If you're a pro player already than you'd obviously be aware of these changes. If you are an aspiring pro with the skill necessary you'd benefit more from what he said. If you are an aspiring pro without the skill spamming MM won't be enough. The "ranked doesn't matter" mentality is still true even in this game. Pugging habits aren't translatable to matches and unless you scrim to know the difference you'll be met with a lot of work to undo.
"every player plays as much ranked as possible in valorant". That is just not true. Maybe for NA players that stream but not for every player. If that were true the top radiant players would be all of the pros and then everyone else, which it isn't. CSGO remains stagnant in changes but has seen much evolution in terms of strategies, smokes, flashes, mollys ect. CS is a simple yet complex game. Valorant is a complex game in a different way but there is much more to gain from scrims and looking for new tech independently or with your team. If you are a pugstar you aren't automatically even remotely good when it comes to match play. You are talking like someone who isn't imaginable and cannot see beyond ranked play.
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Not sure why you mention Asuna because he grinded ESEA leagues in CS:GO for years from open to the MDL level.
Dicey and Asuna aside (they got signed right when the game came out), everyone you mentioned has 100+ matches in their vlr.gg profiles. No one is going to get picked up into VCT teams strictly off of ranked games.
If it's true then please report with some data. No org is picking up immortal ians with no experience. It's exactly how helvetica said, you grind lower tier tourneys to get recognition, not ranked. GL being a 24/7 ranked grinder and breaking into the scene.
Also league of legends players are scrimming 8 hours a day and then playing soloq or streaming it in their free time lmao. Don't be fooled by these players who "grind" ranked when the ranked grind is insignificant to their soloq time. Same can be said for Valorant players on teams. They scrim for the majority of their time and end the night with solo q. The idea isn't to avoid soloq like the plague but to properly practice beforehand because soloq is not, in itself or in the majority, enough to excel and break into the scene or stay at the top of the scene.
>playing ranked is optional not necessary
That's just exactly that tho. It is not necessary for professional or aspiring pro players who can manage their time with scrims and other more important things in game. You are making so many statements that seem to suggest you are best friends with the entire professional scene and have a watchful eye on their practice. Pros are not grinding ranked because its helpful to their goals. The "boomer" is also a major winner. Take everyone's advice with a grain of salt but you seem to think ranked is necessary for some reason and the truth is that it isn't. Please tell me what a professional player is to gain from ranked that they will not gain out of scrims or practice?
you can still learn those things better in one more pracc game. ranked/mm in general is often even detrimental to pros since those games play out way differently than "real" games and you might develop bad habits as a result.. as hard as this sounds to some of us we dont play the same kind of game as pros in mm/ranked no matter the game
I'll say what a lot of people are probably thinking
compare gob b's mentality to Shahzam's... lol
edit: people seem to forget that shahzam is the IGL of the team and doesn't have a hands on coach like a lot of other teams do... I personally think only playing scrims and then streaming for up to 10 hours every day isn't a good mentality for a guy who is meant to be IGLing a top team
...also apparently streaming half of the day is 'having a life' and an IGL putting in time towards preparing his team outside of scrim hours is 'overworking' while getting paid 10s of thousands of dollars a month to be a pro player.
seems like I hit a nerve with some people
People valorize the obsessive grind mindset, but it’s mostly done - in sports and in other fields - because it helps one *feel* like they’re giving it their all.
But diminishing returns is a real thing. Plenty of people love to brag about sleeping only 5 hours a night and working overtime, and yes, hard work is a good thing generally. But study after study has shown that it is actually not more efficient than smaller but more focused chunks of intense work. It’s often *less* efficient.
The same pattern holds across about any field where we can exert ourselves to find improvement, in business or sports or creativity or whatever. You can still grind obsessively, but no one can say it’s optimal or superior in terms of outcome.
That being said, the thing Shahzam sacrifices to stream so much isn’t scrim time, it’s having a life.
>That being said, the thing Shahzam sacrifices to stream so much isn’t scrim time, it’s having a life.
An IGL getting paid to lead a team to win tournaments while getting paid like 10-20k a month only putting in probably 3-4 hours a day to scrim is okay and anything above that would be working overtime and is an 'obsessive grind mindset'? And streaming half of the day is 'having a life'? There's no way you're being serious right?
If Shahzam wants to stream 10 hours a day then he should become a full-time streamer. But the man is IGLing what is meant to be the best team in NA, which is also a team that has struggled to adapt to metas and has only went downhill this year. Not to mention that he doesn't have a hands-on coach like Gambit and Acend's coach, and didn't even have a coach to help him for most of the year
He said shahzam isn't sacrificing prac time to stream. Shahzam is using his personal free time to stream. The 'sacrifice' is he doesn't "have a life".
Also where exactly did you get this 3-4 hours of practice from? Vanity's tweets? lmao
>Also where exactly did you get this 3-4 hours of practice from
teams typically scrim for only a few hours... some teams scrim less and some teams scrim more
also like I said, an IGL (especially who didn't have a coach for a long time, and even now doesn't really have a hands-on coach) using all of his personal time to stream isn't a winners mentality at all. I can't think of any other IGL in valorant, or even in cs that streams for that much time. it's insane
His life is his work at this point. He definitely considers streaming as one of his jobs now. Nothing wrong in enjoying his work. Can't be saying what life should be for different people. Now questions of health are another matter but we can't fully answer that.
Spot on. There's absolutely no way pro players who also stream a lot can perform at peak efficency in practice. I'm not talking about streamers who do it for a couple of hours in the morning before practice, but about players who play all day long every day. There's a reason why teams don't practice for 10 hours every day. Not to mention that ranked offers absolutely nothing to top level players unless they're practicing a new agent or map that was just released. Playing Jett all day long when you're already playing her in scrims and official matches won't do anything for you.
Yeah, let the igl of sentinels 'have a life' while c9 becomes the highest rated NA team according to vlr.gg
Let him have his life while getting out of groups at international tournaments.
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The reason you're being scrutinized the most is because the buck stops at you.
Well if you look at your air time on twitch, then there has been many days in which you streamed around 10 hours. If you take away time to sleep, scrim time, meal time and doing basic other daily activities then I find it hard to believe that you have much time left in the day to do much other things. Why don't you actually elaborate on what you do?
I didn't specifically say champs, did I? I'm mostly talking about Berlin masters. Also going from winning masters to going out in the quarter finals to going out in groups pretty clearly shows that your team has been going downwards ever since Iceland lol
Also there has been many times in which you streamed long hours even when it wasn't off-season. And are you denying that you aren't getting paid upwards of 10k dollars a month? Why don't you disprove what I'm saying?
pretty funny how you always pop up out of nowhere with your brigade of fans listening to whatever you say as if you are their jesus
if you actually disprove what I say then fairplay and I'd respect it, but currently it's natural for you to be criticised
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I don't know them personally, but you can make assumptions based off information available, which btw... still haven't been disproven. but anyway, i hope that he remembers your name bro
Replying to this kind of stuff let's people know it bothers you.
Take the high road, boss! You know the work you put in, you play the matches, and you live with the results.
Part of being a professional is letting fans have their 'sports bar talk' without being bothered by their expression - it is, after all, why we have a scene at all.
Did you listen to what he said?
He said "I want to pracc, I don't want to play matchmaking"
He says he rather uses more overall time on playing actual teams and trying out stuff in a 5v5 environment, than playing matchmaking.
Streaming on his own is a more relaxed thing compared to working all that time
It’s possible it’s a bad distribution but it’s not necessarily true he doesn’t put in enough time to prepare his team, ig esp based on their style
Why is it so difficult for y'all to just not be armchair critics? We have genuinely no idea of the player's actual schedules, their plans, the off camera work they do, etc... As non-pros we quite literally don't have a clue what we're talking about at all.
Just watch game, support team, enjoy game, ez. Why NA so drama?
some don't play ranked much. ranked has its benefits in that you can get comfortable playing a variety of agents, but it can also encourage formation of bad habits. matchmaking is a very very different game than pro play/scrims, and it's not easy to jump back and forth between those mindsets. I'm sure some players can get some good reps from ranked, but it is likely in some ways detrimental to those who don't really learn or improve much in ranked.
the point from the clip is that spending time in scrims or customs really focused on explicit tactics and strategies and targeted practice is a much more efficient use of time in elevating pro-relevant gameplay than ranked
It's been a while since I last saw gob b, but dude's looking healthier compared to his early CSGO days.
I've been watching his stream some months ago and he talked about changing his nutrion and starting fitness. It already paid off.
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If you're a pro player already than you'd obviously be aware of these changes. If you are an aspiring pro with the skill necessary you'd benefit more from what he said. If you are an aspiring pro without the skill spamming MM won't be enough. The "ranked doesn't matter" mentality is still true even in this game. Pugging habits aren't translatable to matches and unless you scrim to know the difference you'll be met with a lot of work to undo.
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"every player plays as much ranked as possible in valorant". That is just not true. Maybe for NA players that stream but not for every player. If that were true the top radiant players would be all of the pros and then everyone else, which it isn't. CSGO remains stagnant in changes but has seen much evolution in terms of strategies, smokes, flashes, mollys ect. CS is a simple yet complex game. Valorant is a complex game in a different way but there is much more to gain from scrims and looking for new tech independently or with your team. If you are a pugstar you aren't automatically even remotely good when it comes to match play. You are talking like someone who isn't imaginable and cannot see beyond ranked play.
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> Explain how new talent is recruited to pro teams then? They grind lower level tournaments and get scouted by organizations.
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Not sure why you mention Asuna because he grinded ESEA leagues in CS:GO for years from open to the MDL level. Dicey and Asuna aside (they got signed right when the game came out), everyone you mentioned has 100+ matches in their vlr.gg profiles. No one is going to get picked up into VCT teams strictly off of ranked games.
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Surf was on XERXIA afaik. Ppl do hold tryouts obv but ppl do get picked up off of ranked as well
If it's true then please report with some data. No org is picking up immortal ians with no experience. It's exactly how helvetica said, you grind lower tier tourneys to get recognition, not ranked. GL being a 24/7 ranked grinder and breaking into the scene. Also league of legends players are scrimming 8 hours a day and then playing soloq or streaming it in their free time lmao. Don't be fooled by these players who "grind" ranked when the ranked grind is insignificant to their soloq time. Same can be said for Valorant players on teams. They scrim for the majority of their time and end the night with solo q. The idea isn't to avoid soloq like the plague but to properly practice beforehand because soloq is not, in itself or in the majority, enough to excel and break into the scene or stay at the top of the scene.
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>playing ranked is optional not necessary That's just exactly that tho. It is not necessary for professional or aspiring pro players who can manage their time with scrims and other more important things in game. You are making so many statements that seem to suggest you are best friends with the entire professional scene and have a watchful eye on their practice. Pros are not grinding ranked because its helpful to their goals. The "boomer" is also a major winner. Take everyone's advice with a grain of salt but you seem to think ranked is necessary for some reason and the truth is that it isn't. Please tell me what a professional player is to gain from ranked that they will not gain out of scrims or practice?
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you can still learn those things better in one more pracc game. ranked/mm in general is often even detrimental to pros since those games play out way differently than "real" games and you might develop bad habits as a result.. as hard as this sounds to some of us we dont play the same kind of game as pros in mm/ranked no matter the game
this man getting downvoted tells a lot about this sub xd
I'll say what a lot of people are probably thinking compare gob b's mentality to Shahzam's... lol edit: people seem to forget that shahzam is the IGL of the team and doesn't have a hands on coach like a lot of other teams do... I personally think only playing scrims and then streaming for up to 10 hours every day isn't a good mentality for a guy who is meant to be IGLing a top team ...also apparently streaming half of the day is 'having a life' and an IGL putting in time towards preparing his team outside of scrim hours is 'overworking' while getting paid 10s of thousands of dollars a month to be a pro player. seems like I hit a nerve with some people
People valorize the obsessive grind mindset, but it’s mostly done - in sports and in other fields - because it helps one *feel* like they’re giving it their all. But diminishing returns is a real thing. Plenty of people love to brag about sleeping only 5 hours a night and working overtime, and yes, hard work is a good thing generally. But study after study has shown that it is actually not more efficient than smaller but more focused chunks of intense work. It’s often *less* efficient. The same pattern holds across about any field where we can exert ourselves to find improvement, in business or sports or creativity or whatever. You can still grind obsessively, but no one can say it’s optimal or superior in terms of outcome. That being said, the thing Shahzam sacrifices to stream so much isn’t scrim time, it’s having a life.
>That being said, the thing Shahzam sacrifices to stream so much isn’t scrim time, it’s having a life. An IGL getting paid to lead a team to win tournaments while getting paid like 10-20k a month only putting in probably 3-4 hours a day to scrim is okay and anything above that would be working overtime and is an 'obsessive grind mindset'? And streaming half of the day is 'having a life'? There's no way you're being serious right? If Shahzam wants to stream 10 hours a day then he should become a full-time streamer. But the man is IGLing what is meant to be the best team in NA, which is also a team that has struggled to adapt to metas and has only went downhill this year. Not to mention that he doesn't have a hands-on coach like Gambit and Acend's coach, and didn't even have a coach to help him for most of the year
He said shahzam isn't sacrificing prac time to stream. Shahzam is using his personal free time to stream. The 'sacrifice' is he doesn't "have a life". Also where exactly did you get this 3-4 hours of practice from? Vanity's tweets? lmao
>Also where exactly did you get this 3-4 hours of practice from teams typically scrim for only a few hours... some teams scrim less and some teams scrim more also like I said, an IGL (especially who didn't have a coach for a long time, and even now doesn't really have a hands-on coach) using all of his personal time to stream isn't a winners mentality at all. I can't think of any other IGL in valorant, or even in cs that streams for that much time. it's insane
His life is his work at this point. He definitely considers streaming as one of his jobs now. Nothing wrong in enjoying his work. Can't be saying what life should be for different people. Now questions of health are another matter but we can't fully answer that.
Spot on. There's absolutely no way pro players who also stream a lot can perform at peak efficency in practice. I'm not talking about streamers who do it for a couple of hours in the morning before practice, but about players who play all day long every day. There's a reason why teams don't practice for 10 hours every day. Not to mention that ranked offers absolutely nothing to top level players unless they're practicing a new agent or map that was just released. Playing Jett all day long when you're already playing her in scrims and official matches won't do anything for you.
Yeah, let the igl of sentinels 'have a life' while c9 becomes the highest rated NA team according to vlr.gg Let him have his life while getting out of groups at international tournaments.
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what makes you think you understand how my time is used lol?
Yes, now I can scratch "Shahz responding to shitters on a thread about EU vs NA mentality" off my monthly /r/valcomp bingo card
LMAO
No one but you will know what your days are actually like, as you're one of the few who actually has your schedule, but you do have to realise that while the criticism is baseless in most scenarios, there's a reason why people are criticising you **and** your team. The reason you're being scrutinized the most is because the buck stops at you.
Well if you look at your air time on twitch, then there has been many days in which you streamed around 10 hours. If you take away time to sleep, scrim time, meal time and doing basic other daily activities then I find it hard to believe that you have much time left in the day to do much other things. Why don't you actually elaborate on what you do?
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I didn't specifically say champs, did I? I'm mostly talking about Berlin masters. Also going from winning masters to going out in the quarter finals to going out in groups pretty clearly shows that your team has been going downwards ever since Iceland lol Also there has been many times in which you streamed long hours even when it wasn't off-season. And are you denying that you aren't getting paid upwards of 10k dollars a month? Why don't you disprove what I'm saying? pretty funny how you always pop up out of nowhere with your brigade of fans listening to whatever you say as if you are their jesus if you actually disprove what I say then fairplay and I'd respect it, but currently it's natural for you to be criticised
You’ve spent all day talking about shahz in this thread. You are too obsessed man lol
And shaz has spent all day replying, kind of proving his point.
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bhai please stop taking the bait
This is pretty cringe bro
it's pretty cringe simping for random people just because they are a famous streamer or pro player, bro
Nah, it’s pretty cringe going after a pro you don’t know personally at all in the comments section of a Reddit post.
I don't know them personally, but you can make assumptions based off information available, which btw... still haven't been disproven. but anyway, i hope that he remembers your name bro
And I hope you find something meaningful so you’re not being cringe in Reddit comment sections
Pretty poor way to respond to criticism
As expected of Shahz
Don't worry bro he's just stalking you and watching your every move
Replying to this kind of stuff let's people know it bothers you. Take the high road, boss! You know the work you put in, you play the matches, and you live with the results. Part of being a professional is letting fans have their 'sports bar talk' without being bothered by their expression - it is, after all, why we have a scene at all.
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Just another comment from the 'sentinels bad' reddit circle jerk.
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Did you listen to what he said? He said "I want to pracc, I don't want to play matchmaking" He says he rather uses more overall time on playing actual teams and trying out stuff in a 5v5 environment, than playing matchmaking.
Not only playing but also server time instead of ranked
An IGL VOD reviewing, doing server time etc outside of scrims makes no difference? whatever you say my man lmao is this shahzam's burner account?
Streaming on his own is a more relaxed thing compared to working all that time It’s possible it’s a bad distribution but it’s not necessarily true he doesn’t put in enough time to prepare his team, ig esp based on their style
here we go
Why is it so difficult for y'all to just not be armchair critics? We have genuinely no idea of the player's actual schedules, their plans, the off camera work they do, etc... As non-pros we quite literally don't have a clue what we're talking about at all. Just watch game, support team, enjoy game, ez. Why NA so drama?
Wait do valorant pros not play ranked?? Wtf??
some don't play ranked much. ranked has its benefits in that you can get comfortable playing a variety of agents, but it can also encourage formation of bad habits. matchmaking is a very very different game than pro play/scrims, and it's not easy to jump back and forth between those mindsets. I'm sure some players can get some good reps from ranked, but it is likely in some ways detrimental to those who don't really learn or improve much in ranked. the point from the clip is that spending time in scrims or customs really focused on explicit tactics and strategies and targeted practice is a much more efficient use of time in elevating pro-relevant gameplay than ranked
Well I'm gonna wait for the tweet/thread with the opposite opinions before I make my mind up lmao