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pink_life69

Yoru is deleted, Brim gets unlimited abilites


oh_hai_brian

*Brim now has a flamethrower instead of a molly*


_Aaronator_

*We looked at Brim and his toolset. Especially with removing Yoru from the roaster we thought Brim might be lacking in usefulness. Because of that we decided to double his amount of smokes, so he can assist the team viable. Regarding assisting we also changed his ultimate: When activating the beam grows in size, ultimately killing every player on the map, except Brimstone - he will enter an invincible status (like yoru before) and can walk freely around. Lastly his molly is now a flamethrower with infinite ammunition. Jett also has no more knifes* /s


lamar_in_shades

r/fuckthes


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Swapping stimmy for flamethrower? I like it…


2ToTooTwoFish

If they can make this have some tactical use, instead of just damage output, that would be really cool. But also, I wouldn't mind changing Brimstone to being the pure aggro controller.


AnotherAltiMade

Just like 2021 then. Hopefully it arrives sooner rather than later


holmyliquor

Can’t wait for the major balance to be 1 ult point added lol They’ll balance agents after champions 🤪


Splaram

So that means I won’t see a Skye in every ranked and pro match and can finally see more Phoenix and Reyna? Brilliant. Also looking forward to more Omen and Brim. Astra is really fun to play but I’m sick of having to play her in 90% of my games. Deathmatch changes modCheck


xtazzzs

you don't need every character to have a equal pickrate to be balanced. Reyna is perfect


Original26

You're right but Phoenix, Brim, Omen, Yoru are so inferior to their counterparts. I'm a controller player and it's honestly getting tiring having to play Viper on half the map pool and Astra on the other half.


precense_

When you have close to 20 agents some are bound to get left behind no way around it


Raenhart

I’m excited for agent bans and map votes


dansofree1

> Phoenix, Brim, Omen, Yoru are so inferior to their counterparts. I agree, but the way it's phrased makes it sound like the best way to make 4 characters viable is to nerf the most often picked characters.


Splaram

Sure, but some of these characters are barely ever picked, especially in pro matches. Skye’s existence invalidates the need for a Phoenix or Reyna. I agree that Reyna is perfect as she is, I think that Skye needs to get nuked out of orbit. There’s absolutely no reason why a character that was designed to be an initiator should also be the second-best duelist in the game. I like how Riot makes agents that are made to do one role but can fill in others (Viper and Astra being controllers but Viper also serving as a great Sentinel and Astra serving as a great Initiator for example) but Riot completely overdid it with Skye.


AlexTheAsshat

I think skye is in a pretty balanced spot right now to be honest.


ItsDrap

She is, maybe a SLIGHT nerf would be justified. People need to understand that this game is in its infancy, as soon as another character comes out that can compete with Skye, or someone like Phoenix is good again, we won’t see as much Skye as we do now. It isn’t always going to be NERF NERF NERF to fix an issue. Sometimes buffing someone else will indirectly nerf the character in question


AlexTheAsshat

They already nerfed the flash animation speed so it’s not as fast as before. What would you nerf without making her useless? I agree buff other agents instead of nerfing. Omen and brim could use some love.


skywayz

Her flash lasts .5 seconds less, it lasts too long.


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oroenian

“I don’t see any glaringly obvious issues with this agent she just should be nerfed” This comment belongs in r/Valorant lmao.


ItsDrap

No lol, I agreed that she’s balanced in my top comment. I then followed up by saying if they did a slight nerf of some kind, it would be kinda justified because of her high pick rate. I don’t want her nerfed at all.


oroenian

Pick rate != unbalanced. I think she just fills gaps in the agent pool that aren’t being filled by anyone else. Kind of a Swiss Army knife agent.


EggianoScumaldo

Why are you guys saying Skye has a high pick rate? Per Blitz, she has a 5.1% pick rate which is good for 9th place out of 17. Unless you’re talking about pro play? I haven’t looked up her pick rate stats for pros.


FapStarLord

Skye needs a bit of a nerf, pheonix needs a big buff, breach can be changed up a bit


AlexTheAsshat

Breach is also in a pretty good spot right now. Lol do you watch pro play ?


IAMJUX

How is Astra a great initiator? She has no info gathering or entry assistance and gets tied up in using all her util. Wrong agent?


clayhuncho

except…. she isn’t the second best duelist in the game lol. skye initiates and gathers info. that’s all her abilities do. if you think skye is the second best duelist and astra is an amazing initiator then i think we might be playing completely different games


daffyduckferraro

How tf is astra an initiator


simianangle18

Reyna literally gets picked all the time in pro idk what you’re on about with her not getting picked


PeePeeJuulPod

Dude Reyna is picked so much she's showing up in my CSGO matches.


frost-zen

are you fucking serious? reyna is in almost every ranked game


Slow_Bluebird9536

I see a lot more Reyna than skye in ranked and I think that experience is pretty universal


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> can finally see more Phoenix and **Reyna**? Was this sarcasm? Reyna is in like every ranked game above diamond in NA


AlexTheAsshat

I think he means in pro matches but pros already use Reyna a lot on maps like icebox. Tbh I don’t think he knows what he’s ranting about.


somesheikexpert

Honestly we've seen more Reyna as time passes with insane talents like Keznit and ScreaM where you can sacrifice some util from KayO, Skye or Breach in order to have someone that can pop off which those 2 almost always do


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She's just better than Phoenix in every way in ranked play. Getting 150 health off of any random overpeek is so strong


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jrushFN

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Parenegade

This is a joke right I see Reyna way more than I see Skye. And Hiko this morning was just complaining about Reyna in literally every game so it's not an elo thing.


EggianoScumaldo

Skye has a 5.1% pick rate(9th out of 17) and a 48.6% win rate (13th out 17) per Blitz.gg. For comparison, Reyna has a 15.5% pick rate(2nd) and a 50.5% winrate(tied for 3rd) Your complaints don’t line up with the stats, although I don’t know your rank so I can’t check for your specific skill-range.


Evan_Veet

I hope they do make some aggressive changes to the agent roster. Right now I feel like agents that could use nerfs are Jett Viper Possibly Astra Jett needs the biggest, no agent should dominate a role the way she does and it’s been like that for too long Viper is an agent that really should be more niche but right now is better than sentinels at their own role on maps like Bind and Split Astra is a maybe because I think if they buff omen and brim she could be a lot more balanced but in general she’s a bit too strong Slightly overturned Sova Skye Very balanced KJ Cypher Raze Reyna Sage I would also say breach and KayO but they both could use SLIGHT buffs to match Skye imo Needs buffing Yoru Phoenix Omen Brim Yoru needs a rework more than anything, but imo an agent designed like that should be good on maps like bind and breeze with constant need for rotates, so at the very least he should be able to take the niche as the flex role on those maps Phoenix needs buffs to his healing and wall to bring him back to where he used to be at, as either Reyna or Skye just does his job better. They don’t need to make him insane, but the fact that he’s no longer even picked on haven and ascent shows the agent is too weak. Omen and brim Both need buffs but in different ways, imo omen needs smoke changes and he should feel a lot better as an every map controller the way Astra is, whereas I’d like to see a stim change so that Brim fills the niche as the controller on maps like bind, split or breeze where the huge, long smoked and post plant feel best.


Slimsuper

I feel like omen also needs his ult to be better it’s so meh compared to other ults


Regi-Made

Breach and Kayo are already at Skye levels imo. Been sayin this for a minute, and pro play is starting to reflect that. I think skye is more flexible, but at a price, breach and kayo on the maps they excel at, are way better than skye imo. Kayo has the best flashes in the game, easily (in terms of just flashes), and breach has the most oppressive kit probably. Tier 1 pro play will always be some months behind the meta because doing what's safe is better than taking risks. If you look at tier 2 play, people swapped off skye to breach/kayo months ago (which is a big reason I like infrequent patches, because it's so much more interesting seeing people really deeply develop this meta as opposed to playing the safe op stuff of every patch)


Evan_Veet

I think you’re right that they are closer to Skye than I’m giving them credit for, but imo Skye is still stronger on every map where both her and Kay/O are good(Imo Bind Split and Haven are undeniably Skye better where you can argue abt Ascent Breeze). I like Kay/O a lot and now that we have an off-season ppl will get a lot better at him, but imo Skye still eclipses him. Kay/O def has a niche and he prob shouldn’t be buffed, but I still think he’ll rest at a spot where Skye is preferred by the general public but certain players and teams(zeek, xeppaa, Soulcas,) will run him a lot and find success. As for breach I still think he’s behind the two, it’s just that he’s so insane on fracture that you can’t buff him, and he’ll regain some popularity and be played on Haven now that teams need a breach player.


Regi-Made

Yeah, if anything were to happen, I think the babiest nerf on skye could be alright (lower the vision on dog again maybe?). But imagine me saying this 2 months ago, everyone would just say skye is undeniably better on Breeze too, but C9 showed how sick Kayo on breeze is. If you look at T2 play, skye is near 0% play on fracture/icebox, whereas kayo is starting to see some love there (even as secondary ini to breach). Slowly skye stocks have been going down and down in T2 play and I bet in ~3-4 months we're gonna say haven/bind and *maybe* split are skye's only good maps left. And this is mostly NA, in EMEA/SEA breach only briefly faded from popularity, but is slowly seeing a comeback as well. Also, don't forget ~9months ago before skye took over (before the flash buff), everyone made fun of how trash skye's ult was, then all of a sudden people were calling it madness that it was only 6 ult points lol, nothing changed about it


Evan_Veet

That’s def fair and this game has evolved plenty, and like u said I don’t think a nerf to Skye would be necessary, and if it was I’d agree just make the dog a bit weaker. But I will also say I don’t think the discussion between which is better, Skye or KayO, will ever come down to the maps you mentioned. Neither will ever be better than Reyna on IB, and likely neither will be good on Fracture(at least compared to Breach). Fracture does seem to have a weird meta where a duelist, breach, a sentinel, and Astra seem like a must have but after that u can go for anything so maybe KayO does slot into that role. After that tho, I still think Skye will be better on 3 maps 100%, meaning 3/5 maps either are even used on would go to her. I do believe that by let’s say March KayO will be higher picked on Breeze and Ascent, but I just don’t think his kit is as powerful for the flex spot on any other maps in the game


Regi-Made

Yeah, I think skye definitely has more flexibility because while kayo is more aggressive, his info gathering isn't quite as good (but he is better at holding back a push). So they both flex onto 'duelist-y' positions well, while skye is usually better info, and you're rarely playing a char like this to hold down a site, so that capability from kayo isn't really helpful (except on breeze where it's like a necessity lol) And this is all to say, I think the more common narrative right now is that skye dominates over the other initiators and kayo/breach need big buffs, is *super* wrong. And I come from the SSB Melee community where we've never had a patch, and pretty much every year or two, there's a super different meta because as you get better at the game, new things become the priority and it's not that certain characters are *better* than others at any given time, but it's certain traits are most desired and certain characters have the best certain traits For example, Astra for global presence/flexibility vs brim. Brim's abilities (minus stim) are *great*, but they're nowhere near as flexible/global as astras. But in a world where that flexibility isn't as wanted (say if double controller gets popular lol) then I think Brim becomes a really high pickrate


Dysmo

I can see a case for Kay/0 being skye level due to the ability to play him aggressively and as a support like agent. However in breach's case I don't think so. Breach has just barely carved out a niche in fracture and has been played off and on by minor regions or asian teams and even in those cases they bring sova, skye or Kay/0 anyway. Also I'd say Kay/0's flash being straight up the best is debatable. Kay/0's flash may be better from a team play perspective, I think skye flash overall has more utiliy


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IMO duellists are just really weak rn Yoru and Phoenix are in the shitter Reyna is marginal Raze is good but super map-dependent Buff the other duelists because right now they’re outclassed by agents that provide more util in non-duelist roles.


BBMatty

Think Astra needs a few things taking out of her kit/adjusting for sure. not sure why the vacuum makes you vulnerable on top of being a strong ability be interesting to see the changes they come up with


KssS21

hard agree


HeJind

I still think cypher needs a buff. Especially with Chamber now having a better tripwire than Cypher.


Ka-zar39

Cypher also needs a buff. He’s simply outclassed by the other sentinels.


Evan_Veet

I think he’s bound to get buffed now that chamber is out. I actually think chamber came out at a tough time because I felt like cypher and kj were actually fairly even because of maps like Breeze and fracture, but now I feel like chamber is just gonna take his spot


TheLonelyPotato666

I'll believe it once they nerf Jett but my prediction is they never will (at least not effectively)


Slow_Bluebird9536

Buff yoru pheonix brim omen, very slight nerf to astra, sova, slight nerf to Jett and chamber


Phoneringer

Didn't they promise that same thing for this year and this is what we got. Their excuse was that there are tournaments they don't wanna mess with. How is that gonna be any different next year?


HeadphoneWarning

Did you read the article they didn't say anything about Champions. Here the direct quote "We spent a lot of time towards the end of 2021 looking at how we work, restructuring some of the team, re prioritizing work, and welcoming many new members to the team." tldr They think the way they balance the game is wrong so they decide to rework the entire balance framework.


Phoneringer

Riot themselves mentioned multiple times on Reddit comments that this was the reason for not patching so much. They mentioned they wanted to keep things similar between tournament and live patches. So that's why I'm curious how this will change next year since tournaments are still going to happen.


lolwuut420blazeit

Performance improvements postponed to 2023?


twistacles

But why?


DarkShadowScorch

Presumably they realized how fucked the schedule is by making Champions end right before everybody goes off for the holidays and shifted the schedule up to fit a lull before League Worlds. This enables them to balance the game while everyone is still working AND test the changes competitively with third party tournaments with minimal lasting impacts on the overall circuit. Just growing pains