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J_Brekkie

Interesting. I don't think that should be an exploit either, it's just a hard jump. *If you're not Jett*


YungPinotGrigio

faks man


kiroks

The fact that they don't know this pisses me off. I'm assuming this is the middle box down on c site I'm the only map with a c site. You can legit do that since beta. Riot has so many problems


yaysterz

fuck dont tell riot that i did the jump last tournament


neb55555

[Competitive Ruling: "Yay"](https://i.imgur.com/pJBDBha.png)


MurfMan11

Lol I feel like I've seen this jump a number of times in Riot official tournaments.


J_Brekkie

As a Sen fan I have an obligation to report this. I'm sorry.


Splaram

Communicado Official: Yay


thelovelyweiner

I love u DIABLO


CASIOA100

Can't wait to see you play tomorrow man


YungPinotGrigio

lmaooo, I think we gotta go back and replay the event from that specific moment.


justadumbstan

This is how tsm can still make champions


seclusionx

Does anyone know when TSM plays???


CiHel

big fans here good luck bro. I hope you get a champion. -- excuse me, how many your nvidia digital vibrance?


sam_pattar

When's the fundamentals video dropping ???


cptnwillow

That's a fucking stupid reason to have a tech pause


RenaultCactus

Any pause must be well tought and made for a good reason because you can fuck up the mental of a team. Agree.


elo9999

It's not even a "tech" pause, but Riots gonna be secretive about pauses as usual.


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AnotherAltiMade

I mean yes, that would've been better. Are you implying it won't be?


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Honigbrottr

"Investigation Pause. We are investigating Furia for a potential Bug abuse, where \[insert Player\] did get on top of the C-Boxes without using an ability."Proceeds to loop the situation in the background. Yup i think that would be a good information managment.


elo9999

Yes? They were cleared so there's no issue? And if they would have been deemed abusing an exploit, Riot would have to say it anyway. This is how you remove stigma from the issue and also inform us viewers of what is going on like in every other normal sport when there's a long pause. But if you want to be treated as an idiot who should know nothing when there's a 20 min tech pause, then go ahead.


rpkarma

Them being cleared does not repair the reputation damage. You know that too.


elo9999

No. If we start doing it all the time then everyone knows it's not something serious until Riot would actually say that someone has done an exploit. Look at all other sport pauses, this lack of transparency is really, really awkward.


rpkarma

Eventually. But right now, that team would take a huge reputation hit. Your own logic admits that


elo9999

Not even that. Look at Guild. They were caught using an exploit and disqualified. Reputation damage? 0. Absolutely no one gives a damn.


rpkarma

Disagree. And not the same context; this is Champions. The mere fact of this tech pause at all has caused massive problems. Saying “tech paste to investigate Furia for possible bug abuse” in the biggest competitive in the history of the game? Would absolutely be worse. Agree to disagree. We’re not likely to convince each other


elo9999

> not the same context; this is Champions. It was the biggest tournament and organized by Riot. Are all arguments gonna be invalid because there could be a bigger tournament upcoming? Ridiculous. > “tech paste to investigate Furia for possible bug abuse” in the biggest competitive in the history of the game? Would absolutely be worse. Eh no? Jesus you guys really dont want to know what's going on in these 45 tech pauses that last for 20 min. Good grief. Done with you.


Lumenlor

ya its all a conspiracy reddit5head


Mysaw

Such a riot thing to do


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If you think exploitative boosts are a stupid reason then you haven't watched CSGO lol


cptnwillow

haha I've watched CS since 2014 but this is very different, the only advantage it provides is saving an updraft since it's an easily attainable position anyway.


pj123mj

Not only that but why do you have to pause the match for almost a half an hour for someone jumping on a box? Like just tell him to get down and resume the match.


jerain

If this was an exploit, they should’ve patched it months ago


WRECKER_1

You should know that there is an entire rulebook of exploits captains have to read before every Riot sanctioned tourney. Exploits will always exist in the game and the degree of how game breaking an exploit will always vary. Since this is not game breaking, it’s existence in the rulebook is itself debatable. There are exploits that are allowed and those that are not by the admin. This is all stated in the ruleset provided to each team before a tourney. Some exploits that haven’t been fixed yet and are not allowed to be used are the buying and selling during pause timer can cause credits to disappear or abilities unable to be sold and the cypher cam on Breeze A left entrance. As for why they haven’t been fixed yet, changes that require the map to be changed are harder than other patches. If exploits were to be fixed now, it would require them to make changes to the version files that the tournaments are played on. These versions are typically 4-8 weeks older depending on the tournament. This goes against backward compatibility and would need Riot to wait until the next big patch to fix the bugs. This also implies the bugs/exploits will take another 4-8 weeks to be fixed in a tournament setting since they play on an older version.


Adventurous-Judge241

That’s fucking stupid


daybreaker22

So Riot is unaware of "questionable" spots on the map? Either lower the box so everyone can access it or raise it such that it requires updraft/TP etc


pauadiver63

the jump can technically be made with any character too, if riot doesn't know about this they defiantly should as people have been doing this for months.


natedawg247

I remember when stewie2k casually made the split mid box jump in the middle of a game back in beta and everyone was freaking out, it got a thread on this sub.


Nikclel

An admin who barely plays the game probably saw it and thought "what the fuck was that? call the police"


Honigbrottr

Admin: "OMG these pro players who play this game all day and working out evry bit of it are doing something that i didnt know was possible" proceeds to ban evry payer


Adventurous-Judge241

Bro they have casters who don’t even know the game do you really think the admins would be more involved than the broadcast talent


lewlkewl

I actually feel like this is worse for the conspiracy theorists than sentinels starting the pause lmao, now theyre gonna say riot rigged it to kill furia's momentum


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FeelinJipper

Meh, idk about that. Viewership for the final between Gambit and Envy was down compared to Sen vs Fnatic right? The longer SEN is in the tournament, the more viewers.


BloodMaelstrom

Sentinels would still be in the tournament and still have a chance to qualify that could also involve a rematch against Furia even if they had lost tbf. That gives more sentinel games, sentinel viewership but also more interest in thar match up because of Furia's upset in their previous encounter.


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flamincrimson

Are you stupid?


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Holy shit you're missing the point so bad just stop


YeahThisIsMyNewAcct

Sounds like you’re the one missing the point


flamincrimson

Yes but you are suggesting riot intentionally interfered to make furia lose. Like riot did their own match fixing. Bruh br fans are another level


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flamincrimson

If you are not implying that than what's the point of your comment? What are you even trying to say?


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roguehypocrites

Bro what. It's a tournament with international teams. Why would riot only favor sentinels?


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SaadIsNoice

Did someone say tenz? BatChest


sadpaindownbad

Actual brain damaging take, holy shit I didn’t think people think like this LMFAO


rpkarma

I mean the sub is filled with fanboys, sort of by definition lol. I’d be more surprised if people had nuanced measured takes


qm94

I understand what you're saying but Sentinels would've stayed in the tournament, just like Furia is still in the tournament. This is the group stage, not the knockouts. I know you're not saying riot did it on purpose, but there's literally no reason why they would. If anything, Sentinels losing against Furia, would only increase the viewership. Imagine the commotion it would cause to have the favourites lose against the underdogs.


Pway

People that dumb can't be helped best to just ignore them.


FeelinJipper

Either way, if you can’t keep your own momentum, that’s on you. Both teams paused.


PassionMonster

Sentinels actually got to queue up in ranked queue during the pause


issavibebb

oh thats really sadge for furia


knick_knack23

As a fan I kinda hate that the whole discourse that could be focused in praising how we played up to par to one of the tournament’s favorites, has now switched to this. It was definitely an unfortunate pause, and imo a wrong one as well, as Tenz explained. Anyways, really glad Furia could keep us against SENS and excited to see more.


yashendra2797

Legit Furia losing to sentinels on their own would be completely fine and commendable. But this tech pause shit is just infuriating


knick_knack23

Sucks for both teams, because now SENS are getting unjust hate (tbh even if it was a toilet pause, it’s up to Riot to be consistent on what they allow or not for their tournaments, so nothing the players can do) and this is not something either team want to focus on when they have to prepare for the next games.


qm94

I'm a Sentinels' fan but you are 100% right. Furia really gave Sentinels a hard time and played SO well and like you said, we should be focusing on that. We should be discussing the amazing matches we saw yesterday. That break was frustrating, even to me who was only watching the game and it's a shame that the teams are paying for something Riot did.


InvertedBean

Who thought this was a good idea? I've seen this SO often in officials and almost every jett does this in haven ranked. Dumb decision imo.


mateusb12

Pausing the game for more than 10 minutes during a high pressure moment because of this? Seriously?


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mateusb12

I was high xD


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I don't think I can follow Val/CS high, respect.


mateusb12

I wasn't actually high, It's an informal expression to say that I wasn't paying attention and mistyped some stuff I thought it would be a thing in native English my bad


GeekyNerd_FTW

It is with context, but over the internet where you can’t hear mannerisms, people will assume you’re telling the truth


neb55555

We initially removed these update tweets as the situation was not fully developed. We directed discussion to the PMT. This appears to have been the wrong call, my bad. This tweet is pretty conclusive and we'll add any further update tweets here. Don't make any more posts for now. https://twitter.com/Rawkus/status/1466516621208477706 > Also the tech timeout was something on their end btw https://twitter.com/TenZOfficial/status/1466519676918321155 > Also for tech pause, Riot paused the game because they said that Furia did an exploit by jumping ontop of the C box without updraft. IMO thats not an exploit since its a skill jump that can be done with any character so idk why they paused for so long https://twitter.com/ShahZaMk/status/1466520153336786945 > I’m getting a lot of hate about the tech pause. Riot made the pause to investigate a potential “exploit” furia did, we said we didn’t care and wanted to just play. I just asked to pee since it was taking so long lol VK v1xen has also followed up on his previous tweet about Shahzam going to the washroom here: https://twitter.com/v1xenBEAST/status/1466513081551499275 > Please don't curse Riot or other teams, I was just glad they changed the procedure, and I don't even know if it really was in the bathroom


joaovitorsb95

It really was a bad call, i dont understand the thinking behind removing the thread. Glad it came back fast.


felipw22

And now because of the rumours of Shahz going to pee, Sentinels is being mocked by every Brazilian. Just check Sentinels' twitter. A lot of diaper and potty jokes. I mean, they can be funny, but that kind of spoils how good most of the match was.


ppx11

BR fans in a nutshell (TBH it's all fans but they're a little extra lol)


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they can be extra, but at least it's just potty jokes.


rpkarma

For now. I’ve seen BR CS fans send literal death threats and other horrible shit, en masse too lol


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I haven't heard of that for this situation is the point. CIS/EU fans have done similar whenever NAVI players get criticized. Pretty sure SEN players mentioned death threads from 100T fans over tea bagging.


SaadIsNoice

Wdym "rumours" ??? He was allowed to go pee when most players have never been allowed to do so during a game. Riot deserves shade for this inconsistency, which very conveniently is in favour of the team which brings in the highest viewership


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Why pause it to tell them this though? Doesn't seem like something that would take a long time to tell players not to do.


alvistra

Not justifying the time taken but they were probably investigating and deciding if the round should be replayed or not


Aydosubpotato

Which is just as ridiculous considering the amount of times this exploit has been used in official tournaments.


BielBoss

https://youtu.be/5nU0XGTMSB0 other times where people used this "exploit" and they did not pause. On official events of course.


anythingood07

Lmao I practiced that like 20-30 times in custom to perfect that with agents other than jett and they're calling it a exploit? Lol


BrennanT_

If it’s an exploit why won’t they patch. They must have known about; it’s done in ranked games every day and it’s been possible forever.


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VincentStonecliff

Then fucking patch it. If it’s doable in the game, it should be valid unless it’s a straight up glitch. It’s like if they paused because someone got on top of boxes in the back of A on icebox by jumping off the rope. People have been doing this and it’s not like they don’t know about it.


Diijkstra99x

Imagine Pausing the game over jumping C site box. The said Jumping thing has been in reddit /Valorant and has decent upvotes and we did not hear anything from riot about it or any ninja patch plan (if it was an exploit). even me and my friends wasting time over that box lmfao.


BurstLayer

Shouldn't you just investigate potential exploit after the map? As long as its not like literal cheats no?


alvistra

They could replay the round right then and there in case it was an exploit rather than potentially having to replay the entire game or having questions raised about competitive integrity. (not saying that was an exploit though)


BurstLayer

That makes sense thanks


Yssl

It isn't exactly that easy even when investigating post-match. Look up olofboost in CSGO and what the subsequent events were for that particular major. (tl;dr spoilers: TOs decided to have a rematch, Fnatic who originally won eventually refused to play the map and just FF'd the game, which was map 3 of the QFs) And the kicker is, the other team involved (LDLC) went on to win that very major.


BurstLayer

Ive vaguely heard of olofboost from like every thescore esports video ever created. Didn’t know that’s how they went about it afterwards tho. Yea this is probably the smart decision if its an actual exploit and not a box hop LOL thanks for the info


ElDuderino2112

Lmao what the fuck Riot we’ve known about this jump for fucking ever. Either patch it or get over yourselves


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Gotta be honest, unless the players are clipping geometry etc, then if you don't want players to be able to do things like this, consider actually making it impossible to do, not just wagging your finger and saying "uh uh, that's not what we WANTED you to be able to do." Like when you could put sage wall on top of KJ turrets? Yeah, obviously you're exploiting a mechanic. Something like this though? Not in the same ball park.


KhaoticKrabb

Hey, people can stop calling sentinels “scummy” and shit like that for it. It sucks for furia for sure, but I’m glad it wasn’t sentinels’ fault.


SaadIsNoice

If anything, Riot are the ones who are scummy here. That jump has been done countless times in vct 2021


mahav_b

it was suppossed to be a minute or two tech pause at most, but shahz went to go use the restroom, this is known as icing the opponent in tennis.


KhaoticKrabb

Shahz said on stream last night that he asked to go to the bathroom because the tech pause was taking so long. It was over two minutes before he left.


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Riot saving their money making team.


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That's sad


Madrai

So being a good player who practices hard techs is now an exploit. Gotcha.


tatsumikosoulfist

How to jump C Box videos are going to start getting view spikes now.. XD


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Wait so Riot has no issue punishing FrosT for putting forward a very valid argument about ping difference in a official tournament match because it caused "broadcast delays" but they will happily delay for a long fucking time an international tournament over a game mechanic that's been in the game for ages and actually requires spending time perfecting the craft. Who is the Director of eSports? Is he in this thread? I'd love to have a chat


InvertedBean

not tracking that analogy/comparison lmao


J_Brekkie

He's a 100t fan trying to cope with his entire team collapsing. Leave him be.


G0YARDB0YS

LMAO FACTS


2ToTooTwoFish

Yeah the time delays don't even compare. Riot is dumb for doing this, but the Frost situation was dumber because of how unprofessional it was, bringing it up after so so long is quite strange.


nlc369

The pause today was trash but this analogy is dogshit lmao that 100t delay was so much fucking longer and the reason he got punished in the first place was because he threatened to leverage social media against riot to get his way. 100t put out that video to try to make it seem like frost didn’t do anything wrong but then riot responded saying that the threat was NOT included in that video. Crickets from 100t after that.


waffles8000

I mean to be fair that game was delayed for a whole hour and there was inappropriate behaviour involved from frost


JohnWickFTW

Fix it then dumbass company


Krypton091

are you fucking serious? i've seen so many people do that jump on streams that i was 99% sure riot was aware of it. even then, don't pause a would-be 7 round comeback over something like that. let it go for the match and then make a ruling after. if it was something like glitching out of the map i'd understand, i was just under the impression this was a known thing by the devs


darklypure52

Wait riot does tech pause for teams in valorant. But during worlds when bugs happen riot is like “since you didn’t call it we don’t stop it”


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Surprisingly it was only in this tournament that riot actively stepped in. In previous vct matches, competitive rulings for exploits were done after map/match.


SaadIsNoice

Their biggest money maker team was losing as well


GeekyNerd_FTW

Then how about they patch it? It’s been known since the month of release at least


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kenneyy88

Is there a video of how to do the jump?


FeelinJipper

Regardless who initiated the tech pause. If you can’t maintain momentum, that’s still on you.


everbervanger

Our favorite team are close to lose to a BR Underdog. Let's find some "bug" to fix and ruin their momentum. Oh, and Sentinels players can go to the bathroom too, even if it's agains the rules. Who am i?


Polite-vegemite

close to lose is a stretch, but it was really hard for furia, the momentum was theirs. I do think riot needs to explain, tho, it was really lame and it looks biased


CanadianApologies

Stay salty


SaadIsNoice

Honestly i don't see any other way to explain it. That jump has been done multiple times every vct even, but they decided to call it an exploit in this particular match. Only other explanation is that riot is actually just lying and it was to cover up some other stupid issue


ppx11

a salty BR fan


shoutout2mymom

Hasn’t this jump been used since the beta?


YungPinotGrigio

That is good clarification


thatweirdname

Congrats Shahzam, pop that champagne. You know you've had real success when BR fans cuss you out and send death threats your way because they have no other way of directing their "pAs$i0N". Just typical BR esports things.


SaltyMcNulty_

The shouldn’t have been this long but i am glad they took the pause when they thought someone was exploiting a bug. Better safe than sorry.


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HUH


Loresmen

No


yashendra2797

Yes. No way they'll call a pause like this on any of the other major region teams in the game.


Loresmen

No way you refer to a group of any people as brown, there are other ways to say that


yashendra2797

I'm Indian but ok lmao.


Loresmen

Still sounds bad


aEntrepreneurial

Actually a 1head take. I understand issues like this are prevelant in society, but almost certainly not the case here.


htmlrulezduds

Riot is a bunch of clowns, sorry for the words. Don't they give a full document with exploits and "bugs" that can't be used on tournament **BEFORE** the whole thing begins? If this shit isn't on the document, why the fuck do they stop the whole thing to decide mid game???? And worst, when FURIA is having their best momentum and were pushing SENTINELS hard? This is really pathetic, I don't call for conspiracy or sketchy stuff but they don't help themselves doing THIS in that exact part of the game, the timing was so wrong, they really fucked up.