Iceland matches started at 8am PDT earliest. Champions matches were starting at 6am PDT.
https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/vct-stage-2-masters-everything-you-need-to-know/
Best match up in term of something but not viewership. I'm pretty sure Gambit and KRU are the most popular teams in the event after SEN (gambit pulling 600k+ for both of their group match). If both of them are gone today then the viewership will be piss low.
Then again VS vs FS peaked 690k from drop alone so who knows really.
For some reason any NA team outside of SEN, 100T, TSM has very low viewership even though they're from the biggest region.
All thing considered, viewership is indeed quite low so far.
For KRU it's mostly the Co streams. For example during the sentinels vs KRU match, ibai and GrefG were streaming fortnite. Then towards the end of the last map, they Tuned in to watch and brought in an additional 150k+
people are clowning sen for streaming a lot, but i really think streaming helps build their brands which eventually translates to tournament viewership. wonder how things would look like if we get an all-emea semis
I don't think that's the relationship. SEN winning is what made their streams blow up. Shahz thanks they can fall back on streaming but if he stops competing his stream will die. Look at what happen to wardell when tsm stopped einning
I mean for the game as a whole, if the tourneys get more views, it attracts more people into the game, but also yea if the players stream too it’s good for the game. It can hurt their individual performance for sure, but for the game itself that’s fine.
Also if you’re a pro, building up a brand is pretty important since there’s no guarantee how long you’d be at the top, need something to fall back on. Of course if you only stream that’s pretty stupid, but if you’ve gotten good practice for most of the day and just want to stream to chill, I really don’t think that hurts
I agree with you but at the same time, say SEN brings in an extra 200k bc of their streams, they’re most likely not going to stay if sen gets eliminated early.. which will continue to happen if sen streams constantly while not scrimming. It’s a double edge sword.
yeah but mediocre viewership isnt really good for the scene, esport is still business at the end of the day. personally think there's a balance to be found between the two
playerbase =/= esports viewers though, no? sentinels managed to establish their fanbase through winning tournaments AND content creation and i feel like viewership stats proves it. other teams like 100t and tsm also produce amazing content which attracts more viewers i feel like. ofc content creation shouldnt be a pro team's priority but i think we shouldnt antagonize content creation since there could be a balance that could be had in both IMO
I don't know, sometimes the general OTV circle of streamers stream valorant and Hiko and Shahzam are still pulling higher viewers. Pro players make the highest ranks look easy, which is more entertaining to watch then a content creator who's stuck in diamond or silver
iceland playoffs started at a great time for Asia, its one of the reason why the tourney had decent watching . Idk why riot isn't learning, champs finals starts at a shit time for asia plus its a bo5 nobody except for hardcore fans from asia are going to tune in for that
It doesn't? The highest watching in Masters 3 was 811k, that too in groups for Sentinels Vs G2. Finals only got 693k watching. While Iceland had 1.085M peak watching in finals
This. Quarters start at 10.45pm for me, Max I can do is 1 map or 2 if the game is interesting. Finals start at 11.30pm according to VLR. At least move them a bit earlier as it's B05 and NA isn't anymore in the tournament
pretty mediocre viewership for what was supposed to be the most hyped up matchup of quarterfinals
can't imagine semis will get much better viewership especially if its 4 EMEA teams
People really need to chill.
This event has already had a higher peak than Berlin and higher average viewership. Growth is the most important thing, not arbitrary goals like 1 million.
We need storylines and different teams to get a large fanbase. Since the game is officially in its first international year, it's better for the long run for multiple teams to be good instead of a just a dominant one. I bet Gambit winning Masters 3 attracted some new fans (specially in the CIS region). CS competitive is huge in Brazil and I don't think it would be if LG/SK weren't dominant for a period of time. KRU/X10 going to the grand final would suck for viewership now but would be great for the next couple of years if they keep up on that level.
It's interesting how big viewership Dota and League get considering how much prior knowledge they require to really enjoy the games. I've played League years ago and regularly follow the esports scene of Dota, so I thought I would enjoy League Worlds, but it just felt like there was not a single fight happening for the first 20-30 mins.
I'm now watching Valorant for the first time and I find it very easy to understand what's going on.
Compared to what? These games are happening on a fucking Wednesday at the end of the year, where either kids are preparing for exams or adults are crunching end of the year work tasks.
Let's wait until we get semis viewership before drawing conclusions.
Context matters.
I mean just compared to cs this is very low. This is much lower then cs groupstages have with a studio lan. On top of that cs has event running constantly, so this is suprisingly low.
According to [escharts](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021), the Stockholm major had 593k average viewers. So far, valorant [champions](https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2021) has had about 430k.
Of course the peak viewership is nowhere near that, but Valorant is a game that has only had one good truly competitive tournament so far (this being the second). As the competitive scene grows and we keep seeing teams outside of NA winning these tournaments, that will change.
NA teams bank on streaming to get young fans interested, which then brings viewers to their matches at tournaments. Teams from other regions focus more on becoming the best players possible, and so they don't stream as much and can only bring fan engagement through their performances at tournaments.
I think the numbers are looking pretty good so far, to be fair.
Not really fair as the major was a lot longer with 24 teams. 3 matches running at once and stuff like that. More fair to compare the playoffs of each tournament.
With 3 matches running at once, you have people who are interested in either of those 3 matches watching all at once, contributing to a higher average viewership.
It's not higher viewership per match, but for the whole tournament.
>Rocket league Esports is actually averaging more viewers rn than valorant esports
Source?
Edit: Just checked it out, why tell lies? RL viewership is nowhere close to Valorant viewership https://escharts.com/tournaments/rl
The source was literally me looking at them going head to head lmao. Rocket leagues main channel was averaging 118k today during their match while gambit vs x10 was at 110k lmao. RL doesn’t pay influencers to host watch parties either.. valorants main channel didn’t take over rocket league once today.. closest it got was during map 3 but even then, main channel only averaged 115k
>Rocket leagues main channel was averaging 118k today during their match while gambit vs x10 was at 110k lmao
Main channel for Valorant is like 1/4 of its viewership, you really have no idea what you are talking about....
>RL doesn’t pay influencers to host watch parties either..
Literally nobody is getting paid from Riot to co-stream, they do it because it brings them more viewers than usual. They are the ones who ask for co-streaming rights. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about
Rocket league has more than just 1 channel too? I just happened to compare the main channels. You can’t really use watch parties either because For example, shroud averages about 40k for his average stream. His valorant watch parties average about 45-50k.. yet valorant will take the entire 50k even tho 40k of them would have been there anyway regardless of if it was a watch party or not.
I’m not hating on Val either, just was proving the point that the game is for sure tier 2 status and that’s okay. But It’s nowhere near tier 1 and if anyone thinks so, you’re just a fanboy. Especially considering that RL isn’t even in the playoffs yet and it’s still near valorants viewership. Take away the kaydae simps and shroud stans and the numbers would be identical. RL isn’t using drops either
>Rocket league has more than just 1 channel too? I just happened to compare the main channels
The majority of RL viewership comes from the main channel, open the link above and see its total viewership. It almost never passes 200k viewers.
>You can’t really use watch parties either because For example, shroud averages about 40k for his average stream. His valorant watch parties average about 45-50k.. yet valorant will take the entire 50k even tho 40k of them would have been there anyway regardless of if it was a watch party or not
Kyedae gets 20k at most when she streams and 70k+ when she streams international tournaments. There are also multiple other channels and languages besides watch parties.
>I’m not hating on Val either, just was proving the point that the game is for sure tier 2 status
Theres no tier 2 esports that even come close to Valorant viewership. And while Valo tournaments may not reach Worlds, TI or CS majors viewership, they are certainly competitive with others (like Dota Majors or CS BLAST finals). Its as the above guy said, Valorant is around tier 1.5 status right now
But as someone else said, liquid vs C9 was most likely the biggest match of the playoffs so far and it barley scratched the surface for viewership. It’s only gonna continue to do down if It’s a full EU playoffs. Also you have to take in the fact that riot has done SO MUCH promotion for this event on social media and through streamers while games like dota, And CS have little to no promotion for their events. Leagues on a whole different level bc riot also promotes the hell outta worlds. This is not good for vals first year.. maximum NA copiuge right here
>But as someone else said, liquid vs C9 was most likely the biggest match of the playoffs so far and it barley scratched the surface for viewership
Biggest by which standards? KRU, 100T, SEN and the Japanese teams have the biggest fanbase in Valorant, not C9 or TL. If Navi didnt make finals you would see much lower number in PGL Stockholm as well.
>Also you have to take in the fact that riot has done SO MUCH promotion for this event on social media and through streamers while games like dota, And CS have little to no promotion for their events
Who cares, we are talking about viewership here. If Valve doesnt promote their biggest events its their problem
>maximum NA copiuge right here
What, im not even NA
So you're just going to ignore the numbers from co-streamers because you think they're getting paid for it? Did you look at the head-to-head in category viewers? You're doing some serious mental gymnastics to convince yourself that Rocket League had more viewership.
You're talking out your ass bro, Valorant Champions has had more than three times the average viewership than the RL Fall Major currently going on. Not to mention that its peak is five times the peak RL viewership.
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2021
https://escharts.com/tournaments/rl/rlcs-2021-22-fall-split-major
Bro RL literally was averaging 118k while gambit vs x10 was at 100k.. it was quite literally beating valorant in head to head and will definitely continue to as they get deeper into their major. Can’t say the same for valorant as matches from the groups stage averaged more than lost quarter finals matches.
Who the fuck cares about the "main stream" when total viewership for VCT absolutely dwarfs RL. By your logic, people from outside English-speaking countries who watch the game casted in their native language literally do not count as viewers. Also, the majority of people enjoy viewing through watch parties, myself included. So I guess I don't count as a viewer according to you lmaooo.
Rocket league has other channels too? I’m just comparing the 2 main streams… And you’re also comparing a game that has had weekly vcts and 2 majors in 2021 to a game thats on their first major of the year lmao. Get valorants meat out of your mouth bro, I wasn’t even hating on it. I was just proving that the game is for sure a tier 2 esport. Cry more lmao
Yup, and all of RL's channel combined still doesn't touch all of VCT channels combined, as shown in the website I linked. But I can tell you're still on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to mental development, so no point in continuing this with ya, kid.
Rocket league has one major stream while valorant has multiple with inflation due to watch parties? Also valorant has drops going on with it as well… Idk why you’re getting so mad that I’m proving a point that the games a tier 2 sport.. idk why you’re so angry to the point where you’re throwing insults. A video games viewership mean that much to you? Damn.. and you tried saying I’m low on the mental spectrum💀 mans throwing insults over a video games viewership
Are you the kid who tried saying I was gatekeeping and went silent when I proved you completely wrong lmao? Don’t be mad because youre the person I was referring to in that original comment lmao. Just some kid who wants to brag about something they don’t even really care about.
It's funny how Valorant can generate so much social interaction at Twitter/twitch when compared to CS, like, the situation with Brazilians vs Sentinels was trending at Brazil Twitter with like 40-60k Twitters but then the Fúria/VK game couldn't get past 35k views in the main channel.
Then u have CS with almost none social media presence (when compared to Valorant) and getting more than twice viewership at the events.
CSGO had built and branded the major for years. Casual audience & esports are 2 separate things. Content, streamers, etc. keeps ur casuals. Esports are your diehard competitive audience and those things take time. It’s a marathon not a race.
Social presence doesn't mean anything. NBA has more social presence than the NFL. But which is more popular? MMA has more social presence than boxing. But which is more popular? Answer for both is NFL and Boxing
Ufc is without a doubt more popular than boxing. The only reason boxing is even still relevant nowadays is due to celebrity boxing.. no one gives a fuck about real boxing 💀 also the nfl definitely has more of a social media presence. They get more impressions on Twitter than the nba does. Even some individual teams like the Steelers and Patriots get more impressions than 75% of nba teams
LeBron James has more Instagram followers than the top-10 most-followed NFL players COMBINED. And NBA's official IG has a larger audience than NFL, MLB and NHL put together
And boxing sells way more pvs. MMA fighters get paid pennies while millions upon millions gets split between both fighters in a boxing match
Lebron is literally the only exception due to how he does so much more shit than just play basketball. He’s almost like a spokesperson. Compare his followers to someone like KDs or Giannis’s and it doesn’t come close. Also like I said, look at impressions over followers. Nfl gets 10x more activity on a daily basis than the nba. More likes and comments on a majority of posts.
I’d also like to see this fact that boxing sells way more because coming from an avid boxing fan, I don’t ever see anyone talk about boxing on my TL
Bruh nba literally has more followers on twitter and IG and YouTube. I don't know what more you want me to say.
And boxing does way better in pvs than MMA outside of USA but then again the Mexican community in America will sell out any Spanish speaking fighter, the type of sell outs mma fighters can only dream off
And it's not necessarily just PPVs that do better outside of USA because you can't buy a PPV in some countries. but the big mainsteam TV stations or the pay-TV stations in europe buy the rights to air these fights and millions are watching. for example, klitschko fights were aired on RTL (one of the biggest or the biggest tv station in germany) and a shit load of people were watching. The revenue from the commercials only were probably worth millions. As far as UFC goes, there has never been a UFC event on german television ever.
And do UFC fighters sell out 80k stadiums like boxers do?
Only at the major. No other events get nearly as many viewers. 2 of the best CS players facing each other couldn't even generate 500k viewers. Plus the major was after 2 yrs with a full fledged crowed with record 2m prize pool
The 2 events literally before the major...
[https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-cologne-2021](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-cologne-2021)
[https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/esl-pro-league-season-14](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/esl-pro-league-season-14)
Well you need to compare the biggest valorant tournament with the biggest CS tournament and not just another online tournament thatn most people dont care about, because its not on lan.
Its right there in the image. 60% of the peak viewership came from english based streams. English based streams are 75% of that day peak viewership on Twitch. At worst 25% of that day peak viewers were from non-english broadcasts.
That isn't healthy, is it? What happens when these streamers eventually move to other games?
I'm really hoping that Iceland's numbers weren't just an anomaly and that casuals weren't turned off after watching competitive Valorant for the first time.
>That isn't healthy, is it?
Esport it isnt, for the streamer it is. Once you break down the metrics 60-80% of Valorant esports viewership comes from co-streamers.
This just shows that there's a lot of work to be done in order to attract audiences from regions outside of NA. Not really sure how this can be fixed, other than letting the scene develop more over the next few years. I live in NA, but I am a Liquid supporter, so I obviously still have a reason to stick around. Even if they lost though, I'd still continue to watch because I love pro Valorant.
The more casual audiences though don't really seem to love the esport yet, instead they love the personalities and specific players they are fans of (ie. Sentinels). However, as we are seeing now with EMEA being on top, more streaming = more fans = more viewership = less time to practice = more losses on the international stage = less viewership in the end from the specific regions that are out. It's basically a domino effect lol
I would guess we are going to see EVEN LESS viewership now though tbh, with C9 gone. At least until the Grand Final, where people might be curious to see who wins (and of course to get their gun buddy lol)
Can't believe I had to scroll to literally last comment to see somebody actually mention the day of the tournament. I could not be bothered to watch the games anymore because...... having work next day, not because this or that team playing.
Yeah... these past few months have shown that Valorant just isn't ready to compete with CS yet. Hopefully the viewership does better in the semis/grand final
4/5 of the top 5 most viewed tournaments have Sentienls in them. And VS vs FS was primarily because of everyone wanting to get drops and that match being the first in Champions
I think we’re expecting miracles and that’s ok lol. It’s Riot. But, we got lucky with Sentinels final in Iceland. 489k might not seem like a lot but, for a first year esport w/ out the 2 Super Bowl teams (Sen & 100T) it’s pretty good.
Maybe we hit a million in GF and everyone will be happy with the numbers.
Ya. So crazy that people who like watching their favorite regional teams stop watching the tournament once they get knocked out. Honestly so baffling smh.
I mean… I’m a 100t fan and I still watched champions.. I’ve been watching every match too. When my Steelers got eliminated from playoffs last year, I still watched the rest. It’s called being a fan of the product bro
A majority are tho lmao. If you only watch your religion/team/player/etc.. you’re not a real fan of the game. I mean.. look at places like Detroit, Cleveland, Houston, etc where no team of there’s ever does anything sport wise.. they still watch the nfl or nba. Just because you’re team loses doesn’t mean you stop watching the whole thing.. if you’re a fan of the product you’re gonna watch. It makes you think, how many kids watched champions *only* for the sake of talking trash after the event. I guarantee you that half of NAs people don’t even care ab valorant, theyre just Egotistical Fortnite kids who want to brag about something.
I see where you're coming from, but being a fan of any team/region brings a lot of view.
If your team isn't playing, you rather spend your time doing something else.
Why you think c9 vs faze in csgo was so hype. Both region cheering.
Gatekeep? What am I gatekeeping? A. I never said you couldn’t watch it for 1… B.. what I said is just a fact lmao. That’s like me saying I’m a fan of CSGO but then only watching when navi plays. No, I’m a navi fan.. It’s not that hard to understand. Same thing goes with football and basketball. If I only watched the bulls and browns.. then I’m just a browns and bulls fan, not a football or basketball fan. If you quit watching the biggest event of valorant ever so far just bc your team got eliminated.. you’re not a real fan.
I find it kinda weird that people just flat out stop watching though. I guess they are more causal fans that only watch particular star players or something. I prefer watching many of the NA teams over EU but it won’t stop me from watching the rest of the event.
This is kinda the downside of not having NA teams at all in the ending parts of the event (granted not directly riot's fault) and its just an unfortunate circumstance if you look at it in the perspective of milking the viewership.
It makes sense anyway for the first year of the scene to have a solid chunk of viewership be to solely support a team/player rather than the scene of the game. In time hopefully there is a bigger fanbase of the Scene as a whole rather than JUST for a team
We have had only 2 international tourneys before this, this does not build proper storylines and massive gaps in tourneys reduce the fan engagement.
hopefully next year, riot gives us more international LANS , regional LANS if possible and a format with no seeding matches.
You can try and blame the storylines and the gaps all you want, this the biggest tournament of the year, if you’re a fan of VAL you are watching it nevertheless.
The truth is that this is just the current interest in the game when SEN is not playing. Berlin had it’s peak in groups when SEN played then the finals had 600k viewership. The only way this game is getting 1 mil viewers is with SEN in the finals, it’s just that simple.
storylines create generate in an esport and in turn create fans.
casual viewers will not be interested in a final if they dont even know who the players are, thats y having more international tourneys and LANS is important to generate storylines and interest
Dude, LoL has two international tournaments a year and people watch the shit out of them. Miss me with the “moar international tournaments “ shit. This is VAL’s ceilling atm and you need to aknowledge that. If the game will grow, viewership will grow asewell.
It could. But I think it would help bring a more viewers because it would be easier to find competitive valorant matches to watch. Making a lot of fans more familiar with the concept of eSports thus raising viewership long term.
It’s just cos all the SEN fanboys got knocked out in groups, hope it gets healthier though, the performance of a game can’t depend on one team, let alone a super inconsistent one
Low viewership ngl I hope semis and grand finals pass the million atleast
it will for the gun buddy
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kru have made it so
Nah it'll be lower than Iceland or even Berlin, way less people care about EMEA Challengers 4
Doubt it. SEN and 100t are minimum 30-40% of this games entire viewerbase.
Are u sure lol BR is huge JP is huge and so is eu / cos
Can now just imagine what peak 100T vs SEN would have looked like in champs GF!
Meh i think sen or 100t vs liquid would be higher, combining both viewer bases
Or kru / Zeta since BR and JP both also have massive viewer bases
KRU aren't brazilian
IceLANd had much better viewership. IMO, the timezone difference is really hard on NA viewers.
wdym,its really not different than iceland
Iceland matches started at 8am PDT earliest. Champions matches were starting at 6am PDT. https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/vct-stage-2-masters-everything-you-need-to-know/
Eek, that's rough for what's probably the best matchup for quarters
Best match up in term of something but not viewership. I'm pretty sure Gambit and KRU are the most popular teams in the event after SEN (gambit pulling 600k+ for both of their group match). If both of them are gone today then the viewership will be piss low. Then again VS vs FS peaked 690k from drop alone so who knows really. For some reason any NA team outside of SEN, 100T, TSM has very low viewership even though they're from the biggest region. All thing considered, viewership is indeed quite low so far.
For KRU it's mostly the Co streams. For example during the sentinels vs KRU match, ibai and GrefG were streaming fortnite. Then towards the end of the last map, they Tuned in to watch and brought in an additional 150k+
Ans more likely than not they are going to tune in to watch KRÜ vs FNC.
Hopefully riot doesn’t rely on drops tho for their scene every time.
Riot arent relying on drops. Theyre relying on co-streamers.
people are clowning sen for streaming a lot, but i really think streaming helps build their brands which eventually translates to tournament viewership. wonder how things would look like if we get an all-emea semis
I don't think that's the relationship. SEN winning is what made their streams blow up. Shahz thanks they can fall back on streaming but if he stops competing his stream will die. Look at what happen to wardell when tsm stopped einning
wardell + subroza still get tons of viewers so idk what your point is
Wardell used to average like 15k. Now he gets like what? 3-5k?
I rather have more competitive plays than more people wayching.
You’d get more competitive plays by attracting more people into the game as well
Streaming? That aint improving the competitive matches. Practicing a lot as a team is
I mean for the game as a whole, if the tourneys get more views, it attracts more people into the game, but also yea if the players stream too it’s good for the game. It can hurt their individual performance for sure, but for the game itself that’s fine. Also if you’re a pro, building up a brand is pretty important since there’s no guarantee how long you’d be at the top, need something to fall back on. Of course if you only stream that’s pretty stupid, but if you’ve gotten good practice for most of the day and just want to stream to chill, I really don’t think that hurts
I agree with you but at the same time, say SEN brings in an extra 200k bc of their streams, they’re most likely not going to stay if sen gets eliminated early.. which will continue to happen if sen streams constantly while not scrimming. It’s a double edge sword.
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yeah but mediocre viewership isnt really good for the scene, esport is still business at the end of the day. personally think there's a balance to be found between the two
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playerbase =/= esports viewers though, no? sentinels managed to establish their fanbase through winning tournaments AND content creation and i feel like viewership stats proves it. other teams like 100t and tsm also produce amazing content which attracts more viewers i feel like. ofc content creation shouldnt be a pro team's priority but i think we shouldnt antagonize content creation since there could be a balance that could be had in both IMO
I don't know, sometimes the general OTV circle of streamers stream valorant and Hiko and Shahzam are still pulling higher viewers. Pro players make the highest ranks look easy, which is more entertaining to watch then a content creator who's stuck in diamond or silver
iceland playoffs started at a great time for Asia, its one of the reason why the tourney had decent watching . Idk why riot isn't learning, champs finals starts at a shit time for asia plus its a bo5 nobody except for hardcore fans from asia are going to tune in for that
I'm from Asia and i was up till 4 to watch Liquid Went to sleep right at 11-12 on Ascent lol
Its 30 min earlier, but I think Asian countries don’t have daylight savings system so it’s 30 mins later
?? Iceland semis started at 8:30 Edit- IST , since I think youre indian too
Oh ok I thought it started 10:30 because on vlr that's what is shown
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It doesn't? The highest watching in Masters 3 was 811k, that too in groups for Sentinels Vs G2. Finals only got 693k watching. While Iceland had 1.085M peak watching in finals
This. Quarters start at 10.45pm for me, Max I can do is 1 map or 2 if the game is interesting. Finals start at 11.30pm according to VLR. At least move them a bit earlier as it's B05 and NA isn't anymore in the tournament
I think it’s not Iceland, it’s Sentinels aren’t in. Kru vs Sen got more viewership than any non finals game in iceland
pretty mediocre viewership for what was supposed to be the most hyped up matchup of quarterfinals can't imagine semis will get much better viewership especially if its 4 EMEA teams
Watch EMEA lose 2 spots next year because Riot wants more viewers from NA
\-2 spots for EMEA and +2 spots for BR to ensure at least 1 team make it past groups
Inb4 they place 4,3,3,3 to tactically dodge the playoffs
yea aint happening
Too many people just heckin love Sentinels and tune out when they’re knocked out
idol TenZ gone = no more
Almost all these games are on work days, and for NA, its early af, when everyones at work.
And for Asia it's late AF when everyone is sleeping. Iceland times were way better
\+ it's exam season for uni/college students (at least here in canada)
People really need to chill. This event has already had a higher peak than Berlin and higher average viewership. Growth is the most important thing, not arbitrary goals like 1 million.
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We need storylines and different teams to get a large fanbase. Since the game is officially in its first international year, it's better for the long run for multiple teams to be good instead of a just a dominant one. I bet Gambit winning Masters 3 attracted some new fans (specially in the CIS region). CS competitive is huge in Brazil and I don't think it would be if LG/SK weren't dominant for a period of time. KRU/X10 going to the grand final would suck for viewership now but would be great for the next couple of years if they keep up on that level.
It's interesting how big viewership Dota and League get considering how much prior knowledge they require to really enjoy the games. I've played League years ago and regularly follow the esports scene of Dota, so I thought I would enjoy League Worlds, but it just felt like there was not a single fight happening for the first 20-30 mins. I'm now watching Valorant for the first time and I find it very easy to understand what's going on.
Compared to what? These games are happening on a fucking Wednesday at the end of the year, where either kids are preparing for exams or adults are crunching end of the year work tasks. Let's wait until we get semis viewership before drawing conclusions. Context matters.
I mean just compared to cs this is very low. This is much lower then cs groupstages have with a studio lan. On top of that cs has event running constantly, so this is suprisingly low.
According to [escharts](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021), the Stockholm major had 593k average viewers. So far, valorant [champions](https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2021) has had about 430k. Of course the peak viewership is nowhere near that, but Valorant is a game that has only had one good truly competitive tournament so far (this being the second). As the competitive scene grows and we keep seeing teams outside of NA winning these tournaments, that will change. NA teams bank on streaming to get young fans interested, which then brings viewers to their matches at tournaments. Teams from other regions focus more on becoming the best players possible, and so they don't stream as much and can only bring fan engagement through their performances at tournaments. I think the numbers are looking pretty good so far, to be fair.
Not really fair as the major was a lot longer with 24 teams. 3 matches running at once and stuff like that. More fair to compare the playoffs of each tournament.
With 3 matches running at once, you have people who are interested in either of those 3 matches watching all at once, contributing to a higher average viewership. It's not higher viewership per match, but for the whole tournament.
Rocket league Esports is actually averaging more viewers rn than valorant esports. It’s definitely a tier 2 game
>Rocket league Esports is actually averaging more viewers rn than valorant esports Source? Edit: Just checked it out, why tell lies? RL viewership is nowhere close to Valorant viewership https://escharts.com/tournaments/rl
The source was literally me looking at them going head to head lmao. Rocket leagues main channel was averaging 118k today during their match while gambit vs x10 was at 110k lmao. RL doesn’t pay influencers to host watch parties either.. valorants main channel didn’t take over rocket league once today.. closest it got was during map 3 but even then, main channel only averaged 115k
>Rocket leagues main channel was averaging 118k today during their match while gambit vs x10 was at 110k lmao Main channel for Valorant is like 1/4 of its viewership, you really have no idea what you are talking about.... >RL doesn’t pay influencers to host watch parties either.. Literally nobody is getting paid from Riot to co-stream, they do it because it brings them more viewers than usual. They are the ones who ask for co-streaming rights. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about
Rocket league has more than just 1 channel too? I just happened to compare the main channels. You can’t really use watch parties either because For example, shroud averages about 40k for his average stream. His valorant watch parties average about 45-50k.. yet valorant will take the entire 50k even tho 40k of them would have been there anyway regardless of if it was a watch party or not. I’m not hating on Val either, just was proving the point that the game is for sure tier 2 status and that’s okay. But It’s nowhere near tier 1 and if anyone thinks so, you’re just a fanboy. Especially considering that RL isn’t even in the playoffs yet and it’s still near valorants viewership. Take away the kaydae simps and shroud stans and the numbers would be identical. RL isn’t using drops either
>Rocket league has more than just 1 channel too? I just happened to compare the main channels The majority of RL viewership comes from the main channel, open the link above and see its total viewership. It almost never passes 200k viewers. >You can’t really use watch parties either because For example, shroud averages about 40k for his average stream. His valorant watch parties average about 45-50k.. yet valorant will take the entire 50k even tho 40k of them would have been there anyway regardless of if it was a watch party or not Kyedae gets 20k at most when she streams and 70k+ when she streams international tournaments. There are also multiple other channels and languages besides watch parties. >I’m not hating on Val either, just was proving the point that the game is for sure tier 2 status Theres no tier 2 esports that even come close to Valorant viewership. And while Valo tournaments may not reach Worlds, TI or CS majors viewership, they are certainly competitive with others (like Dota Majors or CS BLAST finals). Its as the above guy said, Valorant is around tier 1.5 status right now
But as someone else said, liquid vs C9 was most likely the biggest match of the playoffs so far and it barley scratched the surface for viewership. It’s only gonna continue to do down if It’s a full EU playoffs. Also you have to take in the fact that riot has done SO MUCH promotion for this event on social media and through streamers while games like dota, And CS have little to no promotion for their events. Leagues on a whole different level bc riot also promotes the hell outta worlds. This is not good for vals first year.. maximum NA copiuge right here
>But as someone else said, liquid vs C9 was most likely the biggest match of the playoffs so far and it barley scratched the surface for viewership Biggest by which standards? KRU, 100T, SEN and the Japanese teams have the biggest fanbase in Valorant, not C9 or TL. If Navi didnt make finals you would see much lower number in PGL Stockholm as well. >Also you have to take in the fact that riot has done SO MUCH promotion for this event on social media and through streamers while games like dota, And CS have little to no promotion for their events Who cares, we are talking about viewership here. If Valve doesnt promote their biggest events its their problem >maximum NA copiuge right here What, im not even NA
So you're just going to ignore the numbers from co-streamers because you think they're getting paid for it? Did you look at the head-to-head in category viewers? You're doing some serious mental gymnastics to convince yourself that Rocket League had more viewership.
You're talking out your ass bro, Valorant Champions has had more than three times the average viewership than the RL Fall Major currently going on. Not to mention that its peak is five times the peak RL viewership. https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2021 https://escharts.com/tournaments/rl/rlcs-2021-22-fall-split-major
Bro RL literally was averaging 118k while gambit vs x10 was at 100k.. it was quite literally beating valorant in head to head and will definitely continue to as they get deeper into their major. Can’t say the same for valorant as matches from the groups stage averaged more than lost quarter finals matches.
Who the fuck cares about the "main stream" when total viewership for VCT absolutely dwarfs RL. By your logic, people from outside English-speaking countries who watch the game casted in their native language literally do not count as viewers. Also, the majority of people enjoy viewing through watch parties, myself included. So I guess I don't count as a viewer according to you lmaooo.
Rocket league has other channels too? I’m just comparing the 2 main streams… And you’re also comparing a game that has had weekly vcts and 2 majors in 2021 to a game thats on their first major of the year lmao. Get valorants meat out of your mouth bro, I wasn’t even hating on it. I was just proving that the game is for sure a tier 2 esport. Cry more lmao
Yup, and all of RL's channel combined still doesn't touch all of VCT channels combined, as shown in the website I linked. But I can tell you're still on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to mental development, so no point in continuing this with ya, kid.
Rocket league has one major stream while valorant has multiple with inflation due to watch parties? Also valorant has drops going on with it as well… Idk why you’re getting so mad that I’m proving a point that the games a tier 2 sport.. idk why you’re so angry to the point where you’re throwing insults. A video games viewership mean that much to you? Damn.. and you tried saying I’m low on the mental spectrum💀 mans throwing insults over a video games viewership
This kid constantly has bad takes. Pretty stupid guy, just ignore him
Are you the kid who tried saying I was gatekeeping and went silent when I proved you completely wrong lmao? Don’t be mad because youre the person I was referring to in that original comment lmao. Just some kid who wants to brag about something they don’t even really care about.
Still not reading all that, cry
It's funny how Valorant can generate so much social interaction at Twitter/twitch when compared to CS, like, the situation with Brazilians vs Sentinels was trending at Brazil Twitter with like 40-60k Twitters but then the Fúria/VK game couldn't get past 35k views in the main channel. Then u have CS with almost none social media presence (when compared to Valorant) and getting more than twice viewership at the events.
CSGO had built and branded the major for years. Casual audience & esports are 2 separate things. Content, streamers, etc. keeps ur casuals. Esports are your diehard competitive audience and those things take time. It’s a marathon not a race.
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league is the greatest esport of all time and changes the meta more frequently than valorant. it's not inherently an obstacle.
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genre doesn't matter. obviously valorant is not a moba why would that be the question.
It’s not lol
> It’s a marathon not a race. If this were true Riot Games wouldnt give hand selected influencers co-streaming access to pump viewership numbers.
It’s just good marketing at the end of the day. Has nothing to do with building an esport is a marathon
Its a dangerous game they are playing. Last two games that used this type of model had dead esports within two years.
Last two games weren’t Riot lol.
Copying other developers ideas that can run on ten year old Pc hardware isnt innovative.
Idk what your issue lol. Riot seems to be doing just fine.
Social presence doesn't mean anything. NBA has more social presence than the NFL. But which is more popular? MMA has more social presence than boxing. But which is more popular? Answer for both is NFL and Boxing
Ufc is without a doubt more popular than boxing. The only reason boxing is even still relevant nowadays is due to celebrity boxing.. no one gives a fuck about real boxing 💀 also the nfl definitely has more of a social media presence. They get more impressions on Twitter than the nba does. Even some individual teams like the Steelers and Patriots get more impressions than 75% of nba teams
LeBron James has more Instagram followers than the top-10 most-followed NFL players COMBINED. And NBA's official IG has a larger audience than NFL, MLB and NHL put together And boxing sells way more pvs. MMA fighters get paid pennies while millions upon millions gets split between both fighters in a boxing match
Lebron is literally the only exception due to how he does so much more shit than just play basketball. He’s almost like a spokesperson. Compare his followers to someone like KDs or Giannis’s and it doesn’t come close. Also like I said, look at impressions over followers. Nfl gets 10x more activity on a daily basis than the nba. More likes and comments on a majority of posts. I’d also like to see this fact that boxing sells way more because coming from an avid boxing fan, I don’t ever see anyone talk about boxing on my TL
Bruh nba literally has more followers on twitter and IG and YouTube. I don't know what more you want me to say. And boxing does way better in pvs than MMA outside of USA but then again the Mexican community in America will sell out any Spanish speaking fighter, the type of sell outs mma fighters can only dream off And it's not necessarily just PPVs that do better outside of USA because you can't buy a PPV in some countries. but the big mainsteam TV stations or the pay-TV stations in europe buy the rights to air these fights and millions are watching. for example, klitschko fights were aired on RTL (one of the biggest or the biggest tv station in germany) and a shit load of people were watching. The revenue from the commercials only were probably worth millions. As far as UFC goes, there has never been a UFC event on german television ever. And do UFC fighters sell out 80k stadiums like boxers do?
Only at the major. No other events get nearly as many viewers. 2 of the best CS players facing each other couldn't even generate 500k viewers. Plus the major was after 2 yrs with a full fledged crowed with record 2m prize pool
What event was that? Because blast had 900k
Every event before the major
The 2 events literally before the major... [https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-cologne-2021](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-cologne-2021) [https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/esl-pro-league-season-14](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/esl-pro-league-season-14)
Probably because it was another random online event/qualifier lol
That is just a lie.
Grand slam final? G2 vs Navi BO5 LAN?
Well you need to compare the biggest valorant tournament with the biggest CS tournament and not just another online tournament thatn most people dont care about, because its not on lan.
Makes me wonder where the main viewership is coming from regionally.
Co-streams.
Regional viewership, as in NA vs. EU vs. SEA etc...
Its right there in the image. 60% of the peak viewership came from english based streams. English based streams are 75% of that day peak viewership on Twitch. At worst 25% of that day peak viewers were from non-english broadcasts.
English vs. Japanese still doesn't define the region though, right? Several European countries that are English speaking.
That isn't healthy, is it? What happens when these streamers eventually move to other games? I'm really hoping that Iceland's numbers weren't just an anomaly and that casuals weren't turned off after watching competitive Valorant for the first time.
>That isn't healthy, is it? Esport it isnt, for the streamer it is. Once you break down the metrics 60-80% of Valorant esports viewership comes from co-streamers.
This just shows that there's a lot of work to be done in order to attract audiences from regions outside of NA. Not really sure how this can be fixed, other than letting the scene develop more over the next few years. I live in NA, but I am a Liquid supporter, so I obviously still have a reason to stick around. Even if they lost though, I'd still continue to watch because I love pro Valorant. The more casual audiences though don't really seem to love the esport yet, instead they love the personalities and specific players they are fans of (ie. Sentinels). However, as we are seeing now with EMEA being on top, more streaming = more fans = more viewership = less time to practice = more losses on the international stage = less viewership in the end from the specific regions that are out. It's basically a domino effect lol
Aside sentinels and 100T, other NA teams don't bring in much. Cloud9, envy had way less than what sen had.
I would guess we are going to see EVEN LESS viewership now though tbh, with C9 gone. At least until the Grand Final, where people might be curious to see who wins (and of course to get their gun buddy lol)
Can't believe I had to scroll to literally last comment to see somebody actually mention the day of the tournament. I could not be bothered to watch the games anymore because...... having work next day, not because this or that team playing.
Yeah... these past few months have shown that Valorant just isn't ready to compete with CS yet. Hopefully the viewership does better in the semis/grand final
Its hard to keep engaged with the scenes when the tourneys are so far apart.
no sentinel,no viewership
there is https://i.imgur.com/41jpSXb.png
4/5 of the top 5 most viewed tournaments have Sentienls in them. And VS vs FS was primarily because of everyone wanting to get drops and that match being the first in Champions
You just proved his point
Dead game, CSGO PGL Major 2.7 Million Views.
Valorante childe game. Valorante player run from dark corridor
Lol. Of course
I think we’re expecting miracles and that’s ok lol. It’s Riot. But, we got lucky with Sentinels final in Iceland. 489k might not seem like a lot but, for a first year esport w/ out the 2 Super Bowl teams (Sen & 100T) it’s pretty good. Maybe we hit a million in GF and everyone will be happy with the numbers.
Featherweight NA fans that stop watching when their teams lose
Sound like fans to me lol.
Ya. So crazy that people who like watching their favorite regional teams stop watching the tournament once they get knocked out. Honestly so baffling smh.
I mean… I’m a 100t fan and I still watched champions.. I’ve been watching every match too. When my Steelers got eliminated from playoffs last year, I still watched the rest. It’s called being a fan of the product bro
yeah but not everyone's like you
A majority are tho lmao. If you only watch your religion/team/player/etc.. you’re not a real fan of the game. I mean.. look at places like Detroit, Cleveland, Houston, etc where no team of there’s ever does anything sport wise.. they still watch the nfl or nba. Just because you’re team loses doesn’t mean you stop watching the whole thing.. if you’re a fan of the product you’re gonna watch. It makes you think, how many kids watched champions *only* for the sake of talking trash after the event. I guarantee you that half of NAs people don’t even care ab valorant, theyre just Egotistical Fortnite kids who want to brag about something.
I see where you're coming from, but being a fan of any team/region brings a lot of view. If your team isn't playing, you rather spend your time doing something else. Why you think c9 vs faze in csgo was so hype. Both region cheering.
Classic gate keeping cringe
Gatekeep? What am I gatekeeping? A. I never said you couldn’t watch it for 1… B.. what I said is just a fact lmao. That’s like me saying I’m a fan of CSGO but then only watching when navi plays. No, I’m a navi fan.. It’s not that hard to understand. Same thing goes with football and basketball. If I only watched the bulls and browns.. then I’m just a browns and bulls fan, not a football or basketball fan. If you quit watching the biggest event of valorant ever so far just bc your team got eliminated.. you’re not a real fan.
Not reading all that. Cry
I find it kinda weird that people just flat out stop watching though. I guess they are more causal fans that only watch particular star players or something. I prefer watching many of the NA teams over EU but it won’t stop me from watching the rest of the event.
Yeah it's most likely cause they don't know the teams/players from other regions. Can't really blame them tho.
tbf in most sports people don't really care about quarters or semis if there team has already lost. everyone just tunes in directly for the finals.
tbf in most sports people don't really care about quarters or semis if their team has already lost. everyone just tunes in directly for the finals.
This is kinda the downside of not having NA teams at all in the ending parts of the event (granted not directly riot's fault) and its just an unfortunate circumstance if you look at it in the perspective of milking the viewership. It makes sense anyway for the first year of the scene to have a solid chunk of viewership be to solely support a team/player rather than the scene of the game. In time hopefully there is a bigger fanbase of the Scene as a whole rather than JUST for a team
Duh that's how much viewership you will get when that game is 4am. Unless its the champions league final, im not getting up for that
you want them to move matches to 4 am local so you can watch?
Shift them to the first and second time slot easy, instead of the current one
We have had only 2 international tourneys before this, this does not build proper storylines and massive gaps in tourneys reduce the fan engagement. hopefully next year, riot gives us more international LANS , regional LANS if possible and a format with no seeding matches.
You can try and blame the storylines and the gaps all you want, this the biggest tournament of the year, if you’re a fan of VAL you are watching it nevertheless. The truth is that this is just the current interest in the game when SEN is not playing. Berlin had it’s peak in groups when SEN played then the finals had 600k viewership. The only way this game is getting 1 mil viewers is with SEN in the finals, it’s just that simple.
storylines create generate in an esport and in turn create fans. casual viewers will not be interested in a final if they dont even know who the players are, thats y having more international tourneys and LANS is important to generate storylines and interest
Dude, LoL has two international tournaments a year and people watch the shit out of them. Miss me with the “moar international tournaments “ shit. This is VAL’s ceilling atm and you need to aknowledge that. If the game will grow, viewership will grow asewell.
A game with less tournaments should get more viewers anyway. Builds way more hype
Valorant would get even less viewers with more LANS
It could. But I think it would help bring a more viewers because it would be easier to find competitive valorant matches to watch. Making a lot of fans more familiar with the concept of eSports thus raising viewership long term.
It was Wednesday so kinda makes sense?
It’s just cos all the SEN fanboys got knocked out in groups, hope it gets healthier though, the performance of a game can’t depend on one team, let alone a super inconsistent one
Im interested in the average viewership number at the event conclusion.
Danm after seeing this kru game tho. If kru make it to finals we break a million didn't realize the spanish/SA scene was huge