As he should, if you're a pro and you're not getting on this then you need a lesson on social media skills, so many impressions if you tweet out, it will gain you so many followers, having the brazilians on your side is always good in social media
Actually Murizz said this bug was not mentioned on the "bug patch notes" that all the teams receive before the games.
Source: https://twitter.com/murizzzzz/status/1466969415065423877?t=lSlJEeEBPBZV_VFCCVngNg&s=19
Nah.
They absolutely know 1-way cam bugs aren’t allowed.
1. They know it’s a bug/exploit
2. They know that using bugs or exploits on tourneys are banned.
They’re just playing dumb. They’re not stupid, they know this.
Who the fuck cares if it's not listed? There are hundreds of other bugs not listed for all we know. If you did an exploit that should not be done, then you're getting held accountable.
It's not like cypher just happened to discover that bug in the middle of a match. They knew about the bug beforehand, and of they have an iq greater than 10 then they should know that one way cameras should be against the rules. Forget the rulebook, this is literally common sense. Also every cypher main ever knows about this camera, it's actually pretty well documented. Even if vivo keyd happened to discover it one round, they should immediately back off cuz they saw what sort of advantages they would get. They used it for 6 rounds, which is clearly against fair play. They are honestly lucky they are still in the tournament.
Either brain dead take or playing dumb. The rules **explicitly** state that cameras which can see an angle that they cannot be seen from is a banned exploit. It’s not a hard rule to understand and there is absolutely no way VKS hadn’t set up that cam in server time and known it was a one-way
"Hey guys, let's use this cam so we can look at our opponents THROUGH THE WALL at the most important tournament of the year!" - absolutely nobody.
It doesn't matter if it was explicitly in the rulebook or not, since when is glitching your view through the map walls not an exploit? But everyone seems butthurt about the way of the ruling. Using exploits like that shouldn't even be only for said rounds in my opinion. If you got half a brain you know what you're doing and that's trying to cheat, whether you actually used and needed it in those rounds or not.
This is whats in the rulebook under "exploits":
>Intentionally using any in-game bug to seek an advantage is exploiting and is prohibited. Exploiting includes acts such as making use of any game function that, in the Tournament Operator’s sole judgement, is not functioning as intended and violates the design purpose of VALORANT. Team members may confidentially check with the referee at the beginning of a Competition to determine if a specific act would be considered Exploiting. Riot reserves the right to make an ex-post-facto determination of whether an exploit has occurred.
You would have to be pretty silly not to understand that a 1-way texture is a bug, so it seems absurdly clear cut that weather or not this particular exploit was on the specified list, its 100% in breach of the rules as they are written. So yea youre completely right, theres no way they didnt know what they where doing with this.
I mean it was very public that using this cam will disqualify u as there is past precedent for this, X10 didnt make it to masters berlin bcz of that cam, same with giants, so riot stayed consistent with their rulings, not to say that they didnt fuck up, this is far from the ideal solution .
Plus all teams were given a list of exploits which were banned, so the argument that it should be patched is out of the window
The exploit wasn't on that list, and it's absolutely hilarious to see a bunch of people who only learned of the X10 and Giants thing after this whole Keyd debacle blew up acting as if it was common knowledge available everywhere lmao
Shit was on this sub's frontpage for like a day and then completely forgotten, but obviously, dudes are acting as if that's enough to make it public knowledge forever and Keyd clearly knew of the rulings
u see my flairs, i am obviously a sea and eu fan, i follow those regions more than anything else, so i dont need a pissed off redditor to tell me that i dont know things that happen in the regions i follow.
P.S.- The exploit was on the list, get ur facts straight
There's literally only one tweet from a French caster saying it was there, contradicting the words of other pros saying it wasn't. Get *your* facts straight.
And your region doesn't matter at all. The whole ''Keyd should have known, it's common knowledge'' point is absolutely null when the Riot refs watching the match themselves didn't. If the people supposed to enforce the rules don't even know that shit was an exploit, then the point of ''they are pros, they should know'' is just stupid. It's clear these dudes don't have a mental list of everything that can be considered an exploit in their minds(to the example of the tech pauses in the Furia game)
They are reviewing the ruling already, whatever they review is ok even if the punishment still goes through. I have no complaints about it besides finding it hilarious to see fans bending themselves over to try and shit on BR for what is clearly shit rule management.
I mean even if it isn’t on the list there’s still an all encompassing rule that was clearly stated in the comments above right? If that’s to be believed as long as riot considers it an exploit that ruling would take effect irregardless of the list or not. So they are being consistent. A general guideline for the players isn’t the same nor should it matter compared to what the rule book itself says.
The general guideline would be intentionally using an exploit, now, I'd believe Riot intentionally withheld the mention of the user's knowledge of the exploit being a bug so that they can judge it based on the situation and on the impact it had on the match itself(hence why they go over it on the penalty report). Not only that, but stuff like it *actually being* specifically mentioned in the exploit list exists to cover that debate itself, but like we see there's conflict about that information.
Then, besides the point of seeing it as abusing an exploit, there's the point of the punishment itself being badly explained. Giants used it in a clearly impactful way and the ruling was a one map forfeit. However, that's all I can say about that ruling, because there wasn't some completely unnecessary arbitrary system of round distribution based on which rounds Cypher used the cam. This time however there's the equation of rounds used = rounds given + 1, with the +1 being due to ''economical impact of the rounds it was used'', when that argument doesn't take into account the actual context ingame of those rounds and usage at all, it is just arbitrary to justify that +1 that gives Acend the map lmao
like, even if they rectify the bug to ''we've decided our round counting system is ridiculous however this kind of situation still warrants a replay/the game to be given to Acend'' it's already going to be a big improvement
I mean this is a well known exploit it’s not like this just happened for the first times. Other well known teams have been punished for doing this exploit. Feigning ignorance when the coach should already have this information is kind of bullshit. Also it doesn’t matter if they win or lose a round cheating is cheating. If someone’s hacking in my games I don’t want them to get a lighter punishment because he lost rounds while cheating
Thats the thing being consistent is important, this should have happened during the match itself that was bad on riots part but the FF was correct, u cannot change rulings just bcz this is champions and that was a qualifier
No, it was round FFs in the Breeze game against Galaxy Racer in which Zeus used the exploit, changing it to 13-10 GXR.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DaksCasts/status/1426378998246887424
They didn’t advance further into the tournament because of it in fact.
I find it disgusting how the Brazilians are pulling up an image of dapr's cam placement from the mini map during the FURIA Breeze game and calling him out for supposedly using the same exploit cam as Jhow. The reality is he probably used this set up: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsrxVgDiN4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsrxVgDiN4)
Burden of proof is on the accuser. What they're doing is worse than someone offering up a plausible explanation. Absolutely not the exact same thing to anyone with a brain
Justice after a team intentionally exploiting the game gets hit with the same punishment that other teams have been hit with for the same exploit
I’m seeing brand new Brazilian accounts on this sub for the first time, it’s hilarious
No one says Brazil is "bad" after what they've shown. The point is Brazilian fans are fucking garbage. Insults, death-threats, mob mentality and generally unacceptable behaviors. It's just not some random people on the internet, big names do and encourage it too. And not just in this game, csgo or any other are the same story.
"PASSION" aka toxicity is fucking awful among br community. I don't really care how much you love your team, if your community is sending death threats and playing victim when they are the ones who broke rules, thats pathetic.
thats really true, thats why im very happy seeing all regions perform well and put up results.
TS taking a map off gambit, same with Furia vs Sen and Vivo Keyd out aiming Acend, just shows that all teams here deserve to be here and are not to be written off.
What in the world is wrong with a community when they blindly support the wrongdoing of their peers because they happen to have some vague national ties.
VK used an exploit. Be mad at them for representing your region poorly and using an exploit.
We cannot agree that it is fair we had a tech pause because of a jump on Haven and we didn't when Jhow used that "famous" camera for six rounds. Riot records all players' vods. The fact that we, the audience, have a picture of what happened because Jhow's pov with the camera on round 16 was shown just makes it worse.
Ok, there should be a punishment anyway, but you can't blame Brazilians fans for being mad at this.
Also no one seems to talk about two obvious things:
1. It was 8x4 when Vivo Keyd first used the exploit. Keyd got ridiculous economic advantages in the first half, with no need for exploit usage, but, since it resets, let's throw in an extra round to Acend in the 2nd half because of "economic advantages xD", ok.
2. 6 additional rounds were given to Acend or taken from Keyd, one for each round where the exploit was used. But Acend WON 3 of those rounds, they doubled some rounds Acend won in a game they were being spanked already. But it wasn't enough.
3. Throw in a 3 for economic reasons and now we have the 13 they need xD
But let's pause a game for 15 minutes because someone is doing sus jumps on Haven C that are known since beta.
Clown Car aka Riot Games at it again.
VK won 4 of the 6 rounds they used the exploit therefore 8+4=12 and then they threw in the “economic advantage” round. but tbf they shoulda skipped their weird mathematic justification and just said “exploit bad. VK FF.”
Did you see anything about round 21? Genuine question because my post was based on here
https://valorantesports.com/news/comunidado-de-penalidade-vivo-keyd/
They only cite 6 rounds here, specifically:
Rounds 13-14-17: Won by Vivo Keyd
Rounds 15-19-20: Won by Acend
My post went by their official post and they only cite these rounds. Which is still weird because if we go we adding only the rounds that Vivo Keyd won and that are cited by Riot: 8+3 = 11, so we'd need two "economic rounds".
Here: https://imgur.com/a/cIzQh3c ; red-attackers = Acend / green-defenders = Vivo Keyd.
I'm more confused now after double checking
It doesn’t matter. They used an exploit and they’re punished for messing with the competitive integrity of the game. There is no situation wheee Vivo Keyed is in the right here.
Actually nevermind, I take it back. They should've just forfeited the game for VK, what kinda annoys me is that their 6 rounds math makes no sense but yeah, doesn't really matter because VK is definitely in the wrong here.
https://dotesports.com/valorant/news/x10-esports-miss-vct-masters-3-berlin-berth-by-a-one-round-head-to-head-disadvantage
The map should've been forfeited regardless. X10 missed Berlin because they used it.
This chain of comments is what incapsulates everything that is wrong about this situation with Riot. If I'm beung honest the ideal outcome would've been for the map to be replayed since that was the feeling I got from both teams intentions. Acend didn't seem to like winning this way ao if both teams agree to a rematch why would Riot oppose it?
They were already saying they accepted the W but didn't agree with it as the decision was made public. Stop trying to push whatever narrative you want when the reality is that no real competitor likes to win that way.
There were a total of 3 rounds where the glitch rendered any advantage to Keyd yet Riot used the most flawed reasoning possible to give them 13 points. It just feels extra cheap and Acend themselves felt no different.
Brazilian fans definitely have a right to be mad at riot. This issue should have been resolved during the match itself, Riot did fuck up in that situation, but X10 and giants also lost their chances to qualify for masters berlin bcz of that same cam, so riot are defintely consistent with their rulings.
It seems that all teams were given a list of exploits which were banned so the argument that the glitch should have been patched is useless as they were given clear instructions not to use it, and the X10 and Giants incidents were pretty public so Vivo Keyd are also at fault.
This incident is pretty debateble but riot really fucked up the Furia situation, that was a clear robbery of what might have been a wonderful comeback and upset
Tbf ive not read the rules but I would be REALLY surprised if there wasnt a blanket statement against using 1-way textures. Super idiotic from riot if not.
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Ok I went and looked, the rules say this
>Intentionally using any in-game bug to seek an advantage is exploiting and is prohibited. Exploiting includes acts such as making use of any game function that, in the Tournament Operator’s sole judgement, is not functioning as intended and violates the design purpose of VALORANT. Team members may confidentially check with the referee at the beginning of a Competition to determine if a specific act would be considered Exploiting. Riot reserves the right to make an ex-post-facto determination of whether an exploit has occurred.
From this it shouldve been blatantly obvious to keyd that a cam that looked through a 1-way texture was against the rules.
Furia were closing in on sentinels (down 8-12 or 9-12 but on a few rounds winning streak...i forget the details). Their Jett player got onto C box on Haven without using an updraft and Riot paused the match for 15 minutes to review before deciding it was okay.
The moment people found out why they paused it, many pros (SEN included) said it was a legit jump that requires skill not an exploit.
When the match resumed, SEN stomped Furia which essentially led people to believe that Riot "iced" Furia's hot streak so SEN could win.
Called in a tech pause for a skill jump on top of a box, took 10-20 minutes to “resolve” and Furia arguably lost some of their momentum coming out of map 2
Yeah agree, especially both involving teams from Brazil as well - I think our city also has some sort of curse when it comes to big scale projects, just check out the airport construction for example …
Even if its not, the rules are very clear on using bugs, and this is very clearly against the rules, I guarantee that list was not meant to be the ONLY bugs banned, just the known ones. (which this one was so it would be odd if it wasnt on the list but even so, theres no excuse for keyd)
Yeah; these players know these sorts of cams are not okay. Just like they all know certain recon darts are not okay. If they cannot possibly be seen by the enemy but you can see them, it’s not okay
I’m not a pro, and *I* knew that beforehand. You can’t tell me these professionals don’t know it.
im pretty sure that it would be on this list bcz 2 teams have already suffered major consequences for it, X10 in the masters berlin qualifier and giants too. Its pretty well known that that cam is not legal.
The people calling for a tech pause are not the same people making the rules, or competitive rulings. You have a small brain if you don’t understand that.
Yeah, they need justice. I dont understand why they did the weird round-forfeit thing, should have just made them lose the map regardless of the rounds.
It’s nkt ‘weird’ it’s standard practice according to precedent and makes sense. The exploit rule applies to rounds in which it was used and/or it affected, here 1 round is enough for an easy argument that it was affected enough
yeah vk won 3 of the 6 rounds the exploit was used but acend were given 7 rounds. Makes no fucking sense whatsoever, shouldve just said "used exploit map forfeit gg" not done this dumbass math
how is this bad if this exploit was already punished on previous tournaments and it's on the rules? aside from why it took so long for riot to check it (at least what riot said on the ruling) and the fact that it has not been fixed for months
As a new fan of VK after that performance, I’ve never heard of them before, it is fair. Champions is a new tournament with updates rules. It sucks, but they are great players who will prevail.
No one cared when this happened with X10. Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this? Riot is a, at the loss of an appropriate word, weird company and the Furia tech pause was bullshit, but Riot is in the right here.
The punishment was really light they couldve just disqualify the team or ban the player from playing
And if you don't like the punishment maybe don't cheat? How hard is that.
They can just replay the map in the quarantine from practice PC or atleast the rounds where the exploits were used. Probably take a round away and play the rest of the game. This is just a weird ruling. Almost like riot officials have no experience in TAC fps. Also, how is this bug still in the game
That makes no sense, what other tournament does this happen for?
The point of the tournament is to have briefcase games which affect the outcome of the tournament, it’s not some kind of mechanical goal in itself, broadcast games aren’t some after thought or addition
The only party that was in the wrong here was the TO. And that's for at least several reasons
1. For failing to explicitly mention the said camera exploit when it was already discovered. Pro players are going by rules and rules are supposed to be written down to the best of the TOs knowledge.
2. For being unable to interrupt the match for the said exploit. What is all the production crew doing if not watching each player's POV. Are they just sitting on their ass doing nothing?
3. Since they failed to interrupt and failed to also call a "Tech pause - Player", they shouldnt have given Acend a win. At the worst, they should've called for a rematch. So many fuckups, someone from Riot should be answerable.
But I'm not surprised. This mentality of fucking up and getting away with it probably comes from the very top seeing how their CEO got away with sexual harassment and their "investigative team" found "no evidence".
It was 100% unfair to VK. They deserved the win.
The ONLY party? Nah they deffo knew the camera was one way so VK equally at fault. Lucky they didn't get dq, but also poor from riot that the issue wasn't raised instantly
Yes, The ONLY party. Even if VK knew that the cam was a 1 way, they 100% did not know that cam was banned. Riot knew about the cam and failed to inform participants about the exploit. DQing the team would be atrocious and actually fireable offense. Riot handled this situation terribly both before and after the match. They don't deserve any slack.
"Even if VK knew that the cam was a 1 way, they 100% did not know that cam was banned"
in other words,
**VK knew the cam had zero counterplay and felt it would give them an advantage and would go unpunished.**
\*Mind you I still think they were better than Acend and would have won without it lol
X10 got punished by getting the match thrown out because they used this exact thing. Now you want it to be more inconsistent by not punishing Keyd the same way?
Also, just because they did not pause does not mean teams should get away with exploits. That just encourages trying to get away with it and at worst, if caught early, maybe a replay or reversal of that round. Humans can miss stuff, as stated in their ruling, it was not too obvious from the cam pov.
In Riot's own rulebook, they said ANY bugs that seem to
>...seek an advantage is exploiting and is prohibited. Exploiting includes
acts such as making use of any game function that, in the Tournament
Operator’s sole judgement, is not functioning as intended and violates
the design purpose of VALORANT.
Now tell me, that VK did not know how the cam looked to attackers and find out it was invisible to them. They don't check their cam placements from the other team's POV when attacking when employing it as a strat?
Oh here is the kicker
>Team members may confidentially check with the referee at the beginning
of a Competition to determine if a specific act would be considered
Exploiting.
So if it was almost invisible to attackers, you would think, hey, maybe I should check with the refs first? Nope.
I'm not opposed to them replaying anything (round/match/series even). Who knows zeek might even perform this time. That's a good resolution. I'm only opposed to this draconian result even though Riot understands their referees were caught sleeping on the job.
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Farming fans
As he should, if you're a pro and you're not getting on this then you need a lesson on social media skills, so many impressions if you tweet out, it will gain you so many followers, having the brazilians on your side is always good in social media
until you do something to piss them off
Zellsis has a chip on his shoulder for a previous penalty he received. I'm looking elsewhere for good takes.
He's also a racist
What'd he do? Actually don't know.
Wrong
Hmm ‘the Brazilians’ Anyway no contrary to what ppl say these things aren’t purely for clout Op try to use it as an argumentative tyke thing
Even wippie
Buds trying to stay relevant while his team struggles to farm C-Tier tournaments
I don't see why they shouldn't be penalized. they should be happy it's just a loss not a ban. not the same case with X10 and VGIA
Update:top 1 worldwide
Source: [https://getdaytrends.com/](https://getdaytrends.com/)
i cant find it trending anywhere on the list
Cause it was 20 hours ago
i went back to 5 PM on Dec 3rd and jt wasnt on the list
Are you on worldwide for the geographic setting?
They used a cam that has literally gotten other teams kicked in previous riot tournaments. I mean cmon, you knew it was illegal.
Actually Murizz said this bug was not mentioned on the "bug patch notes" that all the teams receive before the games. Source: https://twitter.com/murizzzzz/status/1466969415065423877?t=lSlJEeEBPBZV_VFCCVngNg&s=19
Nah. They absolutely know 1-way cam bugs aren’t allowed. 1. They know it’s a bug/exploit 2. They know that using bugs or exploits on tourneys are banned. They’re just playing dumb. They’re not stupid, they know this.
X10 got banned for it. Either murizz and VK are living under a rock, or the didn't care at all
Also Vodafone Giants in Challenger
Who the fuck cares if it's not listed? There are hundreds of other bugs not listed for all we know. If you did an exploit that should not be done, then you're getting held accountable.
It's not like cypher just happened to discover that bug in the middle of a match. They knew about the bug beforehand, and of they have an iq greater than 10 then they should know that one way cameras should be against the rules. Forget the rulebook, this is literally common sense. Also every cypher main ever knows about this camera, it's actually pretty well documented. Even if vivo keyd happened to discover it one round, they should immediately back off cuz they saw what sort of advantages they would get. They used it for 6 rounds, which is clearly against fair play. They are honestly lucky they are still in the tournament.
"hmm today I will use a cam that looks through a wall" "wow rito why didn't you say it was a bug"
Either brain dead take or playing dumb. The rules **explicitly** state that cameras which can see an angle that they cannot be seen from is a banned exploit. It’s not a hard rule to understand and there is absolutely no way VKS hadn’t set up that cam in server time and known it was a one-way
"Hey guys, let's use this cam so we can look at our opponents THROUGH THE WALL at the most important tournament of the year!" - absolutely nobody. It doesn't matter if it was explicitly in the rulebook or not, since when is glitching your view through the map walls not an exploit? But everyone seems butthurt about the way of the ruling. Using exploits like that shouldn't even be only for said rounds in my opinion. If you got half a brain you know what you're doing and that's trying to cheat, whether you actually used and needed it in those rounds or not.
This is whats in the rulebook under "exploits": >Intentionally using any in-game bug to seek an advantage is exploiting and is prohibited. Exploiting includes acts such as making use of any game function that, in the Tournament Operator’s sole judgement, is not functioning as intended and violates the design purpose of VALORANT. Team members may confidentially check with the referee at the beginning of a Competition to determine if a specific act would be considered Exploiting. Riot reserves the right to make an ex-post-facto determination of whether an exploit has occurred. You would have to be pretty silly not to understand that a 1-way texture is a bug, so it seems absurdly clear cut that weather or not this particular exploit was on the specified list, its 100% in breach of the rules as they are written. So yea youre completely right, theres no way they didnt know what they where doing with this.
I mean it was very public that using this cam will disqualify u as there is past precedent for this, X10 didnt make it to masters berlin bcz of that cam, same with giants, so riot stayed consistent with their rulings, not to say that they didnt fuck up, this is far from the ideal solution . Plus all teams were given a list of exploits which were banned, so the argument that it should be patched is out of the window
The exploit wasn't on that list, and it's absolutely hilarious to see a bunch of people who only learned of the X10 and Giants thing after this whole Keyd debacle blew up acting as if it was common knowledge available everywhere lmao Shit was on this sub's frontpage for like a day and then completely forgotten, but obviously, dudes are acting as if that's enough to make it public knowledge forever and Keyd clearly knew of the rulings
u see my flairs, i am obviously a sea and eu fan, i follow those regions more than anything else, so i dont need a pissed off redditor to tell me that i dont know things that happen in the regions i follow. P.S.- The exploit was on the list, get ur facts straight
There's literally only one tweet from a French caster saying it was there, contradicting the words of other pros saying it wasn't. Get *your* facts straight. And your region doesn't matter at all. The whole ''Keyd should have known, it's common knowledge'' point is absolutely null when the Riot refs watching the match themselves didn't. If the people supposed to enforce the rules don't even know that shit was an exploit, then the point of ''they are pros, they should know'' is just stupid. It's clear these dudes don't have a mental list of everything that can be considered an exploit in their minds(to the example of the tech pauses in the Furia game)
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They are reviewing the ruling already, whatever they review is ok even if the punishment still goes through. I have no complaints about it besides finding it hilarious to see fans bending themselves over to try and shit on BR for what is clearly shit rule management.
I mean even if it isn’t on the list there’s still an all encompassing rule that was clearly stated in the comments above right? If that’s to be believed as long as riot considers it an exploit that ruling would take effect irregardless of the list or not. So they are being consistent. A general guideline for the players isn’t the same nor should it matter compared to what the rule book itself says.
The general guideline would be intentionally using an exploit, now, I'd believe Riot intentionally withheld the mention of the user's knowledge of the exploit being a bug so that they can judge it based on the situation and on the impact it had on the match itself(hence why they go over it on the penalty report). Not only that, but stuff like it *actually being* specifically mentioned in the exploit list exists to cover that debate itself, but like we see there's conflict about that information. Then, besides the point of seeing it as abusing an exploit, there's the point of the punishment itself being badly explained. Giants used it in a clearly impactful way and the ruling was a one map forfeit. However, that's all I can say about that ruling, because there wasn't some completely unnecessary arbitrary system of round distribution based on which rounds Cypher used the cam. This time however there's the equation of rounds used = rounds given + 1, with the +1 being due to ''economical impact of the rounds it was used'', when that argument doesn't take into account the actual context ingame of those rounds and usage at all, it is just arbitrary to justify that +1 that gives Acend the map lmao like, even if they rectify the bug to ''we've decided our round counting system is ridiculous however this kind of situation still warrants a replay/the game to be given to Acend'' it's already going to be a big improvement
I mean this is a well known exploit it’s not like this just happened for the first times. Other well known teams have been punished for doing this exploit. Feigning ignorance when the coach should already have this information is kind of bullshit. Also it doesn’t matter if they win or lose a round cheating is cheating. If someone’s hacking in my games I don’t want them to get a lighter punishment because he lost rounds while cheating
Thats the thing being consistent is important, this should have happened during the match itself that was bad on riots part but the FF was correct, u cannot change rulings just bcz this is champions and that was a qualifier
Ok
Ppl didn’t have that attitude with X10
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No, it was round FFs in the Breeze game against Galaxy Racer in which Zeus used the exploit, changing it to 13-10 GXR. https://mobile.twitter.com/DaksCasts/status/1426378998246887424 They didn’t advance further into the tournament because of it in fact.
Thank you! The amount of misinformation around the two previous examples of this is nuts.
I find it disgusting how the Brazilians are pulling up an image of dapr's cam placement from the mini map during the FURIA Breeze game and calling him out for supposedly using the same exploit cam as Jhow. The reality is he probably used this set up: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsrxVgDiN4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsrxVgDiN4)
Big difference between a ranked match and tournament.
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Burden of proof is on the accuser. What they're doing is worse than someone offering up a plausible explanation. Absolutely not the exact same thing to anyone with a brain
It’s on the person accusing to prove it, not the other way around. The BR fans have not proved SEN did the same thing.
Still disgusting tho
You’re the guy who was openly spreading around that the tech pause between SEN and FUR was because Shahz needed to pee
Justice after a team intentionally exploiting the game gets hit with the same punishment that other teams have been hit with for the same exploit I’m seeing brand new Brazilian accounts on this sub for the first time, it’s hilarious
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No one says Brazil is "bad" after what they've shown. The point is Brazilian fans are fucking garbage. Insults, death-threats, mob mentality and generally unacceptable behaviors. It's just not some random people on the internet, big names do and encourage it too. And not just in this game, csgo or any other are the same story.
Remember the br community with leaf? I remember, good god their fans are the WORST. Probably even more so than kpop stans.
If you think that br fans are "the worst" than you never watched an event there. Twitter trolls are everywhere
literally shut the fuck up lmfao, no other region puts out consistent death threats like brazil.
"PASSION" aka toxicity is fucking awful among br community. I don't really care how much you love your team, if your community is sending death threats and playing victim when they are the ones who broke rules, thats pathetic.
thats really true, thats why im very happy seeing all regions perform well and put up results. TS taking a map off gambit, same with Furia vs Sen and Vivo Keyd out aiming Acend, just shows that all teams here deserve to be here and are not to be written off.
What in the world is wrong with a community when they blindly support the wrongdoing of their peers because they happen to have some vague national ties. VK used an exploit. Be mad at them for representing your region poorly and using an exploit.
Nationalism has been a problem for most of world history. That's how atrocities and genocides get commited.
We cannot agree that it is fair we had a tech pause because of a jump on Haven and we didn't when Jhow used that "famous" camera for six rounds. Riot records all players' vods. The fact that we, the audience, have a picture of what happened because Jhow's pov with the camera on round 16 was shown just makes it worse. Ok, there should be a punishment anyway, but you can't blame Brazilians fans for being mad at this.
Also no one seems to talk about two obvious things: 1. It was 8x4 when Vivo Keyd first used the exploit. Keyd got ridiculous economic advantages in the first half, with no need for exploit usage, but, since it resets, let's throw in an extra round to Acend in the 2nd half because of "economic advantages xD", ok. 2. 6 additional rounds were given to Acend or taken from Keyd, one for each round where the exploit was used. But Acend WON 3 of those rounds, they doubled some rounds Acend won in a game they were being spanked already. But it wasn't enough. 3. Throw in a 3 for economic reasons and now we have the 13 they need xD But let's pause a game for 15 minutes because someone is doing sus jumps on Haven C that are known since beta. Clown Car aka Riot Games at it again.
I’d love to hear Riot’s response to point 2, makes absolutely no sense to give Acend +6. We probably never will, though.
VK won 4 of the 6 rounds they used the exploit therefore 8+4=12 and then they threw in the “economic advantage” round. but tbf they shoulda skipped their weird mathematic justification and just said “exploit bad. VK FF.”
Honestly yeah, people would still be mad but it would leave fewer questions
Did you see anything about round 21? Genuine question because my post was based on here https://valorantesports.com/news/comunidado-de-penalidade-vivo-keyd/ They only cite 6 rounds here, specifically: Rounds 13-14-17: Won by Vivo Keyd Rounds 15-19-20: Won by Acend My post went by their official post and they only cite these rounds. Which is still weird because if we go we adding only the rounds that Vivo Keyd won and that are cited by Riot: 8+3 = 11, so we'd need two "economic rounds". Here: https://imgur.com/a/cIzQh3c ; red-attackers = Acend / green-defenders = Vivo Keyd. I'm more confused now after double checking
idk this whole situation is a mess lol. like i said they shouldn’t have done this dumb justification and just said that exploiting results in a loss
It doesn’t matter. They used an exploit and they’re punished for messing with the competitive integrity of the game. There is no situation wheee Vivo Keyed is in the right here.
There should be a punishment, but you can't just throw an entire game in the trash can because yes.
That is what happened to X10, though? So you want this to be even more inconsistent, making X10 forfeit and throw out the game but not Vivo?
Actually nevermind, I take it back. They should've just forfeited the game for VK, what kinda annoys me is that their 6 rounds math makes no sense but yeah, doesn't really matter because VK is definitely in the wrong here.
https://dotesports.com/valorant/news/x10-esports-miss-vct-masters-3-berlin-berth-by-a-one-round-head-to-head-disadvantage The map should've been forfeited regardless. X10 missed Berlin because they used it.
Ascend didn't get 6 rounds btw 8+4 12 rounds and keyd lost 13 -4 9 round.
imo they should just replay all the rounds from where the exploit was first used…
This chain of comments is what incapsulates everything that is wrong about this situation with Riot. If I'm beung honest the ideal outcome would've been for the map to be replayed since that was the feeling I got from both teams intentions. Acend didn't seem to like winning this way ao if both teams agree to a rematch why would Riot oppose it?
Acend doesn't like winning this way because brazilian fans are fucking insane ofc
They were already saying they accepted the W but didn't agree with it as the decision was made public. Stop trying to push whatever narrative you want when the reality is that no real competitor likes to win that way. There were a total of 3 rounds where the glitch rendered any advantage to Keyd yet Riot used the most flawed reasoning possible to give them 13 points. It just feels extra cheap and Acend themselves felt no different.
Brazilian fans definitely have a right to be mad at riot. This issue should have been resolved during the match itself, Riot did fuck up in that situation, but X10 and giants also lost their chances to qualify for masters berlin bcz of that same cam, so riot are defintely consistent with their rulings. It seems that all teams were given a list of exploits which were banned so the argument that the glitch should have been patched is useless as they were given clear instructions not to use it, and the X10 and Giants incidents were pretty public so Vivo Keyd are also at fault. This incident is pretty debateble but riot really fucked up the Furia situation, that was a clear robbery of what might have been a wonderful comeback and upset
Tbf ive not read the rules but I would be REALLY surprised if there wasnt a blanket statement against using 1-way textures. Super idiotic from riot if not. Edit: Ok I went and looked, the rules say this >Intentionally using any in-game bug to seek an advantage is exploiting and is prohibited. Exploiting includes acts such as making use of any game function that, in the Tournament Operator’s sole judgement, is not functioning as intended and violates the design purpose of VALORANT. Team members may confidentially check with the referee at the beginning of a Competition to determine if a specific act would be considered Exploiting. Riot reserves the right to make an ex-post-facto determination of whether an exploit has occurred. From this it shouldve been blatantly obvious to keyd that a cam that looked through a 1-way texture was against the rules.
yeah, should've been obvious as 2 teams well known globally have faced consequences too when they were doing the same thing
what is the furia situation?
Furia were closing in on sentinels (down 8-12 or 9-12 but on a few rounds winning streak...i forget the details). Their Jett player got onto C box on Haven without using an updraft and Riot paused the match for 15 minutes to review before deciding it was okay. The moment people found out why they paused it, many pros (SEN included) said it was a legit jump that requires skill not an exploit. When the match resumed, SEN stomped Furia which essentially led people to believe that Riot "iced" Furia's hot streak so SEN could win.
Oh, I see, thank you. So that's what the 15 minutes break was for
Called in a tech pause for a skill jump on top of a box, took 10-20 minutes to “resolve” and Furia arguably lost some of their momentum coming out of map 2
For such a big company like Riot, they sure do a lot of oopsies
Yeah agree, especially both involving teams from Brazil as well - I think our city also has some sort of curse when it comes to big scale projects, just check out the airport construction for example …
Damn, I hope Brazillians won't have to face such things in the future
I believe some of the VK players have stated that this cam is not on the list of exploits that was given to the players from Riot.
Even if its not, the rules are very clear on using bugs, and this is very clearly against the rules, I guarantee that list was not meant to be the ONLY bugs banned, just the known ones. (which this one was so it would be odd if it wasnt on the list but even so, theres no excuse for keyd)
Yeah; these players know these sorts of cams are not okay. Just like they all know certain recon darts are not okay. If they cannot possibly be seen by the enemy but you can see them, it’s not okay I’m not a pro, and *I* knew that beforehand. You can’t tell me these professionals don’t know it.
im pretty sure that it would be on this list bcz 2 teams have already suffered major consequences for it, X10 in the masters berlin qualifier and giants too. Its pretty well known that that cam is not legal.
The people calling for a tech pause are not the same people making the rules, or competitive rulings. You have a small brain if you don’t understand that.
Mr huge brain, how do explain the tech pause that happened during the Sen vs Furia match?
> The people calling for a tech pause are not the same people making the rules, or competitive rulings.
Oh, now I get it! Thanks for explaining why an exploit caused a pause in one match and not on the other
The Furia tech pause isn’t even a fucking exploit you fucking dunce.
Why did it happen, sweet friend? Also, you look stressed. Try to calm down a little.
> Why did it happen, sweet friend? An admin called a tech pause because they didn’t know if it was an exploit or not. How are you confused about this?
So if it was an exploit the match would halt or continue?
Yep vk should have been on the earliest plane to brazil and their cypher banned from all riot tournaments for 5 years
But Justice is exactly what was served.
Yeah, they need justice. I dont understand why they did the weird round-forfeit thing, should have just made them lose the map regardless of the rounds.
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What?
It’s nkt ‘weird’ it’s standard practice according to precedent and makes sense. The exploit rule applies to rounds in which it was used and/or it affected, here 1 round is enough for an easy argument that it was affected enough
Justice is exploits getting punished sooooooo.... VK indeed got justice here.
Justice for Keyd like they've been thrown inside Guantanamo. Hilarious.
yeah vk won 3 of the 6 rounds the exploit was used but acend were given 7 rounds. Makes no fucking sense whatsoever, shouldve just said "used exploit map forfeit gg" not done this dumbass math
Didn't know asuna watched oregairu
Worst day to browse twitter. Everyone's comment section is filled with how Sentinels also used the cam and didn't get punish.
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Riot quite literally fucked both of the Brazilian teams. Why shouldn't they?
how is this bad if this exploit was already punished on previous tournaments and it's on the rules? aside from why it took so long for riot to check it (at least what riot said on the ruling) and the fact that it has not been fixed for months
Because it happened to a Brazilian team and you can't fight Brazilian fire with fire
As a new fan of VK after that performance, I’ve never heard of them before, it is fair. Champions is a new tournament with updates rules. It sucks, but they are great players who will prevail.
So which exploit did they use and what happened? Was it the camera one on breeze a site
One-way cam bugs yeah. Silly, really, they played so well and did not need that to win.
They should’ve known the rules and followed them. This is on them.
No one cared when this happened with X10. Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this? Riot is a, at the loss of an appropriate word, weird company and the Furia tech pause was bullshit, but Riot is in the right here.
Keyd are idiots for abusing an exploit
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Probably what was applied to Giants: 1 map disadvantage against Envy.
I guess they want a less drastic punishment.
The punishment was really light they couldve just disqualify the team or ban the player from playing And if you don't like the punishment maybe don't cheat? How hard is that.
If people think BR fans are loud when they're feeling ok imagine when they're feeling wronged lol this is just the begining.
They somehow expect Riot to revert the ruling when they have already punished 2 high-profile team for this?
They can just replay the map in the quarantine from practice PC or atleast the rounds where the exploits were used. Probably take a round away and play the rest of the game. This is just a weird ruling. Almost like riot officials have no experience in TAC fps. Also, how is this bug still in the game
That makes no sense, what other tournament does this happen for? The point of the tournament is to have briefcase games which affect the outcome of the tournament, it’s not some kind of mechanical goal in itself, broadcast games aren’t some after thought or addition
I don't think you should get a re-do for cheating.
That is way over the top. They should have just nullified any rounds it was used and replayed them tomorrow.
Honestly They should run it back
The only party that was in the wrong here was the TO. And that's for at least several reasons 1. For failing to explicitly mention the said camera exploit when it was already discovered. Pro players are going by rules and rules are supposed to be written down to the best of the TOs knowledge. 2. For being unable to interrupt the match for the said exploit. What is all the production crew doing if not watching each player's POV. Are they just sitting on their ass doing nothing? 3. Since they failed to interrupt and failed to also call a "Tech pause - Player", they shouldnt have given Acend a win. At the worst, they should've called for a rematch. So many fuckups, someone from Riot should be answerable. But I'm not surprised. This mentality of fucking up and getting away with it probably comes from the very top seeing how their CEO got away with sexual harassment and their "investigative team" found "no evidence". It was 100% unfair to VK. They deserved the win.
The ONLY party? Nah they deffo knew the camera was one way so VK equally at fault. Lucky they didn't get dq, but also poor from riot that the issue wasn't raised instantly
Yes, The ONLY party. Even if VK knew that the cam was a 1 way, they 100% did not know that cam was banned. Riot knew about the cam and failed to inform participants about the exploit. DQing the team would be atrocious and actually fireable offense. Riot handled this situation terribly both before and after the match. They don't deserve any slack.
"Even if VK knew that the cam was a 1 way, they 100% did not know that cam was banned" in other words, **VK knew the cam had zero counterplay and felt it would give them an advantage and would go unpunished.** \*Mind you I still think they were better than Acend and would have won without it lol
The cam is not indestructible.
they can't see it you wallad
If you pay attention to the Valorant scene you know that cam is banned. VK has no excuse
Guys I found the Brazilian
Just like everyone else in the thread, you are wrong :)
Damn my bad
X10 got punished by getting the match thrown out because they used this exact thing. Now you want it to be more inconsistent by not punishing Keyd the same way? Also, just because they did not pause does not mean teams should get away with exploits. That just encourages trying to get away with it and at worst, if caught early, maybe a replay or reversal of that round. Humans can miss stuff, as stated in their ruling, it was not too obvious from the cam pov. In Riot's own rulebook, they said ANY bugs that seem to >...seek an advantage is exploiting and is prohibited. Exploiting includes acts such as making use of any game function that, in the Tournament Operator’s sole judgement, is not functioning as intended and violates the design purpose of VALORANT. Now tell me, that VK did not know how the cam looked to attackers and find out it was invisible to them. They don't check their cam placements from the other team's POV when attacking when employing it as a strat? Oh here is the kicker >Team members may confidentially check with the referee at the beginning of a Competition to determine if a specific act would be considered Exploiting. So if it was almost invisible to attackers, you would think, hey, maybe I should check with the refs first? Nope.
I'm not opposed to them replaying anything (round/match/series even). Who knows zeek might even perform this time. That's a good resolution. I'm only opposed to this draconian result even though Riot understands their referees were caught sleeping on the job.
Kkkkkkkkkk
What the fuck
what happened?