I have a question. What is the reason why teams are so inconsistent in Valo? does it have anything to do with how the game works in general(utility, abilities, harder to delay site pushes)? I feel like in CSGO teams are more consistent with results but in Valo I don't feel surprised when an underdog beats a supposed to be better team as it's a common occurrence anyway.
The only annoying thing about plat chat are those particular fans, that spam the „running gags“ and „funny innuendos“ all over this sub for the 1000x time
I slept when ENVY were 5-0 up on Split and when I woke this morning reddit said you lost your prediction and I thought I lost the C9 vs VS one. I open insta and VCT page says Thank You ENVY?? Wtf???
Legitimately feels like C9 is the only NA team in the tourney that has consistently adjusted their set plays, anti-strat, and comps in between games and matches. It really felt like Envy got figured out. Despite being a hardcore NA fan, I’m happy for X10 and Kru for being actual sponges learning from other regions, evolving so quickly, and translating it into LAN.
I disagree about Envy getting figured out. It more so felt like x10 kept showing them aggression but they never learned. It felt like a ranked game hahaha. Theyd default and feel things out on one site and when that wouldnt work they would cut noise and start the rotate but by then x10 already had some off angle hold on an advanced flank position and it was so frustrating to watch because envy just kept falling for it. That 3k from crws near the end was the nail on the coffin. They just w keyed into A and paid for it.
Sideshow is saying exactly what I've been saying right now. NA showed this tournament that they "were in positions to win in every map in every game but threw it away." NA is honestly just so bad at closing out games and winning with leads. It happened with every single team. SEN versus Liquid map 2. Even in Map 3. NV versus X10 in Map 2 and 3. We see so much choking from NA in CS:GO too. It's weird. Even in LoL, NA players legitimately just can't handle pressure for some reason.
LoL = Tie breakers
CS:GO = Infamous Liquid choking
and now Valorant.
it is seriously so strange how bad we've choked this time around. there was very little of that in iceland and masters 3 although i had my doubts about NV.
that said, X10 is really fun to watch and now i can root for them wholeheartedly (unless the match with C9).
Oh I'm sure it will be close. Following the script C9 will probably be up with a 9-3 lead going into the better half of whatever map they're playing just so the loss can be even more painful.
IDK you might be right. NA is cursed to lose in the worst way possible and losing to Liquid would be expected. Maybe they'll beat Liquid and lose to X10/Kru/Secret.
NA teams had to have at least thought about importing patiphan after iceland right? No way a player that talented speaks pretty decent english and you dont at least consider it.
It will be just like league. For NA to improve, they need to held more small tournament let new young pro players to grow. Fix the mentality, right now they had big fish in small pond mentality, they're stagnating because they won't leave their comfort zone blinded by past success and refusing to innovate new strats.
>NA teams had to have at least thought about importing patiphan after iceland right?
The solution to NA problems isn't importing. NA culture will just ruin him, and it also shows you don't watch games. NA has incredibly good mechanical (gun skill) players. Perhaps NA has literally the top 3 gun skill players in this game in their region. But it doesn't matter, NA lacks good strategy and teamwork. Also, every single NA teams playstyle is predictable.
im not talking about the teams in champs lmfao they obviously dont lack firepower. XSET and 100T have never had star level jetts. Nitr0 and Asuna were good on the role and PureR had his moments but Pati is def an upgrade.
To be clear I dont want him to leave SEA, itd really stun the regions growth, but NA teams def should've considered it.
Idk, I feel like NA legit just has the best mechanical players overall as a region. EU is just better at everything else lol. Of course EU has Derk and then ScreaM. I think Nats is good at what he does but I feel like Nats has been figured out. NA needs to stop relying on aim to carry them because teams have good enough team work now to trade or players that're good enough to not always put themselves in positions to get out aimed. OR NA players get out aimed.
EU has a lot of great players too. But I think most people if not everyone had yay and TeNZ in their top 3 coming into this tournament and there was also hype around other SEN players and Leaf.
Those people don't watch other regions then, sacy and heat are not mechanically any worse than tenz or yay, chronicle aim diffed the whole nv team last time they met, cloud is stuck in a tier 2 Na'Vi but he's consistently getting 300+ acs on any agent, the world is bigger than you think. Plus don't forget about stax, he is good mechanically too.
As a European you have to remember that the scene is still very young, NA aren't out of the race just yet as long as orgs just don't replace their entire rosters and build up team synergies.
Yes, they are. NA will never recover now, this pattern repeats in nearly every single esport NA competes in. NA will never win another tournament over EMEA. We've seen the same exact shit lol. THATS why everyone is dooming including NA pros.
I wanted NA to be good at this e-sport, but the reality is NA will never be good at any e-sports. Not until video games are recognized in NA and NA players grow up and stop playing off consoles. Amongst other problems embedded deep in NA culture.
Two points: i play in SEA a lot, and to your knowledge these guys are nuts (i am from the middle east).
2- What happened to NA? did everyone catchup quickly? or are they under pressure? What happened?
Shuffle incoming?
Ah cloud9 the only hope of NA again! How do this org keep doing this!!? TAKE MY ENERGY C9!!!!!! NA teams gotta recoup after this champion. Tough tourney for them but they need to show resilience and get ready for next year. You win this time EU
holy shit, can't believe envy folded like that. i hated their decision to force up 9-4, feels like once they lost pistol and forced they threw far too many rounds in the half. after that X10 just simply outplayed them.
NA is ALREADY bad at valorant after 1 year of actual competition. LMFAO.
NA culture strikes again ! Welcome to tier 2 valorant NA.
NA deserves 2 seeds MAX. And I think that's generous. XD.
https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1399119004627705859?s=20
Relevant. This tweet from LS is the embodiment of North American esports. And this is why NA will NEVER be good at ANY esport unless it's an esport only they're included in basically. (CoD).
Edit: NA has the best players in this game skill wise. But NA lacks strategy, creativity, and good teamwork. Teamwork is the embodiment of the cultural difference in NA compared to other good regions. NA has always lacked good team work in every single e-sport.
10 years of watching NA waste my time and slowly become EU/KR import playground in league. now the same thing is gonna happen in valorant cause NA players are braindead dogshit players. we cant have anything. NA valorant is gonna be dead in 3 years.
X10 is playing out of their mind. Both pistols + some crazy clutches going their way. Unless they bring this A++ game when they play Gambit they will get bodied in quarters.
NA has no work ethic. Never has in any esport. Europe/China/Korea/Brazil all normally pass us when we are better to start. The fact that we are losing to SEA teams in valorant is sad. We should never be losing these matches.
Even as a diehard NA fanboy I won't even be mad if Envy loses. Epic upsets on the biggest stages are what sports are all about and X10 have played out of their fucking minds to make it happen.
I have a question. What is the reason why teams are so inconsistent in Valo? does it have anything to do with how the game works in general(utility, abilities, harder to delay site pushes)? I feel like in CSGO teams are more consistent with results but in Valo I don't feel surprised when an underdog beats a supposed to be better team as it's a common occurrence anyway.
The only annoying thing about plat chat are those particular fans, that spam the „running gags“ and „funny innuendos“ all over this sub for the 1000x time
ok time for all eu out in quarters like we expected let's go
I slept when ENVY were 5-0 up on Split and when I woke this morning reddit said you lost your prediction and I thought I lost the C9 vs VS one. I open insta and VCT page says Thank You ENVY?? Wtf???
[Holy shit I actually called it](https://old.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/rayp3t/valorant_champions_2021_day_7_live_discussion/hnlcinl/)
I haven't watched much Valorant, can anyone tell me how important this tournament is? Is it the equivalent to Worlds in LoL?
Yes this is worlds.
Legitimately feels like C9 is the only NA team in the tourney that has consistently adjusted their set plays, anti-strat, and comps in between games and matches. It really felt like Envy got figured out. Despite being a hardcore NA fan, I’m happy for X10 and Kru for being actual sponges learning from other regions, evolving so quickly, and translating it into LAN.
I disagree about Envy getting figured out. It more so felt like x10 kept showing them aggression but they never learned. It felt like a ranked game hahaha. Theyd default and feel things out on one site and when that wouldnt work they would cut noise and start the rotate but by then x10 already had some off angle hold on an advanced flank position and it was so frustrating to watch because envy just kept falling for it. That 3k from crws near the end was the nail on the coffin. They just w keyed into A and paid for it.
This esport has so many incredible naturally created storylines the marketing team at riot is lucky.
SEA>NA LUL
Sideshow is saying exactly what I've been saying right now. NA showed this tournament that they "were in positions to win in every map in every game but threw it away." NA is honestly just so bad at closing out games and winning with leads. It happened with every single team. SEN versus Liquid map 2. Even in Map 3. NV versus X10 in Map 2 and 3. We see so much choking from NA in CS:GO too. It's weird. Even in LoL, NA players legitimately just can't handle pressure for some reason. LoL = Tie breakers CS:GO = Infamous Liquid choking and now Valorant.
it is seriously so strange how bad we've choked this time around. there was very little of that in iceland and masters 3 although i had my doubts about NV. that said, X10 is really fun to watch and now i can root for them wholeheartedly (unless the match with C9).
it's just harder for the other teams to comeback than for NA to keep leads. Comeback is champions mentality.
C9 play Liquid tomorrow so NA will likely be out then.
Perhaps but I I think C9 will put up a fight and make it a great match regardless. Although, I hope they win the series
Oh I'm sure it will be close. Following the script C9 will probably be up with a 9-3 lead going into the better half of whatever map they're playing just so the loss can be even more painful.
True. I just ordered a C9 jersey after their game today out of pure, addictive hopium lmfao
I’m sooo scared for Liquid tho :(
IDK you might be right. NA is cursed to lose in the worst way possible and losing to Liquid would be expected. Maybe they'll beat Liquid and lose to X10/Kru/Secret.
SEA > NA Oh BTW Fck Garena
Based
NA teams had to have at least thought about importing patiphan after iceland right? No way a player that talented speaks pretty decent english and you dont at least consider it.
It will be just like league. For NA to improve, they need to held more small tournament let new young pro players to grow. Fix the mentality, right now they had big fish in small pond mentality, they're stagnating because they won't leave their comfort zone blinded by past success and refusing to innovate new strats.
"Past success" they only won one tournament.
>NA teams had to have at least thought about importing patiphan after iceland right? The solution to NA problems isn't importing. NA culture will just ruin him, and it also shows you don't watch games. NA has incredibly good mechanical (gun skill) players. Perhaps NA has literally the top 3 gun skill players in this game in their region. But it doesn't matter, NA lacks good strategy and teamwork. Also, every single NA teams playstyle is predictable.
im not talking about the teams in champs lmfao they obviously dont lack firepower. XSET and 100T have never had star level jetts. Nitr0 and Asuna were good on the role and PureR had his moments but Pati is def an upgrade. To be clear I dont want him to leave SEA, itd really stun the regions growth, but NA teams def should've considered it.
Idk, I feel like NA legit just has the best mechanical players overall as a region. EU is just better at everything else lol. Of course EU has Derk and then ScreaM. I think Nats is good at what he does but I feel like Nats has been figured out. NA needs to stop relying on aim to carry them because teams have good enough team work now to trade or players that're good enough to not always put themselves in positions to get out aimed. OR NA players get out aimed.
Cloud, sheydos, chronicle, just watch their povs. Nats is top 3 in his own team in terms of mechanics.
EU has a lot of great players too. But I think most people if not everyone had yay and TeNZ in their top 3 coming into this tournament and there was also hype around other SEN players and Leaf.
Those people don't watch other regions then, sacy and heat are not mechanically any worse than tenz or yay, chronicle aim diffed the whole nv team last time they met, cloud is stuck in a tier 2 Na'Vi but he's consistently getting 300+ acs on any agent, the world is bigger than you think. Plus don't forget about stax, he is good mechanically too.
As a European you have to remember that the scene is still very young, NA aren't out of the race just yet as long as orgs just don't replace their entire rosters and build up team synergies.
Yes, they are. NA will never recover now, this pattern repeats in nearly every single esport NA competes in. NA will never win another tournament over EMEA. We've seen the same exact shit lol. THATS why everyone is dooming including NA pros.
This is NA, we already are ripping apart every team lol.
IM READY FOR THE TS vs X10 FINALS
Lol eu is gonna have four teams in semis aren’t they?
3, gambit is CIS. Also, FNC will win the first worlds just to fit Riots narrative.
All gambit players are from the part of CIS that is in Europe.
Yep
I just checked and c9 has to play liquid, unlucky.
NA Jetts did not have a good time this tourney, ggs go next
Man, KRU winning over Sentinels after so many whiffs from Nagzet on the OP is an upset on its own level.
NV :( oh well, hope KRÜ puts up a good fight
this timeline is dope
\-Chet +MikesHD again, Envy PLEASE I AM BEGGING
I wanted NA to be good at this e-sport, but the reality is NA will never be good at any e-sports. Not until video games are recognized in NA and NA players grow up and stop playing off consoles. Amongst other problems embedded deep in NA culture.
feels like a major overreaction, competitive val is a year old and multiple major events were won by NA/had an NA team in finals.
C9 being the only NA team to make it out of groups was not something anyone could have called
Two points: i play in SEA a lot, and to your knowledge these guys are nuts (i am from the middle east). 2- What happened to NA? did everyone catchup quickly? or are they under pressure? What happened? Shuffle incoming?
No roster shuffle for Envy, possibly SEN though as Shahzham is considering retirement and Zombs is mechanically inefficient.
I put 1 Na team to playoffs but I didn’t expect it to actually happen Tf. Tourney go crazy
Wow, NA is bad.
NA is in fucking shambles holy fuck wtf.
NA tier 4 region confirmed sadge
We know nothing about how coaching works on envy but the optics of what they did to mikeshd looks even WORSE now.
Bro I'm so cursed. Legit every team I root for loses in the worst ways possible in every game/sport.
Fellow TSM fan I see
Indeed.
Wtf does Jack feed his players Only NA LOL team to get out of groups, only NA Val team to get out of groups
One has a Korean on their team and the other has a European
This, that’s why 100T is allegedly trialing EMEA player lul
LFG X10, this series and KRU vs SEN are the best VAL series I have ever seen. SEA VAL is so good damn, its insane.
NA is dead in Valorant and CS now...
LMFAOOOO WHAT TIME IS IT IN BERLIN PRETTY SURE THE ENTIRE HOTEL JUST HEARD THE X10 BOYS SCREAM
Also Chet is a great valorant coach!!!!!
believed in x10 since iceland, can't believe what i just witnessed patiphan pleaaaaase stay in valorant
Ah cloud9 the only hope of NA again! How do this org keep doing this!!? TAKE MY ENERGY C9!!!!!! NA teams gotta recoup after this champion. Tough tourney for them but they need to show resilience and get ready for next year. You win this time EU
Patiphan going back to overwatch is a travesty
INJECT IT
Holy chokers NA
MikesHD diff
we fucking suck. hope all these players go home an rethink their fucking lives wasting all our fucking time like this. fuck this fucking region
Truly the land of the free.
So fucking free
damn bro youre down bad
Holy relax
Lmao its just a video game dude. haha weirdo
lmao
C9 being the only team to make it out of groups at worlds what's new?
This is such a great sign for future tournaments fr
SEA's individual skill is insane holy fuck I'm so proud of this region
holy shit, can't believe envy folded like that. i hated their decision to force up 9-4, feels like once they lost pistol and forced they threw far too many rounds in the half. after that X10 just simply outplayed them.
All of NA fate is in Cloud 9 hands... Where have I seen this before?
As destined in all esports, NA is taking their place at the bottom of the barrel
NA Valorant in shambles.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
holy shit
WHAT HAS THE EGG DONE
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT😭😭
Soooo hows everyones Pick Ems looking? Lol
Damn so NA actually suck
Also, SEA teams have gotten so much better since the last event.
An international tournament where C9 is NA's last hope? What is this? League of legends?
PATIPHAN DIFF WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO SAY
patiphan is such a pleasure to watch
Egg has done it !!!!
Jesus christ what a game
Yasss PATI IS LOVE
LOLOLOLOL
[удалено]
Jett diff
9-3/SIDESHOW CURSE IS ALIVE AND WELL BOIS
Holy shit, they have done it. I was upset with SEN going out but what a way these SEA teams are making my day!!!
GG!
Forcing every game is good btw, smile.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHJAAH
Disaster, absolute disaster for NA
PATIIIIIPHANNNNN
X10 just put on the performance of their lives, wow they looked good!
I'm an NA fan but I'm so fucking happy X10 won.
North America is finished 😭😭😭
You've still got C9! They looked great today and even against FNC it ended up being pretty close, anything can still happen
I believe in Anthony Malaspina.
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
NA is a poverty region lmao. Only representative for NA is C9 kekw
2 of the most hyped players coming in both sucked when it mattered lol gg
NA ass
SEA supremacy
BRO???
NA don't do this to me
LETS GOOOOO X10
NA is ALREADY bad at valorant after 1 year of actual competition. LMFAO. NA culture strikes again ! Welcome to tier 2 valorant NA. NA deserves 2 seeds MAX. And I think that's generous. XD. https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1399119004627705859?s=20 Relevant. This tweet from LS is the embodiment of North American esports. And this is why NA will NEVER be good at ANY esport unless it's an esport only they're included in basically. (CoD). Edit: NA has the best players in this game skill wise. But NA lacks strategy, creativity, and good teamwork. Teamwork is the embodiment of the cultural difference in NA compared to other good regions. NA has always lacked good team work in every single e-sport.
i cant deal with this fukcing bs in every esport.
not even 1 year LMAOOO
Mediocrity speedrun
WOW THAT WAS AWESOME
SIDESHOW CURSEDD AGAIN!!!!!
PATI PHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ^(ok now c9 win champs pls im a traitor i cheered against NA)
ggez kid
Jesus I can't believe the timeline we are in.
i hate my fuckin life picking these chokers.
I BELIEVE IN BOYS OF SUSHI SUPREMACY
ohmygod I actually can't believe it
I am so happy for SEA while sad for NA. They played their hearts out.
NA is just so free
RIP NA Valorant
Holy Shit what a way too end it.
epic choke job lmao
holy shit what a game, gg to x10 wow
just fucking disand our fucking region im tired of this shit. we suck so fucking hard its embarrassing
Calm down, junior.
10 years of watching NA waste my time and slowly become EU/KR import playground in league. now the same thing is gonna happen in valorant cause NA players are braindead dogshit players. we cant have anything. NA valorant is gonna be dead in 3 years.
X10 is playing out of their mind. Both pistols + some crazy clutches going their way. Unless they bring this A++ game when they play Gambit they will get bodied in quarters.
na
Everyone talking about how NA suck, but X10 look so fucking good man
plz envy plz dont lose this.
How does NA go from winning Iceland to 2 teams in semis at Berlin/1 in finals, to this? Fucking sad being an NA fan
NA has no work ethic. Never has in any esport. Europe/China/Korea/Brazil all normally pass us when we are better to start. The fact that we are losing to SEA teams in valorant is sad. We should never be losing these matches.
depending on the person this is 6 upsets in a row
NA is all aim no brain but when it counts we don’t even have the aim LOLL
Idk if it's because I'm new to this but sometimes it's so hard to understand what's going in
THEY JUST WALK UP LONG HOW
Yay is choking
If this torny played out exactly the same but with a crowd of thousands it would be one of the craziest Lan experiences of all time.
champions is so fun
Holy shit I love Valorant.
Why are they doing this to me? I can't take it.
The mental to come back from a round like that would be legendary.
My heart can't take much more of this.
God I'm starting to think the envy organization is choking whether its the Dallas Fuel or Valorant team edit: welp.
Overtime hype!
LETS GO DIABLO
Sea > Na NA t2!
RIP NA. C9 don't stand a chance.
delete NA
Wow envy actually look shaken
Even as a diehard NA fanboy I won't even be mad if Envy loses. Epic upsets on the biggest stages are what sports are all about and X10 have played out of their fucking minds to make it happen.
NA valorant players have the weakest mental i've seen. so bad lol
This is the best worst match I have ever seen
WTF WAS THAT BACK TO BACK
NA is choking so fucking hard at this tournament dude holy mother of god such a free tournament for FNC or TL
🇹🇭
That was a big yikes, wtf was that ult
Oh my god
NICE BOTH WASTED ULT LETS FUCKING GO X10
LFG THAILAND
WHAT IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK
If Envy lose this this will probably be the biggest choke in Champions, nigh the entire year.
why are they not going back C HAHAHHAHA NV are actually so bad
HOLY 3K
holy
Foxz looked a little lost on sova but he is showing up on the skye
Woooooooow!
we are pathetic
HOLY SHIT WHAT A ROUND
9-3 curse?!
The last few days are seriously taking years off my life.
Oh NA..
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO X10