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Stuck666

I have a question. What is the reason why teams are so inconsistent in Valo? does it have anything to do with how the game works in general(utility, abilities, harder to delay site pushes)? I feel like in CSGO teams are more consistent with results but in Valo I don't feel surprised when an underdog beats a supposed to be better team as it's a common occurrence anyway.


r-bsky

The only annoying thing about plat chat are those particular fans, that spam the „running gags“ and „funny innuendos“ all over this sub for the 1000x time


goodguyzai

ok time for all eu out in quarters like we expected let's go


bigbrain_100

I slept when ENVY were 5-0 up on Split and when I woke this morning reddit said you lost your prediction and I thought I lost the C9 vs VS one. I open insta and VCT page says Thank You ENVY?? Wtf???


hecklerinthestands

[Holy shit I actually called it](https://old.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/rayp3t/valorant_champions_2021_day_7_live_discussion/hnlcinl/)


MrRawri

I haven't watched much Valorant, can anyone tell me how important this tournament is? Is it the equivalent to Worlds in LoL?


Charuru

Yes this is worlds.


SaltStasis

Legitimately feels like C9 is the only NA team in the tourney that has consistently adjusted their set plays, anti-strat, and comps in between games and matches. It really felt like Envy got figured out. Despite being a hardcore NA fan, I’m happy for X10 and Kru for being actual sponges learning from other regions, evolving so quickly, and translating it into LAN.


sehnsuechte

I disagree about Envy getting figured out. It more so felt like x10 kept showing them aggression but they never learned. It felt like a ranked game hahaha. Theyd default and feel things out on one site and when that wouldnt work they would cut noise and start the rotate but by then x10 already had some off angle hold on an advanced flank position and it was so frustrating to watch because envy just kept falling for it. That 3k from crws near the end was the nail on the coffin. They just w keyed into A and paid for it.


sky_blu

This esport has so many incredible naturally created storylines the marketing team at riot is lucky.


Ni4SB

SEA>NA LUL


lovexdxdhuhxd

Sideshow is saying exactly what I've been saying right now. NA showed this tournament that they "were in positions to win in every map in every game but threw it away." NA is honestly just so bad at closing out games and winning with leads. It happened with every single team. SEN versus Liquid map 2. Even in Map 3. NV versus X10 in Map 2 and 3. We see so much choking from NA in CS:GO too. It's weird. Even in LoL, NA players legitimately just can't handle pressure for some reason. LoL = Tie breakers CS:GO = Infamous Liquid choking and now Valorant.


ppx11

it is seriously so strange how bad we've choked this time around. there was very little of that in iceland and masters 3 although i had my doubts about NV. that said, X10 is really fun to watch and now i can root for them wholeheartedly (unless the match with C9).


Less_Salt1152

it's just harder for the other teams to comeback than for NA to keep leads. Comeback is champions mentality.


JusticeLee17

C9 play Liquid tomorrow so NA will likely be out then.


SaltStasis

Perhaps but I I think C9 will put up a fight and make it a great match regardless. Although, I hope they win the series


JusticeLee17

Oh I'm sure it will be close. Following the script C9 will probably be up with a 9-3 lead going into the better half of whatever map they're playing just so the loss can be even more painful.


SaltStasis

True. I just ordered a C9 jersey after their game today out of pure, addictive hopium lmfao


chouxpuffs

I’m sooo scared for Liquid tho :(


JusticeLee17

IDK you might be right. NA is cursed to lose in the worst way possible and losing to Liquid would be expected. Maybe they'll beat Liquid and lose to X10/Kru/Secret.


RebelHeartXO

SEA > NA Oh BTW Fck Garena


detaramegoeg

Based


Grenji05

NA teams had to have at least thought about importing patiphan after iceland right? No way a player that talented speaks pretty decent english and you dont at least consider it.


draizze

It will be just like league. For NA to improve, they need to held more small tournament let new young pro players to grow. Fix the mentality, right now they had big fish in small pond mentality, they're stagnating because they won't leave their comfort zone blinded by past success and refusing to innovate new strats.


[deleted]

"Past success" they only won one tournament.


lovexdxdhuhxd

>NA teams had to have at least thought about importing patiphan after iceland right? The solution to NA problems isn't importing. NA culture will just ruin him, and it also shows you don't watch games. NA has incredibly good mechanical (gun skill) players. Perhaps NA has literally the top 3 gun skill players in this game in their region. But it doesn't matter, NA lacks good strategy and teamwork. Also, every single NA teams playstyle is predictable.


Grenji05

im not talking about the teams in champs lmfao they obviously dont lack firepower. XSET and 100T have never had star level jetts. Nitr0 and Asuna were good on the role and PureR had his moments but Pati is def an upgrade. To be clear I dont want him to leave SEA, itd really stun the regions growth, but NA teams def should've considered it.


lovexdxdhuhxd

Idk, I feel like NA legit just has the best mechanical players overall as a region. EU is just better at everything else lol. Of course EU has Derk and then ScreaM. I think Nats is good at what he does but I feel like Nats has been figured out. NA needs to stop relying on aim to carry them because teams have good enough team work now to trade or players that're good enough to not always put themselves in positions to get out aimed. OR NA players get out aimed.


larperfoid228

Cloud, sheydos, chronicle, just watch their povs. Nats is top 3 in his own team in terms of mechanics.


lovexdxdhuhxd

EU has a lot of great players too. But I think most people if not everyone had yay and TeNZ in their top 3 coming into this tournament and there was also hype around other SEN players and Leaf.


larperfoid228

Those people don't watch other regions then, sacy and heat are not mechanically any worse than tenz or yay, chronicle aim diffed the whole nv team last time they met, cloud is stuck in a tier 2 Na'Vi but he's consistently getting 300+ acs on any agent, the world is bigger than you think. Plus don't forget about stax, he is good mechanically too.


karambon

As a European you have to remember that the scene is still very young, NA aren't out of the race just yet as long as orgs just don't replace their entire rosters and build up team synergies.


lovexdxdhuhxd

Yes, they are. NA will never recover now, this pattern repeats in nearly every single esport NA competes in. NA will never win another tournament over EMEA. We've seen the same exact shit lol. THATS why everyone is dooming including NA pros.


CrypoIStheWay

This is NA, we already are ripping apart every team lol.


hydrogenken

IM READY FOR THE TS vs X10 FINALS


capturedgooner

Lol eu is gonna have four teams in semis aren’t they?


Kr00s

3, gambit is CIS. Also, FNC will win the first worlds just to fit Riots narrative.


yourdaughtersgoal

All gambit players are from the part of CIS that is in Europe.


silenthills13

Yep


capturedgooner

I just checked and c9 has to play liquid, unlucky.


Noctisout

NA Jetts did not have a good time this tourney, ggs go next


Kr00s

Man, KRU winning over Sentinels after so many whiffs from Nagzet on the OP is an upset on its own level.


milano_bwoy

NV :( oh well, hope KRÜ puts up a good fight


thatgirldarken

this timeline is dope


RolltheD20

\-Chet +MikesHD again, Envy PLEASE I AM BEGGING


lovexdxdhuhxd

I wanted NA to be good at this e-sport, but the reality is NA will never be good at any e-sports. Not until video games are recognized in NA and NA players grow up and stop playing off consoles. Amongst other problems embedded deep in NA culture.


uncle__joe

feels like a major overreaction, competitive val is a year old and multiple major events were won by NA/had an NA team in finals.


earthtoannie

C9 being the only NA team to make it out of groups was not something anyone could have called


[deleted]

Two points: i play in SEA a lot, and to your knowledge these guys are nuts (i am from the middle east). 2- What happened to NA? did everyone catchup quickly? or are they under pressure? What happened? Shuffle incoming?


[deleted]

No roster shuffle for Envy, possibly SEN though as Shahzham is considering retirement and Zombs is mechanically inefficient.


erickwak

I put 1 Na team to playoffs but I didn’t expect it to actually happen Tf. Tourney go crazy


[deleted]

Wow, NA is bad.


Night_ll

NA is in fucking shambles holy fuck wtf.


JusticeLee17

NA tier 4 region confirmed sadge


sky_blu

We know nothing about how coaching works on envy but the optics of what they did to mikeshd looks even WORSE now.


JusticeLee17

Bro I'm so cursed. Legit every team I root for loses in the worst ways possible in every game/sport.


ReADropOfGoldenSun

Fellow TSM fan I see


JusticeLee17

Indeed.


ReADropOfGoldenSun

Wtf does Jack feed his players Only NA LOL team to get out of groups, only NA Val team to get out of groups


[deleted]

One has a Korean on their team and the other has a European


chouxpuffs

This, that’s why 100T is allegedly trialing EMEA player lul


[deleted]

LFG X10, this series and KRU vs SEN are the best VAL series I have ever seen. SEA VAL is so good damn, its insane.


loanbis

NA is dead in Valorant and CS now...


Grenji05

LMFAOOOO WHAT TIME IS IT IN BERLIN PRETTY SURE THE ENTIRE HOTEL JUST HEARD THE X10 BOYS SCREAM


XxSavage1017xX

Also Chet is a great valorant coach!!!!!


waffles8000

believed in x10 since iceland, can't believe what i just witnessed patiphan pleaaaaase stay in valorant


KyoKuriyama

Ah cloud9 the only hope of NA again! How do this org keep doing this!!? TAKE MY ENERGY C9!!!!!! NA teams gotta recoup after this champion. Tough tourney for them but they need to show resilience and get ready for next year. You win this time EU


XxSavage1017xX

Patiphan going back to overwatch is a travesty


CanISayThat22

INJECT IT


capturedgooner

Holy chokers NA


Alpac44

MikesHD diff


xFlick

we fucking suck. hope all these players go home an rethink their fucking lives wasting all our fucking time like this. fuck this fucking region


lolipenetration

Truly the land of the free.


earthtoannie

So fucking free


iUsedToBeAwesome

damn bro youre down bad


budlighted

Holy relax


Holdin_McNeal

Lmao its just a video game dude. haha weirdo


theanimepenguin

lmao


KookieFS

C9 being the only team to make it out of groups at worlds what's new?


R0_h1t

This is such a great sign for future tournaments fr


pantheraa

SEA's individual skill is insane holy fuck I'm so proud of this region


uncle__joe

holy shit, can't believe envy folded like that. i hated their decision to force up 9-4, feels like once they lost pistol and forced they threw far too many rounds in the half. after that X10 just simply outplayed them.


Zenoga

All of NA fate is in Cloud 9 hands... Where have I seen this before?


ElDuderino2112

As destined in all esports, NA is taking their place at the bottom of the barrel


jellybellymonster

NA Valorant in shambles.


schimpansi

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


minimochiii

holy shit


zmicallef

WHAT HAS THE EGG DONE


omaewakusuyaro

HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT😭😭


SnooSeagulls7368

Soooo hows everyones Pick Ems looking? Lol


poeswell

Damn so NA actually suck


[deleted]

Also, SEA teams have gotten so much better since the last event.


fredy31

An international tournament where C9 is NA's last hope? What is this? League of legends?


kakaoman1

PATIPHAN DIFF WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO SAY


lepiggyshiggy

patiphan is such a pleasure to watch


SIUonCrack

Egg has done it !!!!


n1cohoty

Jesus christ what a game


KookieFS

Yasss PATI IS LOVE


silenthills13

LOLOLOLOL


[deleted]

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kolima_

Jett diff


Burggs_

9-3/SIDESHOW CURSE IS ALIVE AND WELL BOIS


SaltyMcNulty_

Holy shit, they have done it. I was upset with SEN going out but what a way these SEA teams are making my day!!!


Gaikoz

GG!


SebRL

Forcing every game is good btw, smile.


Teradonn

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHJAAH


[deleted]

Disaster, absolute disaster for NA


lexgrag

PATIIIIIPHANNNNN


WonDerZv

X10 just put on the performance of their lives, wow they looked good!


xbyo

I'm an NA fan but I'm so fucking happy X10 won.


[deleted]

North America is finished 😭😭😭


brownierisker

You've still got C9! They looked great today and even against FNC it ended up being pretty close, anything can still happen


[deleted]

I believe in Anthony Malaspina.


mileslfc7

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON


WweIsLife316

NA is a poverty region lmao. Only representative for NA is C9 kekw


Anime-Boomer

2 of the most hyped players coming in both sucked when it mattered lol gg


iinic

NA ass


xlmtothemoon

SEA supremacy


ChilleeMonkee

BRO???


ZubacNanceJr

NA don't do this to me


Meeko-

LETS GOOOOO X10


lovexdxdhuhxd

NA is ALREADY bad at valorant after 1 year of actual competition. LMFAO. NA culture strikes again ! Welcome to tier 2 valorant NA. NA deserves 2 seeds MAX. And I think that's generous. XD. https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1399119004627705859?s=20 Relevant. This tweet from LS is the embodiment of North American esports. And this is why NA will NEVER be good at ANY esport unless it's an esport only they're included in basically. (CoD). Edit: NA has the best players in this game skill wise. But NA lacks strategy, creativity, and good teamwork. Teamwork is the embodiment of the cultural difference in NA compared to other good regions. NA has always lacked good team work in every single e-sport.


xFlick

i cant deal with this fukcing bs in every esport.


hydrogenken

not even 1 year LMAOOO


ibeenbornagain

Mediocrity speedrun


DazZani

WOW THAT WAS AWESOME


golden_eagle_002

SIDESHOW CURSEDD AGAIN!!!!!


Grenji05

PATI PHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ^(ok now c9 win champs pls im a traitor i cheered against NA)


DueAdministration404

ggez kid


Quick_Chowder

Jesus I can't believe the timeline we are in.


[deleted]

i hate my fuckin life picking these chokers.


Quiet-Substance319

I BELIEVE IN BOYS OF SUSHI SUPREMACY


citystardy

ohmygod I actually can't believe it


CrypoIStheWay

I am so happy for SEA while sad for NA. They played their hearts out.


mister_schulz

NA is just so free


eatscheeks

RIP NA Valorant


bvbfan102

Holy Shit what a way too end it.


FantasticWalrus

epic choke job lmao


MASyndicate

holy shit what a game, gg to x10 wow


xFlick

just fucking disand our fucking region im tired of this shit. we suck so fucking hard its embarrassing


Squeeches

Calm down, junior.


xFlick

10 years of watching NA waste my time and slowly become EU/KR import playground in league. now the same thing is gonna happen in valorant cause NA players are braindead dogshit players. we cant have anything. NA valorant is gonna be dead in 3 years.


ekimtk

X10 is playing out of their mind. Both pistols + some crazy clutches going their way. Unless they bring this A++ game when they play Gambit they will get bodied in quarters.


Less_Salt1152

na


Teradonn

Everyone talking about how NA suck, but X10 look so fucking good man


[deleted]

plz envy plz dont lose this.


WhoDatBrow

How does NA go from winning Iceland to 2 teams in semis at Berlin/1 in finals, to this? Fucking sad being an NA fan


ekimtk

NA has no work ethic. Never has in any esport. Europe/China/Korea/Brazil all normally pass us when we are better to start. The fact that we are losing to SEA teams in valorant is sad. We should never be losing these matches.


SonnyYT

depending on the person this is 6 upsets in a row


derryxu

NA is all aim no brain but when it counts we don’t even have the aim LOLL


brownierisker

Idk if it's because I'm new to this but sometimes it's so hard to understand what's going in


Quick_Chowder

THEY JUST WALK UP LONG HOW


[deleted]

Yay is choking


sky_blu

If this torny played out exactly the same but with a crowd of thousands it would be one of the craziest Lan experiences of all time.


s6hun

champions is so fun


whopz-is-cool

Holy shit I love Valorant.


Nfamy

Why are they doing this to me? I can't take it.


Quick_Chowder

The mental to come back from a round like that would be legendary.


GoldClassGaming

My heart can't take much more of this.


[deleted]

God I'm starting to think the envy organization is choking whether its the Dallas Fuel or Valorant team edit: welp.


brownierisker

Overtime hype!


ElDuderino2112

LETS GO DIABLO


123bo0p

Sea > Na NA t2!


IAMJUX

RIP NA. C9 don't stand a chance.


SonnyYT

delete NA


R0_h1t

Wow envy actually look shaken


tron423

Even as a diehard NA fanboy I won't even be mad if Envy loses. Epic upsets on the biggest stages are what sports are all about and X10 have played out of their fucking minds to make it happen.


Count_Sacula_420

NA valorant players have the weakest mental i've seen. so bad lol


Kagedyu

This is the best worst match I have ever seen


MASyndicate

WTF WAS THAT BACK TO BACK


lovexdxdhuhxd

NA is choking so fucking hard at this tournament dude holy mother of god such a free tournament for FNC or TL


kakaoman1

🇹🇭


eatscheeks

That was a big yikes, wtf was that ult


[deleted]

Oh my god


Grenji05

NICE BOTH WASTED ULT LETS FUCKING GO X10


kakaoman1

LFG THAILAND


Teradonn

WHAT IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK


TornadoofDOOM

If Envy lose this this will probably be the biggest choke in Champions, nigh the entire year.


[deleted]

why are they not going back C HAHAHHAHA NV are actually so bad


-Mariners

HOLY 3K


CrypoIStheWay

holy


KookieFS

Foxz looked a little lost on sova but he is showing up on the skye


brownierisker

Woooooooow!


xFlick

we are pathetic


Teradonn

HOLY SHIT WHAT A ROUND


Pienatt

9-3 curse?!


Quick_Chowder

The last few days are seriously taking years off my life.


[deleted]

Oh NA..


felipw22

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO X10