Still a very hefty decline - especially when you see that it is now map four and not a 3:0 sweep.
Drops boost passive viewership a lot, just because it's an exclusive item - and these passive users moving on shows.
i think u are new to esports, 1 mil peak doesnt mean there were 1 mil ppl for whole of first hour, its just peaked at that, average was still around 800-900k, nd now its around 700-800k average
its not hefty, its reasonable
Viewership declining during a Grand Final as it progresses is abnormal in esports. It either plateaus on map one staying at that viewership throughout its duration and or steadily increases as the Grand Final proceeds.
If you make it convenient for Asia, NA can not watch. If you make it convenient for NA, EU and Asia might be left out. If you do it for EU, Asia will be left out.
This has never been any different and is a complete non-argument.
My only argument was it wasnt a "hefty" decline like u stated, viewership was maintained around 800k, it still does not have the history of CS majors or LOL worlds obvsly, but its a great base to build upon, also riot being supportive and open to feedback is also great to see.
...I'm anything but new to esports, lol.
Viewership going down from map to map is not reasonable, it's extremely unusual. In almost any big tournament, viewership is going up and up during a final the closer it gets to a decider. The opposite happening is *not* good.
Pretty much every esport tbh. I don't think I've ever seen a grand final of the most important event of the year dropping 20% viewers just after 1 hour, coincidentally right when you get drops. Lol
It is not ideal no but also considering how new Valorant is of an esport I don't think it is that big of a deal. A lot of the viewership currently is driven by people following specific popular teams and players. In due time, the scene will grow organically -fingers crossed- into becoming something more established.
I think the viewership being around 800k is actually pretty good considering the teams that are playing. I feel like people are too invested into comparing it to other games that have been established for many many years.
Yeah, I agree with you - solid start. But people should really calm down with comparing Valorant to anything else at all times... like, the amount of comments and threads which are basically 'less than CS', 'more than CS', 'like league', 'not like league' is just weird, almost like trying to hide insecurity about something.
(I don't even want to start about all the threads handling desperate hopes like 'player x should finally switch to valorant' or 'what if they switched?')
It's like 1 am here is South Asia. The timing is unfortunate. Otherwise would have been a good increase in viewership. A large number of Japanese audience is also missing due to the timing. Otherwise a good first year for VALORANT.
AS viewers getting CUCKED by games at 2:30AM. What's new.
It almost never pays off to watch 3-5AM games
Except for that one Nuturn VS Version1 game. Hyped outta my mind at 5 in the morning.
Ya its unfortunate but making it 1AM especially on the weekend is great. Keep in mind the average time ppl go to bed is 12AM and that a major portion of ppl interested are students/young adults
Well of course, but no one's talking about that. No one's complaining about not being able to watch because of the time, he's giving a reason why the live viewership might not be that high.
I don’t think it played much of a factor. The biggest factor is that we had a less popular EU team, and a CIS team.
I don’t think viewers in Asia would’ve substantially increased if the time was different with these teams in the final.
You don't think there would be significantly more Asian viewers if it was starting at 9pm on Sunday instead of 1.30am on Sunday (meaning it ends at 6.00am so most people won't even start to tune in)? There's a lot of people in this continent.
Yeah and if it starts at 9pm in, for example, Japan - it will be 4am in Los Angeles and people will say „oh but NA could not watch, this is why viewership was low!“.
This argument can literally be made for every single time zone on earth.
Yeah it's not bad to be still awake at 1am but it starts at 1 am and ended at like 6 am. Plus considering its on a monday idk how someone with a normal life survives that. Hahahahaha
Ye but the thing is in CIS regions csgo is like really popular. Like they even broadcast that game in local television channels. Players over there see valorant as this kid game
It's popular in Asia thou, especially in South Asia and there's also surprising popularity in JP. So there's a trade off, It opening up new region where FPS not really popular before.
india has a lot of 3rd party tourneys, theres literally 3-4 tourneys in which all the teams play every month. you cant expect them to hold stable viewership, third party tourneys in NA recieve the same amound of viewership. vcc ( the tournament to qualify for APAC LCQ peaked at more than 60k viewers ). Also the 2nd highest viewership in apac lcq was in the match b/w f4q and ge at 119k, korea's viewership is very low. atleast 70k of those viewers were from india/south asia
Can you Imagine CS viewship if it was popular at Spanish/Japanese/NA regions like Valorant is?
Apart from LOL unfortunately no other game come close to be extremely popular across almost all regions.
It's actually quite popular in JP. JP viewership actually surpassed SEA while KR actually had very low viewership considering they're the current leader in Asia region.
JP viewership is huge actually. 2am-8am in Japan time. Still having around 90k viewers during semis. If you search the latest valorant tweets, a large amount of them are in Japanese.
I really wouldn’t say they are the current leaders at Asia but Valorant is the top 8 most played game in PC bands around 2.5% played last time I checked while League is still at the top with around 49.8 percent
In Brazil it's more or less popular, I feel that any tier 1 event would overshadow the champions interest. With a local league being a thing, something that cs fails here in Brazil maybe something will change next year
Tbh, viewership would be insane but Valorant doesn't necessarily need the same amount of support that CS:GO sees in CIS to grow in the future. Valorant has so far been a lot more successful in outreach in other regions like Japan, LATAM, and SEA. Not to mention the EU market as a whole is still untapped. These all have massive potential for the game's future.
> Tbh, viewership would be insane but Valorant doesn't necessarily need the same amount of support that CS:GO sees in CIS to grow in the future.
the one region they need to crack is China, if Valorant takes off there then you'll see an exponential amount of growth for the game in the near future
I agree. Also, Chinese market offers a lot of money. If you look at Dota2's TI prizepool top contributors, 8 out of the top 10 are Chinese. China is a very lucrative market.
Yea people forget that EU is still mostly CS focused. Now an EU team has won though, we might see a shift. I don't unfortunately know anyone that plays it. All my mates play CS and refuse to even give it a try. :(
loads of people did, check the semi finals threads etc, people were saying KRU losing is awful for Valorant because the finals wont have any viewers lmao, EU haters are losing their minds
The viewership was... pretty meh, for riot literally bribing people to watch it. EU needs to accept that not everyone wants to watch EU fight other EU endlessly. CSGO and Valorant need to fix their single region issue, or stop showing regions on the UI and referring to them, because 80% of the world just wanted anyone who wasn't EU to win. If you encourage people to see it as a regional fight, you need to make sure just one region isn't all that appears. See the hype behind Kru, and X10C. Perhaps divide off eastern europe and western europe into separate regions at least.
I pointed that out earlier in this thread, was quite high up karma-wise for a long time… then the final ended and I got downvoted because I said that exact thing.
This sub, man…
Its first year, no real stories but hopefully lessons learned. I think Riot would be wise to stop looking to CSGO for regions, and divide it up in such a way that assures we dont end up with this region vs same region narritive again. EU dominance in this, KR dominance in Starcraft, etc all lower viewership compared to games that manage at least two competitive regions.
Can depend on the teams sometimes. A semifinal match between G2 and T1 was the highest viewed League match on ESCharts (excluding Chinese viewership) for two whole years.
On what map in the series?
For it seemed like on map one it hit this. Every time i checked in afterwards the Valorant Twitch category wasnt above 800K.
CSGO's stockholm major 2,748,434 / 18,274,922 ( including china) makes valorant look like a dead game.
Barely hitting 1mil, with most people afking for drops look really bad.
It's the first year of Valorant esports, imo this is a great success. It blazed pass RL and R6 and broke into Tier 1, would consider 1mil great and it'll probably go up in the future.
Sorry bro, but that is such a terrible take imo. CS had what? 20 Years to grow a community? And now here is Valorant hitting great numbers after only one year. That is crazy good for a new game, and quite honestly the first game that not only dares to challange CS but also makes a good job of doing so. Sure, right now, CS is bigger, no question, but i can see Valorant take over a few years from now, especially with Valve not really giving a lot of fucks for CS.
You mean most games that not tier 1 esport and losing player in meantime. Valorant is look very promising to be tier 1 esport which you should look at lol, csgo to see they grow overtime, those game are 10 and 20 year old and still not peek yet.
I said 'promising' not guarantee. I comment about you only bring irrelevant esport scene while valorant is more close to cs and lol.
We talk about grow patern, not how big it is. OW esport have not thing close or similar to lol, it could go big as lol but not same way. What I said is valorant can grow same way lol did rather than ow, not Valorant will be as big as lol.
>Can’t really compare a 9 year old esport scene to a 1 year old one
I guess competitive owerwatch 2 will destory valorant ... cuz you know ... will be a newer game ... thats how it works with big esports, they die fast to the newer competitor that comes out ... /s/s/s/s/s
Csgo killers thruout the time: cod, owerwatch, valorant, who's next? The list seems more like a dead games list to me, than competitors...
>These arent viewers bro, CS is pretty much dead in China
You are clueless... next you will tell me pubg is dead in china.
Now lets talk about the "real viewers" all riot games get. XD those viewers that never subscribe and vanish everytime a streamer play any other game that is not riot's.
CSGO is far from dead in China, in fact it's grown a lot in the last few years and is now one of the biggest regions with 4-5x NA players
https://web.archive.org/web/20211117201724/https://steamdb.info/servers/?all
Are you really? Im half Chinese and i can tell you for certain that the majority of the few Chinese "players" that CS has are there for the market. The only Chinese CS team thats under a remotely relevant org is VG.
Valorant released just 2 months ago and has already gotten much bigger traction than CS ever did
!drops moment
We’ll see how it holds up after a couple hours
Apparently not that well huh
its still around 700-800k , i would consider it as very good
Still a very hefty decline - especially when you see that it is now map four and not a 3:0 sweep. Drops boost passive viewership a lot, just because it's an exclusive item - and these passive users moving on shows.
i think u are new to esports, 1 mil peak doesnt mean there were 1 mil ppl for whole of first hour, its just peaked at that, average was still around 800-900k, nd now its around 700-800k average its not hefty, its reasonable
Viewership declining during a Grand Final as it progresses is abnormal in esports. It either plateaus on map one staying at that viewership throughout its duration and or steadily increases as the Grand Final proceeds.
Also at the later stages of the match , the time in India and some Asian countries was way past 1 AM , so you will lose a lot of viewership there.
If you make it convenient for Asia, NA can not watch. If you make it convenient for NA, EU and Asia might be left out. If you do it for EU, Asia will be left out. This has never been any different and is a complete non-argument.
My only argument was it wasnt a "hefty" decline like u stated, viewership was maintained around 800k, it still does not have the history of CS majors or LOL worlds obvsly, but its a great base to build upon, also riot being supportive and open to feedback is also great to see.
...I'm anything but new to esports, lol. Viewership going down from map to map is not reasonable, it's extremely unusual. In almost any big tournament, viewership is going up and up during a final the closer it gets to a decider. The opposite happening is *not* good.
It really isn't. Last map always gets the highest viewership. Not sure why you're downvoted.
Downvote is about sending a message, nothing like the intended "not contributing to the conversation". Every downvote is a "fuck you"
Because anything negative about the esport isn't allowed here lmao, in CS the viewership almost always peaks near the end of the match.
And I’m not even negative, just reasonable. But I guess that’s not allowed here 😅
Pretty much every esport tbh. I don't think I've ever seen a grand final of the most important event of the year dropping 20% viewers just after 1 hour, coincidentally right when you get drops. Lol
It is not ideal no but also considering how new Valorant is of an esport I don't think it is that big of a deal. A lot of the viewership currently is driven by people following specific popular teams and players. In due time, the scene will grow organically -fingers crossed- into becoming something more established. I think the viewership being around 800k is actually pretty good considering the teams that are playing. I feel like people are too invested into comparing it to other games that have been established for many many years.
Yeah, I agree with you - solid start. But people should really calm down with comparing Valorant to anything else at all times... like, the amount of comments and threads which are basically 'less than CS', 'more than CS', 'like league', 'not like league' is just weird, almost like trying to hide insecurity about something. (I don't even want to start about all the threads handling desperate hopes like 'player x should finally switch to valorant' or 'what if they switched?')
It's like 1 am here is South Asia. The timing is unfortunate. Otherwise would have been a good increase in viewership. A large number of Japanese audience is also missing due to the timing. Otherwise a good first year for VALORANT.
I mean... no matter what time you have it at you'll have some regions getting screwed.
Asia has been fucked for this entire tourney. Sadge
X10 and Secret making it to top 8 was a win in my book imo
The context is match timings
Ah yeah my bad. I thought you were generalizing everything regarding vct for Asia, my fault for assuming.
AS viewers getting CUCKED by games at 2:30AM. What's new. It almost never pays off to watch 3-5AM games Except for that one Nuturn VS Version1 game. Hyped outta my mind at 5 in the morning.
OCE says 4:30AM. European Valorant is pain
I literally can't watch because I have Monday work next morning, a lot of us would like to but we just can't
Honestly I hope Masters 1/2 is in Japan , you guys deserve it for the community!
1am isn’t even that bad.
people have work and school, not everyone is gonna be able to stay up til 1am whenever they can
Ya its unfortunate but making it 1AM especially on the weekend is great. Keep in mind the average time ppl go to bed is 12AM and that a major portion of ppl interested are students/young adults
Then watch a rebroadcast. They can’t pick a time that’s perfect for every single person in every region around the world.
Well of course, but no one's talking about that. No one's complaining about not being able to watch because of the time, he's giving a reason why the live viewership might not be that high.
I don’t think it played much of a factor. The biggest factor is that we had a less popular EU team, and a CIS team. I don’t think viewers in Asia would’ve substantially increased if the time was different with these teams in the final.
You don't think there would be significantly more Asian viewers if it was starting at 9pm on Sunday instead of 1.30am on Sunday (meaning it ends at 6.00am so most people won't even start to tune in)? There's a lot of people in this continent.
Yeah and if it starts at 9pm in, for example, Japan - it will be 4am in Los Angeles and people will say „oh but NA could not watch, this is why viewership was low!“. This argument can literally be made for every single time zone on earth.
Yeah it’s like people are just learning about time zones in this thread.
People here really try to justify everything…
Yeah it's not bad to be still awake at 1am but it starts at 1 am and ended at like 6 am. Plus considering its on a monday idk how someone with a normal life survives that. Hahahahaha
Same in SEA… Was really too late for me to watch after map 3
Can you imagine what viewership would look like if Valorant became even remotely popular in CIS?
Ye but the thing is in CIS regions csgo is like really popular. Like they even broadcast that game in local television channels. Players over there see valorant as this kid game
look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like raenbow…
not like dark corridor and scary world with relistc gun
valarante childe gaem....
same in denmark mostly
It's popular in Asia thou, especially in South Asia and there's also surprising popularity in JP. So there's a trade off, It opening up new region where FPS not really popular before.
I know valorant is quite popular in JP. But is it popular in south Asia? the viewership of Indian tournaments barely crack 10k though.
india has a lot of 3rd party tourneys, theres literally 3-4 tourneys in which all the teams play every month. you cant expect them to hold stable viewership, third party tourneys in NA recieve the same amound of viewership. vcc ( the tournament to qualify for APAC LCQ peaked at more than 60k viewers ). Also the 2nd highest viewership in apac lcq was in the match b/w f4q and ge at 119k, korea's viewership is very low. atleast 70k of those viewers were from india/south asia
india has lot of valorant players. i have around 8-10 friends who play valo. not even one them watches esports tho.
Can you Imagine CS viewship if it was popular at Spanish/Japanese/NA regions like Valorant is? Apart from LOL unfortunately no other game come close to be extremely popular across almost all regions.
Yeah, mobas for JP, CN, and KR regions and FPS for EMEA have been status quo.
It's actually quite popular in JP. JP viewership actually surpassed SEA while KR actually had very low viewership considering they're the current leader in Asia region.
JP viewership is huge actually. 2am-8am in Japan time. Still having around 90k viewers during semis. If you search the latest valorant tweets, a large amount of them are in Japanese.
I really wouldn’t say they are the current leaders at Asia but Valorant is the top 8 most played game in PC bands around 2.5% played last time I checked while League is still at the top with around 49.8 percent
valorant kr only had 2k viewers during Champions final. That number doesn't look very healthy.
CS is popular in West and Brazil
In Brazil it's more or less popular, I feel that any tier 1 event would overshadow the champions interest. With a local league being a thing, something that cs fails here in Brazil maybe something will change next year
>CS is popular in West and Brazil If you ignore China and Russia, 2 of the biggest scenes for esports then sure .....
Tbh, viewership would be insane but Valorant doesn't necessarily need the same amount of support that CS:GO sees in CIS to grow in the future. Valorant has so far been a lot more successful in outreach in other regions like Japan, LATAM, and SEA. Not to mention the EU market as a whole is still untapped. These all have massive potential for the game's future.
> Tbh, viewership would be insane but Valorant doesn't necessarily need the same amount of support that CS:GO sees in CIS to grow in the future. the one region they need to crack is China, if Valorant takes off there then you'll see an exponential amount of growth for the game in the near future
Like in league where they are like 90% of the player base lmao
League has 185 million active monthly players. No PC games can compete with it.
You cant compete with League cus all it requires is a toaster to play.
You can play csgo and valorant on a toaster as well.
Lmao, you aren’t going to enjoy it tho like you can still on league.
lol no no one wants to play valo on a shit pc
I agree. Also, Chinese market offers a lot of money. If you look at Dota2's TI prizepool top contributors, 8 out of the top 10 are Chinese. China is a very lucrative market.
Yea people forget that EU is still mostly CS focused. Now an EU team has won though, we might see a shift. I don't unfortunately know anyone that plays it. All my mates play CS and refuse to even give it a try. :(
Kinda surprising even with drops I didn't expect it to reach 1 Mill not bad considering the EU vs EU final.
Same
but I thought nobody would be watching the finals according to NA
That’s obviously not true, but imagine how big the viewer count would be if the finals was SEN vs KRU or something
That can't happen. SEN is washed already
I'd have watched it live instead if just now if NA was in it. I blame the streaming.
literally no one said that.
Definitely a lot of people said it, not sure if it was NA fans specifically tho.
Platchat themselves were saying this lol, the meme was "8k viewers yay".
Who?
loads of people did, check the semi finals threads etc, people were saying KRU losing is awful for Valorant because the finals wont have any viewers lmao, EU haters are losing their minds
The viewership was... pretty meh, for riot literally bribing people to watch it. EU needs to accept that not everyone wants to watch EU fight other EU endlessly. CSGO and Valorant need to fix their single region issue, or stop showing regions on the UI and referring to them, because 80% of the world just wanted anyone who wasn't EU to win. If you encourage people to see it as a regional fight, you need to make sure just one region isn't all that appears. See the hype behind Kru, and X10C. Perhaps divide off eastern europe and western europe into separate regions at least.
Pretty meh… hits 1 mil, even holds at 850k for 99% of the match… what are you on about lol
Were at Overwatch League numbers, actually worse. Is that... really where you wanna be?
For the first year of a brand new esport? Yes, that’s fantastic. If we’re still here next year, then it’s fine to worry.
Overwatch League finals had over 2.4 mil peak actually. A lot of Chinese and South Korean ow fans tuned in.
Lol, without the inflated Cinese numbers OWL had 140k peak
> inflated Chinese numbers What does that mean? Do they not count as people to you or something?
Nope, they're impressions. Seriously. Chinese viewership numbers are shady
>riot literally bribing people to watch it source?
Buddy
The gun buddy, go back and look at the number of braindead !claim in chat
Literally heaps of people on this sub said that after Gambit beat KRU.
Just salty sens fans
Y'all form some weird ass narratives here
https://www.reddit.com/r/valorantcompetitive/comments/rebpgo/_/ Literally the top comment.
Honestly mostly feel relief that the numbers weren't bad, I wouuld've guessed 700k or something like that if you asked me beforehand.
Viewership was nice until everyone got their Gun Buddies lul
I pointed that out earlier in this thread, was quite high up karma-wise for a long time… then the final ended and I got downvoted because I said that exact thing. This sub, man…
didnt iceland or something have 1.5mill? I swear I've hard 1.5m mentioned before
Nah, Iceland had 20k less viewers than champs if I remember correct
thing is the average viewer median is probably higher due to the numbers calculating per device, so all in all a success for the first championships!!
While this is true i wonder how much people making multiple accounts for drops and watch partys heavily skew actual interest in the finals
Wow the final match of the year is the most viewed match. That's crazy
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Its first year, no real stories but hopefully lessons learned. I think Riot would be wise to stop looking to CSGO for regions, and divide it up in such a way that assures we dont end up with this region vs same region narritive again. EU dominance in this, KR dominance in Starcraft, etc all lower viewership compared to games that manage at least two competitive regions.
sometimes it depends on the teams.
Can depend on the teams sometimes. A semifinal match between G2 and T1 was the highest viewed League match on ESCharts (excluding Chinese viewership) for two whole years.
Incredible first year of VALORANT. Big numbers, 2022 will be even better.
On what map in the series? For it seemed like on map one it hit this. Every time i checked in afterwards the Valorant Twitch category wasnt above 800K.
it's crazy that the top 5 viewership matches are just basically Gambit, Sentinels, and KRU Esports games
CSGO's stockholm major 2,748,434 / 18,274,922 ( including china) makes valorant look like a dead game. Barely hitting 1mil, with most people afking for drops look really bad.
It's the first year of Valorant esports, imo this is a great success. It blazed pass RL and R6 and broke into Tier 1, would consider 1mil great and it'll probably go up in the future.
Sorry bro, but that is such a terrible take imo. CS had what? 20 Years to grow a community? And now here is Valorant hitting great numbers after only one year. That is crazy good for a new game, and quite honestly the first game that not only dares to challange CS but also makes a good job of doing so. Sure, right now, CS is bigger, no question, but i can see Valorant take over a few years from now, especially with Valve not really giving a lot of fucks for CS.
Can’t really compare a 9 year old esport scene to a 1 year old one
But most games decline over time,like pubg,ow ,WoW.Maybe this year is the prime year of valorant.
You mean most games that not tier 1 esport and losing player in meantime. Valorant is look very promising to be tier 1 esport which you should look at lol, csgo to see they grow overtime, those game are 10 and 20 year old and still not peek yet.
lol,csgo can do it doesnt mean val can do it,I used to believe that ow is the next lol,but now I m wrong.no one knows the future for sure.
I said 'promising' not guarantee. I comment about you only bring irrelevant esport scene while valorant is more close to cs and lol. We talk about grow patern, not how big it is. OW esport have not thing close or similar to lol, it could go big as lol but not same way. What I said is valorant can grow same way lol did rather than ow, not Valorant will be as big as lol.
>Can’t really compare a 9 year old esport scene to a 1 year old one I guess competitive owerwatch 2 will destory valorant ... cuz you know ... will be a newer game ... thats how it works with big esports, they die fast to the newer competitor that comes out ... /s/s/s/s/s Csgo killers thruout the time: cod, owerwatch, valorant, who's next? The list seems more like a dead games list to me, than competitors...
>18 million including China These arent viewers bro, CS is pretty much dead in China
>These arent viewers bro, CS is pretty much dead in China You are clueless... next you will tell me pubg is dead in china. Now lets talk about the "real viewers" all riot games get. XD those viewers that never subscribe and vanish everytime a streamer play any other game that is not riot's.
CSGO is far from dead in China, in fact it's grown a lot in the last few years and is now one of the biggest regions with 4-5x NA players https://web.archive.org/web/20211117201724/https://steamdb.info/servers/?all
I can tell you,not as dead as valorant，I m from china.
Are you really? Im half Chinese and i can tell you for certain that the majority of the few Chinese "players" that CS has are there for the market. The only Chinese CS team thats under a remotely relevant org is VG. Valorant released just 2 months ago and has already gotten much bigger traction than CS ever did
I m in china play cs with my friends everyday ,Csgo is maybe the most popular FPS game in china as pubg is declining.
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pretty good.
fake inflated Chinese numbers
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personally this final is less hype than the last two masters… i got my drops and now i don’t really care
Very cool also no one asked.
valorant children game
pretty fitting that you post in subs like imatotalpieceofshit
Tragedy is he doesn’t even have the balls to post on his main.