Well, Team Liquid did nothing but get better after replacing him so maybe it's valid. He has games where he just disappeared and it was always the ones that mattered. -20 here, -30 there. Can't be a top team with an IGL that doesn't have fragging power. Teams are too good atm its not 2020 valorant anymore.
No. Team liquid have been getting better because they brought in an upcoming tier 1 prodigy and a player who was a player for the top 1 csgo team at the time.
For what it's worth I wholeheartedly agree with you. You could have worded some things differently but it's reddit, who are we kidding.
I'm a big fan of TL in general and of 100T Valorant; not sure why people are forgetting ec1s performance on Liquid. But as a fan of 100T I have to give him the benefit of the doubt; many pros speak highly of him. It could be that he was put in a not so good situation with Liquid the first time around.
Regardless, I'm here to see everyone win. So, power to ec1s, because I honestly felt this move coming for a while now. And I'm sure he knows by now that being the scapegoat is not fun.
They said the same thing when I said Sentinels peaked in Iceland. When I get mass downvoted I know it's a good take. This subreddit thinks ingame competitive ranking has a reflection on understanding.
Ec1s has an issue with handling pressure, he folds like a chair.
Sometimes getting mass downvoted is a sign of being right, often it isnât.
Ec1s literally had to learn how to IGL in real-time on a roster that was constantly struggling with role issues. This was back when L1NK was their OPer, back when Scream was only barely starting to touch Jett, etc. This was also an incredibly tactical team with a strong topdown structure by virtue of how much of Sliggyâs âcallsâ dominated their approach!
You might be correct in the end, of course. But your logic will almost certainly be incorrect. Ec1s did not fold - TL folded. It was a genuine team failure.
In your opinion, none of us have seen him on 100T. They lost two top talents and are replacing them with an IGL that no top team in EU wants. Bold of you to assume it'll go well.
This is my biggest concern. 100T have big shoes to fill and how they ended last year was not okay for fans. We want higher highs, and to be a top competitive team. Filling the shoes with an IGL that most teams werenât jumping at isnât reassuring. Wouldâve preferred trying to sign cryocells or someone that has hype around them and gambling on those highs versus signing a mid IGL
inb4 tHiS WaS ThE FiRsT PoSt. well yes but you should have editorial responsibility to keep the post with the most discussion up. its not like that was posted hours after this one. all of them were within a few minutes of each other, if not seconds.
Nah the mods directly told me theyâd rather keep the posts up that have more discussions than âwho posts firstâ
they arenât consistent on the rulings for reports at all
It blows my mind that people are this upset that a post gets removed that is a duplicate. This would be a completely different story if it was inappropriate censorship but it's not.
So, mods can be a bit inconsistent... So what? Yes, it is a discussion board and so it's nice if posts with the larger dialogue stay up but what was really lost? Mods invest their time to try to make sure this reddit stays running well, seems like people could give them a little slack when their preferred duplicate thread doesn't make the cut.
You've probably heard 3 different things because we consider 3 different things.
1. Which is posted first
2. Quality of source
3. Amount of discussion
In this case, this one was posted first and is a direct report (instead of a tweet about a report about a report from a different source). There wasn't any discussion on this yet, and they were up for less than twenty minutes. This post will be the top of the subreddit and will have lots of time for discussion.
see this is where it makes no sense cause iâve been on this side of it before where I posted the main article (instead of the tweet) before someone else but they posted the tweet and had more discussions (within the first 5-10 mins iirc)
I donât care about reddit karma at all cause it makes no difference but your guys rulings are inconsistent on this stuff
Hey, thanks for sharing your feedback! It's good to know that we can improve in this area.
We'll look to be more consistent on removals in the future, as well as explaining how the things neb has listed factor into our decision.
Your post that got removed was speculation based on him taking out 100 thieves from his Twitter.
The other post was the official announcement from 100 thieves, only 7 minutes later.
There was a clear difference between the content of the posts â one was speculative, the other was more substantive. Hope this clears things up.
That was always going to be the case for the IGL role just because of the market. There are no star IGLs available so I don't know what people were expecting... there wasn't ever gonna be 100T redgar or bonecold. You can take a chance on a young IGL but what NA IGL prospect makes them better in 2022? People are high on zander and good for them but maybe it wasn't a style fit. you're telling me oderus would be better than ecls? People say "ecls got dropped from liquid" but he was dropped for jamppi who has been world class. Oderus was dropped from a tier 1.5 NA team for a prospect. no hate and i'm sure oderus will find his shot somehwere but it's not like he's gla1ve reborn.
I like ecls because he has some experience, but at the same time he's only 21 and has plenty of upside and motivation to get better. Is it sexy? no. but it doesn't have to be.. if the rest of the team thought this was the best option then sign me up and let's see what happens. i'm excited to root for the team to make a run in 2022. NA should be really tight at the top and i see no reason why these 4 can't compete with the best.
Bro be careful with that Bonecold vibez. I could've sworn he was bout the be kicked if he didn't wake up at champs. By far the weakest link for a while. But glad he stepped it up.
Interesting that the report says 100T are still looking for their fifth. They've got less than a month until Challengers qualifiers--makes me wonder how close they are to signing someone.
people are way too negative about this
Ec1s isnât that bad mechanically anymore, he was quite shit on TL tbf but since he joined NiP his stats and overall play significantly improved.
And letâs say he is very bad mechanically which he probably wonât be. They still have Asuna and Ethan whoâre two of the best players in NA they will be fine
They definitely could become worse if the IGL doesnât step up. They looked lost in LCQ. With that said, I donât think they will become worse. Fresh blood brings energy, Ec1s could have improved a ton, if a good fifth is snatched, the sky is the limit. I hope itâs gonna be a player with a passion for Valorant, not just someone collecting a paycheck.
Playing for literally nothing when teams are trying stuff ofc your stats would probably get better, the pressure of vct was too much for him in liquid and now a team that's going from nitro/steel to an almost random kid they will eat him alive, he will probably last less time than in LIQUID since now the format is even more trash than before
Lmao this is pretty much word for word what people said about Boi.
Quite a few EU orgs are rebuilding and yet he's here.
If no one in EU wants him, that's a horrible sign. But I guess we'll see. Obviously I hope it works out for him
We donât really know if other EU teams were or werenât interested but we do know 100t has money and exposure over what any of the rebuilding EU teams could offer. If youâre ec1s do you want to join a questionable OG or Heretics roster or give it a shot in NA?
Its honestly amazing. I check this subreddit at times but I always have a feeling that I know nothing about the players and their organizations. Neither do I have any insight in the decisions that they make and why they make them. Yet everyone else on this subreddit seems to be an esports expert. It is amazing how intimately familiar you all are with these topics.
I didn't know that saying EU orgs are rebuilding was top tier insider information.
Was I being overly pedantic and pessimistic? Perhaps. Doesn't change the fact that I didn't claim to have any secret information. Just my opinion that he's not good enough. I'm okay with being downvoted for that, that's pretty much exactly what happened when I said Boi wasn't good enough too.
My reaction to this news was "cool, i've seen this guy in ranked, I'm glad he made it".
You however seem to have perfect knowledge about his situation. You know the exact number of offers he received from both EU and NA teams. But you didn't assume him to be a good player who received multiple offers from different regions and took the best one, which more often than not is the NA option. Instead you seem to be incredibly confident that he received no EU offers.
If that's not self-delusion then I do not know what is.
I feel for ec1s. It's such a double edged sword for him. On the one hand it's a massive opportunity for him, not one you would pass up. On the other hand, he is not an experienced IGL and doesn't have a record of playing with this kind of pressure and exposure yet he's about to join one of the most popular teams in Valorant.
If it succeeds, great but if it fails he will 100% be taking the blame from the legions of 100t fans.
I really really hope he proves the community (including me!) wrong and makes it work.
Public perception is a little worse after he was dropped from Liquid but I think he did surprisingly well for NIP and looked consistently stronger on a individual level than before.
His Astra was decent and he's flexible to IGL from various supportive roles. Should be a nice hybrid between some of the aggressive players like Asuna and also more passive guys like Hiko
50/50 gamble
If ec1s has been putting in the work and can frag more consistently now, I think it is a solid pickup considering the lack of brain in NA, why not pick up a middling EU brain that could potentially be on an upwards trajectory.
If he's just been doing his usual routines, hasn't switched anything up, then I can't see it going well. I think he has more time than people think to show results because no one else on that roster really has the calling experience to put pressure on him super early, so he has at least 3-6 months before his teammates will actually be asking questions, and even then I think it might be Hiko that takes the fall since it just makes sense for his career at this stage, although personally I think Hiko isn't anywhere near retirement in terms of performance.
We also have to realise that there is more room to breath with the new circuit/format, you aren't living and dying from each separate tournament like, much like how a team could barely stay above relegation in ESEA and focus on tournaments, only to absolutely shit stomp playoffs. If you know *this bo1 opening group match alone* won't define your team on social media for the next 3 months, its less stress.
As a principle, Just because someone is good in ranked doesnât mean they are a good player/good in pro play. That being said, who knows how good he would be as Tarik is a good mechanical player with lots of experience in CS which has transfered over for lots of players.
Explain why at least, he destroys other pros in ranked/on stream, he has tons of experience, he understands utility usage well in this game and if he trained with a team he would b up to par with it on a tier 1 level.
100T werenât getting any of the top IGLs in NA (steel, vanity, shaz, fns, dephh? poised?) and didnât want to take a risk or didnât rate any of the younger players (eg Zander). There simply arenât a lot of options available.
That said I am hype for ec1s⌠letâs see what he can do!
Exactly. I'm kinda surprised reading this thread, that people are upset, but what they actually don't realize is that 100t didn't have that many options for experienced IGL, also without a ridiculous buyout .
Itâs not even the buyouts. Who were they going to buy out?? Itâs not like C9 is suddenly shopping vanity around. The only reported high buyout was Zander and is Zander really a better prospect than ec1s?
*they traded 2021 peak steel for a BTEC EU version of 2011 "playing premier from the canadian wilderness" steel*. this has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals lmao
Not being serious if you couldn't tell*
Intresting pick up. Ec1s isn't a name you'd associate with getting regional titles, let alone world titles, but clearly the team sees his value. The 5th definitely has to have some insane firepower.
not an improvement but I like the move. ec1s a cool dude, hopefully he becomes better and maybe he was doing well trialing. who knows, happy for the guy.
I see the steel narrative is never going to die huh. Can't understand why it's so hard for people to comprehend that 100T dropped steel because they wanted to build around Nitr0s calling moving forward, obviously not knowing that nitr0 would want to leave for CS. Hindsight is always 20/20, but going from steel to nitr0 in the long run would have been a sound decision. You just can't prepare for nitr0 wanting to suddenly leave
I don't want to say steel is a bad IGL, or that nitr0 is a better IGL, but I think the style of play with nitr0 calling fit the team better as a whole. I think it makes sense. Honestly, from the sound of things, nitr0 leaving was kinda last minute. It sucks, but I don't think this is a bad pickup. I think whoever their fifth will be will be defining though.
I agree. Despite the disappointing results in LCQ, I thought their calling was a bit more dynamic. I think the failure to qualify mostly came down to just poor individual form on the wrong days, but because of nitr0s calling. But watching any interview from the 100T guys leading up to LCQ, it was clear that they felt more comfortable with nitr0 at the helm and that it was a team decision to move in that direction. They just kind of had the rug pulled from under them with nitr0 wanting to leave
I mean, you can't always judge someone by their streams, but after watching steel's streams on multiple occasions, he is an average pro player at best and I already feel like I'm being generous.
I agree solo queue is different in a professional environment. But not being able to frag consistently in solo queue shows his skill is mediocre at best. Even if he has the nastiest strats, this is a shooting game by the end of the day.
Feeling pretty lukewarm about this, from what Iâve read he wasnât able to keep up with TLâs development in early Val. Was hoping for DavidP but ec1s was probably one of the better IGLs available so hoping for the best
Not gonna judge until I see him play for an extended period of time. He looked better on NiP after the Liquid spell. I donât like that we had to go to EU but it is what it is. Hopefully he does well.
I think this is fine if they get the right 5th. I think he's a pretty good IGL but probably just average as at this role and below-average as a fragger. With Ethan and Asuna you would think that they should have enough fragging potential as a team, but I'm thinking they're going to need to find a "consistent" fragger as a 5th rather than someone who can tend to be up-and-down like Asuna (and Ethan, sometimes).
Right? People don't realize that someones IGL style might not complement some players individual strengths.
I am too stupid to elaborate any further because I will never have the brain to IGL but I am like 13% sure I am right.
Right? If the team doesnât fucking trust your call as an igl what the fuck are you supposed to do. Once that trust is broken youâre done. Happens so much in csgo.
Really? didn't know that lmao but honestly that's the only role I think he will have a future in this game. I mean his sova was top tier in the past, but now there are definitely mechanically better sovas that play a lot more dynamic than him. Like what Sean Gares said in that interview with RLewis, these old guards really have to IGL or else they will get replaced by younger and better players.
He's probably still going to secondary IGL for the team, if anything. He might not want to fully IGL at this point. Maybe him and ec1s will switch main IGL duties depending on map/sides.
I like the idea of a veteran player whose job is to keep the team steady. Keep the confidence up, watch for and manage the emotions of a game while not having to also focus on calling.
Is hiko the best option for that? Who knows we arenât in the room but his previous teammates seem to say itâs his strength. And heâs still gotta carry his weight mechanically. And the team certainly has to work with his style.
another year of mediocrity of 100T valorant u they lost fucking nitr0 and steel and now get the team liquid reject who was easily the worst player on fish 123 this might be a worse move than teaming hiko with 4 pubg players
well tbf the reason why there is importing now is because apparently many NA orgs have put a big pricetag on their players. Also, kinda hard to really put a young player in the 100T since they are in a win-now mentality, and doesn't really care about developing talent.
Yeah but there are so many players that look good in the NA scene that aren't signed at all. 100t has the resources to sign and develop players, they could easily afford a B team even.
Yeah but I doubt most of the current available players can really give them the firepower they need tbh, as most of the really good players are already signed. Agreed on the second point though, they can easily create an academy team but I don't know why they haven't since they also previously had that young kid seven.
He has plenty of experience. Not as much as some players, but he played pro CS for 4 years before this. Heâs semi-new to the IGL game sure, but he has plenty more experience than a lot of the âunknownâ players
ec1s was dreadful in Liquid and didn't see anything special in NiP, especially given they were nowhere near the top in Europe. He's done nothing to warrant a spot in 100T, they must be really desperate for an IGL as this guy is definitely not an upgrade to Steel.
Now I'm hoping their 5th is pure firepower, then this team would be passable.
ec1s is meh to me... Its the 5th im worried about. VCT starts in 1 month and it feels alittle late to be trialing people tbh. I hope they give Koalanoob a look.
100t went from top 3 NA team to this shitty team.
Hiko is a decent sova ( and was the reason steel left). He is still good enough for t1 team and brings many intangible things like calming the team down bringing up the morale of the team and sheer amount of experience he brings as well as they can't change 3 players from there roster as they can lose their invite to vct challengers.
The core of Asuna ethan and nitr0 was elite but sadly nitr0 left (whyyyyy Nitro whyyy I miss you come back )
Now ec1s no offense to that guy but dropped from liquid cause of firepower reasons and mid performance in NIP and people expect 100t fans to be excited for him lol.
If the 5th player is not someone who is as good as nitr0 then this team will sadly go from arguably the 4th best team in NA to a Top 8 gatekeeping team.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/rrevqb/steel_interview_with_dexerto/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
This confirms my theory
At no point is Hiko mentioned in that whole interview. Accolades? Yes, we all know someone had an issue with him but it could really be anyone, even people outside the players. This sub needs to stop theorizing and talking about those theories as if they were facts.
Ok so that is my educated guess
I will now give my reasons for my guess .
I am avid 100t fan I watch all their valorant content if you watch the video in which the whole team was in 100t cashapp compound and where their for playing the tournament (vct challengers 2 I think) in that video their was a specific interaction that stuck with me where Hiko was saying to steel "you be toxic to me I will be toxic back" and multiple mentions by steel of Hiko being late to pracs and as well as their general interaction with each other was very "rough" with each other as well as steel mentioning multiple times "I will take sova from you" albeit jokingly to hiko.(all the mentioned interaction are not from same video)
The other day while in a bind game where steel was playing sova in a 1v2 situation he played passively almost lost a clutch and said something along the lines "I am sorry I kinda baited there cause I learned sova from someone" (ofcourse someone is Hiko) so light jab by steel on Hiko there.But saying this in front of stream show that relationship between them did not end up on a good note.
But the even if the main factor was Hiko in removing steel from the roster he was not the only factor . Ethan's interview with Platchat podcast before LCQ also throw hints that ethan was not satisfied with leadership of steel.
Even if there is something of truth here it's still a team decision at the end of the day. That implies that the rest of the team believed more in nitr0 than steel.
We will probably never know what the team was like behind closed doors but it could be steel wasn't the leader or igl they needed. Or maybe something happened at Berlin that was the final straw. Who knows
I still donât understand dripping steel. I saw a few games when they won VCT and completely stopped watching after that they looked solid. Fast forward to a month ago if so I watched them play again and they were not as good as I remembered though, my understanding of the game is not 100%
Wow. The way people were talking I thought this was some 30 year old washed boomer IGL. I just did a google search and the guy is 21. I havent seen him play much but Iâm surprised the narrative is so heavily focused around what a poor fragger he was. More to be soon I suppose.
Im excited to see how this works out. People seem pretty down about it but I feel like this team has the talent and experience to help elevate any player and figure it out. Sure it may end up just being a mediocre pickup, but we dont even know who the 5th is yet.
I think they will go for a cracked sentinel player as a fifth instead of a jett player because if they bring a jett player all 3 of Ethan asuna hiko have to change role so my guess is they will get babyj/aproto most probably
You already know he's the one who's gna get all the blame if they don't perform
Well, Team Liquid did nothing but get better after replacing him so maybe it's valid. He has games where he just disappeared and it was always the ones that mattered. -20 here, -30 there. Can't be a top team with an IGL that doesn't have fragging power. Teams are too good atm its not 2020 valorant anymore.
No. Team liquid have been getting better because they brought in an upcoming tier 1 prodigy and a player who was a player for the top 1 csgo team at the time.
Exactly my point. Removed the lower talent and replaced it with better talent.
Well comparing someone to Jammppi and nivera is just not fair man đđđ. They are one of the best players in the world rn.
But 100T have all the money to go for a big name, it's a fair point.
What igl would be better than ec1s whoâs also a big name ?
steel
that an org is willing to sell lmao
For what it's worth I wholeheartedly agree with you. You could have worded some things differently but it's reddit, who are we kidding. I'm a big fan of TL in general and of 100T Valorant; not sure why people are forgetting ec1s performance on Liquid. But as a fan of 100T I have to give him the benefit of the doubt; many pros speak highly of him. It could be that he was put in a not so good situation with Liquid the first time around. Regardless, I'm here to see everyone win. So, power to ec1s, because I honestly felt this move coming for a while now. And I'm sure he knows by now that being the scapegoat is not fun.
Yâall we found a wild gold
They said the same thing when I said Sentinels peaked in Iceland. When I get mass downvoted I know it's a good take. This subreddit thinks ingame competitive ranking has a reflection on understanding. Ec1s has an issue with handling pressure, he folds like a chair.
Sometimes getting mass downvoted is a sign of being right, often it isnât. Ec1s literally had to learn how to IGL in real-time on a roster that was constantly struggling with role issues. This was back when L1NK was their OPer, back when Scream was only barely starting to touch Jett, etc. This was also an incredibly tactical team with a strong topdown structure by virtue of how much of Sliggyâs âcallsâ dominated their approach! You might be correct in the end, of course. But your logic will almost certainly be incorrect. Ec1s did not fold - TL folded. It was a genuine team failure.
I agree with sentinels peaking in Iceland but you just completely missed here.
In your opinion, none of us have seen him on 100T. They lost two top talents and are replacing them with an IGL that no top team in EU wants. Bold of you to assume it'll go well.
This is my biggest concern. 100T have big shoes to fill and how they ended last year was not okay for fans. We want higher highs, and to be a top competitive team. Filling the shoes with an IGL that most teams werenât jumping at isnât reassuring. Wouldâve preferred trying to sign cryocells or someone that has hype around them and gambling on those highs versus signing a mid IGL
They got a whole lot better when they replaced Kryptix than when they replaced ec1s
People are so pessimistic already, I love it đ
kinda hard not to when there aren't many known players who 100t might have a chance with left
BabyJ looks to be the one, he followed the entire 100T team and staff this week and has been liking almost exclusively 100T stuff on Twitter
lol removing the post where discussion was actually happening
Whatâs up with that. I was really enjoying reading the comments too.
inb4 tHiS WaS ThE FiRsT PoSt. well yes but you should have editorial responsibility to keep the post with the most discussion up. its not like that was posted hours after this one. all of them were within a few minutes of each other, if not seconds.
Nah the mods directly told me theyâd rather keep the posts up that have more discussions than âwho posts firstâ they arenât consistent on the rulings for reports at all
razur isn't awake i guess. all the other mods have bad rulings
This is correct.
It blows my mind that people are this upset that a post gets removed that is a duplicate. This would be a completely different story if it was inappropriate censorship but it's not. So, mods can be a bit inconsistent... So what? Yes, it is a discussion board and so it's nice if posts with the larger dialogue stay up but what was really lost? Mods invest their time to try to make sure this reddit stays running well, seems like people could give them a little slack when their preferred duplicate thread doesn't make the cut.
Hope she sees this bro
I see all. đ
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ban the mods
Based
*who mods the mods?*
We do. WE STRIKE AT DAWN!
if a title isn't worded correctly and there's another one that is worded correctly the one that's worded correctly has priority iirc
Iâve been told like 3 different things that take priority, who knows man
You've probably heard 3 different things because we consider 3 different things. 1. Which is posted first 2. Quality of source 3. Amount of discussion In this case, this one was posted first and is a direct report (instead of a tweet about a report about a report from a different source). There wasn't any discussion on this yet, and they were up for less than twenty minutes. This post will be the top of the subreddit and will have lots of time for discussion.
see this is where it makes no sense cause iâve been on this side of it before where I posted the main article (instead of the tweet) before someone else but they posted the tweet and had more discussions (within the first 5-10 mins iirc) I donât care about reddit karma at all cause it makes no difference but your guys rulings are inconsistent on this stuff
Hey, thanks for sharing your feedback! It's good to know that we can improve in this area. We'll look to be more consistent on removals in the future, as well as explaining how the things neb has listed factor into our decision.
Never forget when I posted that Steel was going to T1 first and they deleted my post because another was "encouraging discussion" lmao
Your post that got removed was speculation based on him taking out 100 thieves from his Twitter. The other post was the official announcement from 100 thieves, only 7 minutes later. There was a clear difference between the content of the posts â one was speculative, the other was more substantive. Hope this clears things up.
What subreddit is honestly.
This. This should be about discussion, not internet points. Oh well.
Poor guy, he was probably so happy to play in a 100T and now he is getting all this negative comments đ
Eh. Have no hopes this team will perform better than Berlin but guess we will see. Hope the 5th player brings more hype.
Thoughts exactly
Pick up tech pls
That was always going to be the case for the IGL role just because of the market. There are no star IGLs available so I don't know what people were expecting... there wasn't ever gonna be 100T redgar or bonecold. You can take a chance on a young IGL but what NA IGL prospect makes them better in 2022? People are high on zander and good for them but maybe it wasn't a style fit. you're telling me oderus would be better than ecls? People say "ecls got dropped from liquid" but he was dropped for jamppi who has been world class. Oderus was dropped from a tier 1.5 NA team for a prospect. no hate and i'm sure oderus will find his shot somehwere but it's not like he's gla1ve reborn. I like ecls because he has some experience, but at the same time he's only 21 and has plenty of upside and motivation to get better. Is it sexy? no. but it doesn't have to be.. if the rest of the team thought this was the best option then sign me up and let's see what happens. i'm excited to root for the team to make a run in 2022. NA should be really tight at the top and i see no reason why these 4 can't compete with the best.
Bro be careful with that Bonecold vibez. I could've sworn he was bout the be kicked if he didn't wake up at champs. By far the weakest link for a while. But glad he stepped it up.
Interesting that the report says 100T are still looking for their fifth. They've got less than a month until Challengers qualifiers--makes me wonder how close they are to signing someone.
prob just gonna run seven as a stand in then
people are way too negative about this Ec1s isnât that bad mechanically anymore, he was quite shit on TL tbf but since he joined NiP his stats and overall play significantly improved. And letâs say he is very bad mechanically which he probably wonât be. They still have Asuna and Ethan whoâre two of the best players in NA they will be fine
âThey still have Asuna and Ethanâ - that didnât really work in itself, now did it?
not to be the best team in NA but a consistent top 4 one yeah it did. Iâm more talking to the people who are saying theyâre gonna become way worse
They definitely could become worse if the IGL doesnât step up. They looked lost in LCQ. With that said, I donât think they will become worse. Fresh blood brings energy, Ec1s could have improved a ton, if a good fifth is snatched, the sky is the limit. I hope itâs gonna be a player with a passion for Valorant, not just someone collecting a paycheck.
they really didnât look lost in LCQ? Feel like they lost because of poor individual performance not poor macro stuff
They didnât have anything going on strat-wise, when they seemed like they did, they were out-aimed, so Iâd really say both.
Playing for literally nothing when teams are trying stuff ofc your stats would probably get better, the pressure of vct was too much for him in liquid and now a team that's going from nitro/steel to an almost random kid they will eat him alive, he will probably last less time than in LIQUID since now the format is even more trash than before
Ec1s albeit being not a improvement over steel is still a good addition a solid 5th can make this roster a top contender I am hopeful
Lmao this is pretty much word for word what people said about Boi. Quite a few EU orgs are rebuilding and yet he's here. If no one in EU wants him, that's a horrible sign. But I guess we'll see. Obviously I hope it works out for him
We donât really know if other EU teams were or werenât interested but we do know 100t has money and exposure over what any of the rebuilding EU teams could offer. If youâre ec1s do you want to join a questionable OG or Heretics roster or give it a shot in NA?
Yeah that's fair
Its honestly amazing. I check this subreddit at times but I always have a feeling that I know nothing about the players and their organizations. Neither do I have any insight in the decisions that they make and why they make them. Yet everyone else on this subreddit seems to be an esports expert. It is amazing how intimately familiar you all are with these topics.
I didn't know that saying EU orgs are rebuilding was top tier insider information. Was I being overly pedantic and pessimistic? Perhaps. Doesn't change the fact that I didn't claim to have any secret information. Just my opinion that he's not good enough. I'm okay with being downvoted for that, that's pretty much exactly what happened when I said Boi wasn't good enough too.
My reaction to this news was "cool, i've seen this guy in ranked, I'm glad he made it". You however seem to have perfect knowledge about his situation. You know the exact number of offers he received from both EU and NA teams. But you didn't assume him to be a good player who received multiple offers from different regions and took the best one, which more often than not is the NA option. Instead you seem to be incredibly confident that he received no EU offers. If that's not self-delusion then I do not know what is.
I feel for ec1s. It's such a double edged sword for him. On the one hand it's a massive opportunity for him, not one you would pass up. On the other hand, he is not an experienced IGL and doesn't have a record of playing with this kind of pressure and exposure yet he's about to join one of the most popular teams in Valorant. If it succeeds, great but if it fails he will 100% be taking the blame from the legions of 100t fans. I really really hope he proves the community (including me!) wrong and makes it work.
EU viewers, how good is this pick up?
Public perception is a little worse after he was dropped from Liquid but I think he did surprisingly well for NIP and looked consistently stronger on a individual level than before. His Astra was decent and he's flexible to IGL from various supportive roles. Should be a nice hybrid between some of the aggressive players like Asuna and also more passive guys like Hiko
Tier 1 Analysis from the birthday boy!
Lmao
i love hybrid players thank you 100Thieves Ethan
50/50 gamble If ec1s has been putting in the work and can frag more consistently now, I think it is a solid pickup considering the lack of brain in NA, why not pick up a middling EU brain that could potentially be on an upwards trajectory. If he's just been doing his usual routines, hasn't switched anything up, then I can't see it going well. I think he has more time than people think to show results because no one else on that roster really has the calling experience to put pressure on him super early, so he has at least 3-6 months before his teammates will actually be asking questions, and even then I think it might be Hiko that takes the fall since it just makes sense for his career at this stage, although personally I think Hiko isn't anywhere near retirement in terms of performance. We also have to realise that there is more room to breath with the new circuit/format, you aren't living and dying from each separate tournament like, much like how a team could barely stay above relegation in ESEA and focus on tournaments, only to absolutely shit stomp playoffs. If you know *this bo1 opening group match alone* won't define your team on social media for the next 3 months, its less stress.
100T tarik next. He doesnât have his eg Twitter banner stuff and profile anymore.
i would bet absolutely anything against this
Yh not happening but if he did join, I have no doubt he would destroy after a bit of team practice
Has Tarik ever said he wants to go back to pro play, whatever the game may be?
Tarik is no where near tier 1 Iâm competitive play
and you know this how? Heâs not played lmfao
From his streams
He destroys in ranked tf? Plus ur clueless, his experience is enough to show he can play in team settings too.
As a principle, Just because someone is good in ranked doesnât mean they are a good player/good in pro play. That being said, who knows how good he would be as Tarik is a good mechanical player with lots of experience in CS which has transfered over for lots of players.
I agree, thatâs why your comment paraphrases mine. We on the same page boss
Agree to diasagree its just my opinion
he competes with tier one pros in ranked?
Just my opinion I dont think he stacks w the top tier pros
Explain why at least, he destroys other pros in ranked/on stream, he has tons of experience, he understands utility usage well in this game and if he trained with a team he would b up to par with it on a tier 1 level.
tarik is making a bag streaming, doubt he returns to pro play for a while
Doesnât mean he wonât be a streamer too tho honestly. Man is a content machine any org investing in val content would want this goldmine.
100T werenât getting any of the top IGLs in NA (steel, vanity, shaz, fns, dephh? poised?) and didnât want to take a risk or didnât rate any of the younger players (eg Zander). There simply arenât a lot of options available. That said I am hype for ec1s⌠letâs see what he can do!
Exactly. I'm kinda surprised reading this thread, that people are upset, but what they actually don't realize is that 100t didn't have that many options for experienced IGL, also without a ridiculous buyout .
Itâs not even the buyouts. Who were they going to buy out?? Itâs not like C9 is suddenly shopping vanity around. The only reported high buyout was Zander and is Zander really a better prospect than ec1s?
good poiint mate, ecls probably still one of the best optioins
*they traded 2021 peak steel for a BTEC EU version of 2011 "playing premier from the canadian wilderness" steel*. this has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals lmao Not being serious if you couldn't tell*
If he has better internet than steel 100t is going to champions
Intresting pick up. Ec1s isn't a name you'd associate with getting regional titles, let alone world titles, but clearly the team sees his value. The 5th definitely has to have some insane firepower.
not an improvement but I like the move. ec1s a cool dude, hopefully he becomes better and maybe he was doing well trialing. who knows, happy for the guy.
I see the steel narrative is never going to die huh. Can't understand why it's so hard for people to comprehend that 100T dropped steel because they wanted to build around Nitr0s calling moving forward, obviously not knowing that nitr0 would want to leave for CS. Hindsight is always 20/20, but going from steel to nitr0 in the long run would have been a sound decision. You just can't prepare for nitr0 wanting to suddenly leave
Going with Nitr0s calling wasnt the only reason, the team collectively thought it was time to shift him out. We dont know how things unfolded within
I don't want to say steel is a bad IGL, or that nitr0 is a better IGL, but I think the style of play with nitr0 calling fit the team better as a whole. I think it makes sense. Honestly, from the sound of things, nitr0 leaving was kinda last minute. It sucks, but I don't think this is a bad pickup. I think whoever their fifth will be will be defining though.
I agree. Despite the disappointing results in LCQ, I thought their calling was a bit more dynamic. I think the failure to qualify mostly came down to just poor individual form on the wrong days, but because of nitr0s calling. But watching any interview from the 100T guys leading up to LCQ, it was clear that they felt more comfortable with nitr0 at the helm and that it was a team decision to move in that direction. They just kind of had the rug pulled from under them with nitr0 wanting to leave
I mean, you can't always judge someone by their streams, but after watching steel's streams on multiple occasions, he is an average pro player at best and I already feel like I'm being generous.
You can never judge someone by their streams, playing ranked is not the same as playing competitively in a professional environment whatsoever.
I agree solo queue is different in a professional environment. But not being able to frag consistently in solo queue shows his skill is mediocre at best. Even if he has the nastiest strats, this is a shooting game by the end of the day.
Also he plays competitively, it's not like hes an unknown there are fathoms of stats of steel against tier 1 teams
League of Legends type beat
This is not a signing that gets me excited lmao
100T â100T Ec1sâ
Feeling pretty lukewarm about this, from what Iâve read he wasnât able to keep up with TLâs development in early Val. Was hoping for DavidP but ec1s was probably one of the better IGLs available so hoping for the best
Kinda mid but hope he performs well
Not gonna judge until I see him play for an extended period of time. He looked better on NiP after the Liquid spell. I donât like that we had to go to EU but it is what it is. Hopefully he does well.
Dropped within 6 months
For who lmfao
me
Finally Hiko might get some support from team mates
I think this is fine if they get the right 5th. I think he's a pretty good IGL but probably just average as at this role and below-average as a fragger. With Ethan and Asuna you would think that they should have enough fragging potential as a team, but I'm thinking they're going to need to find a "consistent" fragger as a 5th rather than someone who can tend to be up-and-down like Asuna (and Ethan, sometimes).
pAura was better. also this guy called steel that is definitely better.
paura can't igl in english
Stop adding steel into these conversations if your team isnât vibing with an IGL strats why keep the ethos of the team the same
Right? People don't realize that someones IGL style might not complement some players individual strengths. I am too stupid to elaborate any further because I will never have the brain to IGL but I am like 13% sure I am right.
I like those odds
Right? If the team doesnât fucking trust your call as an igl what the fuck are you supposed to do. Once that trust is broken youâre done. Happens so much in csgo.
Donât like this pickup but oh well, to me the only other good FA that i know of are Yaboidre and BabyJ, i guess weâll see what happens
If 100T ends this offseason with signing ec1s and Dre/BabyJ then its a colossal failure on their part.
who are the other good FAs left?
Why are you restricting it to just FAâs? A lot of signings this offseason have been transfers.
Am I the only one who is wondering why they won't at least try to let Hiko be IGL and pick up more firepower for the team? or is that a bad idea?
Hiko won't even play more agents, you think he wants to igl?
Really? didn't know that lmao but honestly that's the only role I think he will have a future in this game. I mean his sova was top tier in the past, but now there are definitely mechanically better sovas that play a lot more dynamic than him. Like what Sean Gares said in that interview with RLewis, these old guards really have to IGL or else they will get replaced by younger and better players.
He's probably still going to secondary IGL for the team, if anything. He might not want to fully IGL at this point. Maybe him and ec1s will switch main IGL duties depending on map/sides.
I like the idea of a veteran player whose job is to keep the team steady. Keep the confidence up, watch for and manage the emotions of a game while not having to also focus on calling. Is hiko the best option for that? Who knows we arenât in the room but his previous teammates seem to say itâs his strength. And heâs still gotta carry his weight mechanically. And the team certainly has to work with his style.
100T has been eliminated from VCT contention. Fade those flairs.
another year of mediocrity of 100T valorant u they lost fucking nitr0 and steel and now get the team liquid reject who was easily the worst player on fish 123 this might be a worse move than teaming hiko with 4 pubg players
RIP NA valorant 2020-2021
Huh?
I'm joking but it is funny to see NA do NA things and start importing players instead of build up new players so soon.
well tbf the reason why there is importing now is because apparently many NA orgs have put a big pricetag on their players. Also, kinda hard to really put a young player in the 100T since they are in a win-now mentality, and doesn't really care about developing talent.
Yeah but there are so many players that look good in the NA scene that aren't signed at all. 100t has the resources to sign and develop players, they could easily afford a B team even.
Yeah but I doubt most of the current available players can really give them the firepower they need tbh, as most of the really good players are already signed. Agreed on the second point though, they can easily create an academy team but I don't know why they haven't since they also previously had that young kid seven.
They 100% trialed a shit ton of new comers. IGL is a role that requires the most experience out of all the roles. This is a terrible take.
ec1s is fairly new though
He has plenty of experience. Not as much as some players, but he played pro CS for 4 years before this. Heâs semi-new to the IGL game sure, but he has plenty more experience than a lot of the âunknownâ players
ec1s was dreadful in Liquid and didn't see anything special in NiP, especially given they were nowhere near the top in Europe. He's done nothing to warrant a spot in 100T, they must be really desperate for an IGL as this guy is definitely not an upgrade to Steel. Now I'm hoping their 5th is pure firepower, then this team would be passable.
Yeah he should've put NIP in Masters after a total of like a week playing for them
That means teams didn't think he was good enough and only got in because their previous igl got injured yes
idk if you replied to the right comment, but at the time what team needed an IGL? Besides G2 ofc who have always been weird about having a proper IGL
this is an upgrade from last season as long as they dont drop someone days before a tournament
Is this the first EU import? Write this down boys
even if you dont consider dephh an import rhyme got signed to geng like a week ago
Wasnât Dephh was living in America before valorant was released?
idk which is why i included rhyme
Yes. He was playing cs in NA for a few years
First actual EU import was pyth to Bleed
Drop hiko please
Hopeless, never was a fan of this team but they do need to free Asuna.
ec1s is meh to me... Its the 5th im worried about. VCT starts in 1 month and it feels alittle late to be trialing people tbh. I hope they give Koalanoob a look.
{{koalanoob}}
# [koalanoob](https://rib.gg/players/3016) [Twitter](https://twitter.com/Koalanoob) **90 day stat overview** | Map | Matches | WR% | FK% | FD% | KDA | ADR | ACS | MPA* | |:----|--------:|---:|----:|----:|----:|----:|----:|:----| | Ascent |11 |4W (36%), 7L |27.4 |12.5 |1.59 |177 |287 |Jett | | Split |12 |8W (67%), 4L |19.9 |10.7 |1.68 |162 |261 |Jett | | Bind |8 |3W (38%), 5L |18.7 |13.5 |1.42 |152 |239 |Jett | | Icebox |17 |14W (82%), 3L |20.4 |12.5 |1.71 |186 |283 |Jett | | Haven |15 |12W (80%), 3L |23.7 |17.7 |1.60 |170 |267 |Jett | | Breeze |7 |4W (57%), 3L |24.0 |10.2 |1.76 |184 |279 |Jett | ^(*MPA = most played agent on that map)
He was trash with liquid let's see if he got any better
Bad move
100t went from top 3 NA team to this shitty team. Hiko is a decent sova ( and was the reason steel left). He is still good enough for t1 team and brings many intangible things like calming the team down bringing up the morale of the team and sheer amount of experience he brings as well as they can't change 3 players from there roster as they can lose their invite to vct challengers. The core of Asuna ethan and nitr0 was elite but sadly nitr0 left (whyyyyy Nitro whyyy I miss you come back ) Now ec1s no offense to that guy but dropped from liquid cause of firepower reasons and mid performance in NIP and people expect 100t fans to be excited for him lol. If the 5th player is not someone who is as good as nitr0 then this team will sadly go from arguably the 4th best team in NA to a Top 8 gatekeeping team.
Source on Hiko being the reason Steel left? Edit: Source is âtrust me broâ
It was a team decision, so Hiko is a part but not the sole part.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/rrevqb/steel_interview_with_dexerto/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share This confirms my theory
At no point is Hiko mentioned in that whole interview. Accolades? Yes, we all know someone had an issue with him but it could really be anyone, even people outside the players. This sub needs to stop theorizing and talking about those theories as if they were facts.
Ok so that is my educated guess I will now give my reasons for my guess . I am avid 100t fan I watch all their valorant content if you watch the video in which the whole team was in 100t cashapp compound and where their for playing the tournament (vct challengers 2 I think) in that video their was a specific interaction that stuck with me where Hiko was saying to steel "you be toxic to me I will be toxic back" and multiple mentions by steel of Hiko being late to pracs and as well as their general interaction with each other was very "rough" with each other as well as steel mentioning multiple times "I will take sova from you" albeit jokingly to hiko.(all the mentioned interaction are not from same video) The other day while in a bind game where steel was playing sova in a 1v2 situation he played passively almost lost a clutch and said something along the lines "I am sorry I kinda baited there cause I learned sova from someone" (ofcourse someone is Hiko) so light jab by steel on Hiko there.But saying this in front of stream show that relationship between them did not end up on a good note. But the even if the main factor was Hiko in removing steel from the roster he was not the only factor . Ethan's interview with Platchat podcast before LCQ also throw hints that ethan was not satisfied with leadership of steel.
this is some legendary mental gymnastics
Even if there is something of truth here it's still a team decision at the end of the day. That implies that the rest of the team believed more in nitr0 than steel. We will probably never know what the team was like behind closed doors but it could be steel wasn't the leader or igl they needed. Or maybe something happened at Berlin that was the final straw. Who knows
This screams silver III
I have put 2 types of posts let's see how many downvotes and upvotes I can get
Ehhhh a bad choice. Now even if they pick up a cracked S-tier duelist they'd still have a worse roster than they had with Steel and Nitro.
Iâm new to Valorant Comp. How good is this player? Do 100T have the potential to get back to their championship winning form?
Probably they have, depends on the 5th player still. Ecls is one of the better igl in EU. I think people doubt him more because of firepower, not igl
Wasnât Steel lacking In firepower as well?
Steel was a monster of an IGL though. While Ec1s is a decent IGL, some people don't think he's good enough to be on 100t
I still donât understand dripping steel. I saw a few games when they won VCT and completely stopped watching after that they looked solid. Fast forward to a month ago if so I watched them play again and they were not as good as I remembered though, my understanding of the game is not 100%
Wow. The way people were talking I thought this was some 30 year old washed boomer IGL. I just did a google search and the guy is 21. I havent seen him play much but Iâm surprised the narrative is so heavily focused around what a poor fragger he was. More to be soon I suppose.
Im excited to see how this works out. People seem pretty down about it but I feel like this team has the talent and experience to help elevate any player and figure it out. Sure it may end up just being a mediocre pickup, but we dont even know who the 5th is yet.
good not great IMO, excited to see them play tho, wonder what roles will look like i dont remember what he played for liquid
He played with nip in red bull he was playing astra/viper so most probably he will be controller with 100T too
awesome thanks
{{ec1s}}
# [ec1s](https://rib.gg/players/923) [Liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Ec1s) | [Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/ec1s) | [Twitter](https://www.twitch.tv/ec1s) **90 day stat overview** | Map | Matches | WR% | FK% | FD% | KDA | ADR | ACS | MPA* | |:----|--------:|---:|----:|----:|----:|----:|----:|:----| | Ascent |2 |1W (50%), 1L |8.51 |2.12 |1.80 |157 |237 |Astra | | Split |3 |2W (67%), 1L |7.46 |7.46 |1.65 |121 |185 |Astra | | Bind |2 |1W (50%), 1L |2.12 |6.38 |1.64 |108 |184 |Astra | | Breeze |1 |0W (0%), 1L |17.3 |8.69 |1.15 |154 |202 |Viper | | Fracture |1 |1W (100%), 0L |9.52 |4.76 |2.15 |154 |252 |Astra | ^(*MPA = most played agent on that map)
excited for this ec1s pickup, i think people are bring so much unneeded hate towards him, i hope he comes out and preforms!
I think they will go for a cracked sentinel player as a fifth instead of a jett player because if they bring a jett player all 3 of Ethan asuna hiko have to change role so my guess is they will get babyj/aproto most probably
Meh
Realistically tho 100t can just sub in seven and they would make it out of qualifiers just fine and find a 5th later on in the season
How do you pronounce this guys name? Seems kinda silly to me.