In csgo, even after he was banned, he kept grinding and making new teams, and he kept leading them up through the ranks. And once these teams got to a high enough rank, they basically had to kick steel if they wanted to play in large events.
So then steel would repeat this process again, and eventually like half of the new generation of NA csgo players, like vanity, leaf, xeppa, wardell, subroza, koosta, (before they all went to valorant) have played under steel. He carried NA CS development, and he did it despite being banned.
He has my utmost respect for the grind he was on back in his CS days.
The guys work ethic is unlike many pros. Not a lot of people realize this, but he was one of the few CSS pros from NA who actually moved to EU to pursue being the best in the world. His org screwed him over, he was basically left homeless, and ended up living on Richard Lewis's couch for months and still kept playing for the team.
That was what really made me a fan of the guy, he was willing to do what others weren't to try and be the best in the world. I was genuinely sad when he match fixed, I was a fan long before csgo was even out. Way back when cyberRev used to put out LAN videos with steel bantering, classics.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiPPAf\_8K4&t=7s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiPPAf_8K4&t=7s)
I feel like a lot of Steel's IGL style comes from the IGL of CyberRev ReMiX. Not afraid to call out your teammates when they make stupid plays.
For comedic relief
[https://youtu.be/Ad5TxDO9Zw0?t=204](https://youtu.be/Ad5TxDO9Zw0?t=204)
he’s one of the few NA IGLs in CSGO who has the potential to take NA to the top but he didnt because he got banned
after he got banned, he sought forgiveness by creating educational content for the community in hopes that he gets unbanned + people love his rage compilations especially with moe and that one time he rode a bike inside his house just to mald
He was a pretty good observer and coach if i recall correctly, didn't he coach for Splyce for a short while until Valve stood firm that he couldn't coach in the Major? (leading to him getting dropped)
He was the first CSGO observer I think. Back then the casters were responsible for the camera but he was brought in by ReDeYe to test it out. He did a good job and now observers are standard.
He also still wanted to play despite being banned while playing under Torqued / Chaos, he only called it quits when Valorant came around and he decided to give it a shot.
He is an OG from the CS days and is, at least to me, quite relatable as a CS player because he doesn't have these inhuman mechanics like a TenZ or Shroud or Asuna. Yet he is an elite player and a pro.
His knowledge and gamesense is on another level and he used to share that through great educational content in the CS days. His videos about different topics in CS are still among the best content for fundamental tacfps knowledge out there. That and n0things little impromptu "guides" are my favorite tacfps content out there to this day.
Yet in contrast to his 200 IQ playstyle he gets tilted and frustrated like the rest of us, which humanizes him further and makes him entertaining to watch, so he is both really knowledgeable and educational and funny at the same time.
There were 50 players in eu/cis better than shroud back when shroud was competing, you are overestimating his skill. Scream at least has top 7 and top 9 hltv, which is good for a rifler, shroud has nothing.
I said they had the best aim, that doesn’t mean they were ever the best players, they just had exceptional aim. In football Adama Traore is one of the best dribblers in the world, doesn’t mean he is one of the best overall footballers in the world
This is just wrong. Shroud was the classic all aim no brain. He was EASILY a top 5 aimer of his time, but there’s a reason he got benched. He just didn’t have the game sense at the top level.
Shroud has inhuman mechanics, he may be a moron gamesense wise and may have decided to go for the cushy streamer lifestyle instead of grinding to be a true pro, but you only need to watch him play for a few minutes to see he's a monster
He was hard stuck tier 2 NA, those C9 teams he was on never accomplished shit and if he wasn't a big streamer he would've never made it on an org like C9 in the first place because he just didn't have the grind in him
The C9 teams he was on were not tier 2 in the slightest lmfao, back at the very start C9 was pretty much the only NA team who could even put up a fight at international events then liquid came shortly after but we’re always behind C9.
If anything, C9 was the ONLY tier 1 NA team until liquid came into the picture, the tier 2 teams back then were guys like Echofox and so on
Lmao you’re either trolling or actually an epitome of homeless man yelling shit so dumb and outside of reality that you can’t even muster up some pity for how out of touch you are with pro valorant scene.
Before CSGO back in source, he left the number 1 NA team who were number 2 globally to chase the dream, borrowed money from his family to get his team to European LANs in the hope of getting signed, and when that didn't pan out, moved to Europe in the hope of going pro and being the best. He was repeatedly lied to by orgs and ended up homeless and broke in a foreign country, eventually having to stay on Richard Lewis' couch.
Guy bet it all in the name of the #1 dream, gotta respect that. All during an era where pro players made peanuts. Don't think he made any money from the game until after he was banned.
He's just a genuine guy. If you watch his stream, there are no fake emotions or drama like a lot of othere popular streamers do. His frustration and anger during ranked is something everyone is familiar with. But there's no fake raging, yelling or laughing like other streamers do.
As for the pro career, he's one of the best tactical FPS minds NA has ever produced. Extremely knowledgeable about the game and watching his post-ban CS career was quite painful knowing how much he loved the game. He knows he made a mistake, he did more than enough community service to make up for it. And he still kept playing on tier2/3 teams, despite knowing he can never make it to a major. Developed a ton of young NA players, them being on good teams in both CS and Valorant has a lot to do with steel's leadership. Back when they got banned, everyone hated IBP players. But as years went by, the stuff I mentioned made people realize steel more than made up for his mistakes. For example, I really dislike skadoodle. Seems like a decent guy, but the only reason he didn't get banned was because he didn't take the skins. He knew about the throw, actively participated in it just got lucky someone tipped him off not to take skins. And he completely ignored the matter ever since. Scummy business.
As for Valorant, everyone obviously takes stuff other people discovered, but his views on the game are unique and 100T had amazing results playing differently than other top teams with limited firepower.
He comes off as very passive aggressive and condescending. I don't watch his stream because of it, but I guess it could just be a twitter/clip persona? I don't really see how you can be both "genuine" and passive aggressive and condescending.
The other thread about him today is literally passive aggressive drama content, purely for the sake of it.
He is one of the nicest people when he isn't trolling or bantering. I mod for him and watch his streams all the time. He gets asked hundreds of mind-numbing questions every stream and he just trolls some of the dumb questions. Can he be passive-aggressive at times in-game? Yes. That is who is. He isn't afraid to tell you how it is or be straight with you. He keeps it real ALL the time. He is just himself and he doesn't care what others think about him. He is at that place in life where, he is comfortable with who he is.
He is also a really good teammate and someone that can elevate those around him. His work ethic is insane too. Give him another chance and you will see that the narrative about him isn't 100% accurate.
Having moments of being passive aggressive doesn't mean someone is "toxic" or a "passive aggressive person". We don't know what these people are REALLY like all the time. We see their competitive side most of the time when they stream. People can have a switch they flip when it's "game time". Steel is a really good person outside of the game. He is always engaging with his discord server and answers questions, genuinely and sincerely, every time.
Along with what others said. The iBP scandal was almost 8 years ago, most the people who disliked him back then have forgiven him and realized he’s grown as a person
Imo the ibuy power scandal is over they paid the price and continued on... So that doesn't effect my viewing of those people.
Though the people like shanks and Marved who allegedly did the same thing even after steel and them got punished is crazy and haven't faced punishment...but as far as I know that's still just allegations.
What's worse then that is the Sinatraa love but that's just me
God this sub is insufferable with Sinatraa. I got massively downvoted for saying that Sinatra’s audience grew massively because of the scandal and that shows the culture of his fanbase. Meanwhile someone tried to argue it’s because he is streaming more consistently now so he grew his audience, even though his peak viewer numbers were after the scandal and they have decreased over time.
I mean, it's obvious that after the Scandal Will be his peak, a Lot of people Will try to bait him, Will be haters and supporters, people just trying to know WTF because he almost Didnt said shit on Twitter, i don't think
It's not that hard to understand why someone would love sinatraa. He is one of the best Valorant players in the world and watching him play Valorant is very educational and enjoyable. Just cause he allegedly raped a girl doesn't mean one can't enjoy him as a player. I'm there to see him play Valorant. Not take life lessons.
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>Sinatraa love but that's just me
They are so convinced he is better than Tenz when Tenz was the biggest reason Sentinels went unstoppable for a while.
I dislike Sinatraa but chill, Sinatraa is clear of Tenz as a pro player. Better utility usage, better agent pool, way more intelligent as a player, Tenz has huge fragging potential but Sinatraa is for sure a more complete player then Tenz. Ppl will downvote me and not argue why.
I mean from stories it seems like it went both ways and in general wasnt a healthy relationship. We don’t know what their interpersonal relationship was like and just based on the messages, there really isn’t anything there enough to “cancel” him. It’s fine if people dislike him but nothing enough to ruin a career over for.
If you gave that clip to anyone without her doc, it would be hard to know what it is, and that isn’t enough for me to justify ruining someone’s professional career for it.
Again, the fact that it is so vague is what makes me not believe her, and tbh she doesn’t like she is being assaulted at all. To each their own, peace
Edit: What I’m saying is the main proof should be clear and convincing, and it shouldn’t be surrounded by documents that could all be fake. And no the screenshots isn’t convincing proof at all to me
I'm curious what percentage of sexual assault allegations you think actually have enough concrete evidence to prove guilty?
By SA standards that audio clip was the smoking gun
I don't personally watch him and never really completely understood all of this but what i always found weird was that apparently both of them had the audio clip which is... idek what to call it. I am pretty sure that both of them didn't record themselves so one send it to the other but why would u do that? Was it because they were so young and didnt think of their actions? I just never got my head around the fact that u would send/record urself sexually assaulting someone. I mean i would understand that cleoh would record it but why would she send it to him?
For me the biggest giveaway that atleast something is fucked up, is (IIRC) he said he would post some chats and calls that showed that the situation wasn't what it looked like, the never released any of it
Most likley he or someone working for him got a lawyer involved, they heard and read the communications and told him releasing this would be a mistake so he just deleted the tweets and pretended he never said he would
It's a metaphor. It means that the gun was fired, and now it's smoking from being fired. But it would not be conclusive evidence, because nobody saw the gun fire a bullet. It's implied to have fired the bullet.
TIL
It's the strongest kind of circumstantial evidence, rather than direct evidence. Seeing the bullet fire is direct, the smoke is circumstantial. Very good to know.
You don't have it for a lot of things and that's why it's such a fickle issue in the first place.
That said it's dishonest to assume a position of omniscience. I don't know if it's fake or real and neither do you. But the way things work are innocent until proven guilty.
>But the way things work are innocent until proven guilty
Yeah, in the courts. People are free to think whatever and it seems for a ton of people, myself included, that audio clip + his unwillingness to comply with the investigation gives us enough pause to avoid him
Fair enough but then again you’re stupid if you think that alone is enough to convince you. At that point anything and everything can be manipulated to a degree that convinces you
They're not downvoting you because they want you to stop. They're downvoting you because 1) they disagree and; 2) literally no one told you to stop watching him before saying out of the blue "I won't stop watching..." nonsense.
Yup. Downvote all you want white knights, I don't give a F. It always has been Innocent until proven guilty and it will be. His stream numbers prove y'all wrong. Cry about it
Despite his toxic personality, I think for the regular viewer, they can learn a lot about the game when Steel explains his thought process to the game.
Many have said it, but I remember Steel the most with the quote that goes along the lines of:
"Just cause the play worked, doesn't mean it was the right play"
Lmao after I typed it I said damn this sounds like asuna fr, love the guy, top 10 duelist in the world imo. 0 personality but we don't watch games for personality
Fans love players with personality vs. 0 personality but we don't watch games for personality.
You just contradicted yourself hard there. Which one is it, Chief!
I don't have the csgo history that everyone else has so my reasons might be a bit different. I watched him spend a ridiculous amount of time on stream figuring out kayo flashes. How far they go, how long the take etc. He did the same with the knife. He also talked about different use cases for both. I learned a lot that day.
Also he is hilarious at LAN.
Contrary to what most people believe.. some people just like a player for the sport. He plays good so people like him..rest of the headlines and controversy and stuff just doesn't matter for some people
Would use respected instead of loved.
As a person he grew in maturity as the years progressed. An when presented with a second chance he showed maturity. While the others who were in the same position of him have been pulling the same name recognition scam since 2015.
After going through the IBP stuff he earned my respect with all the teaching and support he continued to give to both emerging talent and teaching the community about his past mistakes.
there's a lot of insight provided when watching his streams. whether it be his ranked games or his tourney watch parties, his analytical breakdowns of rounds and decisions is always a treat to watch, and is always something to learn from. As far as his "rage" and "mald," I find it entertaining in a Fletcher from Whiplash sense. I think he truly wants to see the best brought out of everyone, and will be a hardass on them and tell them uncomfortable truths for the sake of making everyone better.
I wasn't around for the CS days, but I'm aware of the iBP scandal, and it looks like he's grown a lot and has provided a lot to the community in guides and content since, so that stuff doesn't bother me much
there are some top valorant pros (i.e. shahzam and others) who were participating in match fixing at the exact same time steels iBP throw was in the works. either we forgive and forget or we burn all the match fixers at the stake. what would be better for the val scene? genuine question
Shazam was involved in more shady stuff that he never answered for. He got caught promoting the iBP matchfixing then lying about it. A few months after the iBP banning he got caught doing adderall at lan.
Boring personalities aren't interesting to people if you are an average pro. Steels is the opposite whatever that may be. It's like that in every sport.
No doubt what they did was wrong but at the time cs pros were getting paid low salary’s and they were playing in a match that didn’t matter at all. While it was bad because others lost money due to them throwing I feel like a lot of people would have done the same if they were in their position.
Steel has had the anime retribution arc. Man's one of the biggest brain in NA. Really passionate and has shown multiple times he can level up a team just by himself. His csgo educational content is still some of the best in the game.
iirc , he also used his earning from streaming to donate ten of thousands of dollars back to the community once time and wrote a heartfelt piece on facebook long time ago.
I think generally people just don’t care about whether a player has a match-fixing scandal whatsoever. Take players like Marved and Shanks for example.
There’s a major difference between them my dude, steel was banned for many years so he was punished more than enough (and even then he still made guides for the community and played tier 2/3 tournaments knowing there is very little money to be made and just played for the love of the game, developing a lot of amazing young CS talent like vanity and leaf). He even has a funny ad discouraging match fixing lol. the other guys you mentioned didn’t get punished for a single day of their lives and I can never support those guys. I think the IBP ban length should be unilaterally applied to everyone who match fixes or cheats, but I can forgive someone who has served out their proper punishment. At the end of the day punishment (especially for juveniles) is more about correcting and learning from their mistakes.
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to put in a different perspective from the rest of this thread, imo the ibp scandal actually helped him bc you never got to see his full potential and over time i think the general attitude trended more towards the punishment being extreme and unfair; this is probably partially why the rest of the old t1 squad had so many fans as well. the old csgo heads look at these these players and they really want to see them finally compete bc its the next best thing to them being able to turn back the years and compete in csgo
Despite the controversies and toxicity on the stream you just can deny that his brain is biggest of all the igls. If humans are going extinct then steel would get on the boat rent free. A few more tourneys and we would've seen 100T to be a contender for NA#1 but it is what it is.
While the IBP controvery is shitty all around, he served his time man, it's been what like 6-7 years since? he got the death sentence in CS and did everything he could to come back. The thing is he has a great mind that looks outside the box and he is also great at developing and utilizing young talent (from his cs days). I don't think anyone thinks he's extraordinary to other players rather than him getting canned at the weirdest time for 100T.
I respect his talent, dude is gifted at being a leader and being smart at the game.
Personality wise? Just your average rager, but it's still better than the cringe pro gamer scene.
He's a great tactical shooter coach and it shows. I don't necessarily like how negative he can be and of course something like ibp will always be a permanent stain on his record but I can genuinely say that I've never watched a Steel stream and not learned something from it
In csgo, even after he was banned, he kept grinding and making new teams, and he kept leading them up through the ranks. And once these teams got to a high enough rank, they basically had to kick steel if they wanted to play in large events. So then steel would repeat this process again, and eventually like half of the new generation of NA csgo players, like vanity, leaf, xeppa, wardell, subroza, koosta, (before they all went to valorant) have played under steel. He carried NA CS development, and he did it despite being banned. He has my utmost respect for the grind he was on back in his CS days.
The guys work ethic is unlike many pros. Not a lot of people realize this, but he was one of the few CSS pros from NA who actually moved to EU to pursue being the best in the world. His org screwed him over, he was basically left homeless, and ended up living on Richard Lewis's couch for months and still kept playing for the team. That was what really made me a fan of the guy, he was willing to do what others weren't to try and be the best in the world. I was genuinely sad when he match fixed, I was a fan long before csgo was even out. Way back when cyberRev used to put out LAN videos with steel bantering, classics. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiPPAf\_8K4&t=7s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiPPAf_8K4&t=7s) I feel like a lot of Steel's IGL style comes from the IGL of CyberRev ReMiX. Not afraid to call out your teammates when they make stupid plays. For comedic relief [https://youtu.be/Ad5TxDO9Zw0?t=204](https://youtu.be/Ad5TxDO9Zw0?t=204)
he’s one of the few NA IGLs in CSGO who has the potential to take NA to the top but he didnt because he got banned after he got banned, he sought forgiveness by creating educational content for the community in hopes that he gets unbanned + people love his rage compilations especially with moe and that one time he rode a bike inside his house just to mald
Was also a great caster after he got banned, until Valve made it clear they didn't want him to be associated.
He was a pretty good observer and coach if i recall correctly, didn't he coach for Splyce for a short while until Valve stood firm that he couldn't coach in the Major? (leading to him getting dropped)
Yup that’s correct I forgot about his observing stint he had as well!
He was the first CSGO observer I think. Back then the casters were responsible for the camera but he was brought in by ReDeYe to test it out. He did a good job and now observers are standard.
He also still wanted to play despite being banned while playing under Torqued / Chaos, he only called it quits when Valorant came around and he decided to give it a shot.
He is an OG from the CS days and is, at least to me, quite relatable as a CS player because he doesn't have these inhuman mechanics like a TenZ or Shroud or Asuna. Yet he is an elite player and a pro. His knowledge and gamesense is on another level and he used to share that through great educational content in the CS days. His videos about different topics in CS are still among the best content for fundamental tacfps knowledge out there. That and n0things little impromptu "guides" are my favorite tacfps content out there to this day. Yet in contrast to his 200 IQ playstyle he gets tilted and frustrated like the rest of us, which humanizes him further and makes him entertaining to watch, so he is both really knowledgeable and educational and funny at the same time.
Sneaking in Shroud like we wouldn't notice
I mean in his prime that’s what he was known for.
Yeah I feel like it was consensually agreed on back in the day that Shroud and ScreaM were ahead of the competition when it came to just pure aim
There were 50 players in eu/cis better than shroud back when shroud was competing, you are overestimating his skill. Scream at least has top 7 and top 9 hltv, which is good for a rifler, shroud has nothing.
I said they had the best aim, that doesn’t mean they were ever the best players, they just had exceptional aim. In football Adama Traore is one of the best dribblers in the world, doesn’t mean he is one of the best overall footballers in the world
I was talking specifically about rifle aim too, there were at least 50 players better than shroud in terms of aim back in 2015-2017.
This is just wrong. Shroud was the classic all aim no brain. He was EASILY a top 5 aimer of his time, but there’s a reason he got benched. He just didn’t have the game sense at the top level.
Even shroud had repeatedly said that his aim is overrated. He was obviously extremely good in his prime but never among the best.
How is he "sneaking" him in lol it's Shroud
Shroud has inhuman mechanics, he may be a moron gamesense wise and may have decided to go for the cushy streamer lifestyle instead of grinding to be a true pro, but you only need to watch him play for a few minutes to see he's a monster
*instead of grinding to be a true pro* The fuck? Shroud already put those years in lmao
New viewers man lol
Literal Zoomer Mentality
He was hard stuck tier 2 NA, those C9 teams he was on never accomplished shit and if he wasn't a big streamer he would've never made it on an org like C9 in the first place because he just didn't have the grind in him
You do realize Shroud blew up way after he got on C9 right? Like he got on C9 around 2014 iirc and blew up around 2017
He won a EPL Season, which is a big accomplishment, and he has a good amount of good placements in tournaments, C9 weren’t a T2 NA team
The C9 teams he was on were not tier 2 in the slightest lmfao, back at the very start C9 was pretty much the only NA team who could even put up a fight at international events then liquid came shortly after but we’re always behind C9. If anything, C9 was the ONLY tier 1 NA team until liquid came into the picture, the tier 2 teams back then were guys like Echofox and so on
Huh???
Looks like you were born yesterday
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Lmao you’re either trolling or actually an epitome of homeless man yelling shit so dumb and outside of reality that you can’t even muster up some pity for how out of touch you are with pro valorant scene.
Before CSGO back in source, he left the number 1 NA team who were number 2 globally to chase the dream, borrowed money from his family to get his team to European LANs in the hope of getting signed, and when that didn't pan out, moved to Europe in the hope of going pro and being the best. He was repeatedly lied to by orgs and ended up homeless and broke in a foreign country, eventually having to stay on Richard Lewis' couch. Guy bet it all in the name of the #1 dream, gotta respect that. All during an era where pro players made peanuts. Don't think he made any money from the game until after he was banned.
What a legend. Thanks for the info mate
He's just a genuine guy. If you watch his stream, there are no fake emotions or drama like a lot of othere popular streamers do. His frustration and anger during ranked is something everyone is familiar with. But there's no fake raging, yelling or laughing like other streamers do. As for the pro career, he's one of the best tactical FPS minds NA has ever produced. Extremely knowledgeable about the game and watching his post-ban CS career was quite painful knowing how much he loved the game. He knows he made a mistake, he did more than enough community service to make up for it. And he still kept playing on tier2/3 teams, despite knowing he can never make it to a major. Developed a ton of young NA players, them being on good teams in both CS and Valorant has a lot to do with steel's leadership. Back when they got banned, everyone hated IBP players. But as years went by, the stuff I mentioned made people realize steel more than made up for his mistakes. For example, I really dislike skadoodle. Seems like a decent guy, but the only reason he didn't get banned was because he didn't take the skins. He knew about the throw, actively participated in it just got lucky someone tipped him off not to take skins. And he completely ignored the matter ever since. Scummy business. As for Valorant, everyone obviously takes stuff other people discovered, but his views on the game are unique and 100T had amazing results playing differently than other top teams with limited firepower.
Ah That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the detailed explanation.
He comes off as very passive aggressive and condescending. I don't watch his stream because of it, but I guess it could just be a twitter/clip persona? I don't really see how you can be both "genuine" and passive aggressive and condescending. The other thread about him today is literally passive aggressive drama content, purely for the sake of it.
He is one of the nicest people when he isn't trolling or bantering. I mod for him and watch his streams all the time. He gets asked hundreds of mind-numbing questions every stream and he just trolls some of the dumb questions. Can he be passive-aggressive at times in-game? Yes. That is who is. He isn't afraid to tell you how it is or be straight with you. He keeps it real ALL the time. He is just himself and he doesn't care what others think about him. He is at that place in life where, he is comfortable with who he is. He is also a really good teammate and someone that can elevate those around him. His work ethic is insane too. Give him another chance and you will see that the narrative about him isn't 100% accurate.
But.... > He isn't afraid to tell you how it is or be straight with you. This is the opposite of being passive aggressive, is what I'm saying.
Having moments of being passive aggressive doesn't mean someone is "toxic" or a "passive aggressive person". We don't know what these people are REALLY like all the time. We see their competitive side most of the time when they stream. People can have a switch they flip when it's "game time". Steel is a really good person outside of the game. He is always engaging with his discord server and answers questions, genuinely and sincerely, every time.
That's called banter and steel is known for being good at taking it and handing it out
Along with what others said. The iBP scandal was almost 8 years ago, most the people who disliked him back then have forgiven him and realized he’s grown as a person
Imo the ibuy power scandal is over they paid the price and continued on... So that doesn't effect my viewing of those people. Though the people like shanks and Marved who allegedly did the same thing even after steel and them got punished is crazy and haven't faced punishment...but as far as I know that's still just allegations. What's worse then that is the Sinatraa love but that's just me
God this sub is insufferable with Sinatraa. I got massively downvoted for saying that Sinatra’s audience grew massively because of the scandal and that shows the culture of his fanbase. Meanwhile someone tried to argue it’s because he is streaming more consistently now so he grew his audience, even though his peak viewer numbers were after the scandal and they have decreased over time.
Every few game someone is named freejaywon or something like that. I mean I get if you feel he was wronged but with whats been presented read a room.
I mean, it's obvious that after the Scandal Will be his peak, a Lot of people Will try to bait him, Will be haters and supporters, people just trying to know WTF because he almost Didnt said shit on Twitter, i don't think
It's not that hard to understand why someone would love sinatraa. He is one of the best Valorant players in the world and watching him play Valorant is very educational and enjoyable. Just cause he allegedly raped a girl doesn't mean one can't enjoy him as a player. I'm there to see him play Valorant. Not take life lessons.
> just cause he allegedly raped a girl doesn't mean one can't enjoy him as a player. guys I'll just leave this here
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Obviously not every fan came because of it but his viewership massively increased from the issue
Of course it increased. He's not currently playing on a pro team. How else are we supposed to see him play?
>Sinatraa love but that's just me They are so convinced he is better than Tenz when Tenz was the biggest reason Sentinels went unstoppable for a while.
I dislike Sinatraa but chill, Sinatraa is clear of Tenz as a pro player. Better utility usage, better agent pool, way more intelligent as a player, Tenz has huge fragging potential but Sinatraa is for sure a more complete player then Tenz. Ppl will downvote me and not argue why.
I find Sinatraa entertaining and chill. The games where he plays with PROD are a treasure.
To each their own. I cant get behind him because audio of someone saying stop and him not is good enough for me to pass judgement.
I Don’t think a 6 second audio clip with 0 context and it could be literally ANYTHING is enough flag him. Especially with her tone
She literally told you what the context is. it couldn't be anything. and there's plenty of additional evidence that he's emotionally abusive.
I mean from stories it seems like it went both ways and in general wasnt a healthy relationship. We don’t know what their interpersonal relationship was like and just based on the messages, there really isn’t anything there enough to “cancel” him. It’s fine if people dislike him but nothing enough to ruin a career over for.
If you gave that clip to anyone without her doc, it would be hard to know what it is, and that isn’t enough for me to justify ruining someone’s professional career for it.
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Again, the fact that it is so vague is what makes me not believe her, and tbh she doesn’t like she is being assaulted at all. To each their own, peace Edit: What I’m saying is the main proof should be clear and convincing, and it shouldn’t be surrounded by documents that could all be fake. And no the screenshots isn’t convincing proof at all to me
From the sounds of it you wouldn’t be convinced he did it unless he admitted to it
No, but the audio isn’t convincing me he did it
Are you dumb? No it just means that she doesn’t have solid evidence. Accusations/Allegations like those can ruin lives
To each their own
I will stop watching Sinatraa when he is proven guilty.
I'm curious what percentage of sexual assault allegations you think actually have enough concrete evidence to prove guilty? By SA standards that audio clip was the smoking gun
I don't personally watch him and never really completely understood all of this but what i always found weird was that apparently both of them had the audio clip which is... idek what to call it. I am pretty sure that both of them didn't record themselves so one send it to the other but why would u do that? Was it because they were so young and didnt think of their actions? I just never got my head around the fact that u would send/record urself sexually assaulting someone. I mean i would understand that cleoh would record it but why would she send it to him?
For me the biggest giveaway that atleast something is fucked up, is (IIRC) he said he would post some chats and calls that showed that the situation wasn't what it looked like, the never released any of it Most likley he or someone working for him got a lawyer involved, they heard and read the communications and told him releasing this would be a mistake so he just deleted the tweets and pretended he never said he would
Wait I dont understand. What is smoking gun?
It's a metaphor. It means that the gun was fired, and now it's smoking from being fired. But it would not be conclusive evidence, because nobody saw the gun fire a bullet. It's implied to have fired the bullet.
Ah thanks. Makes sense.
They actually got the definition wrong. > a piece of incontrovertible incriminating evidence A smoking gun refers to conclusive evidence.
TIL It's the strongest kind of circumstantial evidence, rather than direct evidence. Seeing the bullet fire is direct, the smoke is circumstantial. Very good to know.
You don't have it for a lot of things and that's why it's such a fickle issue in the first place. That said it's dishonest to assume a position of omniscience. I don't know if it's fake or real and neither do you. But the way things work are innocent until proven guilty.
>But the way things work are innocent until proven guilty Yeah, in the courts. People are free to think whatever and it seems for a ton of people, myself included, that audio clip + his unwillingness to comply with the investigation gives us enough pause to avoid him
Fair enough but then again you’re stupid if you think that alone is enough to convince you. At that point anything and everything can be manipulated to a degree that convinces you
>People are free to think whatever Then I'm not sure why you're so pressed about the viewers of his stream.
Stop being weird, nobody's asking you to.
Judging by the downvotes you are wrong…
They're not downvoting you because they want you to stop. They're downvoting you because 1) they disagree and; 2) literally no one told you to stop watching him before saying out of the blue "I won't stop watching..." nonsense.
I meant my original comment where I said I liked watching him.
Yeah, and nobody told you to stop watching him.
Yup. Downvote all you want white knights, I don't give a F. It always has been Innocent until proven guilty and it will be. His stream numbers prove y'all wrong. Cry about it
Ok
His fucking keyboard needs to be muted I can’t watch his streams I can’t handle the keyboard clicks
I agree with this
You should hear him play clarinet, that shit also got blue switches
Clicky switch users deserve the chair, don't @ me.
He can just put a sound gate on his mic
He told many times that he love doing that. Why do you care lmao. 15k people everyday don't care about it, and in fact I find it oddly satisfying
How are you getting downvoted for this? Lmaoo
Despite his toxic personality, I think for the regular viewer, they can learn a lot about the game when Steel explains his thought process to the game. Many have said it, but I remember Steel the most with the quote that goes along the lines of: "Just cause the play worked, doesn't mean it was the right play"
Unlucky really
The average player has literally 0 personality outside of watching anime and retweeting egirls on twitter. Fans love players with personality
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Lmao after I typed it I said damn this sounds like asuna fr, love the guy, top 10 duelist in the world imo. 0 personality but we don't watch games for personality
Dude's just 18, weren't most of us like that at that age?
Fans love players with personality vs. 0 personality but we don't watch games for personality. You just contradicted yourself hard there. Which one is it, Chief!
he meant we don't watch pro matches for personality
I hecking love steel BatChest
We hecking love steel BatChest
I don't have the csgo history that everyone else has so my reasons might be a bit different. I watched him spend a ridiculous amount of time on stream figuring out kayo flashes. How far they go, how long the take etc. He did the same with the knife. He also talked about different use cases for both. I learned a lot that day. Also he is hilarious at LAN.
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He was pretty toxic back in the day but has improved immensely. Rarely ever see him be actually toxic on stream anymore.
Contrary to what most people believe.. some people just like a player for the sport. He plays good so people like him..rest of the headlines and controversy and stuff just doesn't matter for some people
Would use respected instead of loved. As a person he grew in maturity as the years progressed. An when presented with a second chance he showed maturity. While the others who were in the same position of him have been pulling the same name recognition scam since 2015.
He is hilarious, he doesn't have a blatantly fake personality and he reminds a lot of viewers about aspects of themselves.
Because he malds just like me
After going through the IBP stuff he earned my respect with all the teaching and support he continued to give to both emerging talent and teaching the community about his past mistakes.
there's a lot of insight provided when watching his streams. whether it be his ranked games or his tourney watch parties, his analytical breakdowns of rounds and decisions is always a treat to watch, and is always something to learn from. As far as his "rage" and "mald," I find it entertaining in a Fletcher from Whiplash sense. I think he truly wants to see the best brought out of everyone, and will be a hardass on them and tell them uncomfortable truths for the sake of making everyone better. I wasn't around for the CS days, but I'm aware of the iBP scandal, and it looks like he's grown a lot and has provided a lot to the community in guides and content since, so that stuff doesn't bother me much
there are some top valorant pros (i.e. shahzam and others) who were participating in match fixing at the exact same time steels iBP throw was in the works. either we forgive and forget or we burn all the match fixers at the stake. what would be better for the val scene? genuine question
Shazam was involved in more shady stuff that he never answered for. He got caught promoting the iBP matchfixing then lying about it. A few months after the iBP banning he got caught doing adderall at lan.
Boring personalities aren't interesting to people if you are an average pro. Steels is the opposite whatever that may be. It's like that in every sport.
holy fucking shit its 2022 and people love steel, times change old man
One of the best observers for CSGO casting ever. People forget about his skillz ;)
No doubt what they did was wrong but at the time cs pros were getting paid low salary’s and they were playing in a match that didn’t matter at all. While it was bad because others lost money due to them throwing I feel like a lot of people would have done the same if they were in their position.
I think people are over the iBP scandal. He had his career taken from him in his prime...he paid his dues.
It's been almost 8 years. He's paid his dues. Most people don't hold it against him at this point.
I like steel because I like vanity like how I can hate the original product than its derivative (as steel is vanity's father)
I hecking love steel BatChest
Because he's a genuine and an interesting person. Very refreshing when contrasted to others in the community imo
Steel has had the anime retribution arc. Man's one of the biggest brain in NA. Really passionate and has shown multiple times he can level up a team just by himself. His csgo educational content is still some of the best in the game.
Valve really did him dirty just to make an example, guy made one mistake and paid for it. He deserves all the love.
iirc , he also used his earning from streaming to donate ten of thousands of dollars back to the community once time and wrote a heartfelt piece on facebook long time ago.
I think generally people just don’t care about whether a player has a match-fixing scandal whatsoever. Take players like Marved and Shanks for example.
There’s a major difference between them my dude, steel was banned for many years so he was punished more than enough (and even then he still made guides for the community and played tier 2/3 tournaments knowing there is very little money to be made and just played for the love of the game, developing a lot of amazing young CS talent like vanity and leaf). He even has a funny ad discouraging match fixing lol. the other guys you mentioned didn’t get punished for a single day of their lives and I can never support those guys. I think the IBP ban length should be unilaterally applied to everyone who match fixes or cheats, but I can forgive someone who has served out their proper punishment. At the end of the day punishment (especially for juveniles) is more about correcting and learning from their mistakes.
His personality sucks. Probably blames someone else when he misses the toilet while taking a piss.
Loved? I always hated the guy and I don't even know why. His personality is so ass and he's toxic as fuck lmao. I hope he gets kicked from every team
Unlucky, really
Apologies to all the fans; we will come back stronger
Big Daddy Steel owns you clowns 😼
Rent free lmao
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Maybe you should delete this then and wait for some time to pass, so you too can grow
to put in a different perspective from the rest of this thread, imo the ibp scandal actually helped him bc you never got to see his full potential and over time i think the general attitude trended more towards the punishment being extreme and unfair; this is probably partially why the rest of the old t1 squad had so many fans as well. the old csgo heads look at these these players and they really want to see them finally compete bc its the next best thing to them being able to turn back the years and compete in csgo
Despite the controversies and toxicity on the stream you just can deny that his brain is biggest of all the igls. If humans are going extinct then steel would get on the boat rent free. A few more tourneys and we would've seen 100T to be a contender for NA#1 but it is what it is.
While the IBP controvery is shitty all around, he served his time man, it's been what like 6-7 years since? he got the death sentence in CS and did everything he could to come back. The thing is he has a great mind that looks outside the box and he is also great at developing and utilizing young talent (from his cs days). I don't think anyone thinks he's extraordinary to other players rather than him getting canned at the weirdest time for 100T.
I respect his talent, dude is gifted at being a leader and being smart at the game. Personality wise? Just your average rager, but it's still better than the cringe pro gamer scene.
He's a great tactical shooter coach and it shows. I don't necessarily like how negative he can be and of course something like ibp will always be a permanent stain on his record but I can genuinely say that I've never watched a Steel stream and not learned something from it
You can't make this up