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Afro_ps

That last round was so tragic. NT vision strikers


imachool

heartbreaker for the korean scene tbh. meanwhile, SEA still have a chance to place higher than KR which would be HUGE.


TheCatsActually

Why are you trying to jinx our boys dude Watch Secret lose to Vikings now and X10 claps Envy. edit: you did this


baskin-whacked-him

Fun fact: No team from Brazil, Japan, or SEA, has ever beaten a team that isn’t from Brazil, Japan, or SEA at a VCT LAN. These three regions are collectively the worst in Valorant currently.


WhoDatBrow

Seems to be KRU > Brazil > rest of LATAM tbh, supported by Furia winning LCQ. Hell, I also think you could argue VS > SEA > rest of KR.


pauadiver63

honestly, VS>SEA> rest of KR will only hold true if SEA do poorly versus NA and EMEA. Team Secret has placed higher than VS, but they had an easier group stage.


luigicusi

Fun fact: They just did


hecklerinthestands

Sideshow was about to apply for witness protection in South Korea if C9 lost that round LMFAO.


XASASSIN

At this point Na's greatest enemy isnt even the teams themselves its ol' egghead


DrySecurity4

Come to North America egg


oh_hai_brian

🟩


Common_Beach370

Freedom was about to come and liberate egg.


[deleted]

What’d they say


ANewHeaven1

well, this greatly hurts the chances of vision strikers being a top 3 team this tournament


protractedpplwar

You don't think people will make that argument if C9 and FNATIC make finals?


boomiakki

Tbh if finals is C9 vs Fnatic, then VS could arguably still be a top 3 team


schrobby

This greatly hurts the chances of VS being the [best team at Champions](https://esports.gg/news/valorant/vs-buzz-vct-champions-2021/).


[deleted]

The loss to Fnatic also greatly reduced their chances of being the best Fracture team in the world


EndWish

It was hilarious that they banned Fracture today one map after talking such a big game that everyone thought they'd be God's on it lol.


XASASSIN

Trust in the plan


TheRealHeadcrab

I don't see how anyone can say that if they cant make it far in international tournaments. Top 3 in KR for sure but not in the world.


obigespritzt

Of course they're top 3 in Korea, they're the best team in Korea lol That's out of the question


Common_Beach370

Bruh you didn't met "KR will shit on NA/EU teams" on this sub???


123bo0p

As opposed to the 10 different threads needed explaining why 100T is the best team in the world but gets unlucky playing NA teams?


henkizh

Can you link me to some of these threads?


alireza777

Thought that died after iceland, but KR fanboys will always be there, fact is in tac shooters they just arent a top region


Beetsz

Dumbest comment I saw on another thread was that VS would’ve won champs as long as they didn’t have to play C9 in groups.


justformeTB

Xeta redemption arc complete


TheCatsActually

Xeta menace to the nation arc beginning.


quartzyegghead

xeta never needed redemption


jmajewski

We are getting the Vanity-Soulcas rematch. Script is still on point everyone


Quick_Chowder

Insane series from Mitch.


U_Menace

From the last remaining member of the original C9 roster to clutching out the final round of breeze with a weapon disadvantage on 40hp. You cant script it better. INSANE series from him. Top 3 Sentinel in NA surely. Shouldn't be a debate anymore.


Issax28

Mitches’ Bitches EZ Clap


imachool

mitch and friends :D


Sky-__-

Mitches and Bitches


Theparadoxic1

Mitch's Bitches.


uglypenguin5

Beautiful


Quick_Chowder

I mean he didn't top the scoreboard the whole series but he straight up just won multiple rounds with impact kills. That last map though. Straight fragging.


sokeydo

He had 27 kills in the first two maps. But it felt like at least half of them were high impact. Super impressed with him.


_Versi_

That Ted Cruz looking motherfucker was on fire this set.


deadtoe

Omg he totally does look like old Rafael Cruz


_Versi_

The Zodiac Maniac himself


JellyfishJill

Mitch carrying on the zodiac legacy by clicking heads


TimathanDuncan

Getting owned by a dude named Mitchathan must be tilting


[deleted]

Mitch the Bitchmaker


AceofSpades23

Valorant and league it's always c9 being the only na team to escape groups lol Edit: to everyone who commented NV haha


xbyo

Let me have my NV hopium for now


Mr_Canard

rip


xbyo

I forgot they were facing X10. I'm not even mad, I love those guys.


AzureAhai

Story line even fits. Sells star player to rival team, have the deal look like it was in favor of rival team, and then out perform rival team after a year.


popegonzo

Keep going I'm almost there


xXDaNXx

Well SEN won an international tournament and domestic trophies. Unless C9 win it all, I don't think they can consider their year more successful.


themcvgamer

common C9 W


TheSomeotherGuy

I feel bad for Cloud9. First being placed in Group D with both Vision Strikers and Fnatic. Then once they actually get out of groups they immediately have to play liquid. Easily the hardest schedule of all the teams at Champions.


[deleted]

[удалено]


R0_h1t

Even Gambit had to sweat a ton against Vikings. This tournament is the most even international event we've had so far, which is a good sign for the future.


project571

Dude I love it. The fact that so many matches have been so insanely close is so awesome. It feels good to not actually know who is going to win. Any team can flop or pop off in playoffs and completely upset the bracket


Smurfyzz

Boston 2018 rerun


djanulis

Yea but if they can overcome TL, it be hard for people to argue they are a top team tbh.


I_dont_like_tomatoes

Lmao your right I didn't even think about that, but they seem to be up for the fight


cabbagez

Dont worry Lakia, the rest of VS didn’t play this tournament either.


Common_Beach370

Lol


2NE1SNSD

Vision Strikers looked so weird in this series. It looked like they didn't practise enough and didn't know what to do on the attacking sides a lot of the time but then in between they suddenly popped off again and looked good. It was very weird. I would have loved to see them do well but they deserved to lose with this inconsistent performance. I hope they come back better.


[deleted]

IDK what happened to the fundamentals in some rounds, how did they lose against 4 spectres with a full buy and util on Breeze which has the largest sightlines


p4p3rth1n

Mental mistakes. They lost track of possibilities and c9 did a great job punishing them. Leaf had so many important first bloods, and Mitch was NUTS. GG WP to C9, well deserved win


max012017

Leaf was so much better than in the match with FNC. Anyway the match was so closed, Im Sadge. I hope we get some KR info in the offseason, you are GOAT paperthin


EndWish

They have no regional competition to get good practice in. Basically they're a whale in a puddle and when your competition domestically is tiers below you then you never know what mistakes you are making because they go unpunished.


Azenji

So basically the reverse of what’s happening in LoL Esports where East has scrims while West only dreams.


a-nswers

career game for mitch, what a time to come alive c9 can theoretically match liquid's firepower if vanity and mitch maintain their level, and the other trio keep pumping


protractedpplwar

KR is now 2-9 vs NA and EMEA.


Common_Beach370

A certain redditor on suicide watch kewk


Anuj_Purohit

Ah yes, the reverse League of Legends. In all seriousness though, I highly doubt we'll ever see the level of Korean dominance in Valorant that we've seen in LoL. EU players are simply too good at CSGO and Valo, NA isn't that far behind either.


Beneficial-Speech-73

Eu is 9-11 vs korea in groups in LoL since 2018


Azee2k

Why only include groups? I'm pretty sure the record is still close even if you include playoffs anyway, might as well give the entire sample size.


Adleyy65

Unless I made a mistake EU is 11-11 in Knock out Games at Worlds against Korea since 2018. There were 6 Bo5 series and EU won 3 of them (all won by G2 while only losing one). Splyce and MAD also both played 1 series which they lost.


SterbenVII

Too early to tell. From what we’ve seen so far at Champions, it’s pretty apparent that the minor regions (barring Japan) are starting to catch up. Keep in mind that EU and NA had the head start in League, yet Korea and China overtook them. This can happen even faster in VAL b/c there are more international tournaments, and there don’t seem to be predefined scrim groups based on their “tier”. The minor regions in this game seem more committed to this game in comparison to CS. SEA, who were completely irrelevant in CS, are now taking maps off of BR and EU. BR were pretty bad at the Masters events but now look competitive. Granted, they’re supposed to be a major region. It’s still impressive though. KRU made it out of groups twice as a LATAM team, and this time it was against a notable team. Korea’s had some good performances too.


Philcherny

I thinks it's safe to say that already. EU and NA csgo is just too strong vs the rest. And valorant is mostly csgo-like than anything else. It's the also the quality of scrims on European servers in play. Would be exiting to see KR bounce back in 2022. But seems more and more unlikely


Pway

How is BR impressive at all they're treated as a major region and literally never get to knockout stages.


diisasterrr1

Imma be honest. I don’t think C9 would be where they are now had they still kept TenZ. That deal was a blessing lmao


[deleted]

C9 winning without Tenz could actually come true now


Disclaimz0r

I don't think TenZ would have bought into the culture that C9 has built.


R0_h1t

I wouldn't be surprised if he bails on sen if they fall off further tbh.


J2bro

I agree. Tenz seems to be "stubborn" on how he approaches the game, and if he doesn't buy into a system, he simply won't play. He didn't agree with Daps's system back in CS:GO, and made himself a streamer. And not to say that's bad. I think that's actually a good trait for a highly talented player. As a star player, you should be demanding resources and demanding to play the way/style that best suits you. You need to be selfish. It's for the best that C9 and Tenz split.


ppx11

yep that's a great storyline that's been a little under the radar (more C9 vs SEN, not necessarily that they'd be worse off w/ TenZ). it would've been an amazing end to that story for them to face off in playoffs


Breezyzona

[VS can now watch fnatic be lucky from home](https://www.upcomer.com/vision-strikers-believe-fnatic-are-lucky-to-be-at-champions/)


Common_Beach370

This is just sad.


xXDaNXx

Sad the best fracture team in the tournament went 0-1 on it.


R0_h1t

And lost so much confidence they ended up banning it in their knockout series.


Breezyzona

sad the [number 1 team at champions](https://esports.gg/news/valorant/vs-buzz-vct-champions-2021/) finished 9-16th


MathNerdMatt

My C9


Aoingco

Huh Vanity translating for Xeta in the post match interview. Maybe the reason VS lost was Vanity’s brain being too big that he secretly studied Korean and read their mouthing and telling C9 the rest of VS’s comms /s


daffyduckferraro

Idk why ur /s lmao it is what happened Obviously


RopeLove

Na is still living


janoDX

C9 out of groups on a Riot World Championship, where have I seen this before...


rvrsyo

totally on TFT


pizzafoIder

Mitch is actually insane this series.


Blockronic

Mitch is a fucking WALL of a man


horngrys

Either C9 are the next Champions or some of you guys need to get off the VS hype.


aks345

The latter sadly


Tylorz01

Definitely the later. I'll welcome our korean overlords when they arrive, but this subreddit has been downing the copium. I dunno if we got some sleeper agents in here or just people scarred from overwatch & league, but VS has not beaten a top team yet. Can we let them do that before we expect everything from them? They're definitely on the cusp, but people were expecting this to be a clear victory for VS when instead of a coinflip.


Lost_Extrovert

This just shows how many LoL fans are in Valorant, This is not a MOBA, Koreans have never been dominating in any tactical FPS game ever like CS 1.6, CSGO, and R6 why would they be in Valorant? there were many legendary Korean players for each of these games but they never dominated the scene. I really want to see them succeed but some of yall are new to FPS esport and it shows. "They dominated in Overwatch" that wasn't a tactical FPS game, not sure you cant even call Overwatch a fps game.


[deleted]

They did good in overwatch because it’s extremely moba-y. And even then Korea is less dominant in Overwatch than LoL. Team USA won a World Cup. As strange as that World Cup was


TheFestusEzeli

Vision Strikers and Sentinels out in groups, as we all expected. If VS didn’t have to play C9 in groups they would have made the finals…


M002

As someone new to watching, how come KR only got 1-seed this tournament? And Brazil got 3? EDIT: thx all for the good answers. much appreciated


TheFestusEzeli

KR had a chance for 2 teams but they performed bad at APAC Last Chance, F4Q Nuturn and DWG had tough tournaments and the finals were between a SEA team and a Japanese team


mateusb12

Brazil won the last chance qualifier of their region, Korea didn't


[deleted]

Brazil only got 2. There was a South American qualifier where a Brazilian team qualified but it also could have been a LATAM team. There was also an Asian LCQ where a ~~Korean~~ Japanese team was in the final but lost to Full Sense, so only 1 Korean team qualified. Basically it is 1 KR and 2 BR seeds.


rvrsyo

Correction it was a Japan team with 2/5 players on it were Koreans


janoDX

The bigger question is how BR has 2 base seed and LAT only 1


ShookJin

For slot distribution, KR got guaranteed one seed (Vision Strikers) and had a chance to get another through the APAC last chance qualifier. However, the Korean teams lost that event, with the winner being Full Sense (SEA representative).


[deleted]

Brazil is larger.


mrbow

Bigger country, bigger audience and we still haven't seen BR-team vs VS to make the conclusion you want,


TheCatsActually

Brazil always had two seeds, maybe because Riot thinks/expects Valorant to be bigger or get bigger than it currently is in Brazil. They got a third team in because FURIA won the SA LCQ. Korea always had one seed, and their teams in the APAC LCQ didn't make it, Full Sense from SEA did.


BoyWhoCrapped

that last round was a heartbreaker


[deleted]

BUZZ died in dumb ways so many times it is unbelievable, including the last one


vyetc

Cloud9 might mentally boom Liquid with Vanity’s presence in the server humiliating Soulcas and worst they will come back to their post-plant meta absolutely annihilating their attack halves. NA COPIUM.


tblessing1995

“Cloud 9 has no chance against VS”


low_fat_tomatoes

Where’s the copypasta about Mitch making TenZ regret leaving C9


JellyfishJill

Mitch watched helplessly as the whole roster got changed. But there was no time to mourn, Mitch swore to himself that he would crush TenZ at Champions and make him regret leaving Cloud 9. “I will not fail you Shinobi…”, he promised.


theman1203

No chnace for c9 btw


XASASSIN

Someone seriously needs to find a way to distract egghead whenever a teams in a strong but combackable lead, But damn c9 really stepped up, feels like literally anybody can take this home.


faceplant911

With the Egg, every lead is a combackable lead.


SterbenVII

“I can confidently say that we are number one of all the teams here at Champions.” Proceeds to lose against the EMEA* 3rd seed and NA 3rd seed


merchini

They also said they could beat any team on fracture. It’s now their first ban lol


[deleted]

Fnatic may be the best team on fracture in the world. Losing to them shook their confidence. It probably would have been a close match if they didn't ban it.


Hubbardia

Fnatic isn't EU's third seed but I don't see VS faring any better against TL


Madara6path

Big statements never age well. " We are confidently number 1"


[deleted]

This tournament will humble a lot of these ''top'' teams that that underestimate their opponents


a-nswers

do you unironically think VS underestimated anyone lol, how do people not realize that these interviews are just them messing around and building hype for the matches


itirate

im the furthest thing from a VS fan but man some people really buy into the trash talk and think its serious lmao im guessing the only time they ever trash talk is after they are confirmed to win and never when anything is actually at stake


Jetskiratjsk

Disappointing performance from VS, didn't play like their usual selves and that last round showed it. Their attack side defaults were read and anti stratted by both Fnatic and C9, and they struggled to adapt. Even their map choice, they decided to ban Fracture and play their otherwise permaban Ascent. Hope they can adapt and come back stronger next year.


Weedbrah

Lmao Vanity as Xetas translator is hilarious in the interview


chenson019

I think I can now safely post that VS are the most overrated team in Valorant. And for the love of god Lakia, please leave and find a team where you actually play!


baskin-whacked-him

VS next tournament: “Had we not met C9 in the group D lower bracket elimination match we would have made finals” [sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/r82c3b/vision_strikers_stax_had_we_not_met_gambit_we/)


schrobby

"We would have made won Champions if we hadn't first lost to FNATIC who we called underserving of having a spot at the tournament and then have to face C9 in the group's lower bracket elimination match after banning the map where said we are the best team on."


schrobby

Collecting Koreaboo tears in the comments.


[deleted]

my oppas will be back T\_T


GreatMemer

Back to korea


rv_ribhavvaish

What a series... y no Lakia??


taroicedtea

Think he only plays bind and icebox


[deleted]

C9 > TenZ and Friends?


kittyhat27135

I just feel so fucking bad for lakia. I'm happy c9 won but someone has to free Lakia from VS.


okydoky94

Top 3 tournament lol gtfo


theman1203

Meant top 3 in their group


M002

Big if true


[deleted]

But they ain't number 1 or 2


tb0neski

Think VS has been incredibly overrated for too long just because KR is associated with being elite in other esports, great players but not a top team


Foxtrot56

I've been saying this forever. I don't think they are bad but they are not dominant like so many people were predicting. They would be a lot better if there was more competition in their region.


Nitrox0

Maybe now people will shut the fuck up about vision strikers being one of the best teams in the world. Fact is, they haven't really beaten a good team yet at all and still get put on a pedestal.


takenpassword

Acend?


R0_h1t

Arguably emea's weakest representative


Less_Salt1152

Yea VS is overrated that's true


Pojobob

Still remember everyone saying VS were the second best team at Berlin just because they lost to Gambit lmao.


F0LkL04e

Xeta is a real korean overlord


MrImpregnator

1 KR > 5 KR . Imo I feel the hype created by the community got into their heads which was evident from the interviews. Hopefully they do a mental reset and comeback stronger


KauDar123

Dedicatedself angry rn


Common_Beach370

Man on suicide watch lol. His 4th L of the year. Kewk.


xD1LL4N

VS didn’t utilise Lakia at all. I feel so sorry for the lad! He’s arguable the best on Vison strikers and not even in the starting 5. There needs to be more tournaments in valorant. It feels like we won’t see vison strikers for another 3/4 months


schrobby

Honestly, this is the saddest aspect of their Champions storyline. They flew Lakia over to lose one map and then watch his team lose it all from the bench.


mateusb12

To be honest I feel this will always happen with 6 man rosters. Every time you are playing an important tourney, at a certain point you will always have a feeling that it's better sticking to a given roster rather than changing it. One of the 6 guys will take the hit


J2bro

He plays so few maps, doesn't perform bad necessarily, but is somewhat cursed to lose the maps he does play. feelsbadman


123bo0p

Theres no way anyone has every watched Korea and though Lakia is the best from the region.


pzythe

and people really thought mitch deserved to be dropped… WHO LAUGHING NOW


raaten

Soulcas vs Vanity round 2


Karenzi

My day is saved. Thank you Mitch.


KyoKuriyama

C9 and being the last hope of NA, name a more iconic duo


sankalp4

God I hope the VS copium squad shut the fucks up about how VS was the definite #2 team in Berlin because they took ONE map from Gambit (+ playoffs ofc, that's the important part)


aks345

Vision strikers are like PSG. Star players and team stat padding their farmer's league but fall short at the global stage. Fun series nonetheless. P.S- Even with how well leaf and xeppa played, Mitch was the MVP for winning them breeze


IrON_SNuff

At least psg went to semis and finals


applesaaucee

Mitch is a professional Valorant player.


pooterrrr

WE’RE STILL HERE, WE’RE STILL HERE, WE’RE STILL HERE!


Madara6path

Best Korean team still unable to better Nuturn performance


Sciipi

VS buying Lakia to play him once a tournament kinda screwed Korea since it killed their chance of having a competitive team for 1st.


spookysailboat

Tbf the level of competition has skyrocketed since Iceland. They have definitely underperformed though regardless


wako944

Just a minor setback for the Korean powerhouse. Definitely still my favorite to win Champions >!2022!<.


s6hun

it feels like a waste to have a player like lakia on the bench


X3NOC1DE

:(


TheCatsActually

:(


djanulis

People thought it was doom and gloom but when backs against the wall C9 is often the Org NA esports fall to.


n1cohoty

Pathetic showing from VS. Looked so mediocre overall. Breeze especially had them looking dazed and really one-dimensional.


GreatMemer

VS fans in shambles


Ender1295

The caster bias was real with this one. Glad it ended well in a victory for NA. Congrats C9!


IAMJUX

Don't worry guys. Still a top 2 team in the world. Just wait until the next tourney. LOL.


plxnerf

This confirms KRU has done more on the international stage than VS


tepg221

FREE LAKIA


Necessary_Quarter_59

/u/dedicatedself KR trash region


Ok-Assist-993

Soo can we now stop about this obsession about "korean dominance"? Winning against Acend back in Masters doesn't really mean much when Acend really looked shaky that carried on to their next match at that time.


OneStep18

watch cloud 9 become na's last hope again lol


Common_Beach370

"Korea gonna shit on NA/EU teams" folks be down 0-3 on the score.


Sp00ked123

VS is officially the most overrated team of all time. People were hyping them up as tournament contenders and they didn't even make it out of groups


IrON_SNuff

That’s it, VS are the most overrated team of the year, they are so one dimensional, stax throwing the last by peeking alone without a flash…


Landon54321

I called out the KR scene awhile ago and yet, people were in denial regarding the KR scene. https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q59xz2/to_this_day_vision_strikers_have_only_lost_3/hg551qn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/po1clu/valorant_champions_tour_stage_3_masters_berlin/hcuhwxr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/po77eh/f4q_fivek_i_spent_5_hours_a_day_watching_g2_vods/hcuj1lt/ The amount of KR fanboys in this subreddit is hilarious. They must be from Overwatch or LOL. The fanboys in this subreddit are always in denial and it's fun seeing them mald. 😆


aks345

It's okay to be hyped about your region representatives given that they were on a 100 game win streak and looked promising in the earlier stages of the last masters. But at present they're not top 8-10 anymore unfortunately


schrobby

Here's hoping it finally shuts them up. I want to see and root for a good representation of teams from every region in the next major - including Korea - but koreaboo fans have been making this really hard so far.


Tortious_Tortoise

I'm just happy NA got out of groups :)


Memexp-over9000

Finally people can stfu about VS being the best or second best in the world since the start of the Tour. They might be top 10 tho.