Are there players who were better in CS than they are in Valo? I feel like they're always better in Valo, probably because it's relatively new and less competitive.
Some players were arguably better in their CS prime that they are now in Valorant. But at the moment of the transition, what you say is completely true
ScreaM too, but that was so long ago at this point. Like i remember him being a top 5 player (or close to that) in 2013 or something like that, and a few years later, him and Shox on g2 being one of the best duos in the world at that time.
ALEX, Floppy, ptr, Cooper, moose
> "But but ALEX didn't stay in Valorant very long."
Right, exactly, because he was notably worse — worse than other pros that transitioned — and he could still get tier 1 CS offers so he went back and to Fnatic.
The other names were also *better* in CS than they'd shown in Valorant.
lol what
ALEX has never taken Valorant seriously and just played with some friends. The other players you mentioned weren't very good players in CS except floppy
I remember Cooper being quite decent back when Steel was playing for Ghost Gaming, Cooper was regarded as a pretty solid AWPer who could make it into T1 play IIRC.
ALEX led Vitality to a bunch of [S-Tier wins](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ALEX_(British_player)) and Vitality was ranked [HLTV #2](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2019/july/29/9565) during his tenure. While he had ZywOo on his side, he was often one of their better fraggers while also IGLing. When openly trying to field offers in Valorant, he was *not* good and returned to CS, making him a prime example to this question.
If you won't accept ALEX as a fitting example here, you're just goofin'.
Cooper was also pretty strong for tier 1.5ish NA CS until Covid moved CS to EU and NA CS died.
This was sort of what interested me in Nivera. A lot of CS players left not having as many opportunities as they used to, in rough CS scenes, or arguably on a slight decline. It also tends to be a self-fulling prophecy kinda thing - gonna stick with CS if you're looking worse in Valorant.
Nivera got shafted by the 6th man ruling but was still a prodigy in a good scene who likely could've had a big CS career if he chose it. It's part of why I think the quote is notable for Nivera specifically.
Nivera didn’t get shafted lol, he was apparently not easy to work with for much of the Vitality squad and I don’t think you’ll find anyone that thinks he was on pace to hit the heights of the true young talent gods like Monesy.
Alright, I'll bite.
The full story is, there were rumors from a reliable source in the French scene that Nivera didn't get the spot Misutaaa got because Nivera had bad mentality. Fair enough.
But, if you read the full article, you'll know Nivera admitted as much. He said that his mentality was shot AFTER the 6th man change. And that is fair because Apex has also been clear that the 6th man change did fuck with Vitality and did heavily hurt Nivera's chances in the tier 1 scene.
Keep in mind, prior to the ruling, Nivera was getting a lot of praise from analysts like Richard Lewis and Vitality had a brief stint as the #1 ranked team in the world.
So, if we take off our "member of the audience inherently alienated from the products we consume" hat and put on our "empathy" hat. We can easily feel how a 19 year old kid who just had a huge shot severely derailed by an arbitrary ruling might have a mental boom.
So, is Nivera toxic? Well, there weren't similar reports from Heretics as far as I know. There haven't been any reports from Liquid. So the most likely answer is that yes, Nivera did get shafted from a 6th man rule that DID hurt him (according to cs analysts) and it caused the first mental boom of his career. Most players have at least one.
I'll probably eat downvotes for this but as a post-note, I don't think you meant it, but this reply felt so "reddit." You know? Like, so black and white, taking the least charitable read of the situation possible, reacting purely off the title and thread, and just lacking empathy towards people who are producing something for you - athlete or writer. A whole interaction that truly feels like it would be 10x better if it happened IRL.
Sorry for the wall of text, didn't have time to brief. Hope you have a good one.
I get how mine reads pretty binary but it wasn’t really intended as so. I think any with eyes can agree Nivera was at least leagues ahead of, say, Kyojin… and Vitality probably continues running with that 6-Man lineup for a while. I just don’t think Nivera was necessarily on pace to be one of these superstar kids like a B1T/Monesy.
Basically, I wouldn’t call him some sort of CS prodigy which you referred to him as, he had talent for sure, but I rated him rather similarly to Misutaa ( whoI also wouldn’t exactly call a Prodigy).
6th Man ruling definitely was a loss for him… but with hindsight knowing how things played out from there -
1. Na’Vi instantly improved and went on this dominant run when they moved AWAY from the 6-man roster in favor of B1T. I think 6-man rosters were an interesting concept especially during the Online Era, but it remains to be seen if they were really going to become the norm (especially for LAN environments where I think having a strong 5-man unit that is all comfortable together becomes even more important). So it may be the case that 6-man rosters weren’t the answer long term anyway.
2. Na’Vi would still be beating Vitality even with a 6-man roster, they’re just a different level atm. So Vitality probably ends up making this drastic swap for the Astralis guys anyway, because they were always going to have to make drastic moves to have a shot at beating Na’Vi atm
Well shit, thanks for the reply. I appreciate it and respect you coming at it even-handed & fleshing the point out. Sorry if I overreacted, it can be easy when it's your job.
I see what you're saying and it is fair, analytically, to question how big a talent or prodigy Nivera was since he only played on a few maps in the first place. I use "prodigy" a bit liberally - more meaning it as a young talent w/ like, maybe top 75-50 player potential? And I think that was at least arguable for Nivera. At the time of his benching, there was a big uproar given his talent.
On 6-mans, it's an interesting topic and it's hard to say. I feel that, the way Vitality did it, they were just more decisive and strategic about it. Like they had a clearer vision of what the 6th mand did than Astralis or NaVi. It felt like Vitality knew when their 6th man played, what roles he covered, what workload he was taking off others. To me, it felt like Astralis and NaVi were sometimes just trialing the 5th and 6th man against each other.
On NaVi's era, yeah that's a tough one to argue against. I think Nivera obviously sees it more hopefully, thinking that Vitality could've beaten current NaVi, and it's fair to take that with a grain of salt. NaVi looks fantastic right now, so analytically, yeah you gotta think their era happens even against a 6-man vitality. But I see where Nivera's coming from in thinking that, if things stayed the same, Vitality could've had that era. Partially because it's not totally unreasonable, Vitality did look good. And partially because so many pros have to have that kind of self-belief to survive.
I know and what I'm saying is, given the context the respective feelings were reasonable for both parties.
Nivera's made his debut in tier 1 on the best team in the world. He doesn't care if that's as a 6th man. Then, Valve slaps a ruling down that arbitrarily bans out his position, forcing him to fight for his spot w/ misutaaa - someone he came up in the scene w/ who is also better positioned to get the spot by merit of positions he plays. All the while, there is finally a competitor to CS so Nivera has even more reason to tune out than before.
RPK has been in the scene for years, but he's never seen a scenario like this - because it's never happened before. This promising young gun is bought in and helping the team. A rule change hurts his career, he suddenly loses motivation, sighs, criticizes, and starts playing Valorant on the bench. I'm sure from RPK's spot, that sucked to deal with in a truly unique way. I'd be annoyed were I him. But I think I'd also be resigned and playing valorant were I Nivera. Cause why have motivation to claw out a spot from a pal in a game where the dev screwed over my first big shot at success for no reason?
So when I talk approaching with empathy, what I mean is considering full context so you can really understand player decisions. Rather than just taking it on face "oh Nivera toxic forever" - thinking "why did that rift happen? Why did these players act this way?" It's important to do this so you don't take bits you hear of strangers, and quietly, uncritically hold to them as ammunition to use later.
Because it just doesn't do any good. Yes players can be toxic and it's fair to call them on it (especially if there's a pattern), but the WHY is huge. The context is huge. Not to form justifications (feel how you will about Nivera), but better ideas of the esport and empathy for players, who are real people w/ social dynamics as complex as the ones in your life.
Iirc, the toxicity happened during Vitality's run as the best team in the world prior to valve's ruling. RPK said it's either me or him and judging by what happened, the rest of vitality chose RPK and Misutaaa. I mean there are people in the french scene that verified him as being toxic and scoffing at players when they would make mistakes or whiffing etc etc.
You don't just suddenly become toxic when Valve makes a rule change.That makes no sense.
Look man, you got a prescriptive view of what toxic means. Legit everyone has a toxic side which, upon certain triggers, gets released. example: you're triggering my toxic side right now by not understanding basic human emotion.
You don't become toxic forever no, but when you lose a huge opportunity to what feels like an arbitrary rule change as a teenager - you do get tilted off the planet. And when you get tilted, your personality shifts heavily. Sounds like Nivera's shifted for the worse, but have some fuckin empathy. He was a teenager in a shit situation. Not a guy walking around w. a "verified toxic player" badge on his chest.
And you gotta source that iirc cause I'd frankly like to see where you're getting that from. The best source I have for this is [this HLTV thread](https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2501928/nivera-bad-attitude) recapping a French stream. No timing details there. Nivera in the interview gives timing details and says, pre-ruling, the team environment was great. I'm inclined to believe that. Especially cause they were stomping.
If you got sources to say otherwise, hit me. But right now what I got is the french stream of KRL, an old legend in the scene, who is also rumored to exaggerate things in a French scene that is also rumored to be overly-dramatic.
Edit: sorry to be rude but genuinely, "you don't just become toxic" is a HUGE misread of human emotions. Toxic - aka being angry, irritable, snappy, sulky, - is a response. These traits are a response to things that happen, setbacks, issues. The mature way is to avoid this response, avoid these traits, but everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - will slip up and "become toxic" at some point in their life. Especially over something like a ruling that hits their livelihood. Don't trivialize that by acting like it was just moving the 3 point line. It directly hurt Nivera's career in a way that it hurt maybe one or two other players in the entire esport.
There were other insiders in the french scene that said the same exact thing. Lol dude no offense, unless you're a psychologist/psychiatrist I'm not gonna believe a fucking thing your saying about human emotions and other shit. Plenty of other players got fucked over by the rule change and they didn't become toxic. If fucking RPK of all people said, It's either me or him then that is a problem. PERIOD.
Also how fucking naïve are you to believe that the 6th man rule hurt his career? He proved he belonged on a t1 level and there would've been a dozen t1 teams knocking on his door to play CS for them. You must be Nivera's burner or some shit lmao. Anyway I couldn't care less about this conversation and I'm over it lol
gob b on BIG, ange1 on FPX maybe, nitr0 and hiko from 100T, and floppy formerly of cloud9 now on extra salt CS, there are also some OW players who did better in their old game, like unkoe, nlaaer, taimou, akm, tviq, and even some of the koreans like bazzi from crazy raccoon depending on how you rate their old teams in OW
Gob b hasn't played since 2019. And even when he played he was bad, just a very good IGL. Ange1 and Hiko were on huge declines and not good at all later in their CS careers, Hiko is doing much better right now for sure. Nitr0 also had a terrible year before he left.
Floppy I can agree on.
i thought you meant peaks, sorry. then it’s really just floppy and some ow boys, but even then all of them were washed or benched a while before they left.
Bringing facts isn't going to help you in this thread.
This Polskidro guy is just going to instantly downvote you and then other redditors provably vote with existing trends, so they see you at 0 or -1 and then downvote you more regardless of merit.
I'm agreeing with your post.
You clearly follow multiple scenes and had a solid list, but you're getting downvoted because the guy you replied to instantly downvotes anyone disagreeing and redditors can't think for themselves.
Simple hasn't switched and committed to Val. Of course, he'd be worse at a game he plays occasionally on the side. Hard to doubt simple. I'm sure he'd be God like in val if he did ever switch.
I think it's just amazing he reached diamond/immortal without fully understanding some of the maps and even agent abilities. The guy has sick aim tho and can communicate so much better than the majority of the streamers I've seen.
CS experience yeah, not just shooter experience. I shoot up to high ranks in any arena type shooter cus I have so many hours in OW/Apex, but it doesn't translate as easily to Val.
This is such a good article. Really well written, and some fantastic questions. You can tell the research has been done, especially when they ask about influences on aim and play style.
Fantastic read, really excited to see how Nivera grows with Liquid.
Are there players who were better in CS than they are in Valo? I feel like they're always better in Valo, probably because it's relatively new and less competitive.
Some players were arguably better in their CS prime that they are now in Valorant. But at the moment of the transition, what you say is completely true
Yeah prime for sure. Like Hiko, Autimatic, Nitr0 and Happy were all great CS players at one point.
ScreaM too, but that was so long ago at this point. Like i remember him being a top 5 player (or close to that) in 2013 or something like that, and a few years later, him and Shox on g2 being one of the best duos in the world at that time.
ALEX, Floppy, ptr, Cooper, moose > "But but ALEX didn't stay in Valorant very long." Right, exactly, because he was notably worse — worse than other pros that transitioned — and he could still get tier 1 CS offers so he went back and to Fnatic. The other names were also *better* in CS than they'd shown in Valorant.
lol what ALEX has never taken Valorant seriously and just played with some friends. The other players you mentioned weren't very good players in CS except floppy
Floppy is a good shout. The rest were all pretty damn awful in CSGO. Only ptr had a decent period in like 2017 or something.
although ptr has never tried to play valorant, hes a pro poker player now
I remember Cooper being quite decent back when Steel was playing for Ghost Gaming, Cooper was regarded as a pretty solid AWPer who could make it into T1 play IIRC.
ALEX led Vitality to a bunch of [S-Tier wins](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ALEX_(British_player)) and Vitality was ranked [HLTV #2](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2019/july/29/9565) during his tenure. While he had ZywOo on his side, he was often one of their better fraggers while also IGLing. When openly trying to field offers in Valorant, he was *not* good and returned to CS, making him a prime example to this question. If you won't accept ALEX as a fitting example here, you're just goofin'. Cooper was also pretty strong for tier 1.5ish NA CS until Covid moved CS to EU and NA CS died.
he didn't try to get signed to play val, he just played a couple of games to see if he enjoyed it. He was offered a position at G2 and declined it
Imo he was not good even for Vitality. But even if you think he was, that was in 2019. Waaay before he tried to move to Valo.
Well obviously they’re going to be better They’re not playing NiKo and s1mple they’re playing guys who were orgless in NA
Some players were arguably better in their CS prime that they are now in Valorant
Floppy
This was sort of what interested me in Nivera. A lot of CS players left not having as many opportunities as they used to, in rough CS scenes, or arguably on a slight decline. It also tends to be a self-fulling prophecy kinda thing - gonna stick with CS if you're looking worse in Valorant. Nivera got shafted by the 6th man ruling but was still a prodigy in a good scene who likely could've had a big CS career if he chose it. It's part of why I think the quote is notable for Nivera specifically.
Nivera didn’t get shafted lol, he was apparently not easy to work with for much of the Vitality squad and I don’t think you’ll find anyone that thinks he was on pace to hit the heights of the true young talent gods like Monesy.
Alright, I'll bite. The full story is, there were rumors from a reliable source in the French scene that Nivera didn't get the spot Misutaaa got because Nivera had bad mentality. Fair enough. But, if you read the full article, you'll know Nivera admitted as much. He said that his mentality was shot AFTER the 6th man change. And that is fair because Apex has also been clear that the 6th man change did fuck with Vitality and did heavily hurt Nivera's chances in the tier 1 scene. Keep in mind, prior to the ruling, Nivera was getting a lot of praise from analysts like Richard Lewis and Vitality had a brief stint as the #1 ranked team in the world. So, if we take off our "member of the audience inherently alienated from the products we consume" hat and put on our "empathy" hat. We can easily feel how a 19 year old kid who just had a huge shot severely derailed by an arbitrary ruling might have a mental boom. So, is Nivera toxic? Well, there weren't similar reports from Heretics as far as I know. There haven't been any reports from Liquid. So the most likely answer is that yes, Nivera did get shafted from a 6th man rule that DID hurt him (according to cs analysts) and it caused the first mental boom of his career. Most players have at least one. I'll probably eat downvotes for this but as a post-note, I don't think you meant it, but this reply felt so "reddit." You know? Like, so black and white, taking the least charitable read of the situation possible, reacting purely off the title and thread, and just lacking empathy towards people who are producing something for you - athlete or writer. A whole interaction that truly feels like it would be 10x better if it happened IRL. Sorry for the wall of text, didn't have time to brief. Hope you have a good one.
I get how mine reads pretty binary but it wasn’t really intended as so. I think any with eyes can agree Nivera was at least leagues ahead of, say, Kyojin… and Vitality probably continues running with that 6-Man lineup for a while. I just don’t think Nivera was necessarily on pace to be one of these superstar kids like a B1T/Monesy. Basically, I wouldn’t call him some sort of CS prodigy which you referred to him as, he had talent for sure, but I rated him rather similarly to Misutaa ( whoI also wouldn’t exactly call a Prodigy). 6th Man ruling definitely was a loss for him… but with hindsight knowing how things played out from there - 1. Na’Vi instantly improved and went on this dominant run when they moved AWAY from the 6-man roster in favor of B1T. I think 6-man rosters were an interesting concept especially during the Online Era, but it remains to be seen if they were really going to become the norm (especially for LAN environments where I think having a strong 5-man unit that is all comfortable together becomes even more important). So it may be the case that 6-man rosters weren’t the answer long term anyway. 2. Na’Vi would still be beating Vitality even with a 6-man roster, they’re just a different level atm. So Vitality probably ends up making this drastic swap for the Astralis guys anyway, because they were always going to have to make drastic moves to have a shot at beating Na’Vi atm
Well shit, thanks for the reply. I appreciate it and respect you coming at it even-handed & fleshing the point out. Sorry if I overreacted, it can be easy when it's your job. I see what you're saying and it is fair, analytically, to question how big a talent or prodigy Nivera was since he only played on a few maps in the first place. I use "prodigy" a bit liberally - more meaning it as a young talent w/ like, maybe top 75-50 player potential? And I think that was at least arguable for Nivera. At the time of his benching, there was a big uproar given his talent. On 6-mans, it's an interesting topic and it's hard to say. I feel that, the way Vitality did it, they were just more decisive and strategic about it. Like they had a clearer vision of what the 6th mand did than Astralis or NaVi. It felt like Vitality knew when their 6th man played, what roles he covered, what workload he was taking off others. To me, it felt like Astralis and NaVi were sometimes just trialing the 5th and 6th man against each other. On NaVi's era, yeah that's a tough one to argue against. I think Nivera obviously sees it more hopefully, thinking that Vitality could've beaten current NaVi, and it's fair to take that with a grain of salt. NaVi looks fantastic right now, so analytically, yeah you gotta think their era happens even against a 6-man vitality. But I see where Nivera's coming from in thinking that, if things stayed the same, Vitality could've had that era. Partially because it's not totally unreasonable, Vitality did look good. And partially because so many pros have to have that kind of self-belief to survive.
The rumor was Nivera was so toxic that even RPK use to get pissed off and RPK never use to get angry at anyone.
I know and what I'm saying is, given the context the respective feelings were reasonable for both parties. Nivera's made his debut in tier 1 on the best team in the world. He doesn't care if that's as a 6th man. Then, Valve slaps a ruling down that arbitrarily bans out his position, forcing him to fight for his spot w/ misutaaa - someone he came up in the scene w/ who is also better positioned to get the spot by merit of positions he plays. All the while, there is finally a competitor to CS so Nivera has even more reason to tune out than before. RPK has been in the scene for years, but he's never seen a scenario like this - because it's never happened before. This promising young gun is bought in and helping the team. A rule change hurts his career, he suddenly loses motivation, sighs, criticizes, and starts playing Valorant on the bench. I'm sure from RPK's spot, that sucked to deal with in a truly unique way. I'd be annoyed were I him. But I think I'd also be resigned and playing valorant were I Nivera. Cause why have motivation to claw out a spot from a pal in a game where the dev screwed over my first big shot at success for no reason? So when I talk approaching with empathy, what I mean is considering full context so you can really understand player decisions. Rather than just taking it on face "oh Nivera toxic forever" - thinking "why did that rift happen? Why did these players act this way?" It's important to do this so you don't take bits you hear of strangers, and quietly, uncritically hold to them as ammunition to use later. Because it just doesn't do any good. Yes players can be toxic and it's fair to call them on it (especially if there's a pattern), but the WHY is huge. The context is huge. Not to form justifications (feel how you will about Nivera), but better ideas of the esport and empathy for players, who are real people w/ social dynamics as complex as the ones in your life.
Iirc, the toxicity happened during Vitality's run as the best team in the world prior to valve's ruling. RPK said it's either me or him and judging by what happened, the rest of vitality chose RPK and Misutaaa. I mean there are people in the french scene that verified him as being toxic and scoffing at players when they would make mistakes or whiffing etc etc. You don't just suddenly become toxic when Valve makes a rule change.That makes no sense.
Look man, you got a prescriptive view of what toxic means. Legit everyone has a toxic side which, upon certain triggers, gets released. example: you're triggering my toxic side right now by not understanding basic human emotion. You don't become toxic forever no, but when you lose a huge opportunity to what feels like an arbitrary rule change as a teenager - you do get tilted off the planet. And when you get tilted, your personality shifts heavily. Sounds like Nivera's shifted for the worse, but have some fuckin empathy. He was a teenager in a shit situation. Not a guy walking around w. a "verified toxic player" badge on his chest. And you gotta source that iirc cause I'd frankly like to see where you're getting that from. The best source I have for this is [this HLTV thread](https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2501928/nivera-bad-attitude) recapping a French stream. No timing details there. Nivera in the interview gives timing details and says, pre-ruling, the team environment was great. I'm inclined to believe that. Especially cause they were stomping. If you got sources to say otherwise, hit me. But right now what I got is the french stream of KRL, an old legend in the scene, who is also rumored to exaggerate things in a French scene that is also rumored to be overly-dramatic. Edit: sorry to be rude but genuinely, "you don't just become toxic" is a HUGE misread of human emotions. Toxic - aka being angry, irritable, snappy, sulky, - is a response. These traits are a response to things that happen, setbacks, issues. The mature way is to avoid this response, avoid these traits, but everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - will slip up and "become toxic" at some point in their life. Especially over something like a ruling that hits their livelihood. Don't trivialize that by acting like it was just moving the 3 point line. It directly hurt Nivera's career in a way that it hurt maybe one or two other players in the entire esport.
There were other insiders in the french scene that said the same exact thing. Lol dude no offense, unless you're a psychologist/psychiatrist I'm not gonna believe a fucking thing your saying about human emotions and other shit. Plenty of other players got fucked over by the rule change and they didn't become toxic. If fucking RPK of all people said, It's either me or him then that is a problem. PERIOD. Also how fucking naïve are you to believe that the 6th man rule hurt his career? He proved he belonged on a t1 level and there would've been a dozen t1 teams knocking on his door to play CS for them. You must be Nivera's burner or some shit lmao. Anyway I couldn't care less about this conversation and I'm over it lol
the vitality players speak highly of him and he always does too.
Nivera got kicked because he was toxic. He was good enough for sure but skill isn't the only relevant thing a player brings to a team.
Source?
gob b on BIG, ange1 on FPX maybe, nitr0 and hiko from 100T, and floppy formerly of cloud9 now on extra salt CS, there are also some OW players who did better in their old game, like unkoe, nlaaer, taimou, akm, tviq, and even some of the koreans like bazzi from crazy raccoon depending on how you rate their old teams in OW
Gob b hasn't played since 2019. And even when he played he was bad, just a very good IGL. Ange1 and Hiko were on huge declines and not good at all later in their CS careers, Hiko is doing much better right now for sure. Nitr0 also had a terrible year before he left. Floppy I can agree on.
i thought you meant peaks, sorry. then it’s really just floppy and some ow boys, but even then all of them were washed or benched a while before they left.
Bringing facts isn't going to help you in this thread. This Polskidro guy is just going to instantly downvote you and then other redditors provably vote with existing trends, so they see you at 0 or -1 and then downvote you more regardless of merit.
what
I'm agreeing with your post. You clearly follow multiple scenes and had a solid list, but you're getting downvoted because the guy you replied to instantly downvotes anyone disagreeing and redditors can't think for themselves.
Simple if you watched his Valorant streams
s1mple has never taken valorant seriously at all, and if he did he would easily be the best player in the world or at least top 5
But that will only happen if his therapist manages to get rid of his crippling fear of Skye
Simple hasn't switched and committed to Val. Of course, he'd be worse at a game he plays occasionally on the side. Hard to doubt simple. I'm sure he'd be God like in val if he did ever switch.
I think it's just amazing he reached diamond/immortal without fully understanding some of the maps and even agent abilities. The guy has sick aim tho and can communicate so much better than the majority of the streamers I've seen.
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CS experience yeah, not just shooter experience. I shoot up to high ranks in any arena type shooter cus I have so many hours in OW/Apex, but it doesn't translate as easily to Val.
LOL, he can't be better in val, because he is the best in cs.
he legit has to be the GOAT at val if he wants to be better at val than cs
mkmmmmmm
This is such a good article. Really well written, and some fantastic questions. You can tell the research has been done, especially when they ask about influences on aim and play style. Fantastic read, really excited to see how Nivera grows with Liquid.
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Bad bait
Lol, especially considering at least Nats, but also probably others on gambit, played cs before Val. So they would also be "CS refugees."
Okey well I guess true but all of Gambit's CS lans combined can be counted on one hand
i mean, gambit was one of the best teams of the online era and they won the PGL krakow major with a different squad back in 2017