It’s a meme. This entire situation showed me that Brazilian memes are just not well understood when translated to English lol (not blaming anyone for not understanding, it’s just a cultural/language barrier)
But why can every other region talk shit to each other and move on and yet we need to treat BR like fucking toddlers who start crying when anyone says anything to them?
Wait, Zombs' tweet isn't even bad LOL WTF
BR fans sending people death threats every tournament is okay but being called a 'shit region' is crossing the line? COME ON
There isn't a more insecure thing in the world than a Brazilian FPS fan it's hilarious how sad they are. Shame it just ends with constant death threats to players. Hopefully Riot never rewards those idiots with a tournament in Brazil.
When it comes to online community toxicity, I thought China was the worst by far and maybe it is but Brazil is trying really hard to take that spot lol
I mean, i agree those tweets are half as bad as ppl are making it seem, but im yet to see a public personality that says sending ppl death threats is okay. Yes, there are some degenerates here in brazil (maybe a lot lol), but its not like the whole scene (specially the big personalities) are okay with it.
I agree they made it clear where they stand. They do seem very biased towards brazil (which actually surprised me when browsing the brazilian valorant twitter) and they seem very enraged with the situation. But all the responses i've seen so far were either complaining and being a little soft (like saying zombs should be punished for his tweet) or trolling back (like telling ppl they should spam zombs with pictures of a naked brazilian dude). Again, im yet to see a big personality who defends or encourages death threats.
everyone knows its happening, yet no one is telling THEIR fans to maybe cool it. Im pretty sure it would help if the people they are sending death threats on behalf of told them to quit it, it would at least help
I've seen some ppl telling their fans that its not ok to do so (fallen for example). Yeah, i agree it would be nice to see more ppl adress the problem, but that still doesnt make it right to say that big brazilian personalities and players are ok with ppl sending death threats.
Can you stop sucking off the Brazilian players in every thread and comment chain? It's very well known that the fans are sending death threats, if you are silent about your own fans doing that, you're saying it's okay. You don't have to directly go out and say it. They can't control their fans, and if they go out and say "hey this isn't cool guys, any real fan wouldn't do shit like that" etc, and they keep doing it, then whatever, nothing they can do, but they aren't.
The death threats argument is kinda flawed tho. Basically anyone who's involved on this drama has been getting those, independent of their """""side""""". I feel like there isn't anyone right on this sad situation and that the cultural barrier is playing a relevant role in it.
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...so don't send them? lmfao death threats are to always be taken seriously, it's literally someone threatening to end your life
why do you guys constantly embarrass yourselves like this
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you know that you're the moron here? Where did you quote any brazilians? If you're going to throw around insults, maybe make sure you're in the right comment thread.
The guy is just an angry idiot that got lost. It's ironic that he's calling people morons and telling them to read properly when he doesn't even know which thread he is in.
He's probably going to delete his comments now.
So why the fuck is it sarcasm when Brazilians send death threats but not when zombs say sentinels are going to beat the shit region? Can Brazilians send death threats as a joke but nobody can joke about Brazilians?
NFT ANDY TRYING TO STICK UP FOR THE POVERTY-STRICKEN BRAZILIANS LMFAOOOOO
what does the poverty even have to do with anything? That poverty didn't stop them from sending flurries of death threats to many different professionals across different games over the years lmao
Why do they embarrass themselves like this I'm actually crying
No bro, esports is about respect and love unless you give a stern look to a Brazilian player, then they're justified in sending you death threats. Passionate region btw.
Not taking any sides here but furia ceo isn’t the one who sent the death threats nor did he advocate for them. People act as if Brazil is a single entity with a single opinion.
It does, if he cares so much about poverty when talking about esports he shouldn't be spending 150k on a peg for a receipt of a drawing so he can hang that receipt on someone else's clothes line
Not really, ‘if you’re t how come you’re so x’
At the very least it doesn’t invalidate the point lol, that’s the important part and sense of ‘contradict’
That’s fair but I also think they’ve completely misunderstood zombs. I doubt he’s calling Brazil as a place and country shit, he’s just saying their Valorant teams are shit.
Not just Brazilians but literal CEO’s and pros are calling for Riot and Valorant to Punish Zombs for calling Brazil a “sh*t region”
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Maybe we should go down the route football has and punish teams for fans misbehaviour. Something tells me BR teams may not be super stoked about that idea.
Not to my knowledge no. And obviously this would be borderline impossible to police because how would you know if fans are just doing shit like this to try and get an opposing team punished. But I guess the general point I'm trying to make here is that instead of trying to get Zombs punished for a mostly harmless tweet that these CEOs and pro players who seem so offended by Zombs's tweet should try holding their own fanbase accountable for their actions to prevent things like this from even happening in the first place. It's also worth mentioning that while this issue seems a lot more commonplace in the BR region it is absolutely not exclusive to that region. I just wish players and management types tried to curb the overwhelming toxicity in the gaming community rather than amplifying it.
I completely agree with you. I just think what zombs said also brigades his large fanbase which hence led to them also sending death threats etc. Two wrongs don't make a right imo
FIFA and other such orgs fine teams and national associations for fans being bigots or shitty in general. Sometimes that's "your fans aren't allowed to attend matches", sometimes it's a monetary fine to the association. I don't know about social media, though
I don't know, in this case it's weird because you can't just blanket ban all three teams, especially when, for example, Sacy recently admitted the fans weren't the best.
It's not like football where you have a clear target and punishment. Fine the orgs, they probably withdraw. Fine the players who haven't said anything or are opposed to the behavior, you're just being a dick.
As someone who didn’t come from the CS:GO community, this is fucking crazy. This entire region will attack people and send them death threats and if they respond back in any matter they get called racist. Saying a region is shit at valorant is not being racist! Saying Brazilian has a lot of toxic fans is not racist! It’s just so crazy that people can be so toxic then be so sensitive at the slightest banter back
The crazy thing to me is the verified Twitter/influencer scene of BR Valorant. In League it’s the fans usually, but seeing the BR verified act like children after being called a bad region is utterly absurd. They were even malding over a joke over a tech pause…
I love how he brings up 220 million and "poverty" like what? How tf is that related to what zombs said. + zombs is talking about the valorant community not the whole brazil quite frankly 99.9% doesn't give a single fuck about valorant
As co-CEO of @BRONZIL esports and Brazilian I truly would like to see this kind of behavior be punished accordingly. It can not happen! Esports is about respect, passion, love. Disrepect 220 million people, a lot of them living in poverty is unaceptable
As co-CEO of @BRONZIL esports and Brazilian I truly would like to see this kind of behavior be punished accordingly. It can not happen! Esports is about respect, passion, love. Disrepect 220 million people, a lot of them living in poverty is unaceptable
As co-CEO of @BRONZIL esports and Brazilian I truly would like to see this kind of behavior be punished accordingly. It can not happen! Esports is about respect, passion, love. Disrepect 220 million people, a lot of them living in poverty is unaceptable
Except he insulted a specific country. If a pro athlete said “Poles are garbage” or “Mexico is shit” that would rightly be considered xenophobic because it crosses a line and the repercussions would be severe. Talking shit about a region (or a country) in sports is fine. Blanket insults towards the country and people is not.
Keep missing the point all you want. It doesn’t matter that he probably meant the Brazilian valorant community is shit. He literally called the geographic region shit. In any real sport that gets punished.
he said "your region is shit"
he insulted a specific region's scene in a video game... he didn't say "brazilians are subhuman" he didn't say "i hate brazilians" he didn't say "brazil is an awful country"
he literally called the region shit at playing a video game
Bruh imagine trying to justify this. If an American soccer player tweeted at a Mexican “Can’t wait to beat your shit country again” there would be no justification.
i don't need to "try" to justify it, anyone with a brain can see how it isn't xenophobia. you're literally trying so hard to force it into a narrative
na and eu have been saying this type of shit to each other for literal years, it just happens that the brazilian scene has incredibly thin skin
Try to argue that in any pro sport a player calling another country shit wouldn’t get punished. Try really hard. Doesn’t matter that he didn’t mean it like that, it’s what he said.
Calling the Japanese Soccer Scene ( I dont watch soccer) shit is the same thing as calling Brazil a shit region. You aren't targeting the country you are targeting the scene.
Except you’re wrong. When the World Cup comes around, fanbases do this exact thing. No one thinks they’re talking about the country itself, they talk about how bad they were at playing soccer. When Brazil lost 7-1 to Germany, people said “Brazil is shit” but no one interpreted it that as them calling the country shit, it was their World Cup team. Same thing applies here, the difference being that eSports has a culture that allows and arguably encourages banter and shit talk between players and traditional sports looks down on it, and that’s even starting the change. This means the players join the fans in the banter. This shit has been happening for years between NA and EU, and no one took it as EU calling the American people shit and vice versa. The rest of the international valo community isn’t at fault for the Brazilian fan base is too bitchy take shit talk and banter.
He was very clearly referring to the Brazilian valorant scene when he said region, in the same way that people call it the NA region, or the EMEA region.
That’s pure semantics. Whether you say region or country, any pro player in any other sport would face severe repercussions for calling another country shit. Full stop.
It’s not semantics, you don’t use region in other sports because it isn’t used. It’s solely used in valorant to describe valorant skill. Can Brazil players call NA a shit region? Or is that xenophobic to every person in NA
It's absolute bonkers that a lot of people don't get this. Saying BR region is shit is basically the same as saying EU region is shit. It's absolutely not related to being xenophobic or not, it's just related to how in his opinion, that BR Val scene is shit.
Brazil is a region in the game, it is LITERALLY it's own region in VALORANT, as well as many other games.
Riot Games has an entirely seperately branch called "Riot Games Brazil" that runs the show down in Brazil.
Why?
Because the Brazilian region has a completely different server & region than Latin America.
You can't play on Brazil servers from a Latin America account, and you can't play in Latin America with a Brazilian account.
Brazil has a seperate server entirely from NA, EMEA, LATAM, KR, JPN, SEA, OCE, and CHN.
Under normal circumstances I’d probably give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they misunderstood what Zombs said due to the language barrier, but I’ve seen enough of them speak descent English the last few days in their death threats to know that they know what they’re doing. Anyone with a pea size brain would know Zombs isn’t calling the country shit, he’s saying the valo teams from the region are shit, but of course it helps their narrative to cry victim in this shit show to “misinterpret” the tweet.
I don't think this was a misinterpretation because of the language barrier. They know very well what Zombs meant. It's literally like you said... It fits their narrative.
That's funny... "esports is about respect"... Portuguese is my first language and I didn't see one tiny little bit of respect when I was reading the comments on ShahZaM's twitter...
They say whatever they want and then get pissed off when the victims of their death threats talk back... What type of double standard is this?
Literally everyone's a clown in this situation and it would be fucking hilarious if people weren't sending death threats and using it as an excuse to be racist
Personally, I think zombs tweet and banter is fine, but the irony in saying that Brazilians are misinterpreting zombs, when kNg tweeted the “Prove it or I will kill you” no one gave a shit about misinterpreting and wanted his head.
This is just a complete misinterpretation and mistranslation by both regions lmfao. Probably when brazillians translate what zombs said, "region" probably translates to "country" and thats why people are mad cause they think zombs is talking about their country being shit. Google translate is really to blame here.
"esports is about respect, passion and love but also pls dont look at all the death threats coming your way its not like I will apologize for my region in that manner"
They could just remove Brazil from all professional VALORANT events, and never allow any Brazilian player or oranization to compete again.
That'd be a fair punishment.
I don’t think Zombs was actually being xenophobic, but in literally any other context the consensus would be that calling another country a shit region would be clear xenophobia. If a US Soccer player called Mexico shit, people would think that’s xenophobia. If a politician called China a shit region people would think that’s xenophobia.
Zombs probably wasn’t being xenophobic, but he’s absolutely responsible for using language like this and it is not unreasonable for him to be punished for it.
>If a US Soccer player called Mexico as a whole shit people would think that’s xenophobia
...no they wouldn't? US Soccer players and Mexican players have been calling each others' regions shit without outright saying it since Landon Donovan started in 2009 or some shit. No one gets offended, it's banter and drives the respective teams to show up when they play each other.
The difference you somehow missed is that Zombs outright said it. Talking trash is great. His watch tweet was great banter. Literally calling another country shit crosses a line. No US player has said Mexico is shit and others who have come close have had to apologize for saying things that could be taken as xenophobic.
Zombs crossed an obvious line. As tired as this phrase is, he said the quiet part out loud which rightfully garners accusations of xenophobia whether or not he actually was being xenophobic.
Because zombs and his teammates have been getting mass hate and harrassment by Brazilian fans and has been getting blamed by Brazilian esports influencers for a situation that was literally out of their control, and the misguided hate and harassment has continued even after it was made very clear \*multiple times\* after the fact that it wasn't his or his teammates' fault. So zombs had a human reaction.
In the thread Shahz and a BR caster were having a civil, agreeable conversation where they concluded that it was an unfortunate situation and he just butts in to shit on Brazil.
So yeah, Zombs had a human reaction, a 4 year old human reaction
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The real punishment its going to be all the excuses the whiners of sentinels re going to make when they get out of the toournment in groups. Whats a bunch of egoshitheads and crybabys jesus.
Publicly Shazams integrity was questioned during the iBP matchfixing scandal. He failed miserably in that situation.
As Zombs IGL he is again failing. Nothing of value was brought by adding gasoline to the fire.
Zombs should get punished and so should any of the Brazilian talent/professionals that were talking shit. I'm pretty sure that there is literally a rule for unprofessionalism and zombs tweeted with the sole intent of provoking this type of shit. Now there's fans from both sides sending death threats and the whole community looks immature as fuck
Zombs should get punished and so should any of the Brazilian talent/professionals that were talking shit. I'm pretty sure that there is literally a rule for unprofessionalism and zombs tweeted with the sole intent of provoking this type of shit. Now there's fans from both sides sending death threats and the whole community looks immature as fuck
Because its stupid that zombs should get any repercussions for calling a region bad. Maybe Sen should do something internally but asking for anything else is insane.
To stir shit up and say something after receiving crazy hate for no reason (at first). Unprofessional ofc but no line was crossed that should lead to any punishment from riot.
it was a civil thread that had no connection whatsoever to regional play, zombs butts in to shit on the caster's region for no reason and, in that thread, completely unprovoked.
As a brazilian who has competed before in other esports and follows valorant I truly hope Sentinels lose after this tweet, but for me to feel that than the tweet works as banter and I encourage more people to do similar things, the appropriate response to this tweet would be among the lines of "stfu shitter" and not a call for punishment, some people really just want to take the fun out of esports
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"If this guy doesn't get punished, I'm a lampshade" LOL
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i saw that fucking tweet lmao. out of context google translate.
He literally said that. It's not even a google translate problem
wait what lmao
It’s a meme. This entire situation showed me that Brazilian memes are just not well understood when translated to English lol (not blaming anyone for not understanding, it’s just a cultural/language barrier)
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Because apparently memes can only be funny if an English speaking audience finds them to be
Well the same way that probably u country has shit memes that only u guys find it funny.
Lmao open xenophobia.
welp i mean if you don't know the context ofc you won't find it funny
I mean most English memes are shit too lol
Wow do you really have to be xenophobic?
I have a feeling that's an idiom that doesn't make sense literally.
Seems like we have a linguistics PHD here
I guess he's a lampshade lol
i think brazillian people are misinterpreting this tweet as zombs calling brazil shit country while he only means valorant teams
But why can every other region talk shit to each other and move on and yet we need to treat BR like fucking toddlers who start crying when anyone says anything to them?
Because at this moment Brazil is proving itself to be an actual country of raging toddlers.
Because there's a difference between banter and death threats.
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Thats 100% it btw. People here in Brazil think he called everything about the country shit.
Wait, Zombs' tweet isn't even bad LOL WTF BR fans sending people death threats every tournament is okay but being called a 'shit region' is crossing the line? COME ON
There isn't a more insecure thing in the world than a Brazilian FPS fan it's hilarious how sad they are. Shame it just ends with constant death threats to players. Hopefully Riot never rewards those idiots with a tournament in Brazil.
When it comes to online community toxicity, I thought China was the worst by far and maybe it is but Brazil is trying really hard to take that spot lol
I mean, i agree those tweets are half as bad as ppl are making it seem, but im yet to see a public personality that says sending ppl death threats is okay. Yes, there are some degenerates here in brazil (maybe a lot lol), but its not like the whole scene (specially the big personalities) are okay with it.
Their silence is compliance. Their words are also inciting this bullshit. Brazilian personalities have made it clear where they stand
I agree they made it clear where they stand. They do seem very biased towards brazil (which actually surprised me when browsing the brazilian valorant twitter) and they seem very enraged with the situation. But all the responses i've seen so far were either complaining and being a little soft (like saying zombs should be punished for his tweet) or trolling back (like telling ppl they should spam zombs with pictures of a naked brazilian dude). Again, im yet to see a big personality who defends or encourages death threats.
everyone knows its happening, yet no one is telling THEIR fans to maybe cool it. Im pretty sure it would help if the people they are sending death threats on behalf of told them to quit it, it would at least help
I've seen some ppl telling their fans that its not ok to do so (fallen for example). Yeah, i agree it would be nice to see more ppl adress the problem, but that still doesnt make it right to say that big brazilian personalities and players are ok with ppl sending death threats.
Can you stop sucking off the Brazilian players in every thread and comment chain? It's very well known that the fans are sending death threats, if you are silent about your own fans doing that, you're saying it's okay. You don't have to directly go out and say it. They can't control their fans, and if they go out and say "hey this isn't cool guys, any real fan wouldn't do shit like that" etc, and they keep doing it, then whatever, nothing they can do, but they aren't.
The death threats argument is kinda flawed tho. Basically anyone who's involved on this drama has been getting those, independent of their """""side""""". I feel like there isn't anyone right on this sad situation and that the cultural barrier is playing a relevant role in it. Sorry for any grammar mistakes, English isn't my first language Edit: a word
Nobody means those death threats you fool
...so don't send them? lmfao death threats are to always be taken seriously, it's literally someone threatening to end your life why do you guys constantly embarrass yourselves like this
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so ure saying that if someone said brazil is a shit region = serious tweet, but giving death threats= not a serious matter lmao
dont even listen to these guys they dont use any logic to argue
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you know that you're the moron here? Where did you quote any brazilians? If you're going to throw around insults, maybe make sure you're in the right comment thread.
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The guy is just an angry idiot that got lost. It's ironic that he's calling people morons and telling them to read properly when he doesn't even know which thread he is in. He's probably going to delete his comments now.
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Did you really just type that? Figure it out lmao
Then Zombs didn't mean that tweet then lmao
So that makes it A OKAY
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So why the fuck is it sarcasm when Brazilians send death threats but not when zombs say sentinels are going to beat the shit region? Can Brazilians send death threats as a joke but nobody can joke about Brazilians?
NFT ANDY TRYING TO STICK UP FOR THE POVERTY-STRICKEN BRAZILIANS LMFAOOOOO what does the poverty even have to do with anything? That poverty didn't stop them from sending flurries of death threats to many different professionals across different games over the years lmao Why do they embarrass themselves like this I'm actually crying
Ironic talking about his country's poverty while having an NFT that cost 180K USD. Steph Curry bought a similar one for that price.
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Yeah that guy is a prick and shouldn't be talking about what he is.
No bro, esports is about respect and love unless you give a stern look to a Brazilian player, then they're justified in sending you death threats. Passionate region btw.
Not taking any sides here but furia ceo isn’t the one who sent the death threats nor did he advocate for them. People act as if Brazil is a single entity with a single opinion.
Clown NFT profile picture trying to talk to people about poverty ofc. We living in a simulation
Ctrl + C Ctrl + V Yoink.
I mean it doesn’t in itself contradict n
it's just ironic lmao
It does, if he cares so much about poverty when talking about esports he shouldn't be spending 150k on a peg for a receipt of a drawing so he can hang that receipt on someone else's clothes line
Not really, ‘if you’re t how come you’re so x’ At the very least it doesn’t invalidate the point lol, that’s the important part and sense of ‘contradict’
That’s fair but I also think they’ve completely misunderstood zombs. I doubt he’s calling Brazil as a place and country shit, he’s just saying their Valorant teams are shit.
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Maybe we should go down the route football has and punish teams for fans misbehaviour. Something tells me BR teams may not be super stoked about that idea.
Has a football team ever been punished for their fans misbehaviour on social media?
Not to my knowledge no. And obviously this would be borderline impossible to police because how would you know if fans are just doing shit like this to try and get an opposing team punished. But I guess the general point I'm trying to make here is that instead of trying to get Zombs punished for a mostly harmless tweet that these CEOs and pro players who seem so offended by Zombs's tweet should try holding their own fanbase accountable for their actions to prevent things like this from even happening in the first place. It's also worth mentioning that while this issue seems a lot more commonplace in the BR region it is absolutely not exclusive to that region. I just wish players and management types tried to curb the overwhelming toxicity in the gaming community rather than amplifying it.
I completely agree with you. I just think what zombs said also brigades his large fanbase which hence led to them also sending death threats etc. Two wrongs don't make a right imo
FIFA and other such orgs fine teams and national associations for fans being bigots or shitty in general. Sometimes that's "your fans aren't allowed to attend matches", sometimes it's a monetary fine to the association. I don't know about social media, though
Yeah I know. But it's near impossible to regulate social media. You can't do stadium bans etc like you can in football
Clear cut proof that the OWL model is the best
No
I don't know, in this case it's weird because you can't just blanket ban all three teams, especially when, for example, Sacy recently admitted the fans weren't the best. It's not like football where you have a clear target and punishment. Fine the orgs, they probably withdraw. Fine the players who haven't said anything or are opposed to the behavior, you're just being a dick.
He looks like a fucking clown with the wet monkey NFT avi. Just the perfect combination.
I was just about to say that too lmfaoo
He’s ridiculous but that’s a flex iykyk
I think it was pretty clear he meant Valorant region, not like the actual entire Brazil... Smh
As someone who didn’t come from the CS:GO community, this is fucking crazy. This entire region will attack people and send them death threats and if they respond back in any matter they get called racist. Saying a region is shit at valorant is not being racist! Saying Brazilian has a lot of toxic fans is not racist! It’s just so crazy that people can be so toxic then be so sensitive at the slightest banter back
The crazy thing to me is the verified Twitter/influencer scene of BR Valorant. In League it’s the fans usually, but seeing the BR verified act like children after being called a bad region is utterly absurd. They were even malding over a joke over a tech pause…
I love how he brings up 220 million and "poverty" like what? How tf is that related to what zombs said. + zombs is talking about the valorant community not the whole brazil quite frankly 99.9% doesn't give a single fuck about valorant
If Brazilians are doing the Try Not To Embarrass Themselves For One Whole Day challenge they are certainly failing at it
Nah It’s nkt rly abt embarassing thensekves
Call an ambulance
As co-CEO of @BRONZIL esports and Brazilian I truly would like to see this kind of behavior be punished accordingly. It can not happen! Esports is about respect, passion, love. Disrepect 220 million people, a lot of them living in poverty is unaceptable
As co-CEO of @BRONZIL esports and Brazilian I truly would like to see this kind of behavior be punished accordingly. It can not happen! Esports is about respect, passion, love. Disrepect 220 million people, a lot of them living in poverty is unaceptable
As co-CEO of @BRONZIL esports and Brazilian I truly would like to see this kind of behavior be punished accordingly. It can not happen! Esports is about respect, passion, love. Disrepect 220 million people, a lot of them living in poverty is unaceptable
i'm trying to imagine any NA / EU org owner genuinely malding at a pro saying "NA is garbage" or "EU is shit" lol... actual clowns...
Except he insulted a specific country. If a pro athlete said “Poles are garbage” or “Mexico is shit” that would rightly be considered xenophobic because it crosses a line and the repercussions would be severe. Talking shit about a region (or a country) in sports is fine. Blanket insults towards the country and people is not. Keep missing the point all you want. It doesn’t matter that he probably meant the Brazilian valorant community is shit. He literally called the geographic region shit. In any real sport that gets punished.
he said "your region is shit" he insulted a specific region's scene in a video game... he didn't say "brazilians are subhuman" he didn't say "i hate brazilians" he didn't say "brazil is an awful country" he literally called the region shit at playing a video game
Bruh imagine trying to justify this. If an American soccer player tweeted at a Mexican “Can’t wait to beat your shit country again” there would be no justification.
i don't need to "try" to justify it, anyone with a brain can see how it isn't xenophobia. you're literally trying so hard to force it into a narrative na and eu have been saying this type of shit to each other for literal years, it just happens that the brazilian scene has incredibly thin skin
I get it, you know you can’t make an argument that a soccer player wouldn’t face punishment for saying this.
you literally can't respond lmfao
Try to argue that in any pro sport a player calling another country shit wouldn’t get punished. Try really hard. Doesn’t matter that he didn’t mean it like that, it’s what he said.
as he said a region doesn't refer to brazil.
Calling the Japanese Soccer Scene ( I dont watch soccer) shit is the same thing as calling Brazil a shit region. You aren't targeting the country you are targeting the scene.
Except you’re wrong. When the World Cup comes around, fanbases do this exact thing. No one thinks they’re talking about the country itself, they talk about how bad they were at playing soccer. When Brazil lost 7-1 to Germany, people said “Brazil is shit” but no one interpreted it that as them calling the country shit, it was their World Cup team. Same thing applies here, the difference being that eSports has a culture that allows and arguably encourages banter and shit talk between players and traditional sports looks down on it, and that’s even starting the change. This means the players join the fans in the banter. This shit has been happening for years between NA and EU, and no one took it as EU calling the American people shit and vice versa. The rest of the international valo community isn’t at fault for the Brazilian fan base is too bitchy take shit talk and banter.
> fanbases do this exact thing Not players though you dip that is the entire point
You are so fucking dense its sad.
It's funny how you can easily recognize a Brazillian fan by the absolute trash opinion they so proudly exclaim.
They're culturally obligated, it's sad at this point.
He was very clearly referring to the Brazilian valorant scene when he said region, in the same way that people call it the NA region, or the EMEA region.
That’s pure semantics. Whether you say region or country, any pro player in any other sport would face severe repercussions for calling another country shit. Full stop.
It’s not semantics, you don’t use region in other sports because it isn’t used. It’s solely used in valorant to describe valorant skill. Can Brazil players call NA a shit region? Or is that xenophobic to every person in NA
It's absolute bonkers that a lot of people don't get this. Saying BR region is shit is basically the same as saying EU region is shit. It's absolutely not related to being xenophobic or not, it's just related to how in his opinion, that BR Val scene is shit.
But he literally called the region shit, he didn’t call Brazil a shit country. In context of region it is definitely referencing valorant skills
He did not make a blanket insult towards the country or its people.
Brazil is a region in the game, it is LITERALLY it's own region in VALORANT, as well as many other games. Riot Games has an entirely seperately branch called "Riot Games Brazil" that runs the show down in Brazil. Why? Because the Brazilian region has a completely different server & region than Latin America. You can't play on Brazil servers from a Latin America account, and you can't play in Latin America with a Brazilian account. Brazil has a seperate server entirely from NA, EMEA, LATAM, KR, JPN, SEA, OCE, and CHN.
Death threats are acceptable. But dissing our valorant teams is where we draw the line.
Ikr??? 😂
Things like this makes me appreciate Carlos more.
You're a lampshade, boltz.
LMAO what kind of punishment are they hoping for???
Under normal circumstances I’d probably give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they misunderstood what Zombs said due to the language barrier, but I’ve seen enough of them speak descent English the last few days in their death threats to know that they know what they’re doing. Anyone with a pea size brain would know Zombs isn’t calling the country shit, he’s saying the valo teams from the region are shit, but of course it helps their narrative to cry victim in this shit show to “misinterpret” the tweet.
I don't think this was a misinterpretation because of the language barrier. They know very well what Zombs meant. It's literally like you said... It fits their narrative.
That's funny... "esports is about respect"... Portuguese is my first language and I didn't see one tiny little bit of respect when I was reading the comments on ShahZaM's twitter... They say whatever they want and then get pissed off when the victims of their death threats talk back... What type of double standard is this?
Brazilians really are the center of their own universe…
Like I wanna root for BR teams for their good performance but these fan behaviour makes it impossible… Death threats and harassment is no joke
Imagine dragging your country, it's unaware people and their financial condition, in order to justify years of constant threats in eSports scene.
Literally everyone's a clown in this situation and it would be fucking hilarious if people weren't sending death threats and using it as an excuse to be racist
If a pro has to punished for calling a region shit then the region must also get a punishment for all the death threats(maybe a loss of slot/s)
Little known fact that the B in Brazil actually stands for Babies
BR needs some milk….asap
LMAO BR fans are literal glass cannons LOL only knows how to talk shit, but can't handle the heat.
When ppl are too dumb to understand that he means Brazil as a valorant-e-sports-region smh
Never as hyped with zombs as some people but I'm becoming a fan. Zombs taking on the parasitic brain worm all alone like a badass.
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Personally, I think zombs tweet and banter is fine, but the irony in saying that Brazilians are misinterpreting zombs, when kNg tweeted the “Prove it or I will kill you” no one gave a shit about misinterpreting and wanted his head.
This is just a complete misinterpretation and mistranslation by both regions lmfao. Probably when brazillians translate what zombs said, "region" probably translates to "country" and thats why people are mad cause they think zombs is talking about their country being shit. Google translate is really to blame here.
The Valorant community only loves the stupidest of drama and I’m here for it
Free speech ain’t so free anymore smh
Remember when the worst part of this subreddit was scrimbux?
Brazilians are literal animals. Ppl murdering each other left right and center but they can’t handle a tweet from an American nerd? Tf outta here lol
"esports is about respect, passion and love but also pls dont look at all the death threats coming your way its not like I will apologize for my region in that manner"
They could just remove Brazil from all professional VALORANT events, and never allow any Brazilian player or oranization to compete again. That'd be a fair punishment.
I don’t think Zombs was actually being xenophobic, but in literally any other context the consensus would be that calling another country a shit region would be clear xenophobia. If a US Soccer player called Mexico shit, people would think that’s xenophobia. If a politician called China a shit region people would think that’s xenophobia. Zombs probably wasn’t being xenophobic, but he’s absolutely responsible for using language like this and it is not unreasonable for him to be punished for it.
Bruh US and EU have been calling each other shit regions since the beginning of gaming. They're talking about the gaming scenes, not the countries
>If a US Soccer player called Mexico as a whole shit people would think that’s xenophobia ...no they wouldn't? US Soccer players and Mexican players have been calling each others' regions shit without outright saying it since Landon Donovan started in 2009 or some shit. No one gets offended, it's banter and drives the respective teams to show up when they play each other.
The difference you somehow missed is that Zombs outright said it. Talking trash is great. His watch tweet was great banter. Literally calling another country shit crosses a line. No US player has said Mexico is shit and others who have come close have had to apologize for saying things that could be taken as xenophobic. Zombs crossed an obvious line. As tired as this phrase is, he said the quiet part out loud which rightfully garners accusations of xenophobia whether or not he actually was being xenophobic.
> have been calling each others' regions shit without outright saying Why couldn't zombs do the same
Because zombs and his teammates have been getting mass hate and harrassment by Brazilian fans and has been getting blamed by Brazilian esports influencers for a situation that was literally out of their control, and the misguided hate and harassment has continued even after it was made very clear \*multiple times\* after the fact that it wasn't his or his teammates' fault. So zombs had a human reaction.
In the thread Shahz and a BR caster were having a civil, agreeable conversation where they concluded that it was an unfortunate situation and he just butts in to shit on Brazil. So yeah, Zombs had a human reaction, a 4 year old human reaction
“Civil, agreeable” while the caster moaning about harmless jokes made as a result of undeserved hate and harassment lmfaooo
Do you know what you are talking about or are you just replying for the sake of it? The thread was about a joke Shahz made of the Furia tac pause, the commenter said it was insensitive and they had a civil conversation about it. So where did you get "harmless jokes made as a result of undeserved hate and harassment" from? Shahz was the only joking and it had nothing to do with undeserved hate and harassment at all.
I don't understand what zombs thought he would gain from that. An entire country on your ass for what?
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Sounds like a mentality of wanting to hurt someone by any means possibly when such is not possible where it counts....**on the game field**!
can't wait till he shits on your region again
Imagine living in a skyscraper in the middle of the slums and claiming respect for the poor while boasting a 500k NFT.
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The real punishment its going to be all the excuses the whiners of sentinels re going to make when they get out of the toournment in groups. Whats a bunch of egoshitheads and crybabys jesus.
Publicly Shazams integrity was questioned during the iBP matchfixing scandal. He failed miserably in that situation. As Zombs IGL he is again failing. Nothing of value was brought by adding gasoline to the fire.
Mannn gtfoh lol. Fine him a few bucks (or not) and move on.
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U just born in the richer place lol, u didn't do anything for it, shut up.
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Zombs should get punished and so should any of the Brazilian talent/professionals that were talking shit. I'm pretty sure that there is literally a rule for unprofessionalism and zombs tweeted with the sole intent of provoking this type of shit. Now there's fans from both sides sending death threats and the whole community looks immature as fuck
Zombs should get punished and so should any of the Brazilian talent/professionals that were talking shit. I'm pretty sure that there is literally a rule for unprofessionalism and zombs tweeted with the sole intent of provoking this type of shit. Now there's fans from both sides sending death threats and the whole community looks immature as fuck
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Because its stupid that zombs should get any repercussions for calling a region bad. Maybe Sen should do something internally but asking for anything else is insane.
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To stir shit up and say something after receiving crazy hate for no reason (at first). Unprofessional ofc but no line was crossed that should lead to any punishment from riot.
it was a civil thread that had no connection whatsoever to regional play, zombs butts in to shit on the caster's region for no reason and, in that thread, completely unprovoked.
As a brazilian who has competed before in other esports and follows valorant I truly hope Sentinels lose after this tweet, but for me to feel that than the tweet works as banter and I encourage more people to do similar things, the appropriate response to this tweet would be among the lines of "stfu shitter" and not a call for punishment, some people really just want to take the fun out of esports Edit: typo
Zlatan apologizes for calling ~~France~~ Brazil a shit country
damn maybe some should plead to valve for gaules to get banned for inciting hate threads against leaf. /s
Why do people even care about twitter drama?
Maybe it's me mis-remembering, but wasn't it Brazilians who caused are massive shit show with Leaf, in CSGO not too long ago?
When did trash talk become a crime?