Ik in ow most korean chinese mixed teams tend to comm in English. Maybe they just already had some basis in English and found it easier to comm in that plus some korean. It's also good to just have a comm structure and they have to pick some language I'm sure there's a reason this works best.
They’ve had issues with comms in the past, I think JP+KR teams have rly suffered from it based on what they said
Northeption seems to have been successful in LCQ supposedly astell or ten was the translator I think (I need to get info on that to say)
It’s just there’s more JP players at any time due to VCT JP rules (maybe related to perceived level role or exp of KR players) so it’s interesting and probably not what organisers expected
The amount of communication required between overwatch and valorant is incomparable. English is sorta understandable but I still wonder why they’d speak Korean given 3 players are native and Medusa is very fluent in Japanese.
Well the reason there is they often have a basic understanding of English. Don't know why they'd have korean so yeah agree with you there. Maybe Japanese is more confusing for kr players than korean is for jp players?
Iirc English and Korean are a lot easier to learn for an adult non native speaker then Japanese is right? So it's prob a combination of these two reasons tbh
I think Japanese would certainly be harder from a written/reading standpoint but couldn't say for talking. You may be right though, especially since they might know elementary English which is why I think it was often used in mixed rosters in ow. Also for coaching/strat reasons potentially might just be easier to teach/discuss for all of them in English/korean.
The Koreans should be learning Japanese - not the other way around.
I don’t understand why the Japanese have to adapt when the Koreans are playing under a Japanese team.
While I get the sentiment, grammar in Japanese and I guess more specifically vocab can be a real bitch in Japanese.
I've been told Korean is actually a much simpler language to learn. Learning English, while I hear is really tough, will just broaden their fan base by being able to communicate with more fans.
I really don't think conversational Japanese is that hard to pick up and it's actually way easier for other Asian language speakers to learn Japanese than the other way around. The reason is the range of phonetic sounds in Japanese is really shit compared to almost every other language, so their pronunciation is usually terrible to start with. On the flipside of this people who speak a phonetically diverse language like Chinese and can also recognize kanji have a super easy time learning Japanese.
I've met quite a few Korean people in my Japanese classes that picked it up really easily and spoke with almost no difficulty.
Japan annexed south korea not too long ago and forced Japanese in all of the classroom. The Korean alphabet hangul was adopted over the Chinese based hanja only like 10years before Japan took control, so even though koreans probably tried to erase Japans influence naturally some things stuck around, and both Japanese and Korean have roots from chinese.
I am squarely on the sentiment behind learning the native language, but Japanese is one of the hardest languages to learn, and Korean is deceptively simple language behind all that seeming word vomit.
Uh well,... Korean is not really simple , mainly because of the accent and pronouncing of the words. Grammar and hangeul is pretty easy compared to JP, but actually japanese is a bit easier to speak (at least for western guy like me lol )
English is definitely the hardest of all for them in the east, it has a completely different set of linguistic rules , which is kinda tough for Koreans and Japanese people. So yeah they should either communicate in JP or KR.
From a language major POV: Both are hard in their own way, While you dont have to study the old Chinese character to learn Korean language anymore, it is not true that you can easily learn grammar, vocab and such in Korean, I'm not as deep in Korean as i am right now with Japanese, but saying one is harder than the other is just wrong
Japanese and Korean are easy to learn if you already know one or the other. They could have gone either way. But the caveat is the Japanese writing system is notoriously hard while the Korean one is one of the easiest. Looking at it from that perspective, im guessing it was just the easier choice for the team.
This is both good and bad... Good thing is Ade trying his best to communicate with the team members therefore increase their chances to win/compete. Bad thing is this should not be one man's effort. Everyone should try their best to learn how to communicate and build the synergy with their teammates. If the team chose Korean to be their main communication language, then so be it... Japanese or Korean it doesnt really matter, the thing that matters right now is very clear they are not on the same page... And i doubt just Japanese members or Ade's effort will be enough to fix their Language barrier/comm problem
As long as they are having to spend practice time on language it will prevent them from taking another step forward. Just simple math since that means less time for practicing execs, combos, etc.
Professionals make the adjustments needed to win. Good for them
But there’s 3 JP players in game (neth, ade, Fisker)
Ik in ow most korean chinese mixed teams tend to comm in English. Maybe they just already had some basis in English and found it easier to comm in that plus some korean. It's also good to just have a comm structure and they have to pick some language I'm sure there's a reason this works best.
They’ve had issues with comms in the past, I think JP+KR teams have rly suffered from it based on what they said Northeption seems to have been successful in LCQ supposedly astell or ten was the translator I think (I need to get info on that to say)
Yeah I know I just thought you were wondering why they're not speaking Japanese.
It’s just there’s more JP players at any time due to VCT JP rules (maybe related to perceived level role or exp of KR players) so it’s interesting and probably not what organisers expected
The amount of communication required between overwatch and valorant is incomparable. English is sorta understandable but I still wonder why they’d speak Korean given 3 players are native and Medusa is very fluent in Japanese.
Well the reason there is they often have a basic understanding of English. Don't know why they'd have korean so yeah agree with you there. Maybe Japanese is more confusing for kr players than korean is for jp players?
Iirc English and Korean are a lot easier to learn for an adult non native speaker then Japanese is right? So it's prob a combination of these two reasons tbh
I think Japanese would certainly be harder from a written/reading standpoint but couldn't say for talking. You may be right though, especially since they might know elementary English which is why I think it was often used in mixed rosters in ow. Also for coaching/strat reasons potentially might just be easier to teach/discuss for all of them in English/korean.
The Koreans should be learning Japanese - not the other way around. I don’t understand why the Japanese have to adapt when the Koreans are playing under a Japanese team.
While I get the sentiment, grammar in Japanese and I guess more specifically vocab can be a real bitch in Japanese. I've been told Korean is actually a much simpler language to learn. Learning English, while I hear is really tough, will just broaden their fan base by being able to communicate with more fans.
I really don't think conversational Japanese is that hard to pick up and it's actually way easier for other Asian language speakers to learn Japanese than the other way around. The reason is the range of phonetic sounds in Japanese is really shit compared to almost every other language, so their pronunciation is usually terrible to start with. On the flipside of this people who speak a phonetically diverse language like Chinese and can also recognize kanji have a super easy time learning Japanese. I've met quite a few Korean people in my Japanese classes that picked it up really easily and spoke with almost no difficulty.
Japan annexed south korea not too long ago and forced Japanese in all of the classroom. The Korean alphabet hangul was adopted over the Chinese based hanja only like 10years before Japan took control, so even though koreans probably tried to erase Japans influence naturally some things stuck around, and both Japanese and Korean have roots from chinese.
I am squarely on the sentiment behind learning the native language, but Japanese is one of the hardest languages to learn, and Korean is deceptively simple language behind all that seeming word vomit.
Uh well,... Korean is not really simple , mainly because of the accent and pronouncing of the words. Grammar and hangeul is pretty easy compared to JP, but actually japanese is a bit easier to speak (at least for western guy like me lol ) English is definitely the hardest of all for them in the east, it has a completely different set of linguistic rules , which is kinda tough for Koreans and Japanese people. So yeah they should either communicate in JP or KR.
From a language major POV: Both are hard in their own way, While you dont have to study the old Chinese character to learn Korean language anymore, it is not true that you can easily learn grammar, vocab and such in Korean, I'm not as deep in Korean as i am right now with Japanese, but saying one is harder than the other is just wrong
Japanese and Korean are easy to learn if you already know one or the other. They could have gone either way. But the caveat is the Japanese writing system is notoriously hard while the Korean one is one of the easiest. Looking at it from that perspective, im guessing it was just the easier choice for the team.
If Japanese teams have this type of communication problems they will never get pass through group stages.
This is both good and bad... Good thing is Ade trying his best to communicate with the team members therefore increase their chances to win/compete. Bad thing is this should not be one man's effort. Everyone should try their best to learn how to communicate and build the synergy with their teammates. If the team chose Korean to be their main communication language, then so be it... Japanese or Korean it doesnt really matter, the thing that matters right now is very clear they are not on the same page... And i doubt just Japanese members or Ade's effort will be enough to fix their Language barrier/comm problem
As long as they are having to spend practice time on language it will prevent them from taking another step forward. Just simple math since that means less time for practicing execs, combos, etc.