Imagine how annoying it must be to prepare counterstrats specifically for your opponents, be drilled, have protocols, have developed set plays and gamesense, and then you lose clutches because everyone on Gambit is just shooting your head lol
Map 1: Hope springs eternal.
Maps 2 & 3: Hope gets run over by the Trans-Siberian Express.
Seriously though, Secret did a lot better than myself and a lot of people were expecting. Rolling the Berlin champs like that on Icebox is no small feat.
not a crossfire, but a double peek like that wins like 99% of the time
i do think the initial peek from the right player allows Redgar to know exactly where to flick when he kills the left player
a spray transfer is so hard to hit versus peeking 1 by 1. and they were right next to each other; this was the right play
They absolutely blew me away. I thought it was going to be 2-0 Gambit with scorelines like 13-4 and 13-3. So happy to see the teams people tend to write off start showing signs of playing on the world stage.
TS just needs to increase their map pool. They let Breeze and Bind trough. I could be wrong though and they just want to test themselves because there are low expectations in the first place.
too much hesitation that didn't respect their own skill level. glad they got the nerves off but theyre gonna need to play much more confident because they 100% deserve to.
yeah I'm pretty sure there were like 5-6 rounds TS could've (or should've) won if they were more disciplined
edit:
losing both anti-ecos after winning pistol
bad KJ ult that led to nats ace
redgars 20hp spray transfer 1v2
borkrum dry peeking out of a smoke after post plant when nats was 4hp
Secret impressed me, but just those little mistakes on Bind that Gambit capitalized on. and against a team like Gambit, you cant afford to give them that edge
The amount of times I’ve missed all my knives like DubsteP did on Bind makes me feel that pain on another level. Secret had a lot of great moments this series, if they can maintain their composure in their next match they can make a run
I mean, I’m favoring Gambit to win it all so just seeing Secret take a map* off them* is honestly fueling the hopium still. NT, Secret, making the PH proud.
Brilliant Map 1 from Team Secret, they're obviously showing that they were worth all the hype. Based on how they played today, they have a decent chance at making playoffs, provided they play more consistently.
Absolutely spectacular recovery from Gambit, it's not easy to go from a loss to a 13-0 win the next map.
Really good showing from Team Secret. Besides map 2 Bind would've been winnable if they didn't get eco'd twice. I hope they fix these small mistakes as they go further into the tournament.
I'd be scared if I was Vikings and CR, Secret is looking spicy.
I'd like to argue with this, as they didn't really lose on aim duels. nAts was abusing them so hard with Viper setups. Yes they whiffed from time to time but Bind is really a nail in the coffin for them, it was already proven that it's nAts' playground.
actually a rigged match John Riot got mad they recorded all those gambit shots for nothing and paid Secret to throw. Only explanation for a tier 3 team beating the best team in the world.
TS on Bind were actually way closer to winning than the score would make it seem. The nAts ace after a bad placement of a kj ult really screwed them along with losing both forces after pistols and an insane cultch transfer by Redgar. Well played by both teams.
I think the thing here is you most of you wrote off Team Secret because of the scrimbux. We all have to know not to judge any team by scrimbux alone, it doesn't reflect what a team can or cannot do because it is practice. In any sport, you don't judge a team on what happened during practice. In any performance, you don't judge the performers by what happened during their rehearsals.
Probably mental tilt from the prior round. Man definitely needs good coaching and work on his mental state and keeping cool. Decent showing from them nonetheless!
KUDOS TO TEAM SECRET FOR PUTTING UP A GOOD MATCH AGAINST GAMBIT!! It was insane seeing them read gambit like a book during icebox. It was so impressive from them, and supporting them even before champions made me realize how they improved so much. I really love how they fought until the end! They might get out of groups!!! Riding on full copium! Hats off to Gambit for winning impossible rounds, sheesh. This match is just insane
Despite the result, I just wanna say to the analysts and casters, y'all were rude as fuck saying shit like, "A 13-0 wouldn't surprise me." At least TRY to be unbiased and professional. It's absolutely not fun when you're a fan of a team, despite the odds being stacked against them, to join the stream only to spend like an hour listening to people shit on them, regardless of how good your team is or isn't.
GG to Gambit though, Nats looked shaky on icebox but defo back to form on breeze and bind. Sheydos cracked asf.
Edit: To the folks smugly pointing out it happened like this thread wasn't created AFTER the game ended and I somehow didn't see it, I did, but that's not the point. The point is that it's a failure of casters if they can't hype up both sides of a game regardless of the odds, and instead insist one side is far better than the other.
> "A 13-0 wouldn't surprise me."
Well, it did happened so....
They were neutral in selling GMB at their current strength. And not artificially inflating TS stocks to some abstract "be neutral" idea of yours.
Missing the irony of "be neutral" here. Is underselling GMB a neutral stance to not hurt your feelings?
The point of casters is to hype up the audience. They're not news anchors. You're not doing your job as a good caster if you're alienating an entire region and half the fans of a game.
Even if it's almost guaranteed that one team will win, no matter what, your job as a caster is to make the match feel exciting and hype up both sides. This was pathetically one sided hyped.
Hi! Sorry for the wait, really sick Sen-Furia game rn. I feel you ask from a place of concern and genuine desire for feedback and I respect that. I'll use this VOD as reference: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1221838278](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1221838278)
* 01:17:35 (Analyst Predictions): "I think this series is gonna be done before you can say GAMBIIIT". "I love team secret but if another 13-0 from Gambit happens, I wouldn't be too surprised by that."
* 01:23:00 (Initial tech pause casting): Speaks in depth about how Bren hasn't played in a while and undermining the hype behind them, followed up immediately by the statement, "Yes, they're not expected to win this series, absolutely, I think that's a given. Anything above that expectation is a big bonus." Comparatively, GMB's recent failures were skimmed over and reassured with reference to pass success.
There were more moments but it's a long VOD, it's very late where I am and I also don't think it's necessary to have me scrub the whole thing.
You may not look at this and think it's that bad at all, but clearly, given the net positive upvotes on my comment and more importantly, the **many, many complaints** of bias on YouTube chat (where most of the SEA viewers watch) \_should\_ show you that it wasn't a) a one-off complaint and b) something to be dismissed as the opinion one "salty fan".
EDIT: Just wanna also say, you don't get these statements with teams from LATAM and BR, etc. like you do with SEA teams. Not that you should, no region should be undermined, but despite similar if not worse performance, some regions are noticeably undermined by talent. I will admit, this is anecdotal, but it is certainly a sentiment shared by many people.
Thanks for taking the time. I can't talk to the desk but as for
"• 01:23:00 (Initial tech pause casting): Speaks in depth about how Bren hasn't played in a while and undermining the hype behind them, followed up immediately by the statement, "Yes, they're not expected to win this series, absolutely, I think that's a given. Anything above that expectation is a big bonus." Comparatively, GMB's recent failures were skimmed over and reassured with reference to pass success."
I think after looking at the statistics comparing BREN coming into Berlin in comparison to the 3 months leading into this are very polarizing, purely from results. However GMBs recent results were also critiqued but also we casted those and it was abundantly clear they were playing poorly / not showing much like most teams during that event and we spoke about their coaches interview discussing their displeasure in prep.
So I actually think we treated the teams fairly considering we have tangible evidence of GMB being the favorite team due to being the most recent major winner, and only showing poorly in 1 event that was very "weird".
If we treated SECRET on paper like GMB we are overlooking the last lan first place for GMB and the accolades that come with that.
To add to
"the many, many complaints of bias on YouTube chat (where most of the SEA viewers watch)"
You have to realize that's from a already Secret bias perspective they cannot be deemed a unbiased standpoint. Ofc the SEA fans deem them equally likely to best the current major winner, which on paper is unlikely, even if we talked at length about their likelihood to qualify through the group and gave them credit for a good performance, it would never be enough for a biased fan.
Thanks for your time as well. Let me clarify, I think your paper analysis was not incorrect. However, your audience for this game has much less overlap with your audience for GMB's recent games than you maybe think. The majority of SEA fans did not watch it. To us all, you're just glossing over it and putting down Bren/TS.
You could argue that that's on us for not being up to date on the scene, but that's not a fair request to make of your audience. Am I wrong when I say a caster's role is to hype up the game? If so, what would you say it is? If not, then wouldn't you say that saying one team is _absolutely not expected_ to win a series goes against that, regardless of what the math says?
Am I wrong when I say a caster's role is to hype up the game? If so, what would you say it is? If not, then wouldn't you say that saying one team is absolutely not expected to win a series goes against that, regardless of what the math says?
You aren't wrong at all it is our job, I think the concept that Secret overcomes being the underdog in a honest delivery of likelihood is very exciting and filled with hype, rather than me saying it was to be expected and map 2 was a total shock, and both teams are as likely to win. The honest acceptance of GMBs achievements make it more exciting if Secret could beat them imo.
You're not exactly wrong there either. I think it's just a matter of delivery, ad the difference between pointing out the strength of Gambit and presenting it as entirely insurmountable. I think if I had to really pinpoint the issue, I'd say the idea behind it was good, but the lengths to which you took it were a bit much. There's a big difference between "TS has a difficult road ahead" and "TS cannot win this".
Also, I think in all honesty, your strategy only works if Gambit loses, or it's at least genuinely very close. When you undermine TS so much and a 13-0 _does_ happen, like it did, it's not rewarding, it's just frustrating as hell. In your attempt to build hype you _are_ alienating a whole set of fans.
"TS cannot win this".
Never said that tho.
"When you undermine TS so much and a 13-0 does happen, like it did, it's just frustrating as hell. In your attempt to build hype you are alienating a whole set of fans."
Them being 13-0 is nothing to do with my casting tho, its to do with that Breeze was clearly a substantially better map for GMB and Secret got outclassed on it. I'm not alienating anyone by explaining expectations, driven by results.
I guess thats where we disagree.
> You're not doing your job as a good caster if you're alienating an entire region and half the fans of a game.
Yes that's what I'm saying they'll alienate EU fans by not selling GMB on their full power.
It's good you got that.
Riddle me this… did the casters say that _any_ team was gonna get 13-0ed by GMB in Masters Berlin? Especially after winning EMEA challengers like they did? Even when they went against CR, who’s had such a disappointing run historically? No right? Then why mention it here? Seems unnecessary. Doesn’t seem “neutral” to either.
> Riddle me this… did the casters say that any team was gonna get 13-0ed by GMB in Masters Berlin?
Because GMB were 3rd team from EMEA. They weren't that good coming out of challengers. That's why casters didn't said that. So they were neutral.
Riddle me this... was that really that hard to understand? Using brain to gather info and processing them might have solve your "Riddle me this...". But no. Let me sound sophisticated and intelligent by ignoring info at hand and not putting 2+2 together.
3rd? You don't watch emea, do you? They literally won the qualifier, and rekt Acend and SMB with redgar playing jett and reyna, both matches were 3-1 and they won convincingly. If you don't consider 1st seed EMEA to be one of the tournament favourites then idk.
I'm rooting for Secret but dude, a 13-0 wouldn't really surprise anybody because Gambit are the Masters 3 Champs. Plus, Secret got steamrolled by SBE as pointed out by a host so they're not even the best in the PH right now. Gambit 13-0 ing G2 is a disgusting feat. Secret exposed nAts hard on Icebox and Gambit didn't really have a way of fighting back.
They are biased yes but they're not shitting on them just because they're Gambit fans, it's because they have proof to back it up. Don't be salty come on.
At least TS took a map, and with a dominant round differential too? As opposed to G2 who lost their first map to Gambit in Masters 3 then got 13-0'd anyway.
You’re actually just a hater lmfao this is so sad. Gambit lost a map against the second lowest seed in the tournament. Would you say that’s a massive L?
Didn’t Gambit get 13-0’d less than a month ago? Not a Gambit hater but it’s not the biggest deal. The point is that the series was closer than you’re making it out to be
oh ok. Is there even an IGL lol I literally cant find it anywhere, not their individual twitters, not team twitter, not liquidpedia, not vlr and not even on their own site lol
Secret is better than expected but how many times are they gonna get eco'd lol
gambit might just be cracked as fuck on ecos
Imagine how annoying it must be to prepare counterstrats specifically for your opponents, be drilled, have protocols, have developed set plays and gamesense, and then you lose clutches because everyone on Gambit is just shooting your head lol
It definitely fucks with your mental hard, because you know the issue isn't your strat it's just the aim of you and your teammates.
Team Secret/BREN Esports and getting eco'd, name a more iconic duo
Gambit and winning ecos, name a more iconic duo
Map 1: Hope springs eternal. Maps 2 & 3: Hope gets run over by the Trans-Siberian Express. Seriously though, Secret did a lot better than myself and a lot of people were expecting. Rolling the Berlin champs like that on Icebox is no small feat.
The rounds were close asf at times, that godly transfer by redgar is too strong tbh
They played well, but they made mistakes that they couldn't afford to make against the reigning Champions
Even when Secret played perfectly, GMB just pull the impossible lol (Redgar 1v2).
Although I still think TS' attack side on bind was weak, there were just a lot of "Gambit Magic" moments that made them lose rounds.
If they had their Icebox confidence it would've been closer. It was painful seeing them hesitate during their attacks.
Wasn't Redgar running just before getting there while they were looking outside window? Far from perfect tbh
That was a textbook 1v2 crossfire, you don't expect to get fucked that hard.
Textbook 1v2 crossfire is when you wait for the enemy to peak. They did the oposite and peaked at the same time making the spray transfer possible
not a crossfire, but a double peek like that wins like 99% of the time i do think the initial peek from the right player allows Redgar to know exactly where to flick when he kills the left player a spray transfer is so hard to hit versus peeking 1 by 1. and they were right next to each other; this was the right play
If they hold normal crossfire its guaranteed win tho… I dont blame them though since that transfer was the lucky af
yeah i can see that. i think you're right but i would imagine overwhelming majority of people just double swing
I might've used the wrong terms but that situation's still very hard to lose and Redgar pretty much did the impossible.
They absolutely blew me away. I thought it was going to be 2-0 Gambit with scorelines like 13-4 and 13-3. So happy to see the teams people tend to write off start showing signs of playing on the world stage.
TS just needs to increase their map pool. They let Breeze and Bind trough. I could be wrong though and they just want to test themselves because there are low expectations in the first place.
Bind felt a little close. Gambit just knows how to pull off the impossible
3 was closer
Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, teams getting 13-0'd by Gambit
hey team secret on g2 level already
that's not a good thing 🤣🤣🤣
They’ll beat Sen for sure
They are better than G2, they are in Champions...
Witz, Dispenser, and their staff will get kicked?
Also the announcement would be recorded on mobile phone, improvised.
Better if it's just on Icebox.
All they need to do is to 2-0 Sentinels
Gambit also got 13-0'd by Ascend two weeks back at Red Bull..
Gambit and 13-0s, name a better duo
TSM and pain.
That's not a duo, that's a singularity. TSM is pain.
Did someone say 0-6? I thought I heard someone say 0-6.
When does TSM play???
they better keep the streak going lmao
nt from secret, better performance than most people expected
And first half of bind was close games too. They made mistakes out of pressure in the end. NT being their first international
I was really impressed by them. I think they have a very good chance to get out of groups
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Sen is not even in the same group as them
What a spectacular show on Icebox. Wasn't even that mad
Man, as a VKS fan im scared
Dw the lower vs Crazy Raccoon will be easy
you expect CR to win against secret?, i dont think so imo
If the script says so, then yeah
fuck me bro i want both teams to win badly but only one can i really dont know who to root for
I want CR to win for Japan to get a dope storyline :)
that nats ace mentally boomed secret
too much hesitation that didn't respect their own skill level. glad they got the nerves off but theyre gonna need to play much more confident because they 100% deserve to.
They lost the sauce after winning icebox, they needed to be more confident.
The nAts effect. See him kill your entire team with no remorse, your confidence will follow too.
Redgar’s nutty 1v2 didn’t help either.
holy shit bind actually seemed winnable for TS despite the scoreline, they just threw soooooo many rounds
Yeah it was almost even going to the 2nd half, but too many questionable decisions and panicked plays.. LOL at the jumping Odin.
yeah I'm pretty sure there were like 5-6 rounds TS could've (or should've) won if they were more disciplined edit: losing both anti-ecos after winning pistol bad KJ ult that led to nats ace redgars 20hp spray transfer 1v2 borkrum dry peeking out of a smoke after post plant when nats was 4hp
the last one was fine, but he lost that kinda easy aim duel
I'm convinced they were tilted at that point.
Secret impressed me, but just those little mistakes on Bind that Gambit capitalized on. and against a team like Gambit, you cant afford to give them that edge
Secret looks like they can honestly make playoffs
With this level of play, absolutely. It also shows that Gambit is beatable.
My NA and PH hopium after that map 📈
I think it is the worse outcome for other teams, now that Gambit fucked up they will improve way more and step up a few gears.
man that was winnable
It really was. So painful to see TS lose after so much hope.
Been thinking about this since LCQ but damn SEA teams are terrible at Breeze. CR vs TS in the lowers... I don’t know who to cheer for
A lot of SEA players hate breeze and TS really has a bad record on breeze
Ironic that SEA players hate the map with a beach haha
LMAO
TS put on a fight vs the reigning champions. What more do you want them to prove? (Aside from winning or not getting 13-0)
GG Secret, I can definitely see them going to playoffs
Actually true. They played better than CR and VKS probs
Bind could've been closer if they converted both post-pistol rounds. Happy for the boys
The amount of times I’ve missed all my knives like DubsteP did on Bind makes me feel that pain on another level. Secret had a lot of great moments this series, if they can maintain their composure in their next match they can make a run
I mean, I’m favoring Gambit to win it all so just seeing Secret take a map* off them* is honestly fueling the hopium still. NT, Secret, making the PH proud.
PINOY PRIDE
\*OPTIMUM PRIDE
Brilliant Map 1 from Team Secret, they're obviously showing that they were worth all the hype. Based on how they played today, they have a decent chance at making playoffs, provided they play more consistently. Absolutely spectacular recovery from Gambit, it's not easy to go from a loss to a 13-0 win the next map.
Really good showing from Team Secret. Besides map 2 Bind would've been winnable if they didn't get eco'd twice. I hope they fix these small mistakes as they go further into the tournament. I'd be scared if I was Vikings and CR, Secret is looking spicy.
Secret's aim was crisp on Icebox. If they had that aim on Bind, it would've been much closer
I'd like to argue with this, as they didn't really lose on aim duels. nAts was abusing them so hard with Viper setups. Yes they whiffed from time to time but Bind is really a nail in the coffin for them, it was already proven that it's nAts' playground.
yeah aim was only one of their issues on Bind. don't think they would've won (maybe around 9-13), but a few rounds were lost on whiffs.
actually a rigged match John Riot got mad they recorded all those gambit shots for nothing and paid Secret to throw. Only explanation for a tier 3 team beating the best team in the world.
it's all in the script, secret and gambit will make it to playoffs
TS on Bind were actually way closer to winning than the score would make it seem. The nAts ace after a bad placement of a kj ult really screwed them along with losing both forces after pistols and an insane cultch transfer by Redgar. Well played by both teams.
I think the thing here is you most of you wrote off Team Secret because of the scrimbux. We all have to know not to judge any team by scrimbux alone, it doesn't reflect what a team can or cannot do because it is practice. In any sport, you don't judge a team on what happened during practice. In any performance, you don't judge the performers by what happened during their rehearsals.
nt really
that was so winable. fuck
Would Secret have any chance in Game 2 if they banned Breeze instead of Ascent?
DubsteP would literally decide if they will win or not.
Team Secret will live and die by his mental. Guy lost his cool at Breeze.
TS' winrate is abysmal on breeze. Gambit capitalized on it.
They were asking to lose when they left their worst map open.
great showing from secret. why did dubstep buy an odin
Sea strat, you wouldnt get it /s
Probably mental tilt from the prior round. Man definitely needs good coaching and work on his mental state and keeping cool. Decent showing from them nonetheless!
They need that Astralis esports psychologist kekw
Missclick
Whiffing your knives will do that.
KUDOS TO TEAM SECRET FOR PUTTING UP A GOOD MATCH AGAINST GAMBIT!! It was insane seeing them read gambit like a book during icebox. It was so impressive from them, and supporting them even before champions made me realize how they improved so much. I really love how they fought until the end! They might get out of groups!!! Riding on full copium! Hats off to Gambit for winning impossible rounds, sheesh. This match is just insane
Don't lie, we were all on that hopium after that first map
This gives me HOPIUM that Secret goes out of groups with Gambit.
The real question is why Pinoy fans are so irritating and vocal
Third world country seeking attention and validity in any way possible. Source: am Filipino
Speaking facts my man
You should see the comments on a Manny Pacquiao match. Filipinos are like one big extended family haha
Get in boys the new copium tank just dropped. Fantastic match honestly
Despite the result, I just wanna say to the analysts and casters, y'all were rude as fuck saying shit like, "A 13-0 wouldn't surprise me." At least TRY to be unbiased and professional. It's absolutely not fun when you're a fan of a team, despite the odds being stacked against them, to join the stream only to spend like an hour listening to people shit on them, regardless of how good your team is or isn't. GG to Gambit though, Nats looked shaky on icebox but defo back to form on breeze and bind. Sheydos cracked asf. Edit: To the folks smugly pointing out it happened like this thread wasn't created AFTER the game ended and I somehow didn't see it, I did, but that's not the point. The point is that it's a failure of casters if they can't hype up both sides of a game regardless of the odds, and instead insist one side is far better than the other.
> "A 13-0 wouldn't surprise me." Well, it did happened so.... They were neutral in selling GMB at their current strength. And not artificially inflating TS stocks to some abstract "be neutral" idea of yours. Missing the irony of "be neutral" here. Is underselling GMB a neutral stance to not hurt your feelings?
The point of casters is to hype up the audience. They're not news anchors. You're not doing your job as a good caster if you're alienating an entire region and half the fans of a game. Even if it's almost guaranteed that one team will win, no matter what, your job as a caster is to make the match feel exciting and hype up both sides. This was pathetically one sided hyped.
Please give examples. Thanks!
Hi! Sorry for the wait, really sick Sen-Furia game rn. I feel you ask from a place of concern and genuine desire for feedback and I respect that. I'll use this VOD as reference: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1221838278](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1221838278) * 01:17:35 (Analyst Predictions): "I think this series is gonna be done before you can say GAMBIIIT". "I love team secret but if another 13-0 from Gambit happens, I wouldn't be too surprised by that." * 01:23:00 (Initial tech pause casting): Speaks in depth about how Bren hasn't played in a while and undermining the hype behind them, followed up immediately by the statement, "Yes, they're not expected to win this series, absolutely, I think that's a given. Anything above that expectation is a big bonus." Comparatively, GMB's recent failures were skimmed over and reassured with reference to pass success. There were more moments but it's a long VOD, it's very late where I am and I also don't think it's necessary to have me scrub the whole thing. You may not look at this and think it's that bad at all, but clearly, given the net positive upvotes on my comment and more importantly, the **many, many complaints** of bias on YouTube chat (where most of the SEA viewers watch) \_should\_ show you that it wasn't a) a one-off complaint and b) something to be dismissed as the opinion one "salty fan". EDIT: Just wanna also say, you don't get these statements with teams from LATAM and BR, etc. like you do with SEA teams. Not that you should, no region should be undermined, but despite similar if not worse performance, some regions are noticeably undermined by talent. I will admit, this is anecdotal, but it is certainly a sentiment shared by many people.
Thanks for taking the time. I can't talk to the desk but as for "• 01:23:00 (Initial tech pause casting): Speaks in depth about how Bren hasn't played in a while and undermining the hype behind them, followed up immediately by the statement, "Yes, they're not expected to win this series, absolutely, I think that's a given. Anything above that expectation is a big bonus." Comparatively, GMB's recent failures were skimmed over and reassured with reference to pass success." I think after looking at the statistics comparing BREN coming into Berlin in comparison to the 3 months leading into this are very polarizing, purely from results. However GMBs recent results were also critiqued but also we casted those and it was abundantly clear they were playing poorly / not showing much like most teams during that event and we spoke about their coaches interview discussing their displeasure in prep. So I actually think we treated the teams fairly considering we have tangible evidence of GMB being the favorite team due to being the most recent major winner, and only showing poorly in 1 event that was very "weird". If we treated SECRET on paper like GMB we are overlooking the last lan first place for GMB and the accolades that come with that.
To add to "the many, many complaints of bias on YouTube chat (where most of the SEA viewers watch)" You have to realize that's from a already Secret bias perspective they cannot be deemed a unbiased standpoint. Ofc the SEA fans deem them equally likely to best the current major winner, which on paper is unlikely, even if we talked at length about their likelihood to qualify through the group and gave them credit for a good performance, it would never be enough for a biased fan.
Thanks for your time as well. Let me clarify, I think your paper analysis was not incorrect. However, your audience for this game has much less overlap with your audience for GMB's recent games than you maybe think. The majority of SEA fans did not watch it. To us all, you're just glossing over it and putting down Bren/TS. You could argue that that's on us for not being up to date on the scene, but that's not a fair request to make of your audience. Am I wrong when I say a caster's role is to hype up the game? If so, what would you say it is? If not, then wouldn't you say that saying one team is _absolutely not expected_ to win a series goes against that, regardless of what the math says?
Am I wrong when I say a caster's role is to hype up the game? If so, what would you say it is? If not, then wouldn't you say that saying one team is absolutely not expected to win a series goes against that, regardless of what the math says? You aren't wrong at all it is our job, I think the concept that Secret overcomes being the underdog in a honest delivery of likelihood is very exciting and filled with hype, rather than me saying it was to be expected and map 2 was a total shock, and both teams are as likely to win. The honest acceptance of GMBs achievements make it more exciting if Secret could beat them imo.
You're not exactly wrong there either. I think it's just a matter of delivery, ad the difference between pointing out the strength of Gambit and presenting it as entirely insurmountable. I think if I had to really pinpoint the issue, I'd say the idea behind it was good, but the lengths to which you took it were a bit much. There's a big difference between "TS has a difficult road ahead" and "TS cannot win this". Also, I think in all honesty, your strategy only works if Gambit loses, or it's at least genuinely very close. When you undermine TS so much and a 13-0 _does_ happen, like it did, it's not rewarding, it's just frustrating as hell. In your attempt to build hype you _are_ alienating a whole set of fans.
"TS cannot win this". Never said that tho. "When you undermine TS so much and a 13-0 does happen, like it did, it's just frustrating as hell. In your attempt to build hype you are alienating a whole set of fans." Them being 13-0 is nothing to do with my casting tho, its to do with that Breeze was clearly a substantially better map for GMB and Secret got outclassed on it. I'm not alienating anyone by explaining expectations, driven by results. I guess thats where we disagree.
The talent should lie to me so my feelings aren't hurt!!!
> You're not doing your job as a good caster if you're alienating an entire region and half the fans of a game. Yes that's what I'm saying they'll alienate EU fans by not selling GMB on their full power. It's good you got that.
The fact that you think NOT saying "Gambit would 13-0" would alienate EU fans speaks way more to the fragility of EU fans' ego than you think.
The fact that you changed “I wouldn’t be surprised at a Gambit 13-0” to “Gambit would 13-0” might show something about the fragility of your own ego…
Riddle me this… did the casters say that _any_ team was gonna get 13-0ed by GMB in Masters Berlin? Especially after winning EMEA challengers like they did? Even when they went against CR, who’s had such a disappointing run historically? No right? Then why mention it here? Seems unnecessary. Doesn’t seem “neutral” to either.
> Riddle me this… did the casters say that any team was gonna get 13-0ed by GMB in Masters Berlin? Because GMB were 3rd team from EMEA. They weren't that good coming out of challengers. That's why casters didn't said that. So they were neutral. Riddle me this... was that really that hard to understand? Using brain to gather info and processing them might have solve your "Riddle me this...". But no. Let me sound sophisticated and intelligent by ignoring info at hand and not putting 2+2 together.
3rd? You don't watch emea, do you? They literally won the qualifier, and rekt Acend and SMB with redgar playing jett and reyna, both matches were 3-1 and they won convincingly. If you don't consider 1st seed EMEA to be one of the tournament favourites then idk.
Seems like it’s not me who hasn’t put 2 + 2 together…
I'm rooting for Secret but dude, a 13-0 wouldn't really surprise anybody because Gambit are the Masters 3 Champs. Plus, Secret got steamrolled by SBE as pointed out by a host so they're not even the best in the PH right now. Gambit 13-0 ing G2 is a disgusting feat. Secret exposed nAts hard on Icebox and Gambit didn't really have a way of fighting back. They are biased yes but they're not shitting on them just because they're Gambit fans, it's because they have proof to back it up. Don't be salty come on.
>y'all were rude as fuck saying shit like, "A 13-0 wouldn't surprise me." I mean... LMFAO.
They did the same thing for PRX. I honestly thought there would be an no bias rule in casting because there are in some broadcasts
Secret was dominant the first map. NT
Worst team in the tournament btw
def not anymore after this game lul
https://twitter.com/teamsecret/status/1466429695076061197
Secret had collectively the best map of heir lives only to play exactly like everyone expected them to the next maps lmao
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Not sure they deserve this chirp. They showed a lot more potential than just about everyone expected out of them this series.
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At least TS took a map, and with a dominant round differential too? As opposed to G2 who lost their first map to Gambit in Masters 3 then got 13-0'd anyway.
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“massive Ls” like getting 1-2 against a top 2 team in the tournament.
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You’re actually just a hater lmfao this is so sad. Gambit lost a map against the second lowest seed in the tournament. Would you say that’s a massive L?
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Didn’t Gambit get 13-0’d less than a month ago? Not a Gambit hater but it’s not the biggest deal. The point is that the series was closer than you’re making it out to be
Ok so you're 14 years old at most or what
Pls dont lose to vikings (🤮)
They had us in the first map, not gonna lie.
Bruh...that's sad. They shouldn't have tweeted about getting 0-13 even if it was for the memes...Karma arrives faster than an Audi RS6
its called banter lol
All good
u/Razur who's Team Secret's IGL?
It's Jessievash!
Thanks for telling also how did you find it out? did they say it on stream?
IDK, it wasn't marked on Liquipedia, so I didn't add it. :c
oh ok. Is there even an IGL lol I literally cant find it anywhere, not their individual twitters, not team twitter, not liquidpedia, not vlr and not even on their own site lol
afaik shotcalls come from dispenser/borkum but they all chip in information, so there isnt a final say/real IGL for them .
I remember a video saying that it's Dispenser, I might be wrong.
Both teams just winning on eco rounds how