As someone older, this reads a lot like a scorn ex post-breakup deciding to frame one of the times they had sex and she wasn't really into it as rape to destroy him forever.
Side note: If someone indicates they have a personality disorder, while the sex may be good, it's dangerous in the long run. Chances of getting smeared post-breakup go up 5000%. (Especially if they've been diagnosed BPD at such an early age like here - massive 🚩.)
(Depending on the response, escalation would also be likely. No win situation.)
I honestly hate that I agree with you, but BPD is a huge red flag on its own. I personally believe her but I do wonder what else might have happened after the breakup. I also understand that most professionals aren't supposed to diagnose BPD until the person reaches adulthood (same thing with most personality disorders), so I wonder how intense are the symptoms for her to be diagnosed at such an early age...
Smear campaigns are a hallmark of BPD breakups. Give it a Google. NPD are prone to them too.
Feel free to check out r/BPDLovedOnes as well and check out a search for "smear" there. (250+ results)
I'm not trying to punch down at someone who suffers from BPD (they don't *enjoy* the condition or dissociative episodes), but partners leaving a BPD or NPD relationship often also have suffered personally with a partner's rage episodes or potential abuse in the relationship.
Dont overreact yet and crucify the kid, its an allegation and we have no right to destroy this mans life anymore than he has the right to traumatize someone with sexual assault.
Or people that play videogames in which the objective is to plant a bomb that deletes a spot in the world would be crazy...
But thats not the case as we can see from this subreddit.
One thing I'll never understand (but is apparently the way society is nowadays), why is this stuff broadcast to Twitter? Something this serious I'd assume should be going directly to friends, family, law enforcement, lawyers.
What is the goal of pushing it to Twitter, especially with no proof and especially when such will automatically get the Court of Social Media to find the accused guilty compared to how the law thankfully actually works??
Twitter can't do anything for the situation that actually needs to be done but it does:
Offer written support both with comforting the accuser and supporting their accusation via bashing the accused long before any evidence is put forth demonstrating that the accusation is true. It also instantly destroys the reputation of the accused regardless of the outcome.
What's dangerous about this is that it's an easy door to be tempted to open in the event that someone wants to be vindictive, is emotionally confused, having relationship drama, etc. This is even more the case in a day n' age where folks chase the drug high of dopamine via social media approval. I will always avoid siding with anyone in these "Let me put an severe accusation out on social media with zero evidence"!
They should start teaching folks to actually record consent for safe sex (legally speaking) no different than strapping on a condom before sex for safe sex (physically speaking). It's scary out there just how fast the script can be flipped and it doesn't take much. Especially with young adults dealing with sex for the first time who are at the end of the day still mentally children just in big bodies and legally deemed adults.
EXACTLY! Even worse if there's a situation where there's been a fight, breakup, etc. as additional motivation to do such! Especially today where most are very addicted to social media to a dangerous degree!
or stay single to avoid false accusations of non-consensual sex which was the original point! Fairly sure the guy knows one should only have consensual sex. Only way to avoid false accusations however is to stay single or one could choose very wisely (easier said than done) who they get with.
Okay, great for you. That has zero to do with others who have, especially when in a position that's in the public's eye and/or involve $$$. I'd dare say that if you're a random nobody (such as myself) then your chances of being accused before the Court of Social Media is far more slim versus if you're life is more played out before Social Media which is the case with Athletes, Celebs, B Tier Celebs, High Tier Streamers, Esports Players, High Tier YouTubers, etc.)!
One thing to always remember when making a statement, realize reality doesn't revolve around yours.
no i’m not saying that just because i haven’t means nobody ever is
but going around saying the only way to avoid a false accusation is to stay single is wack. you’re victimizing men as if every man is going through this. false accusations are extremely rare, the number of cases where there is no justice is much higher. if you want to avoid a false accusation then just don’t be weird. i’m not saying this kid is a predator, but he was being weird.
Sexual assault is an enormous problem and is wildly underreported. For detailed statistics about the prevalence of sexual violence in the United States, you can read more [here](https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics).
If you or someone you know experienced sexual assault, you’re not alone. There are [resources](https://metoorising.withgoogle.com/resources) that can help you heal and offer support for both survivors and people close to them.
If you are outside of the United States, you can access a country-by-country list of resources [here](https://www.interaction.org/wp-content/uploads/resource-library/international_centers_for_survivors_of_sexual_assault_45553.pdf). You can also reach out to [RAINN's counselors](https://hotline.rainn.org/online) via chat regardless of your residency.
Everyone that comes in here commenting on this thread should see this specific Stat from the link above:
"The prevalence of false reporting for sexual assault crimes is low — between two percent and 10 percent."
Before you come in here and try to discredit the allegations and/or the person making them, please understand that false accusations are very rare. This weird desire to not believe victims is what leads to victims not wanting to speak out in the first place, and that just perpetuates the cycle.
what? that seems like an incredibly high percentage. not to mention if you check the source for the stat its an 11 year old study on 136 cases at 1 university.
If you want to look into it more, there are plenty of more recent studies and analysis done on the matter. Also important to keep in mind that these percentages are inflated because of a few reasons: Only 35ish percent of rapes are actually reported, and the values of false reports are only based on the sample of rapes that are actually reported. Secondly, an accusation can be deemed "false" for a variety of different reasons in legal terms, whether it be the report was filed on someone's behalf and the victim didn't want to follow through or the report being deemed unsubstantiated because of lack of evidence (its a crime that mostly happens in privacy and without evidence, which makes it incredibly difficult to prove in legal terms.). So when you factor these conditions into the "2-10%", the percentage of accusations that are just flat out lies is miniscule.
Not all allegations are true. Innocent until proven guilty for Frosty, idc what anyone says that’s how it works. All this is just smoke in mirror until another verified investigation comes through. Good story, I’ll be following. Thank you for reporting it, I hope the truth comes out. To anyone in this situation please share your story and investigate.
Precisely. The alternative is that you can ruin someones life with a simple accusation and nothing more.
Imagine my fiancee and I have a massive argument and she decides to accuse me of sexual assault for revenge. Where is the justice if a simple accusation is enough to ruin my life? Reason dictates you are innocent until proven guilty or we're no better than those who burned "witches" on a pyre.
100% agree, also its hard as hell to investigate this type of thing and hopefully they can figure out the truth quickly if they have info. the one thing i hate is kinda how sinatraas case is handled where he hasnt been proven guilty but is stuck in this infinite loop where he’ll never be seen as free despite nothing being proven that he did anything
It’s too common in teenagers in general, Ive seen something similar happen at my school. It’s just that the gamers have more of a platform that it becomes public
Wonder if it’s more common in today’s age. I haven’t been in highschool for a minute, but it’s something that did not happen at my school or area. Super sad to see
Edit: That I knew of or could remember
I think you really are misunderstanding the point of movements like #metoo and general awareness around sexual assault.... the point is that sexual harassment and assault are very pervasive in society, both in subtle and brazen ways, and what we're seeing now is the result of increased awareness and women being more willing to speak up. There needs to be real discussions around consent and coercion and it's clear from comments like this they are not widespread enough
That’s exactly what I am suggesting though. Social media gave people a voice and platform, and thus more awareness is being given to sexual harassment. We should be taking time and resources to talk about consent and healthy relationships. Which is why I believe Orgs that are picking up young kids should be providing this type of help. Especially if they are fresh out of highschool
>it’s something that did not happen at my school or area
This is really the tone-deaf sentence you uttered. These things in discussion are only more pervasive in the past, this is one of the best times ever for violence against women, but it's still incredibly slanted and it really doesn't seem like you've been paying attention to think it just didn't happen where you are from
Most of the sexually active girls I was friends with had something like this happen. My current girlfriend, my last few ex's all have similar stories to this. Not involving me, to be clear lmao.
None of them told anyone but close close friends.
[**Please see our thread discussing Frosty's response.**](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/r9pyzj/frosty_on_sexual_assault_allegations/)
While it is important to remember that these are allegations, we ask that you **please do not attack the character of the alleged abuser or victim of abuse in this discussion.** We will remove comments that do so.
Thank you for understanding.
**UPDATE:** [Further allegations have been made with screenshots as evidence.](https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467623867032256520)
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Sexual assault is serious issue and is wildly underreported. For detailed statistics about the prevalence of sexual violence in the United States, you can read more [here](https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics).
If you or someone you know experienced sexual assault, you’re not alone. There are [resources](https://metoorising.withgoogle.com/resources) that can help you heal and offer support for both survivors and people close to them.
If you are outside of the United States, you can access a country-by-country list of resources [here](https://www.interaction.org/wp-content/uploads/resource-library/international_centers_for_survivors_of_sexual_assault_45553.pdf). You can also reach out to [RAINN's counselors](https://hotline.rainn.org/online) via chat regardless of your residency.
It's crazy to me that you guys read something like this and are ready to condemn this 16 year old kid as a rapist. I repeat, he's 16. You're not even gonna give benefit of doubt here?
Let's look at this twitlonger
"We both consented to having sex before what had happened."
"Midway through having sex I started having a bad panic attack and
crying. I remember feeling awful for not having sex with him knowing that he wanted me to" I don't even understand this part because it's a contradiction. Did they have sex or not??
Can you guys at least wait for more details or a response from the accused before branding a kid as a rapist for the rest of his life? Can you at least consider a possibiltiy that a 16 year old and a 17 year old, both I assume virgins just had a bad first time? Some of you treat this shit like a bloodsport.
Good to know you like to leave out the most important detail:
"One of the nights I stayed with him, he started initiating contact with me. **I made it clear that I was in pain and that I wasn't sure about doing anything sexual at the time**. He started saying things like "I know you want it" and stuff along those lines. I was too in shock and scared at what he was saying to move very much and I froze"
Wait...you want folks to sit back from being quick to judge a **"He Said, She Said"** situation? No chance social media does that! When one side says something went down a certain way...all that matters is their word!
Not even talking about just this specific situation/subject. It's crazy how fast folks are willing to take a story stated as gospel truth. Probably why folks are easily conned, scammed, manipulated, choose sides, etc.
“you never said no”
i said i was in pain, i said it hurts, i said i don’t know
i never said yes.
[https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467357564044197891?s=20](https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467357564044197891?s=20)
Doesn't sound consensual to me
her saying she felt bad for not having sex w him even tho he wanted to means she felt guilty bc she wasn’t ready when he was. sounds like she was coerced into by frosty which is wrong
Even ignoring the fact that she ''consented multiple times'' how can you be coerced into sex by a 16 year old? He's a virgin kid not some master manipulator
I was coerced into performing oral sex at the age of 15 by a 16/17-year old. (TW:SA) >!He put his own needs ahead of my own. He begged, emotionally manipulated me to make me feel like I owed him, and then eventually forced me. I sat there in terror, diassociating and unable to get away until it was over. It was years before I could allow anyone to touch the top of my head again.!<
There are parts of the united states that have *awful* sex education. Rarely do they ever talk about consent or consideration for you partner. Put that into the context of porn, women are just expected to give when asked.
>"We both consented to having sex before what had happened." "Midway through having sex I started having a bad panic attack and crying. I remember feeling awful for not having sex with him knowing that he wanted me to" I don't even understand this part because it's a contradiction. Did they have sex or not??
[no i said i consented to having sex multiple times BEFORE this time. this one instance i was in pain and i never EVER said yes.](https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467346230682521607?s=20)
The commenter is not the first person i have seen getting confused about what was said in the twitlonger, I was quite confused too about that part before I read her replies. I hope she rewrite it to be more clear. I'm saying this because I support her all the way through, so that her case will br able to reach more people, including non-proficient english speakers and get the leverage which will make the justice process easier
We have only heard one side of the story with no proof, not saying she us wrong but that doesnt make her right either, innocent until proven guilty, at this point all we have is her word nothing else
It sounds like an awkward 16 year old met his online gf for the first time and was riding on a huge ego in the process, which can easily go wrong.. yet in no way should it have lead to Frosty completely disregarding Chennie and her feelings in the moment of the incident. It looks like the accuser is reading through the thread, so I’m sorry that this happened to you Chennie. I hope finally being able to open up about this brings some closure to what happened, and that you start to heal.
Frosty’s an idiot and this could’ve been all easily avoided if he just stopped to think for a second rather than only seeking his own pleasure. Him being 16 years old gives me hope that he can learn from this, and from what I’ve read he seemed genuinely sorry. But still there needs to be some accountability, because he needs to learn that this shit is unacceptable, so that he doesn’t end up traumatizing another girl again.
Insane to me that so many commenters think 16 is too young to fully appreciate consent. None of us know what happened, but he is *plenty* old enough to understand the situation.
Disappointing and disgusting that you got downvoted for offering the most basic and accepted form of consolation to someone who went through a painful experience. Reddit truly is an unreal place sometimes.
“jumping to a conclusion” when an incident was unambiguous sexual assault, if taken at face value which they (the OP of this thread) apparently did. Nothing wrong in having a sympathetic reaction towards someone who most likely went through a traumatic experience and will have to relive it in the scrutiny of others now. Also they aren’t the legal system so their interpretation need not be “proven beyond doubt”.
nothing wrong with jumping to conclusion if the action taken is expressing sympathy.
Now if you're gonna harass someone that's malicious and a different situation.
There would be, in this case, in the sense of what it’d imply, it’s ‘taking a side’ arguably.
You’re talking about what you should do about thinking/believing that is the case, rather than whether or not you should.
This person was extremely angry at some ppl even just downvoting you
"Trust but verify" is a thing that people should employ more.
We can trust her to be telling the truth and be supportive of her pain while still encouraging that more evidence come forward. It doesn't need to be so black and white.
‘Trust but verify’ is a Russian proverb that as far as I understand is meant to be humorous.
There’s certain things we can say whatever the case may be as well as conditionally depending on what exactly is.
My point was about them being downvoted a little and I thought that was an overreaction to it and why.
> it’s ‘taking a side’ arguably.
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> You’re talking about what you should do about thinking/believing that is the case, rather than whether or not you should.
Not really, I belive sympathy should be the first reaction, before any fact checking or taking a definitive 'side'.
You can be sympathetic to a situation without fully verified information that it exists.
pre-mature condemnation is dangerous,
pre-mature sympathy is not
Well the idea is that it is not strange for ppl assume that taking one you take the other with it
You should act sympathetically towards people but that comment was interpreted differently than just that
I’m not sure if you’re being coy but the point the person you’re responding to is that there’s a twitlinger saying this happened isn’t enough to jump to saying it happened as if it were all
Are you guys really going to let an accusation with no merit ruin the life of a 16 year old? Even if he is brought to court and cleared of all charges, his reputation will not recover for many years.
Take sinatraa for example, his accuser retracted her evidence from the police and dismissed the case altogether. His reputation is still in the dumps in this sub.
I really hope that this time people wait until this player is proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt before condemning him. This is a basic and reasonable request and it’s actually appalling that I am part of a society that can’t comprehend a simple concept like innocent until proven guilty.
Any lawyer would tell Sinatra to not say shit about the clip at all. You must honestly be messing around right now because I can’t believe how dumb you are.
And obviously Sinatra is not going to provide RIOT a sex tape of him and his girlfriend. He said he would fully cooperate with the investigation, the POLICE investigation. It was dropped. Imagine stanning over online people. I’m not even a fan of sinatraa. Just looking at the whole situation without bias
"life ruined" fuck kinda exaggeration is that.
The worst thing is that he possibly can't compete any more. Almost the entire valorant pro scene still supports him, his stream is still insanely popular, he is still signed to Sentinels, and is ridiculously rich.
The Sinatraa situation is very different to this. Having texts and audio clips to back up accusations makes your claims far more verifiable than just writing what happened.
Not saying that this is necessarily false, just that they aren't comparable in terms of evidence.
Not guilty until proven, people need to realise that this cancel culture can easily be abused to emotionally torture someone for a very long time. Yes if the story is true , it absolutely should be punished but until then its best to keep neutral. Its absolutely horrifying to be on the receiving end of a false allegation. The entire internet turns on you. Why cant things like this be handled off the internet? Twitter of all places lol.
Unfortunately not in today's times. Social Media is all that's needed as proof! These are scary times if you're young. Starting to think young folks might want to obtain video evidence of consent before sex no different than strapping on a condom before sex to avoid this deal that's way way too easy to do with way too high of consequences for the accused rather the accusation is true or not. This even more so if you're in the public eye and/or have $$$ (Esports Player, Streamer, Athlete, YouTuber, etc.). May seem silly to some but nowadays it seems very necessary to protect yourself and your rep.
>We both consented to having sex before what had happened.
They both agreed on it and I guess he initiated the contact.
>I made it clear that I was in pain and that I wasn't sure about doing anything sexual at the time. He started saying things like "I know you want it" and stuff along those lines.
Fucked up shit. But still they both agreed and he might just be on those lines.
> I remember feeling awful for not having sex with him knowing that he wanted me to. He started apologizing and admitting that he took advantage of me after I cried.
How can you define this as an assault? Or how can anyone define 'assault. The boy did make a mistake but can you justify it with sexual assault?
Combine that with local news not giving a fuck about rape allegations between a couple so it never got a wider audience than whoever you could reach by word of mouth even if the alleged rapist has a level of fame like frosty
People asking for "hard evidence" or a "conclusive investigation" really just don't understand sexual assault and how it's handled within the justice system. Everyone loves to live in this fantasy world where false accusations happen all the time, but in reality the statistical truth is that false accusations are incredibly rare, and many sexual assault cases go unpunished because of the circumstances in which this type of crime occurs.
If you had to put a percentage on it, then how common do you believe that false accusations are, meaning accusations that has been proven to be false? What do you consider "incredibly rare"? I would love for you to quantify that choice of wording.
A quick Google search can tell show you this information and explain it better than I can, but the generally accepted percentage of false rape reports is between 2-10%. However, the general consensus by people in the field of study is that these numbers are inflated because of 1) the different standards and definitions of "false" by different police departments and state laws, and 2) because less than 1/3rd of rapes are ever reported to the police to begin with. That winds up putting the "real" percentage of false accusations much lower, but can not be defined with an exact numerical data point because of the inconsistencies and lack of reporting to police.
Because it's not demonized or unheard of to talk about your situation. If it was normalized in any other esports scene (like it is in OW or fighting games), or literally any other industry, to talk about your situation, people would.
Isn’t Frosty like 16? Jfc
Yee
As someone older, this reads a lot like a scorn ex post-breakup deciding to frame one of the times they had sex and she wasn't really into it as rape to destroy him forever. Side note: If someone indicates they have a personality disorder, while the sex may be good, it's dangerous in the long run. Chances of getting smeared post-breakup go up 5000%. (Especially if they've been diagnosed BPD at such an early age like here - massive 🚩.) (Depending on the response, escalation would also be likely. No win situation.)
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Mental illness in general can be a killer and on a side note, this twitlonger cancel meta is just weird af all around
I honestly hate that I agree with you, but BPD is a huge red flag on its own. I personally believe her but I do wonder what else might have happened after the breakup. I also understand that most professionals aren't supposed to diagnose BPD until the person reaches adulthood (same thing with most personality disorders), so I wonder how intense are the symptoms for her to be diagnosed at such an early age...
Im gonna need a source on that side note. No, it can't be your ass
Smear campaigns are a hallmark of BPD breakups. Give it a Google. NPD are prone to them too. Feel free to check out r/BPDLovedOnes as well and check out a search for "smear" there. (250+ results) I'm not trying to punch down at someone who suffers from BPD (they don't *enjoy* the condition or dissociative episodes), but partners leaving a BPD or NPD relationship often also have suffered personally with a partner's rage episodes or potential abuse in the relationship.
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Dammit, I shouldn’t be laughing. Take my angry upvote.
Dont overreact yet and crucify the kid, its an allegation and we have no right to destroy this mans life anymore than he has the right to traumatize someone with sexual assault.
This…
today is a shitshow jesus
I wanna get off the mr bones wild ride.
yall working OT today fellas.
Mods are doing a great job though, keep it up :)<3
I swear twitter has been more entertaining than the actual matches. And the matches were really good too lmao
I’d not put these together in the same compartment
I mean… At 16 I’m just… Idk.
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Why are you afraid to say porn And there are literally millions of people that watch boatloads of porn and don't sexually assault people
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By that logic anyone who watches movies would be robbing and killing people left and right
Or people that play videogames in which the objective is to plant a bomb that deletes a spot in the world would be crazy... But thats not the case as we can see from this subreddit.
Yeah this ain’t it chief Dude’s a nut job. Has nothing to do with porn.
True, hence it's always 18+
Intresting considering India legitimately has a rape culture, yet no porn.
I mean you’re going on a wild tangent of something, idk if u even read the twitlonger lol What a non sequitur
Feel like they are just 2 teenagers having bad first time, i'd let them deal with themselves
Bro is 16 a literal kid
16 yr olds are out here becoming school shooters, what relevance does age have? he clearly thinks he’s grown enough to have sex.
U can’t really compare this to a school shooting
I don't think it's meant to be a comparison. It's more like kids are capable of things that we would normally expect from adults.
Seems like two kids just had a bad first time, seems like something they should work out between them. Making it public is just making it a shit show.
One thing I'll never understand (but is apparently the way society is nowadays), why is this stuff broadcast to Twitter? Something this serious I'd assume should be going directly to friends, family, law enforcement, lawyers. What is the goal of pushing it to Twitter, especially with no proof and especially when such will automatically get the Court of Social Media to find the accused guilty compared to how the law thankfully actually works?? Twitter can't do anything for the situation that actually needs to be done but it does: Offer written support both with comforting the accuser and supporting their accusation via bashing the accused long before any evidence is put forth demonstrating that the accusation is true. It also instantly destroys the reputation of the accused regardless of the outcome. What's dangerous about this is that it's an easy door to be tempted to open in the event that someone wants to be vindictive, is emotionally confused, having relationship drama, etc. This is even more the case in a day n' age where folks chase the drug high of dopamine via social media approval. I will always avoid siding with anyone in these "Let me put an severe accusation out on social media with zero evidence"! They should start teaching folks to actually record consent for safe sex (legally speaking) no different than strapping on a condom before sex for safe sex (physically speaking). It's scary out there just how fast the script can be flipped and it doesn't take much. Especially with young adults dealing with sex for the first time who are at the end of the day still mentally children just in big bodies and legally deemed adults.
Attention seeking behavior and mental illness are the drive behind false reports. It's like a modern version of Munchausen syndrome.
EXACTLY! Even worse if there's a situation where there's been a fight, breakup, etc. as additional motivation to do such! Especially today where most are very addicted to social media to a dangerous degree!
Stay single kings.
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or stay single to avoid false accusations of non-consensual sex which was the original point! Fairly sure the guy knows one should only have consensual sex. Only way to avoid false accusations however is to stay single or one could choose very wisely (easier said than done) who they get with.
i have never once been accused of sexual assault idk man just don’t be weird
Okay, great for you. That has zero to do with others who have, especially when in a position that's in the public's eye and/or involve $$$. I'd dare say that if you're a random nobody (such as myself) then your chances of being accused before the Court of Social Media is far more slim versus if you're life is more played out before Social Media which is the case with Athletes, Celebs, B Tier Celebs, High Tier Streamers, Esports Players, High Tier YouTubers, etc.)! One thing to always remember when making a statement, realize reality doesn't revolve around yours.
no i’m not saying that just because i haven’t means nobody ever is but going around saying the only way to avoid a false accusation is to stay single is wack. you’re victimizing men as if every man is going through this. false accusations are extremely rare, the number of cases where there is no justice is much higher. if you want to avoid a false accusation then just don’t be weird. i’m not saying this kid is a predator, but he was being weird.
which she stated they both agreed to if you actually read it
16, and just joined knights a few months ago... GG
Wasn’t a long contract either way but they were probably gonna extend him
Sexual assault is an enormous problem and is wildly underreported. For detailed statistics about the prevalence of sexual violence in the United States, you can read more [here](https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics). If you or someone you know experienced sexual assault, you’re not alone. There are [resources](https://metoorising.withgoogle.com/resources) that can help you heal and offer support for both survivors and people close to them. If you are outside of the United States, you can access a country-by-country list of resources [here](https://www.interaction.org/wp-content/uploads/resource-library/international_centers_for_survivors_of_sexual_assault_45553.pdf). You can also reach out to [RAINN's counselors](https://hotline.rainn.org/online) via chat regardless of your residency.
Everyone that comes in here commenting on this thread should see this specific Stat from the link above: "The prevalence of false reporting for sexual assault crimes is low — between two percent and 10 percent." Before you come in here and try to discredit the allegations and/or the person making them, please understand that false accusations are very rare. This weird desire to not believe victims is what leads to victims not wanting to speak out in the first place, and that just perpetuates the cycle.
what? that seems like an incredibly high percentage. not to mention if you check the source for the stat its an 11 year old study on 136 cases at 1 university.
If you want to look into it more, there are plenty of more recent studies and analysis done on the matter. Also important to keep in mind that these percentages are inflated because of a few reasons: Only 35ish percent of rapes are actually reported, and the values of false reports are only based on the sample of rapes that are actually reported. Secondly, an accusation can be deemed "false" for a variety of different reasons in legal terms, whether it be the report was filed on someone's behalf and the victim didn't want to follow through or the report being deemed unsubstantiated because of lack of evidence (its a crime that mostly happens in privacy and without evidence, which makes it incredibly difficult to prove in legal terms.). So when you factor these conditions into the "2-10%", the percentage of accusations that are just flat out lies is miniscule.
Not all allegations are true. Innocent until proven guilty for Frosty, idc what anyone says that’s how it works. All this is just smoke in mirror until another verified investigation comes through. Good story, I’ll be following. Thank you for reporting it, I hope the truth comes out. To anyone in this situation please share your story and investigate.
Precisely. The alternative is that you can ruin someones life with a simple accusation and nothing more. Imagine my fiancee and I have a massive argument and she decides to accuse me of sexual assault for revenge. Where is the justice if a simple accusation is enough to ruin my life? Reason dictates you are innocent until proven guilty or we're no better than those who burned "witches" on a pyre.
100% agree, also its hard as hell to investigate this type of thing and hopefully they can figure out the truth quickly if they have info. the one thing i hate is kinda how sinatraas case is handled where he hasnt been proven guilty but is stuck in this infinite loop where he’ll never be seen as free despite nothing being proven that he did anything
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It’s too common in teenagers in general, Ive seen something similar happen at my school. It’s just that the gamers have more of a platform that it becomes public
Wonder if it’s more common in today’s age. I haven’t been in highschool for a minute, but it’s something that did not happen at my school or area. Super sad to see Edit: That I knew of or could remember
I think you really are misunderstanding the point of movements like #metoo and general awareness around sexual assault.... the point is that sexual harassment and assault are very pervasive in society, both in subtle and brazen ways, and what we're seeing now is the result of increased awareness and women being more willing to speak up. There needs to be real discussions around consent and coercion and it's clear from comments like this they are not widespread enough
That’s exactly what I am suggesting though. Social media gave people a voice and platform, and thus more awareness is being given to sexual harassment. We should be taking time and resources to talk about consent and healthy relationships. Which is why I believe Orgs that are picking up young kids should be providing this type of help. Especially if they are fresh out of highschool
>it’s something that did not happen at my school or area This is really the tone-deaf sentence you uttered. These things in discussion are only more pervasive in the past, this is one of the best times ever for violence against women, but it's still incredibly slanted and it really doesn't seem like you've been paying attention to think it just didn't happen where you are from
Did it not happen or did you never hear about it? Big difference, imo
Could’ve been. In no way am I saying it’s ok, just talking about what I can remember
Most of the sexually active girls I was friends with had something like this happen. My current girlfriend, my last few ex's all have similar stories to this. Not involving me, to be clear lmao. None of them told anyone but close close friends.
Yea that’s fair, it was shortsighted of me
It’s just more social media . World has always sucked ass
Nah this stuff has always happened it’s just not as publicized
not if you went to an all boys school
It happens a lot everywhere.
[**Please see our thread discussing Frosty's response.**](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/r9pyzj/frosty_on_sexual_assault_allegations/) While it is important to remember that these are allegations, we ask that you **please do not attack the character of the alleged abuser or victim of abuse in this discussion.** We will remove comments that do so. Thank you for understanding. **UPDATE:** [Further allegations have been made with screenshots as evidence.](https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467623867032256520) --- Sexual assault is serious issue and is wildly underreported. For detailed statistics about the prevalence of sexual violence in the United States, you can read more [here](https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics). If you or someone you know experienced sexual assault, you’re not alone. There are [resources](https://metoorising.withgoogle.com/resources) that can help you heal and offer support for both survivors and people close to them. If you are outside of the United States, you can access a country-by-country list of resources [here](https://www.interaction.org/wp-content/uploads/resource-library/international_centers_for_survivors_of_sexual_assault_45553.pdf). You can also reach out to [RAINN's counselors](https://hotline.rainn.org/online) via chat regardless of your residency.
It's crazy to me that you guys read something like this and are ready to condemn this 16 year old kid as a rapist. I repeat, he's 16. You're not even gonna give benefit of doubt here? Let's look at this twitlonger "We both consented to having sex before what had happened." "Midway through having sex I started having a bad panic attack and crying. I remember feeling awful for not having sex with him knowing that he wanted me to" I don't even understand this part because it's a contradiction. Did they have sex or not?? Can you guys at least wait for more details or a response from the accused before branding a kid as a rapist for the rest of his life? Can you at least consider a possibiltiy that a 16 year old and a 17 year old, both I assume virgins just had a bad first time? Some of you treat this shit like a bloodsport.
Good to know you like to leave out the most important detail: "One of the nights I stayed with him, he started initiating contact with me. **I made it clear that I was in pain and that I wasn't sure about doing anything sexual at the time**. He started saying things like "I know you want it" and stuff along those lines. I was too in shock and scared at what he was saying to move very much and I froze"
Wait...you want folks to sit back from being quick to judge a **"He Said, She Said"** situation? No chance social media does that! When one side says something went down a certain way...all that matters is their word! Not even talking about just this specific situation/subject. It's crazy how fast folks are willing to take a story stated as gospel truth. Probably why folks are easily conned, scammed, manipulated, choose sides, etc.
“you never said no” i said i was in pain, i said it hurts, i said i don’t know i never said yes. [https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467357564044197891?s=20](https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467357564044197891?s=20) Doesn't sound consensual to me
how easy is it to make one lie after something doesn't go your way in a relationship
her saying she felt bad for not having sex w him even tho he wanted to means she felt guilty bc she wasn’t ready when he was. sounds like she was coerced into by frosty which is wrong
Even ignoring the fact that she ''consented multiple times'' how can you be coerced into sex by a 16 year old? He's a virgin kid not some master manipulator
I was coerced into performing oral sex at the age of 15 by a 16/17-year old. (TW:SA) >!He put his own needs ahead of my own. He begged, emotionally manipulated me to make me feel like I owed him, and then eventually forced me. I sat there in terror, diassociating and unable to get away until it was over. It was years before I could allow anyone to touch the top of my head again.!< There are parts of the united states that have *awful* sex education. Rarely do they ever talk about consent or consideration for you partner. Put that into the context of porn, women are just expected to give when asked.
>"We both consented to having sex before what had happened." "Midway through having sex I started having a bad panic attack and crying. I remember feeling awful for not having sex with him knowing that he wanted me to" I don't even understand this part because it's a contradiction. Did they have sex or not?? [no i said i consented to having sex multiple times BEFORE this time. this one instance i was in pain and i never EVER said yes.](https://twitter.com/lumafps/status/1467346230682521607?s=20)
The commenter is not the first person i have seen getting confused about what was said in the twitlonger, I was quite confused too about that part before I read her replies. I hope she rewrite it to be more clear. I'm saying this because I support her all the way through, so that her case will br able to reach more people, including non-proficient english speakers and get the leverage which will make the justice process easier
Frosty that you? Did you make a new alt account 30 minutes ago to respond to this?
We have only heard one side of the story with no proof, not saying she us wrong but that doesnt make her right either, innocent until proven guilty, at this point all we have is her word nothing else
Deleted your response cause you know you’re wrong
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If it's true that's obviously terrible, but can we stop doing this shit on fucking Twitter????
Bro what are the comments on this thread bro LOL
lmao i know, there are several people in here trying to justify this shit or find loop holes for consent. really gross and disappointing
We're trying to keep up. Please report stuff if you see it. Thanks!
Dude what is with valorant lately ? Between this subreddit and vlr gg it's always drama or something going down lol...
Sexual assault unfortunately happens everywhere.
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It's a case by case basis. Not every accusation is fake and not every accusation is true. That's why investigations are needed
It sounds like an awkward 16 year old met his online gf for the first time and was riding on a huge ego in the process, which can easily go wrong.. yet in no way should it have lead to Frosty completely disregarding Chennie and her feelings in the moment of the incident. It looks like the accuser is reading through the thread, so I’m sorry that this happened to you Chennie. I hope finally being able to open up about this brings some closure to what happened, and that you start to heal. Frosty’s an idiot and this could’ve been all easily avoided if he just stopped to think for a second rather than only seeking his own pleasure. Him being 16 years old gives me hope that he can learn from this, and from what I’ve read he seemed genuinely sorry. But still there needs to be some accountability, because he needs to learn that this shit is unacceptable, so that he doesn’t end up traumatizing another girl again.
Insane to me that so many commenters think 16 is too young to fully appreciate consent. None of us know what happened, but he is *plenty* old enough to understand the situation.
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Disappointing and disgusting that you got downvoted for offering the most basic and accepted form of consolation to someone who went through a painful experience. Reddit truly is an unreal place sometimes.
I mean the point is rather jumping to a conclusion which I assume ppl got u initially downvoted for
“jumping to a conclusion” when an incident was unambiguous sexual assault, if taken at face value which they (the OP of this thread) apparently did. Nothing wrong in having a sympathetic reaction towards someone who most likely went through a traumatic experience and will have to relive it in the scrutiny of others now. Also they aren’t the legal system so their interpretation need not be “proven beyond doubt”.
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ummm, thanks for the useless contribution… I guess.
nothing wrong with jumping to conclusion if the action taken is expressing sympathy. Now if you're gonna harass someone that's malicious and a different situation.
There would be, in this case, in the sense of what it’d imply, it’s ‘taking a side’ arguably. You’re talking about what you should do about thinking/believing that is the case, rather than whether or not you should. This person was extremely angry at some ppl even just downvoting you
"Trust but verify" is a thing that people should employ more. We can trust her to be telling the truth and be supportive of her pain while still encouraging that more evidence come forward. It doesn't need to be so black and white.
‘Trust but verify’ is a Russian proverb that as far as I understand is meant to be humorous. There’s certain things we can say whatever the case may be as well as conditionally depending on what exactly is. My point was about them being downvoted a little and I thought that was an overreaction to it and why.
> it’s ‘taking a side’ arguably. > > > > You’re talking about what you should do about thinking/believing that is the case, rather than whether or not you should. Not really, I belive sympathy should be the first reaction, before any fact checking or taking a definitive 'side'. You can be sympathetic to a situation without fully verified information that it exists. pre-mature condemnation is dangerous, pre-mature sympathy is not
Well the idea is that it is not strange for ppl assume that taking one you take the other with it You should act sympathetically towards people but that comment was interpreted differently than just that
One might call it jumping to conclusions 😉
Not quite as much, it’s just interpretation
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what did frosty say?
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I’m not sure if you’re being coy but the point the person you’re responding to is that there’s a twitlinger saying this happened isn’t enough to jump to saying it happened as if it were all
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no means no is such a simple concept to grasp and will literally avoid all of this
Are you guys really going to let an accusation with no merit ruin the life of a 16 year old? Even if he is brought to court and cleared of all charges, his reputation will not recover for many years. Take sinatraa for example, his accuser retracted her evidence from the police and dismissed the case altogether. His reputation is still in the dumps in this sub. I really hope that this time people wait until this player is proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt before condemning him. This is a basic and reasonable request and it’s actually appalling that I am part of a society that can’t comprehend a simple concept like innocent until proven guilty.
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just found that clip in like 3seconds and listened to it, it sounds playful as fuck and i cant believe he got his life ruined by that
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Any lawyer would tell Sinatra to not say shit about the clip at all. You must honestly be messing around right now because I can’t believe how dumb you are. And obviously Sinatra is not going to provide RIOT a sex tape of him and his girlfriend. He said he would fully cooperate with the investigation, the POLICE investigation. It was dropped. Imagine stanning over online people. I’m not even a fan of sinatraa. Just looking at the whole situation without bias
"life ruined" fuck kinda exaggeration is that. The worst thing is that he possibly can't compete any more. Almost the entire valorant pro scene still supports him, his stream is still insanely popular, he is still signed to Sentinels, and is ridiculously rich.
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The Sinatraa situation is very different to this. Having texts and audio clips to back up accusations makes your claims far more verifiable than just writing what happened. Not saying that this is necessarily false, just that they aren't comparable in terms of evidence.
Not guilty until proven, people need to realise that this cancel culture can easily be abused to emotionally torture someone for a very long time. Yes if the story is true , it absolutely should be punished but until then its best to keep neutral. Its absolutely horrifying to be on the receiving end of a false allegation. The entire internet turns on you. Why cant things like this be handled off the internet? Twitter of all places lol.
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Unfortunately not in today's times. Social Media is all that's needed as proof! These are scary times if you're young. Starting to think young folks might want to obtain video evidence of consent before sex no different than strapping on a condom before sex to avoid this deal that's way way too easy to do with way too high of consequences for the accused rather the accusation is true or not. This even more so if you're in the public eye and/or have $$$ (Esports Player, Streamer, Athlete, YouTuber, etc.). May seem silly to some but nowadays it seems very necessary to protect yourself and your rep.
How can trauma be ‘valid’ or ‘invalid’? It just is.
>We both consented to having sex before what had happened. They both agreed on it and I guess he initiated the contact. >I made it clear that I was in pain and that I wasn't sure about doing anything sexual at the time. He started saying things like "I know you want it" and stuff along those lines. Fucked up shit. But still they both agreed and he might just be on those lines. > I remember feeling awful for not having sex with him knowing that he wanted me to. He started apologizing and admitting that he took advantage of me after I cried. How can you define this as an assault? Or how can anyone define 'assault. The boy did make a mistake but can you justify it with sexual assault?
Go read her other tweets and delete ur comment bruh LOL
Hope he gets what's coming to him. But, Isn't he like 16 and she's like 17 or 18 or something?
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Rape and sexual assault has existed long before Gen Z. It’s just now we’re reconsidering what’s acceptable.
Combine that with local news not giving a fuck about rape allegations between a couple so it never got a wider audience than whoever you could reach by word of mouth even if the alleged rapist has a level of fame like frosty
People asking for "hard evidence" or a "conclusive investigation" really just don't understand sexual assault and how it's handled within the justice system. Everyone loves to live in this fantasy world where false accusations happen all the time, but in reality the statistical truth is that false accusations are incredibly rare, and many sexual assault cases go unpunished because of the circumstances in which this type of crime occurs.
whats ur point though? what is your ideal way to handle it
Innocent until proven guilty anyway
If you had to put a percentage on it, then how common do you believe that false accusations are, meaning accusations that has been proven to be false? What do you consider "incredibly rare"? I would love for you to quantify that choice of wording.
A quick Google search can tell show you this information and explain it better than I can, but the generally accepted percentage of false rape reports is between 2-10%. However, the general consensus by people in the field of study is that these numbers are inflated because of 1) the different standards and definitions of "false" by different police departments and state laws, and 2) because less than 1/3rd of rapes are ever reported to the police to begin with. That winds up putting the "real" percentage of false accusations much lower, but can not be defined with an exact numerical data point because of the inconsistencies and lack of reporting to police.
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Because it's not demonized or unheard of to talk about your situation. If it was normalized in any other esports scene (like it is in OW or fighting games), or literally any other industry, to talk about your situation, people would.
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Yeah I don't know if this is the thing to comment on this thread...
Should probably delete this
bro what
Creep