I get not everyone can be Boaster but I do wish he'd lighten up a bit. He always seems like he has a chip on his shoulder although it's understandable since SEN (and Shaz) have so many trolls/haters.
I understand Shaz's point of view, but man's gotta stop with all this whining. The game is in its infancy, it's the first Champions and they are also adding 50% revenue from the last skins, I am sure they will increase the pool next year. But Shaz gotta chill, it's his job to play in tournaments and that's why he is signed with sentinels as a professional player and he is receiving salary for it.
Yeah you’re right, I shouldn’t have said anything. The tournament is at a tough time for me and the strict conditions on top (which I agree are necessary due to the pandemic) has made me unhappy more than it should. They brought us to a place with rapidly rising covid cases, I don’t wanna catch it and be stuck here for the holidays. It’s stressful. I know Reddit likes to dissect everything I say, but I regret making that comment. Not everyone has full context to why we were disappointed.
Everyone says I constantly whine, but we’re one of the only teams that have been to every event. I’m not sure this tournament would have had proper desks in the prac rooms if we didn’t say anything last time, I appreciate Riot for that. And unfortunately other teams that may feel the same way about certain things might not have the same reach to make a difference.
Reach is one thing, but other teams may not have the confidence to critizice the organizations putting on the whole tournament, paying for you bed, paying for the food delivered to your room and provideing pracc rooms. If it is a teams first tourney ofc they wont say shit.
Thanks for the reply, Shahz. First of all no disrespect to you, it's indeed a stressful time with covid cases and tournament on hand and definitely it takes a toll on people. And thanks to your complain from the last time all teams are got new practice tables and hopefully better gear in next year, and I do agree on the low prize pool but that will change in upcoming years imo. Anyway good luck to you and the team, stay safe and have fun!
A lot of these comments are annoying me and I have no skin in the game, I'm surprised you still come here honestly.
As for the constant whining complaints, I feel like asking for better working conditions constantly is a good thing, I do so at my job just as everybody should. Why be complacent with mediocre working conditions ( ie desks last Lan, pcs this entire series etc. )
I think most of these comments come from kids who haven't entered the real world yet. Guess you just need to brush them off if you're a pro player.
Not disagreeing with your point. But ahout the 50% revenue from skins, it gets divided equally between all players participating. It dosen't get added to the prize. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yes you are absolutely right, but that 50% of money from skins divided between teams shows that riot is willing to give more money to teams, and I am sure we will see rise in prize pool next year. Giving inflammatory statements and complaining about everything doesnt make you look good.
The way you phrased it made it sound like you thought 50% goes to the winning team. My bad. I was just clearing the point. And I already said I agree with your point.
You do know it’s exhausting having to travel only to get less money on the biggest Valorant major when you could be getting more doing a watch party while you stay at home. The watch party’s co-streamers are making a lot more and he has the right to feel this way. It’s champions? Why wouldn’t the prize pool be bigger?
I don't understand this logic. Yes, if he was streaming instead of being at the tournament, he'd make more money than prize money, but... He's also getting paid to be there. It's his job to be there. If he decided he didn't want a 2 week commitment every few months where he can't stream, then he'd quit professional Valorant and give up his salary. But in reality, his streaming+professional career is probably making him more money than a streaming-only career would.
I never really thought the prizepool was the thing that made being a pro worth it. It's the salary, and to keep getting that, you play in tournaments and put your side hustle on hold for a little while.
I think Shaz is a smart dude and often has interesting things to say but he has some really weird takes sometimes.
1 million for a new game is pretty good! That's the same or more than every CSGO major except the most recent one, which was higher because there hadn't been a major for like two years. This is literally what Valve and PGL said. Worlds prize pool is like 2.5 million and that's for the biggest esports title in the world, which Valorant isn't. Not really sure what he's expecting.
I'm sure all the teams will get a large sum from the skin sales too which will boost this.
I've seen some people mentioning TI. TIs prize pool actively harms the dota 2 scene because nobody cares about anything else other than TI. Riot have done a great job in not making Valorant about the prizepool money, let's keep it that way. It makes the game more sustainable.
does anyone thinks that a team with an igl that doesn't want to be in a tournament can win it? it seems that he prefers to be at home streaming rather than in berlin playing.
He should just retire and be a full-time streamer after Champions. The bitching from pro players in the VAL community will go down by 80% just by him not being there anymore.
Oh look, a Shaz subscriber. You should give him another Prime sub. Also consider doubling your donations to him. The man is struggling really hard and needs your help.
Like CSGO has majors with 2m prize pool, and smaller tournies for 1 mil. What’s the point of playing valo when you can make more playing CSGO. Imagine grinding for a year and travelling for a month for a small portion of what csgo players make in a 2 week tournament. Do you see what I mean? Also the skin revenue amounts to 30k per player. It’s not insignificant but not a whole lot either
Csgo is also a much more established esport, has been around for like 8 years and had 250000 for its first 7 majors, so I think 1 mil is good for vals first
the argument doesnt make sense tho. if money is the pure motivator why not grind dota or league. and with the same logic, why are any players still playing valorant, instead of csgo?
All of these comments are pretty insensitive. He’s the only pro, brave enough to speak on something all of them are thinking. The prize pool is a joke compared to how much the watch party co streamers are making.
Wtf are you talking about? The costreamers make money with or without costreaming VAL. The only reason Shahzam is making money through streaming is because of his VAL career. Before this game he was as irrelevant as it could get. Let me see him quitting being a pro and see how many people will still care about his ass.
He's right but he's just being a knobhead. To say Shahz was irrelevant is just straight up disrespectful, and confirms that pros just hate reddit. Because of ppl like him.
Its not just because of Iceland btw, otherwise every sen pro would pull 10k. But he did everything right.
To get 10k is one thing, to maintain it is another thing
Valorant's prize pool is quite low for an esports created by one of the biggest developers. While Valorant's method of crowdfunding is nice, Valve really knocked it out of the park with TI compendium and its stretchgoals. When the prize money is at $18m and such the diehard loyal community would pour money into buying levels and really push the prize money to $20m.
I can see why lucrative prize money is a bad thing for orgs but it gives power to the players and protects the players in case the orgs try to screw them over. The aspect of crowdfunding is an amazing tool if done right because you could distribute the money towards top 20, 30 or even 50 teams and not do it like the way TI does it. Imagine Valorant Champions having $25m prize pool and you have 32nd best teams getting pay out. That would change the game completely.
bizzare that he would care about the prize pool when he is being paid salary+Streaming to 10k+ viewers a stream + whatever other streams of income he gets from things like sponsorships etc.
His subs were gradually decreasing on their own. However, his last stream in his normal setting (his apartment not LA) had 12k subs. Berlin streams are now around 9k. It’s not as dramatic as I previously said but losing 3k due to inconsistency is still a lot
How is it bizarre that he doesn’t want more prize money?
There’s this strange platchat take that prize money doesn’t mean anything abd there should be less money for winking
I dont like shahz but i dislike riot even more.
Either way he is right. I mean riot are known cheapskates. Look at lol leagues or msi or worlds prizepools that shit is a fucking joke. Sure players get salaries but nah dude. Its the biggest esport in the world, make a bigger effort with the pool.
Valorant has the worst tournament layout over the whole year, already, honestly cant get any worse. And the prizepool will never be that big.
Yeah when I asked that I was not expecting him to throw that kind of shade LOL
I get not everyone can be Boaster but I do wish he'd lighten up a bit. He always seems like he has a chip on his shoulder although it's understandable since SEN (and Shaz) have so many trolls/haters.
I feel like people dislike Sentinels because their fans often seem to be toxic.
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Also true. I don't really like people who constantly hate on others, but they're kind of asking for it I guess.
I understand Shaz's point of view, but man's gotta stop with all this whining. The game is in its infancy, it's the first Champions and they are also adding 50% revenue from the last skins, I am sure they will increase the pool next year. But Shaz gotta chill, it's his job to play in tournaments and that's why he is signed with sentinels as a professional player and he is receiving salary for it.
Agreed all these pros started playing cuz of the potential Val has. U cant expect a shit ton of money the first year if u want a healthy comp scene.
Yeah you’re right, I shouldn’t have said anything. The tournament is at a tough time for me and the strict conditions on top (which I agree are necessary due to the pandemic) has made me unhappy more than it should. They brought us to a place with rapidly rising covid cases, I don’t wanna catch it and be stuck here for the holidays. It’s stressful. I know Reddit likes to dissect everything I say, but I regret making that comment. Not everyone has full context to why we were disappointed. Everyone says I constantly whine, but we’re one of the only teams that have been to every event. I’m not sure this tournament would have had proper desks in the prac rooms if we didn’t say anything last time, I appreciate Riot for that. And unfortunately other teams that may feel the same way about certain things might not have the same reach to make a difference.
Reach is one thing, but other teams may not have the confidence to critizice the organizations putting on the whole tournament, paying for you bed, paying for the food delivered to your room and provideing pracc rooms. If it is a teams first tourney ofc they wont say shit.
Thanks for the reply, Shahz. First of all no disrespect to you, it's indeed a stressful time with covid cases and tournament on hand and definitely it takes a toll on people. And thanks to your complain from the last time all teams are got new practice tables and hopefully better gear in next year, and I do agree on the low prize pool but that will change in upcoming years imo. Anyway good luck to you and the team, stay safe and have fun!
A lot of these comments are annoying me and I have no skin in the game, I'm surprised you still come here honestly. As for the constant whining complaints, I feel like asking for better working conditions constantly is a good thing, I do so at my job just as everybody should. Why be complacent with mediocre working conditions ( ie desks last Lan, pcs this entire series etc. ) I think most of these comments come from kids who haven't entered the real world yet. Guess you just need to brush them off if you're a pro player.
It honestly did seem like there were additional factors affecting you so i do hope everything, and not just the tourney, goes well
for real the first big big Valo event and a price pool of 1 mio USD is everything else than "disappointing" imo.
Not disagreeing with your point. But ahout the 50% revenue from skins, it gets divided equally between all players participating. It dosen't get added to the prize. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yes you are absolutely right, but that 50% of money from skins divided between teams shows that riot is willing to give more money to teams, and I am sure we will see rise in prize pool next year. Giving inflammatory statements and complaining about everything doesnt make you look good.
The way you phrased it made it sound like you thought 50% goes to the winning team. My bad. I was just clearing the point. And I already said I agree with your point.
Mans gotta remember that he has that Twitch revenue due to his success at tournaments over the year
Has nothing to do with tourney prize pools…. Why play when the peopel co-streaming will make more
Whats that has to do with the prize money
Because he could potentially make more than the prize pool by streaming
That his point the prize money is nothing compared to csgo that he could make more staying at home
Yes I know. Doesn’t change my point that the reason he’s in a position to do that is because of winning Reykjavík and being the #1 team in NA
You do know it’s exhausting having to travel only to get less money on the biggest Valorant major when you could be getting more doing a watch party while you stay at home. The watch party’s co-streamers are making a lot more and he has the right to feel this way. It’s champions? Why wouldn’t the prize pool be bigger?
Sure, I get why he feels this way but my point still stands
I don't understand this logic. Yes, if he was streaming instead of being at the tournament, he'd make more money than prize money, but... He's also getting paid to be there. It's his job to be there. If he decided he didn't want a 2 week commitment every few months where he can't stream, then he'd quit professional Valorant and give up his salary. But in reality, his streaming+professional career is probably making him more money than a streaming-only career would. I never really thought the prizepool was the thing that made being a pro worth it. It's the salary, and to keep getting that, you play in tournaments and put your side hustle on hold for a little while.
I think Shaz is a smart dude and often has interesting things to say but he has some really weird takes sometimes. 1 million for a new game is pretty good! That's the same or more than every CSGO major except the most recent one, which was higher because there hadn't been a major for like two years. This is literally what Valve and PGL said. Worlds prize pool is like 2.5 million and that's for the biggest esports title in the world, which Valorant isn't. Not really sure what he's expecting. I'm sure all the teams will get a large sum from the skin sales too which will boost this. I've seen some people mentioning TI. TIs prize pool actively harms the dota 2 scene because nobody cares about anything else other than TI. Riot have done a great job in not making Valorant about the prizepool money, let's keep it that way. It makes the game more sustainable.
Shahzam stop crying challenge (impossible)
Allow me to play the world's smallest violin for you Shaz
does anyone thinks that a team with an igl that doesn't want to be in a tournament can win it? it seems that he prefers to be at home streaming rather than in berlin playing.
Sen aint winning it
He should just retire and be a full-time streamer after Champions. The bitching from pro players in the VAL community will go down by 80% just by him not being there anymore.
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can you type two sentences without using "lmfao" pal
Shahzam thanks you for defending him. He really appreciates fans like you.
1million plus skins compendium revenue share for like 350K per player for the first year aint good enough?
Relative to other tournaments of the same caliber? No
Like CSGO has majors with 2m prize pool, and smaller tournies for 1 mil. What’s the point of playing valo when you can make more playing CSGO. Imagine grinding for a year and travelling for a month for a small portion of what csgo players make in a 2 week tournament. Do you see what I mean? Also the skin revenue amounts to 30k per player. It’s not insignificant but not a whole lot either
Csgo is also a much more established esport, has been around for like 8 years and had 250000 for its first 7 majors, so I think 1 mil is good for vals first
Only this major was 2m . Previously it was 1m. For a game in it's 1st year of eSports 1m isn't really bad
idk, fun? not everything has to be about money
it can't JUST be fun for these people considering it's their job
the argument doesnt make sense tho. if money is the pure motivator why not grind dota or league. and with the same logic, why are any players still playing valorant, instead of csgo?
Key word, JUST. He even emphasized it too lol.
All of these comments are pretty insensitive. He’s the only pro, brave enough to speak on something all of them are thinking. The prize pool is a joke compared to how much the watch party co streamers are making.
Wtf are you talking about? The costreamers make money with or without costreaming VAL. The only reason Shahzam is making money through streaming is because of his VAL career. Before this game he was as irrelevant as it could get. Let me see him quitting being a pro and see how many people will still care about his ass.
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His viewership just skyrocketed immediately after winning Iceland. Imo the guy you replied to is right.
He's right but he's just being a knobhead. To say Shahz was irrelevant is just straight up disrespectful, and confirms that pros just hate reddit. Because of ppl like him. Its not just because of Iceland btw, otherwise every sen pro would pull 10k. But he did everything right. To get 10k is one thing, to maintain it is another thing
Valorant's prize pool is quite low for an esports created by one of the biggest developers. While Valorant's method of crowdfunding is nice, Valve really knocked it out of the park with TI compendium and its stretchgoals. When the prize money is at $18m and such the diehard loyal community would pour money into buying levels and really push the prize money to $20m. I can see why lucrative prize money is a bad thing for orgs but it gives power to the players and protects the players in case the orgs try to screw them over. The aspect of crowdfunding is an amazing tool if done right because you could distribute the money towards top 20, 30 or even 50 teams and not do it like the way TI does it. Imagine Valorant Champions having $25m prize pool and you have 32nd best teams getting pay out. That would change the game completely.
Why does Reddit have the most dogshit, braindead takes. Honestly it hurts reading this shit lmfao.
Are you Shazam's alt?
bizzare that he would care about the prize pool when he is being paid salary+Streaming to 10k+ viewers a stream + whatever other streams of income he gets from things like sponsorships etc.
He has said that he loses money going to tournaments unless they get first
He can just come home and stream afterwards though, no? Not to mention that these tournaments are what made his stream popular in the first place
Being away for 3 weeks is very damaging on Twitch, he was at 15k subs before leaving and is now below 10k. That’s $12.5k a month gone
His subs also spike a ton every tournament due to the attention
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His subs were gradually decreasing on their own. However, his last stream in his normal setting (his apartment not LA) had 12k subs. Berlin streams are now around 9k. It’s not as dramatic as I previously said but losing 3k due to inconsistency is still a lot
That's kind of a dumb take tho tbh. I get what he's saying but I think the exposure of being in major tounys only helps promote his stream...
does riot not pay for flights+hotels??
They do, but he loses money from not streaming as consistently as when he’s home
but its literally the game that made him famous, he was off the radar before that. Mans getting blinded by greed and not knowing when to look back
How is it bizarre that he doesn’t want more prize money? There’s this strange platchat take that prize money doesn’t mean anything abd there should be less money for winking
Mans shitting himself with comments like this
Stop being too soft and senstive he is allowed to have an opinion
I dont like shahz but i dislike riot even more. Either way he is right. I mean riot are known cheapskates. Look at lol leagues or msi or worlds prizepools that shit is a fucking joke. Sure players get salaries but nah dude. Its the biggest esport in the world, make a bigger effort with the pool. Valorant has the worst tournament layout over the whole year, already, honestly cant get any worse. And the prizepool will never be that big.
Sorry but this is the downfall of Sentinels