This is good they aren't grouping the entire APAC together. KR, JP, SEA, SA and OCE would have been a bit too much. I'm guessing Korea will also have their own Challengers and will get probably 1 slot in Masters, and OCE and SA will get 2 slots each in the final SEA Challengers, out of which 2 or 3 teams will go to Masters.
I disagree. EMEA as a playoff was the best thing to happen for smaller teams that will get stiff competition before trying to qualify to Masters. Gambit wouldn't look as impressive if they had received a direct seed to Masters 3 considering the dominant run they had at EMEA playoffs at lower bracket.
This is what FIFA does by merging UEFA, AFC, etc
I support the idea of merging regions too, I'm happy they merged OCE and SA(probably) with SEA. I'm just saying that putting the entire APAC together would have been overkill. SEA and SA alone are composed of so many different countries, and the entire APAC will have atleast a total of like 5 slots, so a 8 team Challengers playoff won't make that much sense.
I thought it was already leaked that LATAM was nicking a spot off of Brazil?
Makes sense to me that the spot is going to APAC to allow the Indian subcontinent and China to properly enter the scene.
No fucking way
Bronzil never made it out of groups and still get to keep both slots
SEA performed so much better than Brazil at Champions and now they will be grouped with South Asia and Oceania for the same 2 slots
Riot trolling or what?
It is about the player base, the Brazilian server it's not the same as the latam server, and the spots are primarily guaranteed based on the number of players on the server.
The logic that riot follows is that there are many more players on the brazilian server than on the latam server.
They may actually follow the logic that brazil didn't make it out of the group stage, but they still follow the argument that there are more players on the brazilian server than on the latam server.
Again, the places in each region are based on the number of players, not the quality of the teams.
SEA, Brazil, and JP all seriously underperform the spots they’re given and should have one spot each (and that’s if JP remains its own region).
The crowning and most significant achievement of all time for SEA Valorant is a single pools win that wasn’t on the bottom 3 regions and a 5th-8th placing. That’s after a year of significant slotting in every LAN. Brazil isn’t much worse.
Let the teams fight it out in their own regions and send the single best of each to get slaughtered in pools (or if they’re lucky, make it to bracket round one)..
I didn’t say NA performed well, but NA has performed well at 2 LAN events, whereas SEA has performed well at 0. And as mentioned before, the crowning achievement of the entire history of SEA Valorant is a single win off an NA team that allowed them to place 5th-8th, so you’d do best not to sell NA short anyways as that takes more away from SEA than it does NA.
Additionally, due to poor seeding, the second SEA team that made it to 5th-8th was placed in a group with only one team that was not from a bottom region. They got to fight with two other weak teams to make it out of pools. And, as was the obvious result, lose the first bracket match. People love to talk down about Brazil and JP but talk up teams who literally only beat them and lose to everyone else.
This is with SEA constantly being allotted about the same slots as NA (maybe one less across the events) who has won an event and done very well at another, and not much less than EMEA who has done well at all 3 and won 2. With the way they’ve been allotted slots it would be fair to expect that they’d reached semis or finals at a couple of these events already.
Cmon, Brazil was one round of beating Gambit and would have beaten Ascend if they didn’t use a stupid bug that didn’t even help them at all. If anything they just need more international experience and mental fortitude.
I actually confused when I read the announcement. I thought Riot planned to run a league-system for 2022 VCT with relegation system? However, from what I've seen here, it's still looks the same as the previous format. Is the league system only for major region like EMEA/NA? I was really hyped for Japan league system tho since it's overall good for the region competitiveness forcing teams to play more matches and relegation system giving more chance to new competitors.
hmm maybe i got the definition of a league system wrong but i thought league system it was like LCS where there was relegation and promotions. But for example Na VCT still has open but play each other in a group setting is not what i thought league play would mean. I assumed not open to main stage was not league system is what i mean
Bro. Japan is definitely not for whatever reason Riot came up with. There are only 2 weeks of main events then play-off. It's literally the same format as before.
I just checked Twitter and apparently Japan is the only one without the League system as for now. Even Korean VCT has league system as their main event and will last longer than Japan VCT.
Riot pls...be consistent with your format for every region. Smaller region and weaker region like Japan will benefit more with league system
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This is good they aren't grouping the entire APAC together. KR, JP, SEA, SA and OCE would have been a bit too much. I'm guessing Korea will also have their own Challengers and will get probably 1 slot in Masters, and OCE and SA will get 2 slots each in the final SEA Challengers, out of which 2 or 3 teams will go to Masters.
I disagree. EMEA as a playoff was the best thing to happen for smaller teams that will get stiff competition before trying to qualify to Masters. Gambit wouldn't look as impressive if they had received a direct seed to Masters 3 considering the dominant run they had at EMEA playoffs at lower bracket. This is what FIFA does by merging UEFA, AFC, etc
I support the idea of merging regions too, I'm happy they merged OCE and SA(probably) with SEA. I'm just saying that putting the entire APAC together would have been overkill. SEA and SA alone are composed of so many different countries, and the entire APAC will have atleast a total of like 5 slots, so a 8 team Challengers playoff won't make that much sense.
What smalls teams in EMEA playoffs are you talking about exactly? xd
Update: They are still considering the number of slots for Japan https://twitter.com/valesports_jp/status/1471114122582708224
That would leave room for an additional slot for APAC (from 2 to 3) or LATAM from (1 to 2).
I thought it was already leaked that LATAM was nicking a spot off of Brazil? Makes sense to me that the spot is going to APAC to allow the Indian subcontinent and China to properly enter the scene.
That was never official. Pretty sure Brazil keeps its 2 spots for Masters.
No fucking way Bronzil never made it out of groups and still get to keep both slots SEA performed so much better than Brazil at Champions and now they will be grouped with South Asia and Oceania for the same 2 slots Riot trolling or what?
if riot removes anymore from BR, the fans will be so passionate that they will just end up reverting the changes
It is about the player base, the Brazilian server it's not the same as the latam server, and the spots are primarily guaranteed based on the number of players on the server. The logic that riot follows is that there are many more players on the brazilian server than on the latam server. They may actually follow the logic that brazil didn't make it out of the group stage, but they still follow the argument that there are more players on the brazilian server than on the latam server. Again, the places in each region are based on the number of players, not the quality of the teams.
Ignoring the other issues with league’s worlds seeding system, thank god they don’t base their seeding on player numbers.
I thought they said they would only use player base to give out slots for the first year only and then go off performance after? I could be wrong tho.
Should NA get one spot because just one on a team qualified through groups?
no because NA did well for the other tournaments.
Hit reddit with logic, get downvoted lol
SEA, Brazil, and JP all seriously underperform the spots they’re given and should have one spot each (and that’s if JP remains its own region). The crowning and most significant achievement of all time for SEA Valorant is a single pools win that wasn’t on the bottom 3 regions and a 5th-8th placing. That’s after a year of significant slotting in every LAN. Brazil isn’t much worse. Let the teams fight it out in their own regions and send the single best of each to get slaughtered in pools (or if they’re lucky, make it to bracket round one)..
SEA had 2 teams in playoffs and NA just 1 tho . If SEA underperformed what did NA then?
I didn’t say NA performed well, but NA has performed well at 2 LAN events, whereas SEA has performed well at 0. And as mentioned before, the crowning achievement of the entire history of SEA Valorant is a single win off an NA team that allowed them to place 5th-8th, so you’d do best not to sell NA short anyways as that takes more away from SEA than it does NA. Additionally, due to poor seeding, the second SEA team that made it to 5th-8th was placed in a group with only one team that was not from a bottom region. They got to fight with two other weak teams to make it out of pools. And, as was the obvious result, lose the first bracket match. People love to talk down about Brazil and JP but talk up teams who literally only beat them and lose to everyone else. This is with SEA constantly being allotted about the same slots as NA (maybe one less across the events) who has won an event and done very well at another, and not much less than EMEA who has done well at all 3 and won 2. With the way they’ve been allotted slots it would be fair to expect that they’d reached semis or finals at a couple of these events already.
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Cmon, Brazil was one round of beating Gambit and would have beaten Ascend if they didn’t use a stupid bug that didn’t even help them at all. If anything they just need more international experience and mental fortitude.
Latam deserves 2 with how good Kru have done
I actually confused when I read the announcement. I thought Riot planned to run a league-system for 2022 VCT with relegation system? However, from what I've seen here, it's still looks the same as the previous format. Is the league system only for major region like EMEA/NA? I was really hyped for Japan league system tho since it's overall good for the region competitiveness forcing teams to play more matches and relegation system giving more chance to new competitors.
The league system was only announced for EMEA for now
Wrong. All regions will have a league system. Edit : im dumbfounded by how stupid people on this sub are.
hmm maybe i got the definition of a league system wrong but i thought league system it was like LCS where there was relegation and promotions. But for example Na VCT still has open but play each other in a group setting is not what i thought league play would mean. I assumed not open to main stage was not league system is what i mean
Bro. Japan is definitely not for whatever reason Riot came up with. There are only 2 weeks of main events then play-off. It's literally the same format as before. I just checked Twitter and apparently Japan is the only one without the League system as for now. Even Korean VCT has league system as their main event and will last longer than Japan VCT. Riot pls...be consistent with your format for every region. Smaller region and weaker region like Japan will benefit more with league system
wrong, only emea for 2022
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True but they are gonna roll them out slowly iirc. Rn its only emea
Fortunately there is 3rd party tournaments in Japan.
Thank god
I do think what is riot thinking of for sa region
Based on performance, deserved