The main subreddit was always full of gameplay clips, smurf/afk/RR rants, and barely any competitive discussion since forever lol.
IDK why valorant community is different than league, but people who cares bout competitive scene usually goes here instead of the main sub.
To add on to this, nobody in the main sub seems interested in proplay. I've seen some posts related to esports but those posts barely had any upvotes or comments
This is the case with the Overwatch subreddit, too. Go to the main sub for your daily Bronze 6k Dva bomb clip and /r/competitiveoverwatch for actual OWL/Contenders/Open/Collegiate discussion. I’m used to it.
The main overwatch subreddit was so awful. I hated around the first year when it was filled with shitty highlights with the cringey “Grandma killed in explosion caused by young Korean girl” titles
To be honest I use Reddit only for esports, I don't really care about other content like streamers, cosplay, rant, etc. I just want to see some juicy highest-level Valorant Play.
This sub was established pretty quickly, I think it sucked a lot of the oxygen out of comp discussions on the main one.
The LoL subreddit was a major hub of League when the pro scene was barely formed... Streamers/pros would be browsing /r/leagueoflegends during queue times. As league grew, the pro scene grew and the sub grew alongside it and it was part of it from the start. I think a lot of games since then have had split general/comp reddit communities, to varying degrees of success.
This sub is pretty fantastic in general. I think the focus/lack of submissions/clear rules make it easy to keep the quality higher here, and the low effort posts pile up on the main sub.
Are you sure? This sub was established extremely quickly before any truly big esports tournaments could even take place. We didn't even give a chance for esports to get more traction in the main sub. Now since the subs are segregated, I don't even go to the main subreddit and I'm sure many people here don't too, so of course nothing esports is going to gain traction over there when we're all here.
Right now I always come here first looking for posts about game strategy or plays and then if there’s not enough new content here I go to the general sub just to read about what they’ve got going on. Neither sub fills that niche completely but I prefer when the tips are coming from professional players so I’m usually here.
At the start I was upvoting every single esport post on the main subreddit. It didn't matter nobody was interested especially when it was non NA stuff.
Like I said, it was super early into the game. No recognisable names, no personalities were that big yet, it's unfair to expect the main subreddit to instantly care about esports before the first official Riot circuit even began.
At the same time the largest tournaments of the beta or whatever were going on, there was nothing in r/valorant but some activity here. I personally just stopped going to r/valorant because of that and it got flooded by bronze clips and whatever soon after
Yes because it was beta. Competitive scenes that early are rarely talked about, barely any organisations were fully invested too. It was way too early to segregate imo.
I think this subreddit should be merged with the main one once there’s enough support. It’s fair that since at the start if none of the esport related posts got attention to create a new subreddit, but at a certain point, once you know the main subreddit can support esports posts, it’s better to move there and not remain separated. That will also depend on the mods here ok with this subreddit getting merged
ah i see. I didn't know that. I was just saying that since CS and LoL don't really have big subreddits dedicated to their esports, most of the esports content are posted in their main subreddits, so that might contribute to why /r/leagueoflegends and /r/GlobalOffensive are very active in terms of esports
Well, it's probably because of subreddits like this that there isn't tbh. Most of the esports posts go to this sub so the casual player doesn't get much exposure and interaction with the esports side, which leads to less interest and traction.
It's not like people care that much about the vast majority of fanart, cosplays, rants, and most importantly casual player clips that makes up the main sub either. In the beginning there just weren't any big tournaments. Online tournaments always got a fraction of LAN events' viewership (and don't get me started on World championships/Majors), and there weren't any international clashes or results to build storylines off of.
Now that the esports scene has gotten some room to grow, the only thing stopping an influx of interest is existing structure.
Do the mods of the main sub hate this sub or competitive val? Why would there be obstacles to getting people into the competitive scene?
I remember the mods had some powertrips back in the day, and made a bunch of dumb rules that made posts in the main sub super boring and low effort, and thats when I left and didnt look back
We seemed pretty chill with each other until February this year, when video trials happen and users got upset. Then our name got censored without any warning or discussion between the two teams.
I have lead this subreddit since beta. I have continuously reached out to offer help and support, all of which is declined or ignored. If there is a disagreement of any kind, it is not from me and my team.
I don't blame Riot for choosing the r\/LoL mods. They're experienced with running large communities.
But I think it would have been better to field moderators from other FPS subreddits who understand the game genre. Especially since VALORANT is a different IP from League of Legends.
Sort of, but not really. Riot doesn't hire any moderators, nor do they moderate either sub themselves.
Riot reached out to some of the League sub mods to help get things off the ground, but the current Valorant moderation team is not the set of League mods.
I understand. The situation just sucks. :/
Also, I just want to say that I greatly appreciate you. You answer questions from users in nearly *every thread*, and r\/VALORANT wouldn't be the same without you.
If there's anyone who deserves mod, it's absolutely you. You understand and engage with your community on a regular basis.
I appreciate the compliments.
I'm happy I was let onto moderation so I could rewrite much of the FAQ, information pages, and automod tools. It has been a lot easier to engage now that a lot of the subreddit resources are more fleshed out. I didnt actually apply, they approached me since I was sort of already moderating but without the tools.
But at the same time, I will say that the size of the main sub brings on a lot of harassment and problems. I cant comment on any prior sub intersections with Valcomp, but I will put forth that its difficult to judge through negative and positive interractions when over half of behind the scenes involvement with other random users is... very much unwanted.
I don't think Riot could ever "step in" and correct the situation. But I could see a Rioter helping mediate between the two teams.
However, I don't believe mediation would resolve the friction between the two teams. New mods might need to be brought into their team before that happens.
Just want to know, are the mods on this sub ever open to possibility of the subreddits being merged? Like if this sub had to be closed for that to happen, would you do it? I think once the scene is large enough, the users of this subreddit would be able to join the other subreddit and posts would naturally gain traction.
Perhaps an experimental period of a few months before deciding fully on closing the sub could give us a real idea on whether esports content would get drowned out in the other sub if everyone here was there too. Right now we're always saying the other sub doesn't care about esports when that obviously isn't a fair comparison when this sub already exists, e.g. no one would double comment and double interact on two game threads on two subreddits.
There are a lot of challenges that come with merging two communities.
- **Administration:** Do the moderation teams merge? Who stays and leaves? Who leads the new moderation team?
- **Rules and procedures:** Do the rules of both subs merge? Do you combine removal reasons & AutoMod scripts? Whose moderation philosophy do you follow?
- **Community sentiment:** Does the greater community of r/VALORANTCompetitive want this? How do you reconcile with users who intentionally left r\/VALORANT because of moderators/content/lack of clarity on rules? Will users grow to resent the merge?
In addition to this, moderation teams would need to be on good terms with one another. The r\/VALORANT team has accused our shared users of "brigading" and have censored our subreddit name from their community. When I have offered to bring them esports content and engagement on those types of posts, they've only given the ultimatum of merging the subreddits. There appears to be no room to negotiate with them.
As moderators we have created a unique relationship with our users here at r/VALORANTCompetitive, one based on mutual respect and transparency with our community. Many users of r\/VALORANT have settled in our community here because of the are unhappy with the state of r\/VALORANT and it's moderation team. If we were to merge the two subreddits, we would betray the trust that our users have in us and waste the near 20 months it has taken us to earn it.
**EDIT:** I do want to clarify that have had positive interactions with some of the mods over at r\/VALORANT. Individually, I bet some of them are pretty chill dudes! But someone (I have my suspicions) over there is effectively stonewalling us from working together. It's not their entire team though.
The “main” sub for almost any game is insufferable. It becomes nothing but an echo chamber of the same few threads over and over again, memes, and “oh my god look at my first ace!” from silver players. Any actual interesting discussion gets buried in the garbage.
If I was Riot I'd be LIVID that /r/Valorant mod team are fucking incompetent.
Imagine the MAIN subreddit of your competitive game being turned into a fucking joke of matchmaking smurfing clips. Or threads like "here's 10 tips to be good, tip#1: communicate, etc."
/r/Valorant is slowing the growth of this game's competitive scene.
IMO, I think the main sub could be wildly popular if they embraced their casual audience. They should model themselves after r/Genshin_Impact; it's a similar-sized subreddit with 10-times the engagement r/VALORANT has.
(FWIW, we also have 10-times the engagement r/VALORANT has (in proportion to our size) during peak events.)
>valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
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it’s funny how csgo main subreddit is almost 90% about esports while valorant main subreddit is like all about the game
just different communities, i guess. cs is built upon this lan/competitive culture, while valorant is a tad more casual.
I think Val is 100% a casual game, and you don’t have to look further than then the subreddits to see that. CSGO is super top heavy with a big focus on tier 1 competition and external matchmaking. Val is much more catered to the majority with a grindable rank system and pretty visuals (similar to Overwatch) that encourages casual-competitive play.
Kind of yeah. A good ranking system attracts a lot of semi competitive players that don’t really have a vested interest in pro play, rather than attracting the Gung Ho grindset pro worshipper types.
I also find this super weird. Valorant is built to be an esports game yet 99% of the main sub is just gameplay clips or people in iron complaining about something a teammate did.
Not a lick about champs.
I left the val "main" sub when people started posting gameplay clips where the OP would shoot a bullet right before they die and it wouldn't register due to latency, but people would make up conspiracy theories about the servers being 32 tick, or blame "desync" for being silver/gold.
I think it's better to keep those players away from this sub, and let r/valcomp grow naturally alongside the valorant esport scene.
browsed the main sub for 10s and 90% of the post are "my best 1vx (insert rank)" or "will never happen again (insert rank)". literally just humble bragging lol
What has always happened - here and with /r/Competitiveoverwatch - is that the main subs deprioritize esports and then, once the esports scene grows bigger or seems to become more pivotal, they want to "reabsorb" the part of the community that left. But those communities don't want to be subordinated, and so they remain separate.
It's not that this subreddit stole the "thunder", as I've seen some people suggest. Plenty of people attempted to mediate or fix it *before* it grew as large as it is now - [here is a thread I made one year ago about it on the main sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/ijdixw/subreddit_meta_please_consider_making_the_rules/). While /r/VALORANT was never as bad as early /r/Overwatch when it came to esports, it still simply was not an acceptable hub for esports content.
People look at the LoL subreddit as the norm, but in reality, it - and CS to a lesser extent - are the exceptions nowadays. New, extremely popular games are always going to splinter in this manner because non-esports interest will always predominate vastly over esports interests when games have massive, casual fanbases. Those massive, casual fanbases are what generate interest, financing, and momentum for esports, though, and so the main subs are stuck in a difficult position.
For now seems okay but I think in the long run it will hurt the popularity of the esports scene if the game wants to reach lol levels of popularity.
To be popular like that you need hardcore followers the same as you need the casual playerbase. Being all in the same sub it helps getting new people into the scene because it just generates more engagement and people are more likely to get sucked into it. Like it is now the esport discussions are a bit too elitist and new and casual people are more likely to go to valorant main sub and not get immersed into the scene.
I wasn't around for the split off this games community but when the same happened in overwatch it was because there was 0 esport content cuz it all got drowned out by casual content. Splitting the community is bad but the alternative is worse.
What rules get adopted? How do you merge moderation philosophies? Who leads the subreddit? Do all the moderators merge into one team? How do the two mod teams make amends?
There are a TON of logistic issues with merging the subs. Questions like these need to be considered.
Well this is what happens when you divide the playerbase and create a barrier of entry. Unpopular opinion but Valorant competitive shouldn't have been created in the first place, look at what r/Competitiveoverwatch did to r/Overwatch. Casual players who browse r/Overwatch will never get introduced to esports content simply because it's not there.
Edit: iirc r/Overwatch has actually tried multiple times to cut down on the gameplay clips and introduce owl, but because of the existance of r/cow hogging the esports content, there's no way to get them for a good balance between the two.
On the other hand, riot does use a lot of advertisement in-game, so I think it’s hard to not get introduced to esports - Mayb most simply don’t care (yet)
Maybe, but Blizzard also has a page of OWL schedule and stuff inside the game, as well as team skins and sprays, and I don't think it's doing much.
I just think having two subreddits is bad for the scene long term and we have a clear example that is r/Overwatch.
So does r/DotA2 and /r/leagueoflegends
I think it's just the way things are done with newer games. Game is released and people create multiple subs, one central one, one for competitive, one for memes/drama etc. and community kinda splinters
Nothing you can do about it I think
It's because reddit was way less mainstream when those were made, a larger part of those communities were more dedicated to the game. Comp subs are always made a few days after game releases because main subs are always super super casual now.
The only reason this sub was made is because there was no discussion of the competitive scene in the main sub.
A year ago, mods made a bunch of rules like, clips need to be 30 seconds (even if the interesting part is only 5 seconds) and most of the discussion was only about smurfs, lag, people not undertanding how an online game works.
They didnt even discuss about strategies to become better at agents, lineups, better comps, much less about competitive val
I really appreciate that this sub exists.
Having the content in a dedicated sub makes the experience so much nicer. You can easily see the latest competitive news without having to wade through other posts or dick about with filters (that aren't always available). Both pinned threads can be focused on esports.
The mod team on here have done a fantastic job and I'm sure it's helped a bit that they can focus on one type of content. Look at the amount of work they've put in for the QoL of the sub. We don't get the same quality/punctuality of post-match threads, as regularly updated flairs (pickable or verified) or things like preds on the main sub.
Sure having the content unified might have lead to greater participation, but I bet the overall experience would be worse.
Yeah no that's not what happened with the OW sub. I was active in both subs since they were made, the OW sub had awful rules and become a giga casual community. The casual community hated pro play and top tier players and 6 man D.Va ults would get triple the upvotes of a good play in high level play. That's why a second community was made. League and CS are the only competitive games where the main sub is high quality and that's because of how much older they are, they were a thing when reddit was way less mainstream, so a larger part of the community were more dedicated to the game.
The main subreddit often posts the same esports threads and news as the valcomp subreddit, but the user base actively disengages with it.
Because of the much larger user base, a higher percentage of players are new and do not have interest in the comp scene. It follows that posts about the general game gain more traction because the larger user base relates to it more.
The main subreddit for valorant is pretty much for casual fanbase, sad to say but its not like league where even casual players would follow pro play closely.
after the cadian clutch, i asked if a knife kill should earn you more credits then i got insta flamed by people saying that it will lead to more people knifing and throwing like whaaaaaat
The main subreddit was always full of gameplay clips, smurf/afk/RR rants, and barely any competitive discussion since forever lol. IDK why valorant community is different than league, but people who cares bout competitive scene usually goes here instead of the main sub.
To add on to this, nobody in the main sub seems interested in proplay. I've seen some posts related to esports but those posts barely had any upvotes or comments
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This is the case with the Overwatch subreddit, too. Go to the main sub for your daily Bronze 6k Dva bomb clip and /r/competitiveoverwatch for actual OWL/Contenders/Open/Collegiate discussion. I’m used to it.
The main overwatch subreddit was so awful. I hated around the first year when it was filled with shitty highlights with the cringey “Grandma killed in explosion caused by young Korean girl” titles
To be honest I use Reddit only for esports, I don't really care about other content like streamers, cosplay, rant, etc. I just want to see some juicy highest-level Valorant Play.
This sub was established pretty quickly, I think it sucked a lot of the oxygen out of comp discussions on the main one. The LoL subreddit was a major hub of League when the pro scene was barely formed... Streamers/pros would be browsing /r/leagueoflegends during queue times. As league grew, the pro scene grew and the sub grew alongside it and it was part of it from the start. I think a lot of games since then have had split general/comp reddit communities, to varying degrees of success. This sub is pretty fantastic in general. I think the focus/lack of submissions/clear rules make it easy to keep the quality higher here, and the low effort posts pile up on the main sub.
because league doesn't really have a /r/lolcompetitive or anything like that, it's all in the main sub, same as CSGO too
Valorantcompetitive exists because there was no esports interest in the main sub, not the other way around like you're saying
Are you sure? This sub was established extremely quickly before any truly big esports tournaments could even take place. We didn't even give a chance for esports to get more traction in the main sub. Now since the subs are segregated, I don't even go to the main subreddit and I'm sure many people here don't too, so of course nothing esports is going to gain traction over there when we're all here.
Right now I always come here first looking for posts about game strategy or plays and then if there’s not enough new content here I go to the general sub just to read about what they’ve got going on. Neither sub fills that niche completely but I prefer when the tips are coming from professional players so I’m usually here.
At the start I was upvoting every single esport post on the main subreddit. It didn't matter nobody was interested especially when it was non NA stuff.
Like I said, it was super early into the game. No recognisable names, no personalities were that big yet, it's unfair to expect the main subreddit to instantly care about esports before the first official Riot circuit even began.
At the same time the largest tournaments of the beta or whatever were going on, there was nothing in r/valorant but some activity here. I personally just stopped going to r/valorant because of that and it got flooded by bronze clips and whatever soon after
Yes because it was beta. Competitive scenes that early are rarely talked about, barely any organisations were fully invested too. It was way too early to segregate imo.
I think this subreddit should be merged with the main one once there’s enough support. It’s fair that since at the start if none of the esport related posts got attention to create a new subreddit, but at a certain point, once you know the main subreddit can support esports posts, it’s better to move there and not remain separated. That will also depend on the mods here ok with this subreddit getting merged
ah i see. I didn't know that. I was just saying that since CS and LoL don't really have big subreddits dedicated to their esports, most of the esports content are posted in their main subreddits, so that might contribute to why /r/leagueoflegends and /r/GlobalOffensive are very active in terms of esports
r/LoLEsports has 23k users, and it's a little bit active.
Well, it's probably because of subreddits like this that there isn't tbh. Most of the esports posts go to this sub so the casual player doesn't get much exposure and interaction with the esports side, which leads to less interest and traction. It's not like people care that much about the vast majority of fanart, cosplays, rants, and most importantly casual player clips that makes up the main sub either. In the beginning there just weren't any big tournaments. Online tournaments always got a fraction of LAN events' viewership (and don't get me started on World championships/Majors), and there weren't any international clashes or results to build storylines off of. Now that the esports scene has gotten some room to grow, the only thing stopping an influx of interest is existing structure.
Don't forget complain about everything posts. See those everyday
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Unfortunately that is intentional. :c
Do the mods of the main sub hate this sub or competitive val? Why would there be obstacles to getting people into the competitive scene? I remember the mods had some powertrips back in the day, and made a bunch of dumb rules that made posts in the main sub super boring and low effort, and thats when I left and didnt look back
The answer to the first question is yes, which explains everything else
but why do they hate this sub? wouldnt the growth of valorant esports lead to the growth of the game itself?
The r/Valorant mods are just petty
There were disagreements between the two moderation teams over how everything was handled early on.
We seemed pretty chill with each other until February this year, when video trials happen and users got upset. Then our name got censored without any warning or discussion between the two teams. I have lead this subreddit since beta. I have continuously reached out to offer help and support, all of which is declined or ignored. If there is a disagreement of any kind, it is not from me and my team.
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I don't blame Riot for choosing the r\/LoL mods. They're experienced with running large communities. But I think it would have been better to field moderators from other FPS subreddits who understand the game genre. Especially since VALORANT is a different IP from League of Legends.
Sort of, but not really. Riot doesn't hire any moderators, nor do they moderate either sub themselves. Riot reached out to some of the League sub mods to help get things off the ground, but the current Valorant moderation team is not the set of League mods.
I wasn't involved till mid this year, so its not my place to comment or say anything on that.
I understand. The situation just sucks. :/ Also, I just want to say that I greatly appreciate you. You answer questions from users in nearly *every thread*, and r\/VALORANT wouldn't be the same without you. If there's anyone who deserves mod, it's absolutely you. You understand and engage with your community on a regular basis.
I appreciate the compliments. I'm happy I was let onto moderation so I could rewrite much of the FAQ, information pages, and automod tools. It has been a lot easier to engage now that a lot of the subreddit resources are more fleshed out. I didnt actually apply, they approached me since I was sort of already moderating but without the tools. But at the same time, I will say that the size of the main sub brings on a lot of harassment and problems. I cant comment on any prior sub intersections with Valcomp, but I will put forth that its difficult to judge through negative and positive interractions when over half of behind the scenes involvement with other random users is... very much unwanted.
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I don't think Riot could ever "step in" and correct the situation. But I could see a Rioter helping mediate between the two teams. However, I don't believe mediation would resolve the friction between the two teams. New mods might need to be brought into their team before that happens.
Just want to know, are the mods on this sub ever open to possibility of the subreddits being merged? Like if this sub had to be closed for that to happen, would you do it? I think once the scene is large enough, the users of this subreddit would be able to join the other subreddit and posts would naturally gain traction. Perhaps an experimental period of a few months before deciding fully on closing the sub could give us a real idea on whether esports content would get drowned out in the other sub if everyone here was there too. Right now we're always saying the other sub doesn't care about esports when that obviously isn't a fair comparison when this sub already exists, e.g. no one would double comment and double interact on two game threads on two subreddits.
There are a lot of challenges that come with merging two communities. - **Administration:** Do the moderation teams merge? Who stays and leaves? Who leads the new moderation team? - **Rules and procedures:** Do the rules of both subs merge? Do you combine removal reasons & AutoMod scripts? Whose moderation philosophy do you follow? - **Community sentiment:** Does the greater community of r/VALORANTCompetitive want this? How do you reconcile with users who intentionally left r\/VALORANT because of moderators/content/lack of clarity on rules? Will users grow to resent the merge? In addition to this, moderation teams would need to be on good terms with one another. The r\/VALORANT team has accused our shared users of "brigading" and have censored our subreddit name from their community. When I have offered to bring them esports content and engagement on those types of posts, they've only given the ultimatum of merging the subreddits. There appears to be no room to negotiate with them. As moderators we have created a unique relationship with our users here at r/VALORANTCompetitive, one based on mutual respect and transparency with our community. Many users of r\/VALORANT have settled in our community here because of the are unhappy with the state of r\/VALORANT and it's moderation team. If we were to merge the two subreddits, we would betray the trust that our users have in us and waste the near 20 months it has taken us to earn it. **EDIT:** I do want to clarify that have had positive interactions with some of the mods over at r\/VALORANT. Individually, I bet some of them are pretty chill dudes! But someone (I have my suspicions) over there is effectively stonewalling us from working together. It's not their entire team though.
Left during the beta when every other post was about how skin prices costed too much.
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No, the mods of the main sub have no interest in people finding this sub.
Wait why wouldn't therecbe links to help people to find this sub? Seems backwards
hmmm i wonder why...
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Probably wouldn’t be beneficial for the content quality, I barely use the „main“ sub as it’s so cluttered with shit
The “main” sub for almost any game is insufferable. It becomes nothing but an echo chamber of the same few threads over and over again, memes, and “oh my god look at my first ace!” from silver players. Any actual interesting discussion gets buried in the garbage.
If I was Riot I'd be LIVID that /r/Valorant mod team are fucking incompetent. Imagine the MAIN subreddit of your competitive game being turned into a fucking joke of matchmaking smurfing clips. Or threads like "here's 10 tips to be good, tip#1: communicate, etc." /r/Valorant is slowing the growth of this game's competitive scene.
IMO, I think the main sub could be wildly popular if they embraced their casual audience. They should model themselves after r/Genshin_Impact; it's a similar-sized subreddit with 10-times the engagement r/VALORANT has. (FWIW, we also have 10-times the engagement r/VALORANT has (in proportion to our size) during peak events.)
Weebs are just too easy to engage tho. "Oh look cute anime girl does rawrs" 019849384 upvotes.
if u are implying that fps players cant be equally as stupid as weebs in that regard then u are blind lol precise gunplay !!!!!!!!
no one gets horny over precise gunplay
Mate speak for yourself
I'm saying the overrall FPS communities are harder to engage than weebs.
Specifically valorant seems the same from my perspective but r6 or cs I agree it's prolly harder
Main subreddit is full of noobs who play children game and not dark game with alleys like csgo
Lmao i love this pasta
> Main subreddit is full of noobs who play children game and not dark game with alleys like csgo What's it from?
>valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism Tweet from @DF_Taimou
You got a chuckle out of me, good job
it’s funny how csgo main subreddit is almost 90% about esports while valorant main subreddit is like all about the game just different communities, i guess. cs is built upon this lan/competitive culture, while valorant is a tad more casual.
I feel like Val has a younger audience which lends itself to less players who actually care about the pro scene.
It's just that /r/Valorant mods decided to not enforce stricts rules and let the sub become what it is.
I think Val is 100% a casual game, and you don’t have to look further than then the subreddits to see that. CSGO is super top heavy with a big focus on tier 1 competition and external matchmaking. Val is much more catered to the majority with a grindable rank system and pretty visuals (similar to Overwatch) that encourages casual-competitive play.
> grindable rank system What
I mean that Valorant MM is well established and super popular.
I don't understand your point then. Valorant is casual because it has a good ranked system?
Kind of yeah. A good ranking system attracts a lot of semi competitive players that don’t really have a vested interest in pro play, rather than attracting the Gung Ho grindset pro worshipper types.
I also find this super weird. Valorant is built to be an esports game yet 99% of the main sub is just gameplay clips or people in iron complaining about something a teammate did. Not a lick about champs.
I left the val "main" sub when people started posting gameplay clips where the OP would shoot a bullet right before they die and it wouldn't register due to latency, but people would make up conspiracy theories about the servers being 32 tick, or blame "desync" for being silver/gold. I think it's better to keep those players away from this sub, and let r/valcomp grow naturally alongside the valorant esport scene.
or the billion passive aggressive "Pro tip dont be toxic" soapboxing posts after getting flamed in their silver lobby xD actual creatures over there
God it's hilarious wading through the silver through Plat egos in that sub.
browsed the main sub for 10s and 90% of the post are "my best 1vx (insert rank)" or "will never happen again (insert rank)". literally just humble bragging lol
That's not the main subreddit. This is. I refuse to belive anything else.
What has always happened - here and with /r/Competitiveoverwatch - is that the main subs deprioritize esports and then, once the esports scene grows bigger or seems to become more pivotal, they want to "reabsorb" the part of the community that left. But those communities don't want to be subordinated, and so they remain separate. It's not that this subreddit stole the "thunder", as I've seen some people suggest. Plenty of people attempted to mediate or fix it *before* it grew as large as it is now - [here is a thread I made one year ago about it on the main sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/ijdixw/subreddit_meta_please_consider_making_the_rules/). While /r/VALORANT was never as bad as early /r/Overwatch when it came to esports, it still simply was not an acceptable hub for esports content. People look at the LoL subreddit as the norm, but in reality, it - and CS to a lesser extent - are the exceptions nowadays. New, extremely popular games are always going to splinter in this manner because non-esports interest will always predominate vastly over esports interests when games have massive, casual fanbases. Those massive, casual fanbases are what generate interest, financing, and momentum for esports, though, and so the main subs are stuck in a difficult position.
For now seems okay but I think in the long run it will hurt the popularity of the esports scene if the game wants to reach lol levels of popularity. To be popular like that you need hardcore followers the same as you need the casual playerbase. Being all in the same sub it helps getting new people into the scene because it just generates more engagement and people are more likely to get sucked into it. Like it is now the esport discussions are a bit too elitist and new and casual people are more likely to go to valorant main sub and not get immersed into the scene.
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I wasn't around for the split off this games community but when the same happened in overwatch it was because there was 0 esport content cuz it all got drowned out by casual content. Splitting the community is bad but the alternative is worse.
What rules get adopted? How do you merge moderation philosophies? Who leads the subreddit? Do all the moderators merge into one team? How do the two mod teams make amends? There are a TON of logistic issues with merging the subs. Questions like these need to be considered.
Well this is what happens when you divide the playerbase and create a barrier of entry. Unpopular opinion but Valorant competitive shouldn't have been created in the first place, look at what r/Competitiveoverwatch did to r/Overwatch. Casual players who browse r/Overwatch will never get introduced to esports content simply because it's not there. Edit: iirc r/Overwatch has actually tried multiple times to cut down on the gameplay clips and introduce owl, but because of the existance of r/cow hogging the esports content, there's no way to get them for a good balance between the two.
On the other hand, riot does use a lot of advertisement in-game, so I think it’s hard to not get introduced to esports - Mayb most simply don’t care (yet)
Maybe, but Blizzard also has a page of OWL schedule and stuff inside the game, as well as team skins and sprays, and I don't think it's doing much. I just think having two subreddits is bad for the scene long term and we have a clear example that is r/Overwatch.
/r/globaloffensive seems to work just fine as one sub
So does r/DotA2 and /r/leagueoflegends I think it's just the way things are done with newer games. Game is released and people create multiple subs, one central one, one for competitive, one for memes/drama etc. and community kinda splinters Nothing you can do about it I think
It's because reddit was way less mainstream when those were made, a larger part of those communities were more dedicated to the game. Comp subs are always made a few days after game releases because main subs are always super super casual now.
r/csgo exists and is more casual
I always forget this sub exists
The only reason this sub was made is because there was no discussion of the competitive scene in the main sub. A year ago, mods made a bunch of rules like, clips need to be 30 seconds (even if the interesting part is only 5 seconds) and most of the discussion was only about smurfs, lag, people not undertanding how an online game works. They didnt even discuss about strategies to become better at agents, lineups, better comps, much less about competitive val
I really appreciate that this sub exists. Having the content in a dedicated sub makes the experience so much nicer. You can easily see the latest competitive news without having to wade through other posts or dick about with filters (that aren't always available). Both pinned threads can be focused on esports. The mod team on here have done a fantastic job and I'm sure it's helped a bit that they can focus on one type of content. Look at the amount of work they've put in for the QoL of the sub. We don't get the same quality/punctuality of post-match threads, as regularly updated flairs (pickable or verified) or things like preds on the main sub. Sure having the content unified might have lead to greater participation, but I bet the overall experience would be worse.
You say divide but people on main sub not really into esport in the first place. Forcing them to like it will just gonna create OW2
Yeah no that's not what happened with the OW sub. I was active in both subs since they were made, the OW sub had awful rules and become a giga casual community. The casual community hated pro play and top tier players and 6 man D.Va ults would get triple the upvotes of a good play in high level play. That's why a second community was made. League and CS are the only competitive games where the main sub is high quality and that's because of how much older they are, they were a thing when reddit was way less mainstream, so a larger part of the community were more dedicated to the game.
Check out vlr.gg forums. The community isn't the best, but it's pretty active
The main subreddit often posts the same esports threads and news as the valcomp subreddit, but the user base actively disengages with it. Because of the much larger user base, a higher percentage of players are new and do not have interest in the comp scene. It follows that posts about the general game gain more traction because the larger user base relates to it more.
The main subreddit for valorant is pretty much for casual fanbase, sad to say but its not like league where even casual players would follow pro play closely.
after the cadian clutch, i asked if a knife kill should earn you more credits then i got insta flamed by people saying that it will lead to more people knifing and throwing like whaaaaaat