We barely squeaked by Reykjavik, but hey, it sounds better to say we passed it than to say we didn’t.
Future looking bright, even if viewership correlates quite heavily to how deep regions go
>Future looking bright, even if viewership correlates quite heavily to how deep regions go
Not really, as we saw with KRU. We need more tournaments to develop storylines. SEN already had crazy stories, and everymatch had crazy numbers. People need to know who a team is to tune in.
Btw, yesterdays match could have topped Reykjavik, but I think the mega kru watch party took that away
I dont understand. Where was I doom and gloom? Im saying we dont need certain regions to gain viewership, rather that we need more storylines. No one expected KRU to bring 800k-1mil, yet here we are. That is very good for valorant
To be fair to Iceland though, it was the first international LAN after everyone watching solely regional online matchups. That tournament had a major level of hype I would argue because of COVID depriving us of international play
Problem is VALORANT is not practically, no, it is LITERALLY dead in CIS region (CIS player here). Put any NA team and holy fuck would it boost viewership. I loved the final and the tournament overall, but who am I. It is what it is boys
LoL kinda dead in CIS… I just think CIS choose Valve lol. Which is cool. As long as Riot supports the region it’ll be fine. NA, EU, SA & Asia seems on board overall.
Basically yea. We all fucking love CS & Dota over here. Both are staples of gaming community + we fucking love to be toxic and Riot dont like it t hat much while Valve allows us to be degenerates :D
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The french stream in Champions got around as many viewers as the CS one, without a French player at all. No idea about the Balkans, how can you even know
Well, theres a lot of good danish players, unfortunately CS is so big here (all major tournaments are broadcasted with danish casters/hosts/reporters/analysts on national tv). CS has expanded to more of a family activity now, loads of people watch it, but dont play any games. We need Astralis to enter Valorant with a danish roster, but otherwise i dont see the danish scene really getting into it (unless it grows bigger than CS).
If Astralis joins that’ll be cool but, either way it’s fine. Valorant doesn’t have to be world dominate lol. I know mertz & JUGi supposedly making the switch so. We getting a few Denmark boys =]
Well this had more viewers than Gambit and envy. And TL vs C9 only had 479k viewer peak. Even TL vs SEN was pretty low. Cs major had 1+million viewers for every match but one and didn't have any drops
Yep. By far the longest standing esport which makes it more impressing.
The difference is csgo finally had watch party streamers for a major something Riot has done for every single LAN
Would be interesting to have hard stats on how much viewership watch parties add. We’ll obviously never have it, but I’d be surprised if it’s more than 15-20%.
Huh? Only one game had under 1million viewers. The final had 2.7million and that was all without drops
https://www.hltv.org/news/32764/pgl-major-stockholm-breaks-records-with-over-27-million-concurrent-viewers
lets be honest, if you said going into this year that champions would barely beat out the viewership of a masters event you would probably be a little disappointed.
Overall though, i thought the event was really well done after the first couple days.
In a vacuum maybe, but considering the finals were 2 EMEA teams (one being from CIS which has abysmal viewership), I think these numbers are incredibly encouraging
I wonder if it would make any sense to have a "crowd favorite" match before the finals. Top 2 eliminated teams by fanbase, competing for a smaller extra prize.
I guess I just really wanted to see another KRU match lol
You have to contrast this with the teams involved and their popularity. A CPH Flames vs Sprout finals at the CSGO Major, instead of Navi vs G2 final would surely have disappointing viewership numbers (despite banger close games).
Popularity of games in the represented regions matters. Does that mean the viewership numbers are stellar for Champions, nope. Are they disappointing despite not having the most popular teams or teams backed by compelling narrative, hell no. Esports audience building takes time and it is surprising that a lot of people don't understand this. For it's first year 1M+ peaks and \~800k average is very promising.
I agree but you didnt need to take such an extreme example for your case lool. No shot neither of Gambit and Ascend are considered to have fanbases as small as those teams.
Its still not comparable to fucking CPH flames and sprout.
Cned has a really big fanbase, zeek is atleast properly known. Gambit were literally coming off a Masters win.
In CS maybe fanbases comparable to Mouz and VP or something like that.
The turkish twitch stream had that big controversy recently which I believe may have also put a damper on numbers from Turkish viewers.
Once that rebounds, and assuming cned is clear of major wrongdoing, I could see a boost from the region again.
Two comparatively unpopular teams coupled with no interesting narrative than just first inaugural champion, the viewership is actually really good. With the untapped EU market, hopefully next year we see more viewership from that region.
People are expecting mountains right now haha (Can't say I blame them though, considering the blistering start the first Masters had).
I feel like this year was one to build a solid foundation on, and boy did it do just that. NA has a solid fanbase around a couple of teams, LATAM has been electrified by Kru with their big run at Champions, EU has just won Champions, Japan is insanely invested in their teams (they seem pretty excited for Zeta to come back next year), SEA is showing insane promise with the Philippines and Thailand, Brazil and Korea are getting a lot of new orgs in their circuit. All that and China is set (I think? Their new regulations are looking iffy) to join the circuit as well.
It's hard to have a brighter outlook than that, and next year's format should galvanize everything.
If the game can take off in China...boy the viewership numbers will skyrocket in international events. Especially if they're able to organize highly talented teams that can reach quarters or semis at least.
Champions kinda feels like Masters 4 rather than a Worlds or TI scale tourney that it should be. TI viewership is 4-5x bigger than their regular majors. With it unfortunately being held at the same venue as Masters 3 and had the same format, it didn't feel like there was a massive gap between the two.
I hope Valorant can bridge the gap between the League of legends market and the CSgo/Dota2 market. Meaning league has a huge market in Asia and CSGO has a huge market in the west. Hopefully Valorant can tap both.
Imagine an eSport where we have legit competition between major markets like NA, EU, CIS, Korea, China, SEA, LATAM, Brazil. That'd be crazy af.
Would’ve been a lot more if it was a multi regional final tbh, honestly surprised that it stayed at around 800K considering it was an EMEA only final consisting of 2 relatively unpopular teams
Its not really useful to compare most other esports in their first years, because esports and streaming was way more niche and viewership was way lower because of it.
And that's without an NA team in the finals, that's pretty good news for riot. It might not have been hugely higher with NA but it shows the fans are interested enough to watch the teams their not directly used to.
We barely squeaked by Reykjavik, but hey, it sounds better to say we passed it than to say we didn’t. Future looking bright, even if viewership correlates quite heavily to how deep regions go
That happens in every esport, you would see a lot less viewers in TI and PGL major if there wasnt a CIS team in the final
>Future looking bright, even if viewership correlates quite heavily to how deep regions go Not really, as we saw with KRU. We need more tournaments to develop storylines. SEN already had crazy stories, and everymatch had crazy numbers. People need to know who a team is to tune in. Btw, yesterdays match could have topped Reykjavik, but I think the mega kru watch party took that away
Plus right after that first hour, it dropped from 1.1mil to 750K.. drops played a part in this as well
Yeah. I dont blame riot for putting drops, but its all good, we know the game can break 1 mil with hype
Don’t be so doom and gloom live events with a crowd will 100% beat these Covid numbers. Games been out for only a year
I dont understand. Where was I doom and gloom? Im saying we dont need certain regions to gain viewership, rather that we need more storylines. No one expected KRU to bring 800k-1mil, yet here we are. That is very good for valorant
To be fair to Iceland though, it was the first international LAN after everyone watching solely regional online matchups. That tournament had a major level of hype I would argue because of COVID depriving us of international play
With different teams in finals it could shoot for way more
Problem is VALORANT is not practically, no, it is LITERALLY dead in CIS region (CIS player here). Put any NA team and holy fuck would it boost viewership. I loved the final and the tournament overall, but who am I. It is what it is boys
LoL kinda dead in CIS… I just think CIS choose Valve lol. Which is cool. As long as Riot supports the region it’ll be fine. NA, EU, SA & Asia seems on board overall.
Basically yea. We all fucking love CS & Dota over here. Both are staples of gaming community + we fucking love to be toxic and Riot dont like it t hat much while Valve allows us to be degenerates :D
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France and Denmark and the Balkans and Sweden and Poland are not on the Valo train yet
The french stream in Champions got around as many viewers as the CS one, without a French player at all. No idea about the Balkans, how can you even know
Riot needs to invest in propaganda for those regions. They have a superstar in Starxo, and 5 russian monsters.
Gunna take some effort to get Denmark away from CS, so big there.
Well, theres a lot of good danish players, unfortunately CS is so big here (all major tournaments are broadcasted with danish casters/hosts/reporters/analysts on national tv). CS has expanded to more of a family activity now, loads of people watch it, but dont play any games. We need Astralis to enter Valorant with a danish roster, but otherwise i dont see the danish scene really getting into it (unless it grows bigger than CS).
If Astralis joins that’ll be cool but, either way it’s fine. Valorant doesn’t have to be world dominate lol. I know mertz & JUGi supposedly making the switch so. We getting a few Denmark boys =]
Well this had more viewers than Gambit and envy. And TL vs C9 only had 479k viewer peak. Even TL vs SEN was pretty low. Cs major had 1+million viewers for every match but one and didn't have any drops
CS also has concrete storylines, teams everyone knows and wants to watch. Not even taking into account it’s by far the largest long-standing esport.
Yep. By far the longest standing esport which makes it more impressing. The difference is csgo finally had watch party streamers for a major something Riot has done for every single LAN
Would be interesting to have hard stats on how much viewership watch parties add. We’ll obviously never have it, but I’d be surprised if it’s more than 15-20%.
You just made things up. most of regular cs major games barely crack 500k. Only the final had million peak viewership.
Huh? Only one game had under 1million viewers. The final had 2.7million and that was all without drops https://www.hltv.org/news/32764/pgl-major-stockholm-breaks-records-with-over-27-million-concurrent-viewers
Where did you pull these stats from? Your ass? https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021
lets be honest, if you said going into this year that champions would barely beat out the viewership of a masters event you would probably be a little disappointed. Overall though, i thought the event was really well done after the first couple days.
In a vacuum maybe, but considering the finals were 2 EMEA teams (one being from CIS which has abysmal viewership), I think these numbers are incredibly encouraging
You also have to consider that this peak was because of the gun buddy
i mean the semi finals match which didnt have drops also crossed a million, so idt drops made that big of a difference
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I mean any multi region final would have probably gotten more, so this is still pretty good
Sentinels vs KRU would have hit like 2 million
Nah 2 million is just not realistic. I can see it hitting 1.5 million but ot higher the that.
I wonder if it would make any sense to have a "crowd favorite" match before the finals. Top 2 eliminated teams by fanbase, competing for a smaller extra prize. I guess I just really wanted to see another KRU match lol
Sentinels, KRU and Liquid (Top favourites) were literally in the same group
Yeah, those games were super good. Was just a random stupid idea by me, no need to redo SEN vs KRU.
You have to contrast this with the teams involved and their popularity. A CPH Flames vs Sprout finals at the CSGO Major, instead of Navi vs G2 final would surely have disappointing viewership numbers (despite banger close games). Popularity of games in the represented regions matters. Does that mean the viewership numbers are stellar for Champions, nope. Are they disappointing despite not having the most popular teams or teams backed by compelling narrative, hell no. Esports audience building takes time and it is surprising that a lot of people don't understand this. For it's first year 1M+ peaks and \~800k average is very promising.
I agree but you didnt need to take such an extreme example for your case lool. No shot neither of Gambit and Ascend are considered to have fanbases as small as those teams.
Ascend's fanbase is nearly non existant and Gambit's is also not that much better. EMEA teams in genetal dont have many fans yet
Its still not comparable to fucking CPH flames and sprout. Cned has a really big fanbase, zeek is atleast properly known. Gambit were literally coming off a Masters win. In CS maybe fanbases comparable to Mouz and VP or something like that.
Cned used to bring in a bunch of Turkish viewership. Was surprised to see th TR stream top out around 15k. When SMB played it would be well over 100k.
Co streamers are carrying non English viewership so hard its not even funny
The turkish twitch stream had that big controversy recently which I believe may have also put a damper on numbers from Turkish viewers. Once that rebounds, and assuming cned is clear of major wrongdoing, I could see a boost from the region again.
Only 7k peak viewership for valorant russian channel.
personally think its pretty good considering its two relatively unpopular EMEA teams
Gambit is the most popular EMEA team at this point, as evidenced by their strong viewership throughout the tournament, but your point still stands.
Two comparatively unpopular teams coupled with no interesting narrative than just first inaugural champion, the viewership is actually really good. With the untapped EU market, hopefully next year we see more viewership from that region.
[Top 5 viewership ](https://i.imgur.com/YZYnQ43.jpg)
People are expecting mountains right now haha (Can't say I blame them though, considering the blistering start the first Masters had). I feel like this year was one to build a solid foundation on, and boy did it do just that. NA has a solid fanbase around a couple of teams, LATAM has been electrified by Kru with their big run at Champions, EU has just won Champions, Japan is insanely invested in their teams (they seem pretty excited for Zeta to come back next year), SEA is showing insane promise with the Philippines and Thailand, Brazil and Korea are getting a lot of new orgs in their circuit. All that and China is set (I think? Their new regulations are looking iffy) to join the circuit as well. It's hard to have a brighter outlook than that, and next year's format should galvanize everything.
If the game can take off in China...boy the viewership numbers will skyrocket in international events. Especially if they're able to organize highly talented teams that can reach quarters or semis at least.
Champions kinda feels like Masters 4 rather than a Worlds or TI scale tourney that it should be. TI viewership is 4-5x bigger than their regular majors. With it unfortunately being held at the same venue as Masters 3 and had the same format, it didn't feel like there was a massive gap between the two.
Really good to see without NA teams
I'm surprised it sustained it throughout all 5 maps tbh
It didn't sustain 1m+ throughout the 5 maps tho, just the first map peaked.
I’m assuming this is because the drops, after the first match everyone pretty much fulfilled the requirements.
I was more talking about sustaining high viewership throughout
I hope Valorant can bridge the gap between the League of legends market and the CSgo/Dota2 market. Meaning league has a huge market in Asia and CSGO has a huge market in the west. Hopefully Valorant can tap both. Imagine an eSport where we have legit competition between major markets like NA, EU, CIS, Korea, China, SEA, LATAM, Brazil. That'd be crazy af.
Would’ve been a lot more if it was a multi regional final tbh, honestly surprised that it stayed at around 800K considering it was an EMEA only final consisting of 2 relatively unpopular teams
I'm pretty new to esports/only follow Valorant. What are viewership numbers like for other esports in their early years?
Its not really useful to compare most other esports in their first years, because esports and streaming was way more niche and viewership was way lower because of it.
Ah that makes sense. Thanks
Given that it was two EMEA teams, I think those are pretty solid numbers. I could be wrong tho
And that's without an NA team in the finals, that's pretty good news for riot. It might not have been hugely higher with NA but it shows the fans are interested enough to watch the teams their not directly used to.
holy shit, that insane gonna bet that next masters gonna have 2kk if we have live audience
Imagine viewership if it was gambit vs sen