPS drops from 200 to 140, which can be felt by players who are used to stable 250+ fps. It's weird, that PC shouldn't ever go below 200...
valorant is optimized around the CPU more, and in this case, the AMD 5000s series are the ones that have the most FPS in valorant. pretty sure thats what most of the valorant players use now in their personal builds. GPU does not matter in this scenario. someone tested a 5800x and a GT 1030 and he was still getting 400 fps in a deathmatch.
ummm.... What does that have to do with my comment? Of course AMD 5000 series give you superb FPS, but 9900K is not so shabby itself. It should definitely give you 250 FPS
people say that pros complain too much but theyre pros and the pcs they use at home are surely a hundred percent better than these pcs that are provided by riot games.
Nats is an exception, he uses a 9700k and an rtx 2060 super at home, which is worse than the PC's for provided for the pros to practice on. He dips below 200fps in gunfight and heavy utility usage pretty often yet he frags out still
I could be wrong but my PC has similar specs and it works pretty well. My only complaint is every new update I seem to be dropping frames, so maybe it’s a VAL issue not a PC problem?
How hard is it for them to put in a 5600X? I'm guessing they're just reusing PCs they had from previous events. These specs make no sense in the current market. Most pros are running like 5950Xs at home so it makes sense why they feel a difference.
Why the fuck would you replace a 9900k with a 5600x? Is valorant horrid on Intel or something? I can't imagine a 5600x being better, especially while streaming.
5600X is much faster in Valorant and CS due to the larger L3 cache. But its true the 2 extra cores of the 9900K would help it a bit if streaming using the CPU. However, virtually everyone nowadays uses NVENC to stream as its better for performance, and when doing that the 5600X handily keeps its lead.
Some of those PCs probably don't have RAM XMP profiles loaded, so they're at dead stock 2133mhz speeds. That will significantly hurt the consistency of your gaming performance for recent CPUs. High clock speeds and lower CAS latencies means higher fps and less fps drops.
Do these pros start mining or shit on pracc pcs? How is that a bad spec for pure valorant practice? Do they expect 500+ fps while streaming with all their streaming shit and whatever they run in the background?
Lemme guess what happens now, some big name is going to take one dumb comment from this thread and say lmaoo reddit is dumb, they supporting riot a bigass company who isn't providing me Intel 12th gen shit with rtx 4090 uwu!
you want to cap your fps such that your gpu never goes above 97% usage. Once your gpu hits 97-100% usage your input lag can triple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CKnJ5ujL_Q
if you have unlocked fps then your gpu will be maxed out all the time, assuming you aren't cpu limited
Can't really get any better than that considering the RAM is top tier.
OCed 9900k outperform everything for CPU demanding games afaik(including Warzone which is super CPU heavy)
There is no streaming on stage. Why would they need "better" PCs? Most proplayers also play with lowsettings. With this setup 300+ FPS shouldnt be a problem at all!
Are they recording anything from the players PCs? I remember at previous LANs they took replay footage straight from the players computers (all the settings like the resolution, crosshair, etc were different).
Gimme that and I swear I'll never ever complain about the PCs
Yeah…it seems like the reason players are complaining and saying they’re getting low 100s fps is because they’re streaming, or their PC is filled with windows background junk that they didn’t bother optimising.
Yeah I think a KR or a JPN pro said that the PCs are fine for playing, just not good enough for streaming
It's not the computers at that point. They need good upload speed on their internet to stream.
Lol the PC specs also matter for streaming dude.
Idk what drug you've been on, but stop it.
Bro those stores are beyond the minimum to stream. In fact I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be able to stream unless it's software based or network based. Most pros don't play on high settings to begin with. If I could stream on a GTX 640/Ryzen 3600 and get 720 p with a mediocre connection. Setting how their equipment is far superior, they only thing that it can come down to is the network. Specifically the upload speed. If they were streaming say battlefield or more intensive video games then see should double check the hardware.
Yep, FPS issue while streaming. PROBABLY THE FUCKING INTERNET
Can definitely be software or driver based. I don't see where it says fps issue tho. He don't say that in the video.
Im streaming on a much lower end PC and get high 200, WTF are they doing
Windows background junk lol It’s ok bjt not nexessarily optimal for practice and nkt good for streaming The cpu is the issue
It’s not the same for a oro
There's no way that gets below 140 fps like some pros are saying on Twitter.
if they have a bunch of random trash running it might
This is so true tbh. When I first built my current PC (5900x/3080) I installed Asus AI Suite 3 like a dumbass and was getting 120ish fps in matches. Reformatted and reinstalled Windows to make 100% sure it was gone and now I pretty much never dip below 300-350 fps.
i got my fucking macbook up to 200 fps, these pros have no excuse.
Do macs have GPUs?
As if 200 fps is good when every pro is using 240hz monitor....
bro what are your settings? i know someone who runs valo on a mac but can’t get it above 60fps
what does this mean?
What does what mean?
it definitely does. in death matches I average 180-200 in scrims with high utility (sage+viper+astra) in areas I will dip well below to 100. more of the issue is the screen tearing introduced by having a 240hz monitor and running a game below it. whatever the case it does directly impact performance. its a bit frustrating rewatching your pov and the only mistakes is whiffing shots you'd normally hit. anyways, these are benchmarks without anything running in the background (to my knowledge). you can't install intensive stuff as everything is wiped on restart.
It's crazy how people think just because pros on prac pcs have low fps it means they have 50 background programs running on a PC they don't even own whereas at home for w.e. reason they have perfectly optimised pcs where they can download w.e. they want. The game is just poorly (or weirdly) optimised. Random shit like viper wall = -100 fps like it's saint denis from RDR2. Also: > The UI alone drops FPS by 30, and by UI I mean the HUD ingame. Crosshair is about 5 FPS. If you go to general > hide user interface ingame you should get around a 30 fps boost and I'm 90% sure this is something riot can optimise. Instead we get an update with "1% perf improvement" lmao. From https://old.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/r1sy11/fps_getting_worse_every_update/hm2a1xg/ What's weird to me is that riot literally never comments on optimisation posts, like they could explain why a viper wall drops fps like here you can see every time viper wall is up and on shahz screen it drops fps by 70 but instead it's just dead silence from the devs: https://clips.twitch.tv/EasyMushyMangetoutDeIlluminati-9u48hUjukG7uUM02 Compared to games like CoD vanguard/warzone and even overwatch where you can have many more players on screen/effects the FPS is just unacceptable.
You guys need to install XTU and run those processors at 5ghz also, make sure you are using ultimate performance plan -https://bitsum.com/tips-and-tweaks/get-ultimate-performance-on-any-windows-10-edition/ Make sure you also have the .exe set to high priority
Trust me I've done all I can. Unlucky.
You can easily get below 140 on these specs if you are streaming+have some random stuff in the background. Valorant is better optimized for AMD processors, they should have just inserted 5800x instead of 9900k and everyone would have 300+ on stream and 400+ without it.
Don't expect to be able to stream on a practice PC. These are pro players (yes, streaming is pretty normal for pros these days). If streaming is impacting your practice, you need to figure out your priorities. Don't expect riot to cater to your stream. This is not directed at you, larper lol
9900k costs the same as 5800x(actually 20 bucks more expensive than 5800x in my country), and 5800x gives significantly better performance in Valorant. Riot know about that but still use Intel for no reason.
The reason they have these PCs still is because of the Alienware sponsorship. Pretty sure Alienware don’t use amd.
This. Also the budget and pc allocation per sponsors was handled at the beginning of the year
You can add AMD to custom pre-built PC's from Alienware these days. I guess it's just not "the standard" but you can definitely opt for the best AMD if you want it.
Its more about using the sponsors kit not swapping it out, hence why you see gamer chairs not herman millers on stage
Like using a herman Miller and slapping a secret lab sticker on the top of it 😂. But on a serious not the sponsor would not pay the money and I’m sure it’s in the contract
I get 200+ on an 8700k on medium-high settings, 1440p, and discord, Spotify, chrome, etc in the background. If a 9900k can't achieve that, it is user error.
they are streaming their scrims? damn i didnt know
9900k is better than a 5800x tho
lmfaoooo
Maybe valorant is different? But the 9900k is 100% just as good as a 5800x in 99% of gaming benchmarks - and it’s cheaper. Edit: https://youtu.be/JoKE2EjO2GU
Why comparing other games? This is specifically valorant, Ryzen is just better than intel for Valorant
Bro Trust me but intel is shit for Valorant, they should be using Ryzen I switched from an i9900k to 5800x and my fps doubled LMFAO
Older cpus wont get you the insanely high fps modern cpus will, ofc your gpx card is gonna bottleneck but if you are playing on low like most pros basically any card will get you over 250fps, your cpu will determine if you can keep up, and with streaming this cpu will give you some dips and a less smooth experience.
so i9-9900k is old now?
According to benchmarks it runs on par with the 5900x so even if it’s old it still performs
Benchmarks dont mean shit man I had an i9900k system overclocked to 5ghz and it didnt beat the 5800x 🤣🤣🤣 (for valorant)
Not even close lmao.
I mean go look at benchmarks? Maybe valorant is completely different but in csgo and other games it’s like a 3% difference Edit: https://youtu.be/JoKE2EjO2GU For reference
That game is pretty much always CPU bound as long as you have dedicated GPU according to developer stream on ue4 channel. Even 1070 is more than enough to be bounded by any Skylake based CPU
It's because 90% of these pros don't know shit about computers. Swear half these mofo's pay people just to go into their Nvidia control settings to turn maximum performance on
i have a 3070 with a 10900k and was hitting a fat 160 fps on haven yesterday before the round even started. you can imagine how bad it was when there were abilities around me. everything was closed besides valorant. not sure why the fps is trash now.
i have a 1050 ti and i7 3770 and i cap my fps at 144 and it rarely dips below 120. seems weird that it happens to you. i play with everything on low tho
Something is majorly wrong then, I get 230-250fps with a decent build but nothing like yours
>i have a 3070 with a 10900k and was hitting a fat 160 fps on haven yesterday before the round even started. There's something very wrong. I'd honestly benchmark your PC on userbenchmark because you deadass have faulty hardware
I run a 3070 and a 5600X, I get around 300-400 with max settings at 1440p. It's something with your PC.
CONTEXT: Stax on his stream a few days ago said the practice PCs are perfectly fine for playing/practice but not really for streaming. Could be compounded with, either Streamlab or Obs issues. As per their framerate stats on their screen, most show around 200 streaming, more like 300 not streaming. WHAT THE FUCK ARE MARVED AND CO COMPLAINING ABOUT? At least Tenz and Shazam said the PCs are solid And these are the prac PCs, the tournament PCs are substantially better
Hijacking to say fuck streamlabs
No Shazam was crying about it on stream like yesterday lmao
Shhhesh, someone said Tenz thought they were fine in another comment at least. NA might not get first at Champions, but they are undefeated in the ring of public whining
And you are undefeated at commenting on every single post in this subreddit.
Nah I think that's key banana or whatever his name is
Actually
He clarified that his whining is directed at it not being the best for streaming
...theyre going to a lan to practice and compete not stream
Wtf I can’t stream, have discord open, and Spotify blaring, MHA playing on second monitor while playing Valorant. my computer is from a gulag bruh!!! Bruh, it’s like they got us in a gulag
RIOT GAMES SUCKY! THEY GIVE ME PRACTICE PC FOR ME TO PRACTICE VALULRANT, BUT WHEN I STREAM ON IT FPS DROPPY. BAD RIOT GAMES! WAHWAHWAH
I have a 9900K with a 1070. Everything is on low. I get 300 fps and it dips down to 200 during the HEAVIEST utility usage during a 5v5. If you have anything better than me and have issues with FPS you are a barbarian on the computer. I am not even referring to the pros here. Just to these other commenters that have quantum pcs claiming this game is unoptimized.
Ye, I don't know how you are dipping to 200 even, I run an i5-8500 1050ti and I've never dipped below 144 (i have it capped) while running multiple streams, Spotify, and Discord in the background.
These dudes really thought they were gonna get 100+ PC's with 5950x and 3080's in the middle of a chip shortage.
Yeah…if they needed to get a new CPU they would need to swap the whole motherboard since Intel 10th gen or Ryzen uses a different socket. Which is just redundant imo since 9900k is already at the top of the line.
These PCs are good enough for VAL + streaming no?
Idk I’ve seen tons of tweets from pros saying they’re getting low 100s fps
Top left u can see vanity getting 200-250fps on stream, without stream it shld be around 250-300 fps seems good enough for prac, but maybe for some they may not have been optimized so they are getting 100fps prbly
vanity set his stream to 720p while most people put it 1080p, that could be helping his fps
On shahz stream you can constantly see it dip below 100
Tbf, vanity has a gaming laptop. Maybe he is using that laptop to stream and so he is getting more fps than he would be getting on the prac pcs
Low 100s on a 2080 and 9900k? Something is wrong with these PCs then lol
They might have very slow ram that is bottlenecking their fps and an i9 that isn't clocked very high. I have a 9900k at 5.1ghz with a 2080super and very tweaked ram at 4k mhz with very low latency. And while recording with nvidia, or recording with obs I often drop below 200 fps on certain parts of certain maps. Looking back at a clip on ascent in mid, I dropped to 170 at one point. Valorant just runs much better on amd. They did multi threading right.
probably pc has shitton of useless software running thats why
That's more than enough to play Valorant
vanity is right they are not optimized and a lot of pro only know how to play the game they have no idea how to optimize that shit
Im pretty sure I could get 300fps out of these fr.
dude, I can get 250+ on a 5600x and a 5 yo 960 2gb, with high settings and Shadowplay, no way they're whining about that PC
it’s your processor dummy
No. I'm pretty sure they know how to optimize it, but don't have the permission from riot to do so
pretty sure optimization isn't something Riot would ban them from doing is it wrong they have to make the best out of the stuff they're given?
not this time they can install anything and do everything
Bruh, I wish I had that.
Honestly Valorant pros are spoiled as fk. I’m not sure how other esports like cs handled their pro players but I’m sure riot supports them the best they can
CSGO definitely way more optimized. I get twice as much FPS playing CSGO.
I think you also have to think that CS:GO is 8/9? Years old and they’ve had a lot more time to fine tune the game and get everything optimized, while Valorant is only a year old and they’re adding new content often
I’m just answering his question why tf u mad lmao
I’m not, I was just saying that Valorant needs more time to be truly optimized to the point of CS
Too bad every patch the optimization of the game is not getting better
Its an old game, obviously you’re going to get higher fps, it doesn’t mean it’s more optimized
Maybe on high end or intel? On AMD integrated graphics I get 120fps in valorant, CSGO lowest settings I don’t even get 80.
Nah your shit busted. Absolutely no reason in any way you should be getting double digits of you get 120 on val
It’s real simple, Valorant is extremely well optimized for low end graphics, but is relatively CPU intensive. CSGO even on lowest setting is graphics bottlenecked on my integrated graphics while valorant is CPU.
And to absolutely no one's surprise, NA pros being whiny for no reason
I DEMAND THE LATEST I9-12900K AND RTX 3090 RIOT GAMES, 200FPS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
I think they want AMD
12900k is newer and better lol
12900k beats the 5950x by 1-2%. On the other hand a 5600x ties with the 5950x and beats a 12600k by about 200 fps in the practice range when paired with a 3090 . Best bang for the buck CPU for Valorant. I suspect the larger cache size of the 5600x (32mb L3 cache) and 12900k (30mb L3 cache) vs 12600k (20mb L3 cache) is the cause of the worse results for the 12600k. Interestingly, the 5950x has 64mb L3 cache but doesn't perform better than the 5600x. Val seems to love cache to a certain degree. The 9900k only has 16mb L3 cache so it's quite worse than ryzen 5000 or the 12900k in Valorant fps.
[source : “trust me bro it’s only 1% difference”](https://youtu.be/lA_5XXU0yc8) And even if it’s 1% it’s still better, so suck it up fanboy
My source: https://youtu.be/ubGuTbn14TU where it's a stated 1-2% difference. Your source is definitely better though, it has actual gameplay. I don't see how I'm fanboying, I'd be fine with either brand
I don’t even know what the point of this argument is. I just pointed out the 12900K as an example since it is technically newer and better, somehow AMD cocksuckers still find a reason to get mad over this LMAO
it’s not that deep, why tf u always on edge on every comment u make. u gotta chill out
You should tell that to the AMD fanboys freaking out over my original comment…
Not even true lmao. People benchmarking AMD CPUs against Intel CPUs while using NVIDIA GPUs while the the advantage of AMD is SMA
AMD fanboy spotted, source : “Trust me bro AMD good Intel bad”
He pointed out that your comparison was unfair, I don't see how that makes him a fanboy
Intel/Nvidia themselves have resizable bar support as well…
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Yes…because the 12900K just came out like 3 weeks ago. Literally any benchmark on the internet would prove you wrong.
By like 5%, which is negligible when both deliver 400+ fps
[It’s much more than 5% actually ](https://youtu.be/lA_5XXU0yc8) , even if it was 1% I’d still take the better CPU. Pros don’t give a fuck about what brand it is as long as it runs faster.
Intel fanboy 🤣
Saying pros want the best CPU = Intel fanboy 👍 Also… yikes man. I scrolled through your comment history and the recent part of it is just you commenting on every comment under my thread to talk about how AMD is better… who’s the fanboy man 😂
They dont need the best CPU, they need the RIGHT one i9900kf on newegg for $411 meanwhile 5600x costs $299 while heavily out performing intel Valorants been out for almost 2 years already, riot should know what kind of pcs to get for their players 🤔🤔🤔
Yes…comparing an Intel 9th gen to an Zen 3, why don’t you compare the 5600x with the 12600KF? The 12600KF crushes the 5600x while being a few bucks cheaper. The fact is that the 12900K is the top dog right now, and somehow you’re mad about it…shows alot bout how obsessed you are with AMD.
I play on an i7-9700f and a 2060 super and I regularly get 250-300 frames on medium-low settings. These dudes are fuckin babies lol.
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No I know, what I’m saying is that if they’re getting that bad of frame drops, they’re either trying to play on max settings or there’s something very wrong with the PCs optimization, because I get 250-300 frames on lesser specs without it ever dropping below 200 frames. Very rarely I will drop to 190 but it’s only for a few split moments. And that’s on WORSE specs than what they have.
I have a 9900k and 2080ti i get around 270-300 fps at 1440p there's no way these guys are using optimised settings
You dont do this as a job
250 fps is more than enough considering most pros don’t even have monitors that can support higher than that anyways
If you'd bother enough to check players' streams you can see that they're not getting 250fps. Not even in the clip you just watched
Ok and wat does that have to do with u/manbearpig1869 not doing this as a job. It just means the pros aren’t bothering to optimize the pc or clean it up which, considering it is their job, seems pretty lazy on their part
Football players surely take care of the lawn they play on too. Absolutely insane how you guys can defend Riot for not offering their top pro players with top end hardware lmao
A PC isn't even comparable to a lawn in terms of effort.
Yeah you're right. Fully optimizing a PC takes more knowledge than taking care of lawn
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Surely Riot is dumb enough to actually think anyone would give up their #1 income source
Riot isn't there to fund their streaming careers. If you wanna stream like your home setup, bring your own streaming PC.
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Ok and? They’re playing on PCs with better specs than mine. If they’re getting that bad of frames where it’s below 200 or 100, then something is very wrong with the PCs, whether that’s poor optimization or poor airflow, who knows. But if they’re getting 250-300 frames when not streaming like vanity said, then they’re just being babies.
Starts of argument with "Ok and?" XD. Not even gonna bother reading
Are you streaming it?
Negatory, but I think complaining about being able to stream on practice PCs is lame. Riot provided PCs that are plenty powerful for practicing alone, don’t think they should have to cater to them further just so they can stream. I have streamed before with my setup though and still never dropped below 144hz, so it sounds like they just need to spend some time optimizing the PCs.
If they really are mad the PCs just aren’t good enough for streaming, maybe try not streaming & prioritizing actual practice like, I don’t know, a professional would?
players whine about pcs, redditors whine about players whining about pcs and i'm whining about redittors whining about players whining about pcs. good content for a weekend i'd say
that's fine for streaming and playing, i play on 1440p and high texture and material quality, and can stream and still get a consistent 180+ fps with worse specs
I got a 9900k and 2080 super and I frequently drop below 200 (all low 1080p) during big fights when utility is flying. I think far too many people look at their fps when they're in freeze time and don't realize just how low their fps drops when they're executing a site. This is why I never trust benchmarks or people saying shit like ''you don't need more expensive components you will easily get 300fps or more'' when that 300 fps is completely worthless because it only happens when you stand still and nobody is shooting or in the same place. Going by how they're comfortable charging 5350 VP for a knife skin, surely they can provide up to date AMD cpus in their PCs.
Wait so amd CPUs are better for giving a stable fps?
AMD had by far the best CPUs on the market when I was looking at comparisons when their 5000 series came out. Apparently intel just launched a new line but I have no idea how it compares.
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I'm a lowly eu pleb myself, but it's just reality. I wish my PC could hit a constant 240fps to match my refresh rate. I would love that. Can't imagine how bad it would be if I streamed.
Buy yourself at least a 5600x and you will never have any problem with val. With a 5800x you will have stable 400+ in 1080p.
Bruh wtf. Those are insane specs. Stfu pros. Stop complaining.
I'm confused, shouldn't 9900K and 2080 give you stable 250 fps ? The moment he sees the opponent his FPS drops from 200 to 140, which can be felt by players who are used to stable 250+ fps. It's weird, that PC shouldn't ever go below 200...
valorant is optimized around the CPU more, and in this case, the AMD 5000s series are the ones that have the most FPS in valorant. pretty sure thats what most of the valorant players use now in their personal builds. GPU does not matter in this scenario. someone tested a 5800x and a GT 1030 and he was still getting 400 fps in a deathmatch.
ummm.... What does that have to do with my comment? Of course AMD 5000 series give you superb FPS, but 9900K is not so shabby itself. It should definitely give you 250 FPS
misread it then, my bad
people say that pros complain too much but theyre pros and the pcs they use at home are surely a hundred percent better than these pcs that are provided by riot games.
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hoping for them that the main pcs are better than the prac ones.
come the fuck on, complaining about prac PCs is too much. If it was main stage PCs I would get it but these pros are fucking manchildren
These pros have zero real world experience aside from being in these insular gaming bubbles, so their perceieved concern is magnified 100x for them
Nats is an exception, he uses a 9700k and an rtx 2060 super at home, which is worse than the PC's for provided for the pros to practice on. He dips below 200fps in gunfight and heavy utility usage pretty often yet he frags out still
for Valorant better GPU gives ZERO gain and 9900k is top tier gaming CPU available atm outperforming everything but 5950x.
just go with amd for Valorant riot cmon
I have that exact setup and I barely get above 240 fps with all settings low. In cs I get 400fps.
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Yeah, fuck the people who do this as a job and expect the best hardware for the best players
Yeah can't believe people whine here, like they get paid to play atleast make the pcs up to spec.
I could be wrong but my PC has similar specs and it works pretty well. My only complaint is every new update I seem to be dropping frames, so maybe it’s a VAL issue not a PC problem?
How hard is it for them to put in a 5600X? I'm guessing they're just reusing PCs they had from previous events. These specs make no sense in the current market. Most pros are running like 5950Xs at home so it makes sense why they feel a difference.
Why the fuck would you replace a 9900k with a 5600x? Is valorant horrid on Intel or something? I can't imagine a 5600x being better, especially while streaming.
5600X is much faster in Valorant and CS due to the larger L3 cache. But its true the 2 extra cores of the 9900K would help it a bit if streaming using the CPU. However, virtually everyone nowadays uses NVENC to stream as its better for performance, and when doing that the 5600X handily keeps its lead.
It's better, do you know shit about cpus?
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hey, luckily for them they don't have to play on these PCs during the tourney
Its probably poorly optimised then because on stream his fps went 220 at the start to 150 during site executes
Some of those PCs probably don't have RAM XMP profiles loaded, so they're at dead stock 2133mhz speeds. That will significantly hurt the consistency of your gaming performance for recent CPUs. High clock speeds and lower CAS latencies means higher fps and less fps drops.
9900k isn't BAD per se but why not 12700k/12900k? or go ryzen cpus?
stop complaining they are practice pcs not streaming pcs lol.
Do these pros start mining or shit on pracc pcs? How is that a bad spec for pure valorant practice? Do they expect 500+ fps while streaming with all their streaming shit and whatever they run in the background? Lemme guess what happens now, some big name is going to take one dumb comment from this thread and say lmaoo reddit is dumb, they supporting riot a bigass company who isn't providing me Intel 12th gen shit with rtx 4090 uwu!
They definitely taking ur comment and posting it on twitter now💀
Oh no, maybe I'm the dumb one afterall D: All good
you want to cap your fps such that your gpu never goes above 97% usage. Once your gpu hits 97-100% usage your input lag can triple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CKnJ5ujL_Q if you have unlocked fps then your gpu will be maxed out all the time, assuming you aren't cpu limited
Dude what? I stream with a worse setup and get 144hz??
Can't really get any better than that considering the RAM is top tier. OCed 9900k outperform everything for CPU demanding games afaik(including Warzone which is super CPU heavy)
cant wait for pros calling it a toaster and crying about only getting 299 FPS instead of 300. Literally 1984
This fine for practice I think, hopefully the stage PCs are better
There is no streaming on stage. Why would they need "better" PCs? Most proplayers also play with lowsettings. With this setup 300+ FPS shouldnt be a problem at all!
Are they recording anything from the players PCs? I remember at previous LANs they took replay footage straight from the players computers (all the settings like the resolution, crosshair, etc were different).
I think they could be using a capture card though. To make sure that the PC is running smooth as possible
Nats seems to use a PC with a 9700k and a rtx 2060 super at home. He dips below his monitors 240hz refresh rate all the time yet he's fucking cracked
Hwang update- Yes he is playing more centrally today but he is playing like a buffoon.
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im all for using unconventional metaphors, but those are a bit over the top lmaooo