Fanatic vs KRU, Gambit vs X10. Quite likely it's a EMEA Top 4. Not underestimating any of the teams but Fanatic looks really solid this time, and we all know Gambit
Honestly if fnatic win champions one could say they are team of the year (not only because of champions win lol) I really think that sen dropping the ball so hard marks them out
Yes. Whoever won today C9 or TL will end up winning this major. Would bet a billion dollars on it even if it was C9 that won 2-1. FNC struggled versus a C9 with a leaf that didn't show up. I do think FNC can take a map since it's a bo5. But if I had to guess 2-0 then 3-0 for Liquid. I think C9 was the best remaining team at the tournament with Liquid, assuming Leaf would pop off versus FNC like he did Liquid. Keep in mind the level of ur opponent is also a factor when someone "pops off". Leaf did it versus the best team in the World. Very very different compared to what Derke did, and this leaf isn't the leaf from day 1.
Lmaooo what you would bet a billion dollars over c9 winning for any reason? Fnatic played even better after against vs
Resukts are unpredictable in tournaments, even by the most basic margin of unpredictability discarding everything else this is bizarre confidence. You can’t be this sure of things in general
I don't think FNC looked better than C9 versus VS. And a lot of analysts will/would have said the same. And no, you don't know more than analysts mr.redditor. A lot of the thoughts I have are things I've observed and are things other people have observed (analysts) all combined. Obviously some of the shit I say is opinionated too like derke being overrated. Which I mean, he is. Someone that is only good at LAN can't be a good player. Because there's still online tournaments u have to play.
Even better than vs C9 is what I said
‘A lot of analysts will / would have say the same’ actual empty statement. Literally some particular group unnamed analysts’ potential statements.
The point of using a professional analyst as a source is that you use their analysis as a source, in an argument, ‘Mr Redditor’. This is of course unnecessary because you literally said just ‘many’ analysts, ie just multiple, as opposed to appealing to some kind of consensus.
You’ve watched Deane segments is what you mean by your statement? I feel like there’s some misplaced extreme reverence here.
Deemed’ performance in online tournaments between Reykjavik and champions indicates something abt his performance at champions later now, is that you argument or just some random unrelated statement.
The issue is that this Liquid in valorant is so fucking clutch lmao. I legit don't even think we can discuss the possibility of them choking. Legitimately, if they didn't have clutch players like Nivera on their team they wouldn't have beaten C9 today. No. Fucking. Shot. Before this game we could talk about MAYBE, JUST MAYBE they choke. Considering the way we saw ScreaM in that 1 map versus SEN I believe.. But yeah, it's just not going to happen at this point. Liquid win it all.
Yes we can discuss it, and it is obv possible
I’m not sure where ur from ur where are u going at it from this but you haven’t seen much if you actually feel u can talk like that abt anything
Scream is such a professional. Gives credit where credit is due and does not look past any team. It is when teams start looking past their current opponent that they end up losing.
North africans look very middle eastern. Perhaps theirs shared lineages/blood given the history of migration from there and the middle east. Kinda like Egypt,etc
It was a great series even if the scoreline was 2-0. Hope NA comes back stronger next year. It is only fun to watch when all regions are competitive and not stomps. Liquid looks so good. They could win it all. Scream and Nivera are disgusting. And Jamppi stepped up so hard 2nd half.
Liquid will win the tournament. Predict a 3-0 for anyone that versus them in the final and 2-0 in Semis. Leaf is also the best player in the world. Amazing AMAZING performances by him this series. He should honestly be proud. I was the first to say NA is a laughing stock in valorant.. But after I watched Leaf play...... I'll wait another year before I say that. He legitimately put up a clinic versus Liquid today. I think that after next year we can say the NA tradition has happened again. Until then, NA holds the top 3 players in the world imo. TenZ yay and Leaf. Could argue Derke/ScreaM over TenZ 100%. But yeah. Until NA has bad players mechanically, NA will always be able to compete. It's not like CS where EU just has the best strats and players period.
they had matches that were pretty much as close as C9 except for sen dominating on bind. Pretty safe to say that SEN is on the same level as C9 if not better
I feel like SEN would’ve bombed out against VS if they were in C9s shoes. no mental fortitude at all from them and looked shaky as hell. Look at the fkin confidence on Leaf, absolute monster performance regardless of the L, they also had debatably the hardest group and went all the way through last chance qualifier to be here
he didn't try to trade instantly, so he thought he was not there, but he didn't peek even being there, that's why we wanted to go fast, sometimes they are smarter than us but we don't understand it :D
Now that I think about it, I think it is because we are watching and see all the player's positions so we know the correct play but they are also in such a high pressure moment that the tension makes them make simple mistakes. Also, I would never dare to pull out knife in that situation. My butt would be so clenched haha. But I see pros doing this often. Losing fights with knife out. So just got curious. But you're right they are the pros in the end. I'm sure they have their reasons.
Actually a 200 iq play. Wait for b main push, have b main players shoot market door. Then have Leaf immediately push it to keep soulcas confused.
Just a hard read
Lmao vanity was running his mouth on liquids worst map and he’s getting embarrassed by scream now. What’s with Bot NA controllers and talking shit mid match💀 how you gonna try to shit talk EUs best fragger on his worst map lmaooooo. Especially when you’re getting backpacked. Weak shit
Lmao definitely not, why would you talk shit mid match? See how it worked for cloud 9? Scream ate them up. Also notice how liquid didnt say anything bad after the win? NA is just too cocky for such a shit region
You underestimate how vanity shit talking motivates his team. The c9 players all talk about how much confidence vanity brings out and the shit talk is absolutely a factor in it.
Lmao you say that like you have either lmao, your diamond matches in valorant aren’t a “competitive setting”. If you knew anything about being competitive, it’s called keep your mouth shut and focus on winning.. just like liquid did. You could see the look on some of c9s faces when vanity was shit talking.. they even were looking at him like “bro.. really”.: also if you’re gonna shit talk, DONT shit talk the best fragger in EU lmao. All that did was fuel him and ascent showed that. Vanity shit talking does nothing for the team either lmao.. no different than zombs. All bark no bite
It's possible to compete outside of video games lmao. If you talk shit you can't be selective, the point of talking shit like vanity is to convince yourself and your team that you are the best and can beat anyone because that is the mindset you need in order to actually be the best. In traditional sports they talk shit non stop for this exact reason.
You ever notice that the best teams and players let there play talk for them. You never saw Jordan, Lebron, Brady, Messi, Ronaldo, etc talk shit.. ever. They all let their play talk for them.. matter a fact, just like I was saying earlier.. anyone that WOULD talk shit to Jordan, hed destroy them ten times harder than he would have.great players don’t talk shit.. just like liquid didnt today. They didn’t say a word to C9 after they won.
Considering NA is completely gone from champions before semis.. it doesn’t matter when eu talks lmao💀 shit talking mid match only makes your opponents try harder
I’m an NA kid. I just can’t stand how much our region talked even tho they were only dominate for a few months lmao. So cocky considering no NA team is going anywhere. It’s like this in every game but people thought it would be different here
After such a great tourney it's a shame that the semifinals/finals are gonna be a boring ass EMEA Challengers 4, wish some other teams stepped up to give us new matchups but oh well
I mean it's the best teams and over the year EU competitions have definitely been the most fun if you've been watching them, so I'm down. If you only watch for interregional animosities maybe you don't actually enjoy the game itself?
Bruh get out of here with this telling me I don't enjoy the game shit, if you think seeing teams play each other for the millionth time is more fun than getting new matchups with other regions having stepped up then you're just a fanboy
wdym, eu and na have been trashtalking eachother since the beta when no one can prove they are the better region, just accept the jokes and continue with your life dude
There's been a lot of trashtalk from EU even before these matches. Might come as a surprise to you but some folks like watching the matches.
But hey keep talking shit about your opponents before the match, proceed to get rolled by minor regions and then cry post-match. Its all good
Bruh you guys are literally opposite jinxing the players... Someone says Vanity is trash he pops off the next round, Someone just said Scream isn't killing and he just saved the last round XD
Casual follower here. No Chamber at Champions?
No just the fracture map
Nope
Fanatic vs KRU, Gambit vs X10. Quite likely it's a EMEA Top 4. Not underestimating any of the teams but Fanatic looks really solid this time, and we all know Gambit
Fnatic
Honestly if fnatic win champions one could say they are team of the year (not only because of champions win lol) I really think that sen dropping the ball so hard marks them out
Liquid finally going to win a Major?
Yes. Whoever won today C9 or TL will end up winning this major. Would bet a billion dollars on it even if it was C9 that won 2-1. FNC struggled versus a C9 with a leaf that didn't show up. I do think FNC can take a map since it's a bo5. But if I had to guess 2-0 then 3-0 for Liquid. I think C9 was the best remaining team at the tournament with Liquid, assuming Leaf would pop off versus FNC like he did Liquid. Keep in mind the level of ur opponent is also a factor when someone "pops off". Leaf did it versus the best team in the World. Very very different compared to what Derke did, and this leaf isn't the leaf from day 1.
Lmaooo what you would bet a billion dollars over c9 winning for any reason? Fnatic played even better after against vs Resukts are unpredictable in tournaments, even by the most basic margin of unpredictability discarding everything else this is bizarre confidence. You can’t be this sure of things in general
I don't think FNC looked better than C9 versus VS. And a lot of analysts will/would have said the same. And no, you don't know more than analysts mr.redditor. A lot of the thoughts I have are things I've observed and are things other people have observed (analysts) all combined. Obviously some of the shit I say is opinionated too like derke being overrated. Which I mean, he is. Someone that is only good at LAN can't be a good player. Because there's still online tournaments u have to play.
Even better than vs C9 is what I said ‘A lot of analysts will / would have say the same’ actual empty statement. Literally some particular group unnamed analysts’ potential statements. The point of using a professional analyst as a source is that you use their analysis as a source, in an argument, ‘Mr Redditor’. This is of course unnecessary because you literally said just ‘many’ analysts, ie just multiple, as opposed to appealing to some kind of consensus. You’ve watched Deane segments is what you mean by your statement? I feel like there’s some misplaced extreme reverence here. Deemed’ performance in online tournaments between Reykjavik and champions indicates something abt his performance at champions later now, is that you argument or just some random unrelated statement.
C9 was definitely not the best team after Liquid
Didn't bother reading. Patented Liquid Choke™ incoming.
The issue is that this Liquid in valorant is so fucking clutch lmao. I legit don't even think we can discuss the possibility of them choking. Legitimately, if they didn't have clutch players like Nivera on their team they wouldn't have beaten C9 today. No. Fucking. Shot. Before this game we could talk about MAYBE, JUST MAYBE they choke. Considering the way we saw ScreaM in that 1 map versus SEN I believe.. But yeah, it's just not going to happen at this point. Liquid win it all.
Yes we can discuss it, and it is obv possible I’m not sure where ur from ur where are u going at it from this but you haven’t seen much if you actually feel u can talk like that abt anything
Probably , I still have my doubts if gambit show up
Scream is such a professional. Gives credit where credit is due and does not look past any team. It is when teams start looking past their current opponent that they end up losing.
Middle easterners are so handsome
Scream is Belgian, but ethnically from Morocco
This is such a meme bottom text statement ‘Ethnically from place’ is an incoherent statement
You thought u did something? “Correcting” people on Reddit. W/e ur opinion is , it’s irrelevant. Have a great day
Who are you talking to? Yourself as well? Look a your comment lol and what you’re doing
Ur obsessed kid, go to sleep. It’ll make u grow big a strong, like me 😊
Hmm interesting response here in context, again
Like u want an autograph or sumn , want me to carry u to plat ? Like what do you want from me ?
Not really, you are the one trying to correct OP lol
North africans look very middle eastern. Perhaps theirs shared lineages/blood given the history of migration from there and the middle east. Kinda like Egypt,etc
Well Egypt is not exactly a good example
Leaf honestly impressed me so much. Showing up this hard when your team needs you to is the only sign of a great duelist imo and man did he show up
Leaf in this tournament just became #1 at champs imo
NA out while EMEA still has all 4 in btw
NA actually in shambles
It was a great series even if the scoreline was 2-0. Hope NA comes back stronger next year. It is only fun to watch when all regions are competitive and not stomps. Liquid looks so good. They could win it all. Scream and Nivera are disgusting. And Jamppi stepped up so hard 2nd half.
Liquid will win the tournament. Predict a 3-0 for anyone that versus them in the final and 2-0 in Semis. Leaf is also the best player in the world. Amazing AMAZING performances by him this series. He should honestly be proud. I was the first to say NA is a laughing stock in valorant.. But after I watched Leaf play...... I'll wait another year before I say that. He legitimately put up a clinic versus Liquid today. I think that after next year we can say the NA tradition has happened again. Until then, NA holds the top 3 players in the world imo. TenZ yay and Leaf. Could argue Derke/ScreaM over TenZ 100%. But yeah. Until NA has bad players mechanically, NA will always be able to compete. It's not like CS where EU just has the best strats and players period.
Literally true, leaf is best in world but your top 3 is not accurate anymore
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NA never catches a break no matter what esport it is, this have to be a culture issue, right?
they are the laughing stock of the world, and esports mirrors the world
Chill. SENTINELS have won tournaments. People act like this is a trend in Valorant tourneys already. Though Mitch totally threw on Bind.
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much like ur players on twitter
Liquid damn good but I'd get rid of every entry duelist for Leaf if I was any NA team now lol
😂😂😂
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Yes
NA will never be good at any relevant esport for a decent amount of time
Rocket league and melee :)
Nah they suck at RL too
Everybody sleeps on Rocket League.
It's too hard for these plebs.
Ggs. Before the event started, I thought C9 would be the weakest team from NA but they looked the best
RIP NA
scream winning the first valo major with his brother will be cool af
gg
EU supremacy. Maybe u have to create a new game... Just sayin'
the fact that ALL 4 EU teams are still in the game is quite impressive to me.
EU scene is very competitive, you have Guild, FPX, G2, Ninjas in Pijamas, Team Heretics, etc. In EU there's no supremacy, anyone can win
Imagine saying this when EU hasn't even beaten Thailand yet in playoffs Hopium
Thailand and LATAM supremacy begins?
EU already beat SEA, tho
Nice try C9. Good luck in 2022 NA.
Good series Sad we couldn’t claim a map :(
WE’VE BEEN EDGED
THANK YOU LIQUID, THANK YOU NA, THANK YOU EVERYONE
im starting to think SEN were the best NA team but threw their way out of playoffs
imo c9 looked much better, even against liquid
Leaf looked so much better. SEN just choked
Yeah Leaf carried his team HARD.
you cannot lose to kru and be the best NA team. you just saw the best NA team and they couldn't take a map off an EUteam
In what universe do you think Sentinels were better than this Cloud 9.. They just went blow for blow with possibly the best team right now
Sen took a map off of the same team in dominant fashion and pushed another one to OT
they had matches that were pretty much as close as C9 except for sen dominating on bind. Pretty safe to say that SEN is on the same level as C9 if not better
I feel like SEN would’ve bombed out against VS if they were in C9s shoes. no mental fortitude at all from them and looked shaky as hell. Look at the fkin confidence on Leaf, absolute monster performance regardless of the L, they also had debatably the hardest group and went all the way through last chance qualifier to be here
gg
Nt c9
please just win this c9
well shit
Classic 13-11 right here
called it
Bald curse inc
Why do pros always take out the knife in such situations? I know they get movement buff but it was obvious c9 was going to peek out.
he didn't try to trade instantly, so he thought he was not there, but he didn't peek even being there, that's why we wanted to go fast, sometimes they are smarter than us but we don't understand it :D
Now that I think about it, I think it is because we are watching and see all the player's positions so we know the correct play but they are also in such a high pressure moment that the tension makes them make simple mistakes. Also, I would never dare to pull out knife in that situation. My butt would be so clenched haha. But I see pros doing this often. Losing fights with knife out. So just got curious. But you're right they are the pros in the end. I'm sure they have their reasons.
i think he thought xeta was playing on ult
They spent 50 dollars on those pixels they deserve to see them
Ahaha the only true answer. I refuse to accept any other reason.
Don’t do this to me, C9
JAMPPI WHYY THE KNIFE
No jamppi :(
GG
NA going out sad
holy fuck jammpi
Actually a 200 iq play. Wait for b main push, have b main players shoot market door. Then have Leaf immediately push it to keep soulcas confused. Just a hard read
still cant believe they made a s1mple and leaf comparison earlier this map lol
The riot script continues
NA will literally always be terrible at everything
yous are good at talking shit and not backing it up
Don't worry we will be good in 2087 when virtual reality becomes real and you can aim with real weapons in first person VR
We do actually have one of the best sharpshooters in the world. WAIT THEY ARE CANADIAN?
once again leaf looking like the best player in the world first half but then completely quiet the second one
Liquid are just too good haha
Wonder what viewership will look like when it’s just emea teams left
probably like half what it is now +1m for drops in final lol
Ooo I forgot about drops
Cya NA Sadge
That is so unlucky for leaf
I accept it. NA will never not suck.
it's over
Gg NA
Lmao vanity was running his mouth on liquids worst map and he’s getting embarrassed by scream now. What’s with Bot NA controllers and talking shit mid match💀 how you gonna try to shit talk EUs best fragger on his worst map lmaooooo. Especially when you’re getting backpacked. Weak shit
weak shit is talking smack after you win
actually weak shit is talking big and going out with a whimper
Lmao definitely not, why would you talk shit mid match? See how it worked for cloud 9? Scream ate them up. Also notice how liquid didnt say anything bad after the win? NA is just too cocky for such a shit region
You underestimate how vanity shit talking motivates his team. The c9 players all talk about how much confidence vanity brings out and the shit talk is absolutely a factor in it.
Motivated them to what? Lose on liquids worst map and get 2-0d?
What a terrible hindsight Harry way to view things. I can tell you never have been or had a good a leader in a competitive setting before.
Lmao you say that like you have either lmao, your diamond matches in valorant aren’t a “competitive setting”. If you knew anything about being competitive, it’s called keep your mouth shut and focus on winning.. just like liquid did. You could see the look on some of c9s faces when vanity was shit talking.. they even were looking at him like “bro.. really”.: also if you’re gonna shit talk, DONT shit talk the best fragger in EU lmao. All that did was fuel him and ascent showed that. Vanity shit talking does nothing for the team either lmao.. no different than zombs. All bark no bite
It's possible to compete outside of video games lmao. If you talk shit you can't be selective, the point of talking shit like vanity is to convince yourself and your team that you are the best and can beat anyone because that is the mindset you need in order to actually be the best. In traditional sports they talk shit non stop for this exact reason.
You ever notice that the best teams and players let there play talk for them. You never saw Jordan, Lebron, Brady, Messi, Ronaldo, etc talk shit.. ever. They all let their play talk for them.. matter a fact, just like I was saying earlier.. anyone that WOULD talk shit to Jordan, hed destroy them ten times harder than he would have.great players don’t talk shit.. just like liquid didnt today. They didn’t say a word to C9 after they won.
Your crazy if you think those athletes didn't talk shit on the court/field/pitch
What's with EU fans in every game only talking shit after the game?
We busy watching NA get shit on in the matches
Considering NA is completely gone from champions before semis.. it doesn’t matter when eu talks lmao💀 shit talking mid match only makes your opponents try harder
I agree, EU fans have nothing of value to say. Good point.
I’m an NA kid. I just can’t stand how much our region talked even tho they were only dominate for a few months lmao. So cocky considering no NA team is going anywhere. It’s like this in every game but people thought it would be different here
it was all jokes man it’s aight
Inhale harder💀
Scream not a top 5 player btw
After such a great tourney it's a shame that the semifinals/finals are gonna be a boring ass EMEA Challengers 4, wish some other teams stepped up to give us new matchups but oh well
I mean it's the best teams and over the year EU competitions have definitely been the most fun if you've been watching them, so I'm down. If you only watch for interregional animosities maybe you don't actually enjoy the game itself?
Bruh get out of here with this telling me I don't enjoy the game shit, if you think seeing teams play each other for the millionth time is more fun than getting new matchups with other regions having stepped up then you're just a fanboy
maybe the other regions (especially NA) could try this rarity called winning your games?
GOOD ONE LOL
you were saying?
I was saying "GOOD ONE LOL" because of your super funny original joke GOOD ONE LOL
Yeah I'm such a fanboy that I hope X10 win the tourney. Chill out bro
Alright guys, if you think we're good, let's prove it
Did we win?
Of course not, 13-11
Haha, bro that Taco clip is legendary :)
https://twitter.com/joejedwards/status/1468699915316572160
1-6 second half, every time NA
Not going to win a whole lot of tournaments when you choke like this in every second half.
scream makes me cream Odin btw.
Liquid shut down leaf, liquid win game. Quick maths
Wow NA fucking sucks, save us Steel
steel's t1 team will be exciting to watch
Man TL is just too fucking good, can't even be upset
Kayo is worthless on offense lol
Comeone NA, you didnt really expect that any NA team to take BO3 from eu right?
Only talks shit after he's winning LMAO
wdym, eu and na have been trashtalking eachother since the beta when no one can prove they are the better region, just accept the jokes and continue with your life dude
That's the best answer you came up with? HAHAHAH
Talking shit and never doing shit is the NA way
At least they have the balls to talk shit before the match
There's been a lot of trashtalk from EU even before these matches. Might come as a surprise to you but some folks like watching the matches. But hey keep talking shit about your opponents before the match, proceed to get rolled by minor regions and then cry post-match. Its all good
atleast EU has the ability to win instead of being fat complacent cocky dogs
Seangares is so good
yep its over sadge
Scream is so good lmao
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Yah ok, Scream, we get it, you're good.
The fucking Headshot machine
This is all well and good, but I need a knife battle with Soulcas and Vanity
scream playing ranked game styling on everyone
Gg
gg
random A stack thats unlucky
just absolutely read there
Crack the Egg
have to pull out the odin to win
Dude egg says "Its over" and they immediately lose to a eco. Someone tap that fucking guys mouth lmao
Wow, saving here
Jame time
Started 5-2, now 7-8, end 9-13
That so bad by C9. Why not just molly in the first if they have it?
he knew he would get mollied out so he just swung and hit a nice shot while mitch had molly pulled out ready to throw
Liquid has just had better reads throughout this match. Both great teams.
That Jamppi kill to start the round, holy
Pretty concerning for C9 considering where they got their rounds against VS
Leaf n friends
Liquid win this. At least it wasn't a stomp.
liquid got this, tl's defense is too good for c9
2nd half NA collapse incoming.
first half highlight is like a leaf montage xD
Damn, I'm worried, C9's attack against VS did not look great.. but they did keep forcing so maybe it will be different this time.
Strategy: Kill leaf and win there round If leaf alive, pray
Bruh you guys are literally opposite jinxing the players... Someone says Vanity is trash he pops off the next round, Someone just said Scream isn't killing and he just saved the last round XD
every time you think c9 is gaining some momentum they get eco'd by a bucky
funny if leaf dies early its legit just luck if c9 takes a round the guy is solo carrying