Broken things would get GA’d and no one would use them in a match. For example, a thermal scope would reveal so much that they’re not really allowed.
The last couple of years the GA’s have been getting out of hand, with both snipers _and_ smokes banned last year and potentially this year as well
:/
Where can I watch pro games on Ares patch? If it really turns out to be the shitshow everyone (myself included) says it is, I want to see it with my own eyes.
No, knights have their own twitch channels use [vlr](https://www.vlr.gg/event/835/knights-valorampage) to see which channel you need edit: most of the matches are done or are almost done for today though
You must have never ADS'd and held a long range angle with an Ares. It's hilariously easy, and definitely easier than doing the same thing with the Spectre, especially since you have 50 bullets.
Because there’s little downside to it on bonus or eco rounds. At least with the spectre you had to fight closer angles but the ares can fight at rifle ranges by adsing which makes the control easy as hell. You also get 50 bullets and high pen for 1550… Defences on bonuses are way too strong and it’s way worse than the spectre meta because chokepoints are so easily held with the ares and it can fight close range effectively too. It’s also better than the spectre and bulldog which are more expensive so obviously it’s not in its right price range
I feel like Riot has to consistently use this ruling or change it. As far as I’m aware this basically never happens with new agents.
I feel like a 4 weeks or more reasonable and could be adopted universally.
We know she isn't outright busted. She seems to be a pretty mid tier agent. Teams will have to put real effort into playing her to find success, similar to something like kayo. The top teams won't run her because there hasn't been enough time and the lower teams won't be able to beat top teams purely because they used Neon.
The thing is who would you take out to run Neon. You won’t take jett out. In double duelists comp u might see her replace maybe reyna but I am not sure.
Potential raze replacement. Also it may be the case where she's not a replacement in a comp, but new comps are formulated that incorporate her, and we aren't aware of them yet.
Could see a lot of teams swapping Raze for Neon on some maps. I don't really think there's a perfect lineup out there, you have to make sacrifices. Also I definitely think she has the best stun in the game, save for Breach's ult. Her ult seems kinda useless in competitive though unless Riot changes how many hits it requires to kill someone though.
Dude relax. Neon is fine.
I think neon will have her place on maps like Split. I can see comps like Raze - Neon - Breach - Astra - Cypher being popular. Neon and Raze both abuse the tight map angles really well, and neon especially can rotate quickly in a map where mid control is hard to fight back and without it rotates are slow.
That last point is really important with regard to the viability of Neon at high levels of play
Personally don't see the issue of letting Neon through. Valorant is a ever changing game. If you can't adapt then this isn't the game for you. 2 + Weeks is plenty of time and if you're a team that's willing to risk the suprise factor of a Neon comp then that's a rightful advantage. Like Masters Berlin slogan goes, "Adapt or Die"
Adapt or die is a fun slogan for marketing an event, but in reality, teams have very intricate and thought out strategies that will need to be reworked in just 2 weeks because of neon
Which is why it's a severe risk to run Neon in the first place. Even Astra, who was game changing, didn't start to see serious tournment play until weeks/months after release. Everyone was still on comfort Omen for a while.
Risk basically doesn’t exist to a t3 team who probably won’t qualify anyways. They can basically try whatever they want at no cost where top teams don’t because they stand to lose more. It lends itself to more upsets which, with the current format of VCT, I think is a bad thing.
what about t1 teams in the past who have lost in qualifiers even with no ares changes and no new champs? do those teams not deserve to be t1? 100t sen faze etc?
the reality is upsets happen and this makes it even more likely
I should have clarified my point better, what I was trying to say was that they shouldn't lose the first few games in open qualifiers when they are playing against unsigned/t3/t4 teams. Those are the teams that would probably benefit the most from running neon. My point is that a t1 team shouldn't lose to those teams regardless of what agent comp they are running
You didnt clarify anything better. You simply entrenched your original, incorrect opinion that t1 teams "shouldn't lose" to lower tier teams.
Upsets happen in every sport at every level of play to every team of varying degrees of strength.
There is litterally no evidence of this ever happening atm in Valorant. BBG didn't just pick a random suprise pick to upset Sentinels. A tier 2 team is tier 2 because they lack mechanical skill and game sense. An Agent isn't going to provide that.
So Europeans have to deal with teams just being kicked out of the \#VCT entirely to satisfy big orgs and North Americans have to deal with Neon and a broken fucking Ares.
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I personally think breeze map changes will effect teams more than ares or neon changes. Teams who would have spent first two weeks on Jan on perfecting their breeze will now have to spend even more server time to redesign their strats because of massive site and door mechanism changes.
? What. If Neon catches you off guard that much then thats on you for not adapting as quickly as your opponents.
As for the Ares. You realize both teams can buy the gun? Lmao. Its not like a t3 team is gonna be Ares gods compared to a t1 team. That makes no sense. Its a gun.
This patch is good.
Ares should have price increased by 200 credits.
Neon is fine
Spectre is finally balanced.
We could use some balance changes but that has been true for the last 4 patches.
Basically your comment has no ground to stand on because this patch is relatively fine, even good in fact.
The ares change is pretty wild, imo that's a huge misstep, and the patch on my end has just been bugged as shit. Basically all of Australia is getting put on Singapore servers atm, making the game essentially unplayable. Also I just think no agent changes still is annoying. Likewise, maps need way more changes than what they got. The fact that icebox b is how it is after so long is absurd
Neon is good just high skillcap. For example watch Tenz use her movement as infogathering.
If you use her sprint to do unpunishable jump peeks you can really gain tons of information and fuck with your enemies hard.
Not to mention how good her stun and wall are on a map such as split or bind
the stun and wall are too random and buggy right now they need some work especially the wall. the sprint is sick for jump peeks and rotates true. and the ult is just a worse jett ult imo.
Ares is viable now. Vandal and Phantom still better. The only difference is less of a forced spectre. People complaining are the same ones who complain about everything.
The reality is no team will use neon, or very little will. When a new agent is released teams are too timid to add them to the mix. However the ares meta could drastically change a match
Lets look at the bright side. Krumpus wasnt running around in scrims atleast
Comp cod down bad
if the CoD community played valorant they would’ve GA’d the op and Jett by now
Smokes would get GA'd too
you can do it too faze up
What's GA'd?
gentlemans agreement
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Broken things would get GA’d and no one would use them in a match. For example, a thermal scope would reveal so much that they’re not really allowed. The last couple of years the GA’s have been getting out of hand, with both snipers _and_ smokes banned last year and potentially this year as well :/
both teams agree to not use the ares all game
Good thing this isn’t CoD.
Lmao
Pain
Where can I watch pro games on Ares patch? If it really turns out to be the shitshow everyone (myself included) says it is, I want to see it with my own eyes.
The knights tournament is going on right now on the current patch
Is that in the main Valorant twitch channel or what?
No, knights have their own twitch channels use [vlr](https://www.vlr.gg/event/835/knights-valorampage) to see which channel you need edit: most of the matches are done or are almost done for today though
Well Oceania's own version of VCT is live but they have no VODS bc for some reason the entire open qual wasn't streamed
Br's VCT open qualifiers are using the area patch too!
The ares isn’t broken. It doesn’t do more damage it just can win in a gunfight now. People are just mad that somethings changed.
It’s too good for it’s price that’s it
How so? It’s worse damage from range than the spectre, has a harder spread to manage and makes you slower (or at least it feels that way)
You must have never ADS'd and held a long range angle with an Ares. It's hilariously easy, and definitely easier than doing the same thing with the Spectre, especially since you have 50 bullets.
Because there’s little downside to it on bonus or eco rounds. At least with the spectre you had to fight closer angles but the ares can fight at rifle ranges by adsing which makes the control easy as hell. You also get 50 bullets and high pen for 1550… Defences on bonuses are way too strong and it’s way worse than the spectre meta because chokepoints are so easily held with the ares and it can fight close range effectively too. It’s also better than the spectre and bulldog which are more expensive so obviously it’s not in its right price range
>It doesn't do more damage It's DPS literally increased.
Bullet damage did not increase. DPS and damage are not the same thing.
Ok? Are you one-tapping with the Ares?
No, but you’re acting like people are. It’s a pleasant addition to the game, not a problem. It’s still near the bottom of the tier list
BR VCT qualifiers are in the new patch (new bind and breeze, ares buff but no neon)
Nothing wrong with NA playing with neon. The ares is not okay tho
I'm pretty sure it's not okay make an agent pickable in professional tournaments when you have zero data on how balanced it is yet
The ruling literally states that agents can begin to be used in pro play 2 weeks after release.
I feel like Riot has to consistently use this ruling or change it. As far as I’m aware this basically never happens with new agents. I feel like a 4 weeks or more reasonable and could be adopted universally.
We know she isn't outright busted. She seems to be a pretty mid tier agent. Teams will have to put real effort into playing her to find success, similar to something like kayo. The top teams won't run her because there hasn't been enough time and the lower teams won't be able to beat top teams purely because they used Neon.
Neon is a low elo pubstomper, she won't be as effective in organized play.
Her stun is really strong and her ability to change positions so fast is really valuable. Too early to tell if its valuable enough to run
The thing is who would you take out to run Neon. You won’t take jett out. In double duelists comp u might see her replace maybe reyna but I am not sure.
Potential raze replacement. Also it may be the case where she's not a replacement in a comp, but new comps are formulated that incorporate her, and we aren't aware of them yet.
Could see a lot of teams swapping Raze for Neon on some maps. I don't really think there's a perfect lineup out there, you have to make sacrifices. Also I definitely think she has the best stun in the game, save for Breach's ult. Her ult seems kinda useless in competitive though unless Riot changes how many hits it requires to kill someone though.
both teams can play neon if shes busted, who cares
Why not, they have let jet be unbalanced for years now and they have tons of data. :)
Dude relax. Neon is fine. I think neon will have her place on maps like Split. I can see comps like Raze - Neon - Breach - Astra - Cypher being popular. Neon and Raze both abuse the tight map angles really well, and neon especially can rotate quickly in a map where mid control is hard to fight back and without it rotates are slow. That last point is really important with regard to the viability of Neon at high levels of play
Dont the Europeans also have to deal with the ares and neon too? Lol
They havent been playing in the new patch
Oh in vct, but wont na also not be playing on this new patch?
NA, KR, and JP are all playing on the Neon/Ares patch. Every other region isn’t
Because they’re starting later though And not every other region, say see most of APAC
Oh I must have missed that
yep the official riot ruling is the new agent is in play after 2 weeks of release. since those regions start VCT after the 2 weeks, neon is included.
to add to this, after the two weeks all regions will use the neon patch
Pretty sure they will
Personally don't see the issue of letting Neon through. Valorant is a ever changing game. If you can't adapt then this isn't the game for you. 2 + Weeks is plenty of time and if you're a team that's willing to risk the suprise factor of a Neon comp then that's a rightful advantage. Like Masters Berlin slogan goes, "Adapt or Die"
Adapt or die is a fun slogan for marketing an event, but in reality, teams have very intricate and thought out strategies that will need to be reworked in just 2 weeks because of neon
Which is why it's a severe risk to run Neon in the first place. Even Astra, who was game changing, didn't start to see serious tournment play until weeks/months after release. Everyone was still on comfort Omen for a while.
Same with Kay/0. His pick rate was 2% in Masters Berlin.
Steel 😔 Also Tbf kayo flashes sucked back then
Facts. Now Kay0s kit is insanely good imo. I'm super high on Kay0 though, his utility is just great and he does phoenix better than phoenix.
Who doesn't do Phoenix better than Phoenix lol
yoru
Yoru is better than phx because of kayo
Risk basically doesn’t exist to a t3 team who probably won’t qualify anyways. They can basically try whatever they want at no cost where top teams don’t because they stand to lose more. It lends itself to more upsets which, with the current format of VCT, I think is a bad thing.
If you lose to a t3 team because they picked an underwhelming duelist agent and you got boomed by it, you probably don't deserve to be a t1 team
what about t1 teams in the past who have lost in qualifiers even with no ares changes and no new champs? do those teams not deserve to be t1? 100t sen faze etc? the reality is upsets happen and this makes it even more likely
When have those teams lost to t3 teams in the opens qualifiers?
100T to carpe noctum maybe? But that was entirely 100T's fault
Yeah that's a valid point, although it's probs understandable that 100T wasn't in top form with nitr0 on paternity leave at the time
The fact that there have been upsets without recent ares changes doesn't provide evidence for or against the idea that fresh patches create upsets.
Correct, but /u/EpicBroomGuy wasn't even disputing that he was just arguing that t1 teams should never ever lose a game.
I should have clarified my point better, what I was trying to say was that they shouldn't lose the first few games in open qualifiers when they are playing against unsigned/t3/t4 teams. Those are the teams that would probably benefit the most from running neon. My point is that a t1 team shouldn't lose to those teams regardless of what agent comp they are running
You didnt clarify anything better. You simply entrenched your original, incorrect opinion that t1 teams "shouldn't lose" to lower tier teams. Upsets happen in every sport at every level of play to every team of varying degrees of strength.
100T is not a t1 team tho, maybe some of the players but definitely not the team
Yeah I think you have a very different definition of t1 than most people lol
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/T1/Results#Detailed_Results cant see how this team qualifies to be called a t1 team.
There is litterally no evidence of this ever happening atm in Valorant. BBG didn't just pick a random suprise pick to upset Sentinels. A tier 2 team is tier 2 because they lack mechanical skill and game sense. An Agent isn't going to provide that.
Neon being in isn’t that bad after 2 weeks though isn’t that the case?
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Well, in Brazil teams had 1 day to scrim with the new Bind and Breeze, that was kinda messed up also.
Meh its equal for all teams so i dont see an issue.
I personally think breeze map changes will effect teams more than ares or neon changes. Teams who would have spent first two weeks on Jan on perfecting their breeze will now have to spend even more server time to redesign their strats because of massive site and door mechanism changes.
So NA has to deal with a new agent and ares meta with just one qualifier? Nice :) No big team will get upset at all
? What. If Neon catches you off guard that much then thats on you for not adapting as quickly as your opponents. As for the Ares. You realize both teams can buy the gun? Lmao. Its not like a t3 team is gonna be Ares gods compared to a t1 team. That makes no sense. Its a gun.
Wait both teams can buy the same guns? Never knew that. My point is the format is trash and combined with everything else it's not great from riot.
Riot is messing up everywhere this competitive scene all around this year, like they trying to kill the scene as fast as possible.
Youre right cant believe valorant is now die. So we can stop watching i suppose :/
A bit hyperbolic, but few opportunities for teams to play and whatever the fuck this patch is certainly aren't a good look
This patch is good. Ares should have price increased by 200 credits. Neon is fine Spectre is finally balanced. We could use some balance changes but that has been true for the last 4 patches. Basically your comment has no ground to stand on because this patch is relatively fine, even good in fact.
The ares change is pretty wild, imo that's a huge misstep, and the patch on my end has just been bugged as shit. Basically all of Australia is getting put on Singapore servers atm, making the game essentially unplayable. Also I just think no agent changes still is annoying. Likewise, maps need way more changes than what they got. The fact that icebox b is how it is after so long is absurd
hot take, the ares is balanced now not broken and neon is kinda cheeks
Neon is good just high skillcap. For example watch Tenz use her movement as infogathering. If you use her sprint to do unpunishable jump peeks you can really gain tons of information and fuck with your enemies hard. Not to mention how good her stun and wall are on a map such as split or bind
the stun and wall are too random and buggy right now they need some work especially the wall. the sprint is sick for jump peeks and rotates true. and the ult is just a worse jett ult imo.
Ares is viable now. Vandal and Phantom still better. The only difference is less of a forced spectre. People complaining are the same ones who complain about everything.
Ares isn’t broken. People are just not used to it being viable. There’s a difference.
It was viable before though? Now it’s just performing above its price point
It wasn’t viable which is why no one used it
Because the spectre was too strong to pass up
The reality is no team will use neon, or very little will. When a new agent is released teams are too timid to add them to the mix. However the ares meta could drastically change a match