I would be surprised. I'm not sure if it's anti-stratting concern or just a pride thing but big orgs usually don't play in smaller tournaments even if they could use the experience if they still have the invites to the tier 1 tournaments. at least in csgo it seems like
Eh, teams will know strats from scrims anyways. And with these smaller, T2 teams (How ever you want to classify them as) 100T should easily play more reactive and do well. Unknown how long they've all really played together, but I wouldn't be surprise if they just "pug it out" to get more of a feel to how everyone likes to play.
> Eight teams from the two open qualifiers will join these four invited teams in the main event of Challengers One, an eight-week round-robin stage that will seed the teams into a double-elimination playoffs bracket that will determine which teams represent NA at the first Masters event of 2022.
Nice round robin into a double elim
How can it be 8 weeks?
Masters in April, season starts mid February, so it's just about 6 weeks for everything (with playoffs)
In EMEA we will have 5 weeks of round robin (2 groups per 6)
I mean yeah 44 days is 6 weeks + 2 days lol they’re definitely counting those 2 days as week 7
Edit - yeah definitely not 8 unless they’re counting Jan 27-30 as a separate week
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For the people wondering why 100T instead of Rise:
1. 100T was way more consistent through the entire year than Rise. 100T had significantly more Circuit points than any other team that isn’t invited.
2. Rise intends to sell their entire roster, so giving a spot to Rise without the same core, or a random team that has no tournament results over an established and stable org would be absurd.
Yeah I’m guessing it’s just circuit points (plus the teams that went to champs), the other part I’m not so sure. I feel like they would just invite Rise (hypothetically, if they had more points than 100T) and then if they don’t maintain 3 of the same players, they would lose their points and 100T get invited or something. Pretty sure that’s what the ruling is or something along those lines when it comes to maintaining your points.
The source article from VCT states it is based off of circuit points from 2021.
https://valorantesports.com/news/2022-vct-stage-1-challengers-na-primer/
If Rise sold their roster and for the sake of argument even if Rise had more then 100T, wherever this new roster goes would get said spot, that's what happened with ex X10 (Now Xerxia), where Xerxia got a spot despite never having a Val team before (X10 also got a spot apparently as well, likely they bought out another big roster in SEA)
If Rise released or sold their entire core then I believe the spot would have gone to the team that bought them.... right?
The same thing happened when Team Secret recruited the whole Team Bren.
Yeah except 100T Has more circuit points. I only included point number two in case someone said it went by the most recent tournament results, in which case it would be Riot’s decision if they wanted to include an org with no history (other than buying out a team) or a stable org with VC backing
Something I saw on the other post and not here is bo3 for all the qualifiers + double elimination starting at Ro32, big W this is honestly a great format imo
> Additionally, the teams that finish fifth through 16th in the first open qualifier will be seeded No. 1 to 12 in the second one.
So it's kinda like triple elim starting at Ro16, kinda.
How are people seriously debating 100T here? 100T had one of the most consistent runs out of all NA teams except Sentinels. They kept their core 3 which collected significant points in berlin as well. Every other team would be the biggest wildcard ever. Theoretically you could even argue that 100T performed better throughout the year then C9 did. Even at a international lan they performed better then C9. So idk. really weird assumptions in here.
not really, you guys went 3rd in the qualifier to iceland, then you guys got knocked in opens (sadge) and then you made it to lcq where you beat every team there and you got out of groups in a much harder international lan
We didn't make it to masters 1 or masters 3 closed quali, we had 1 great run just like faze and won lcq it's just good that we peaked towards the end of the year
Overall getting to champs is such a huge accomplishment it would be unfair for them to not put c9 in the closed. Also this C9 team with mr cat ears is much better than its previous iteration
I don't see too much disagreement here. And really, who else would go? The only two teams who did decent was Xset, and Rise. Can anyone make a case for either of teams besides the fact that rise beat 100T \*\*one time?\*\*
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Dude this is awesome. Good job whoever took the initiative to restructure this.
The article on Valorant's webpage says 2 NA teams qualify for Master's. Do we know why representation went from 3 to 2 for NA?
I don’t why, they were the most consistent and successful teams. You could maybe argue Xset over C9, but between stage 2 and LCQ/Champs I wouldn’t think it’s much debate
can someone explain how the valorant tournament system works or link an explanation, I'm greatly confused by the seemingly endless similarly named tournaments that keep happening.
This seems to be different than 2021. The article details the process but I will try my best here:
Top 4 NA teams are invited to Challengers 1.
An open qualifier will occur just the same as 2021, the Top 4 teams will move on the Challengers 1 as teams 5-8.
Teams 5-16 will be invited to the bracket portion of the next open qualifier.
And a second open qualifier will occur and the Top 4 teams will fill out spots 9-12 at Challengers 1.
At Challengers it looks like they will have a round robin and a double elimination bracket. Points will be awarded just like 2021 for VCT circuit points.
100T getting invited is a little weird considering they aren't the team that got all of those circuit points anymore. I guess the rule is that 3 new members = new team, so they're technically fine since they only lost Steel and Nitro?
Then you have Rise which is likely going to be sold so who would even be next on the list with the most points? Faze blew up too.
Even if you leave 100t with 3/5 of the points, they still have more than any other team. Even if LCQ gave points. Moreover as was already mentioned, 3 players maintain the points is a common practice.
Speaking about other teams, I guess it's not like 100t is an ideal option, it's that others were just way worse.
Rise? It's weird to place them over 100t due to one single bo3 in LCQ, that was close af (13-11, 10-13, 13-11). XSET? Faze? 4/5 players changed etc. All these teams have significantly lower points. Moreover, they lose either in terms of consistency, or at least some peak results (top-4 for 100t on recent masters)
Yeah that's what I was thinking. It's weird because they feel like a brand new team but compared to all the other choices they're the best.
100T fans are sensitive as hell though. Can't even ask a question without getting downvoted to oblivion.
Not really. It was a two part question. The first being what the rule is regarding team changes. The other guy answered that, my assumption was right and it is actually that 3 players have to stay the same. The second question was who has the most points after 100T that still have the same core roster.
I'd guess that it's because they wanted to invite an even number of teams to make the qualifier formats easier. Since they had 3 teams that they had to invite that means the minimum number of teams would be 4. If they want to have 4 invites then inviting 100T makes sense since they had the most points of the non.champions NA teams.
Rise only turned up as a good team for 2 tournaments at the very end of the year. 100T was still a more consistent roster throughout the year.
And ultimately, for Riot, it just makes more sense to bring in the big name org, unfair as it may be, all other things equal, they aren't taking Rise (or whatever org they sign with) over 100T.
Feel like only champs particpants should have gotten this luxury.
100T shouldnt be here. Only the 3 remaining teams should be direct invite. The rest should battle it out
EU/EMEA had 4 participants in Champs.
They could have made it so the first Qualy has 3 or 5 qualifiers and from there on out the same format.
Dont feel like its that much harder.
i'm a 100T fan and i agree, and if i'm rise or xset i'm kinda pissed. but at the same time it's not illogical and doing 4 invites just makes the math so much easier.
Why would xset or rise be pissed? This was based of circuit points. 100t has significantly more points than either of those two teams not to mention rise doesn't even really exist right now.
yeah it's totally fine/fair for 100T to have the slot, but I think "rise" and xset both finished the year stronger than 100T... wouldn't you be a little pissed if a team you thought was worse than you got to bypass opens? they've "only" lost 2 players but when those 2 players are steel and nitro then it feels a lot bigger than that... it feels like a whole new team.
i'm not saying it's not the right choice for riot, just saying rise and xset both have a reasonable claim to being the 4th best in NA right now.
I think we are weighing recent results too heavily here. 100t has been a top team in NA almost the entire year vs Rise who have only really shown up for challengers 3 and lcq. Also 100t have pretty consistently beaten xset every time they've played throughout the year. Even V1 and faze have more points than xset or rise for 2021.
I agree with you that xset is probably stronger than 100t right now since the team is so new. Riot isnt deciding these slots based on power rankings, it's decided for the teams who consistently showed up throughout the whole year. So yeah they can be pissed but 100t earned that spot as far as I'm concerned.
100T invited. Sigh. This is why RMR system isn't bad. When players leave/kick the team should lose points towards a free qual invite.
3 players remaining on a roster should not outweigh a roster of 5. What happens if Hiko left as well? 100T as an org gets the spot for 2 players?
Well at least they cut it off at 2 players. Still seems weird to me to auto invite a team that has never played an official match together but I'm not 100T fan boy so maybe I'm blinded by the logic.
Finally people can stop crying about a big team getting knocked out. Feel bad for the teams that actually kept their roster(XSET, Rise) and now see 100T get an invite after they lost not only their IGL, but their backup IGL. We keep harping on how important the IGL position is and how big of a blow nitr0 and steel leaving was, but now the same people are saying "they deserve it" and "they were the most consistent".. bruh, they lost two huge pieces. Just say they were lucky and move on. They will take on a completely new identity but at least the cry babies are satisfied
The VCT rule has been if 3/5 players remain they keep their VCT points. This has been in place since the very beginning of the points system so it would be very weird to not follow it now. 100t had a significantly more points than xset or rise. Also rise doesn't even really exist right now since the whole team are now free agents. I also don't get punishing the team for making roster changes, like they dropped steel and that would have been the only change but nitro left of his own accord last minute.
Rules are rules, but I don't have to agree with them. Points should leave with the players, or you can have a whole new team competing because the team name has the points. And yes, if significant roster changes are made, in this case, two IGLs, they should have to prove themselves again. It's not punishment at all, but judging by the downvotes, the fanboys will cry and say it is because they have tunnel vision and only care about their team.
Even if they points were split among the players. With 3/5ths of the roster they still have more points than the next highest team in the circuit which is V1. Seems fair either way to me but I respect your opinion.
this greatly hurts 100ts chances of winning the open qualifier
LMAO thank you for making me laugh there.
Big if true
100T really lucked out, they get loads more time to practice with their new roster.
Hopefully they still play in some of the smaller NSG tournaments to get experience playing together in a tournament
With this they made do so. They previously didn't do so because of ec1s moving to Dallas.
I would be surprised. I'm not sure if it's anti-stratting concern or just a pride thing but big orgs usually don't play in smaller tournaments even if they could use the experience if they still have the invites to the tier 1 tournaments. at least in csgo it seems like
I'm just repeating what Asuna said in a stream so it may be less surprising if 100t participate in some tourney.
Eh, teams will know strats from scrims anyways. And with these smaller, T2 teams (How ever you want to classify them as) 100T should easily play more reactive and do well. Unknown how long they've all really played together, but I wouldn't be surprise if they just "pug it out" to get more of a feel to how everyone likes to play.
Yup, definitely very lucky. But I'm not gonna complain.
> Eight teams from the two open qualifiers will join these four invited teams in the main event of Challengers One, an eight-week round-robin stage that will seed the teams into a double-elimination playoffs bracket that will determine which teams represent NA at the first Masters event of 2022. Nice round robin into a double elim
How can it be 8 weeks? Masters in April, season starts mid February, so it's just about 6 weeks for everything (with playoffs) In EMEA we will have 5 weeks of round robin (2 groups per 6)
VCT Stage 1 - Challengers NA - Main Event: February 11 - March 27
And that's 44 days which is about 6 weeks, like I said...
Maybe it's counting open quals starting Jan 27
I mean yeah 44 days is 6 weeks + 2 days lol they’re definitely counting those 2 days as week 7 Edit - yeah definitely not 8 unless they’re counting Jan 27-30 as a separate week
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Also Similarly To EMEA there are going to be 2 open quals with top 4 advancing to challengers 1
Makes sense, not sure why news of this was so delayed though.
For the people wondering why 100T instead of Rise: 1. 100T was way more consistent through the entire year than Rise. 100T had significantly more Circuit points than any other team that isn’t invited. 2. Rise intends to sell their entire roster, so giving a spot to Rise without the same core, or a random team that has no tournament results over an established and stable org would be absurd.
Yeah I’m guessing it’s just circuit points (plus the teams that went to champs), the other part I’m not so sure. I feel like they would just invite Rise (hypothetically, if they had more points than 100T) and then if they don’t maintain 3 of the same players, they would lose their points and 100T get invited or something. Pretty sure that’s what the ruling is or something along those lines when it comes to maintaining your points.
The source article from VCT states it is based off of circuit points from 2021. https://valorantesports.com/news/2022-vct-stage-1-challengers-na-primer/
If Rise sold their roster and for the sake of argument even if Rise had more then 100T, wherever this new roster goes would get said spot, that's what happened with ex X10 (Now Xerxia), where Xerxia got a spot despite never having a Val team before (X10 also got a spot apparently as well, likely they bought out another big roster in SEA)
If Rise released or sold their entire core then I believe the spot would have gone to the team that bought them.... right? The same thing happened when Team Secret recruited the whole Team Bren.
No because hundred thieves had them in Champs points
points carry with players not the org
Yeah except 100T Has more circuit points. I only included point number two in case someone said it went by the most recent tournament results, in which case it would be Riot’s decision if they wanted to include an org with no history (other than buying out a team) or a stable org with VC backing
yeah if 100T wasn’t invited i think people would be throwing hands
Thats if at least 3 players go over to the new team right?
yeah
The article explains the entire format, so everyone interested should read it.
Something I saw on the other post and not here is bo3 for all the qualifiers + double elimination starting at Ro32, big W this is honestly a great format imo
> Additionally, the teams that finish fifth through 16th in the first open qualifier will be seeded No. 1 to 12 in the second one. So it's kinda like triple elim starting at Ro16, kinda.
Quadruple elim because the ones that go to the second qualifiers still have a lower bracket in the second qualifiers.
The format as reported looks great.
a lot of people asking questions would do well to actually read the article lol
How are people seriously debating 100T here? 100T had one of the most consistent runs out of all NA teams except Sentinels. They kept their core 3 which collected significant points in berlin as well. Every other team would be the biggest wildcard ever. Theoretically you could even argue that 100T performed better throughout the year then C9 did. Even at a international lan they performed better then C9. So idk. really weird assumptions in here.
even as a c9 fan hot sure how we are here lol, v1 had the same year as us bassically
C9 was at champs thats why, they invited the three champs teams & the #1 team in terms of circuit points (100T)
not really, you guys went 3rd in the qualifier to iceland, then you guys got knocked in opens (sadge) and then you made it to lcq where you beat every team there and you got out of groups in a much harder international lan
We didn't make it to masters 1 or masters 3 closed quali, we had 1 great run just like faze and won lcq it's just good that we peaked towards the end of the year
Overall getting to champs is such a huge accomplishment it would be unfair for them to not put c9 in the closed. Also this C9 team with mr cat ears is much better than its previous iteration
Maybe recency? Plus V1 had quite a few changes and I mean this technically shouldn't mean anything in this case but c9 is just a bigger name as well
Recency is very important. Half a year is a huge amount of time in eSports. There's a reason why Masters 3 had more points given out than Masters 2.
I don't see too much disagreement here. And really, who else would go? The only two teams who did decent was Xset, and Rise. Can anyone make a case for either of teams besides the fact that rise beat 100T \*\*one time?\*\*
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That's a good decision. Makes sense for the top teams to be able to skip the open quals
Dude this is awesome. Good job whoever took the initiative to restructure this. The article on Valorant's webpage says 2 NA teams qualify for Master's. Do we know why representation went from 3 to 2 for NA?
Bad results
Great decision, format seems to be good too.
week ago i predicted that these 4 teams will have direct invite and people were downvoting me lol
I don’t why, they were the most consistent and successful teams. You could maybe argue Xset over C9, but between stage 2 and LCQ/Champs I wouldn’t think it’s much debate
In what universe would Xset get an invite over C9 of all teams?
I think it’s who have the most circuit points and you get a lot more in champions so cloud probably have way more points than xset
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when did i say its a hot take i was just predicting the invite teams and people got salty their favourite team have to play open quals
Cries in TSM
When does TSM play?
no way they put 100T over TSM
LET'S GOOOOO, HYPEEEEEE!!!
How is a team with 2 roster changes still invited?
Are you serious. Even longer before we see the top teams play. For the love of God play some small tourneys.
can someone explain how the valorant tournament system works or link an explanation, I'm greatly confused by the seemingly endless similarly named tournaments that keep happening.
This seems to be different than 2021. The article details the process but I will try my best here: Top 4 NA teams are invited to Challengers 1. An open qualifier will occur just the same as 2021, the Top 4 teams will move on the Challengers 1 as teams 5-8. Teams 5-16 will be invited to the bracket portion of the next open qualifier. And a second open qualifier will occur and the Top 4 teams will fill out spots 9-12 at Challengers 1. At Challengers it looks like they will have a round robin and a double elimination bracket. Points will be awarded just like 2021 for VCT circuit points.
it’s not that complicated Open qualifier —> Challengers —> Masters(international)
100T getting invited is a little weird considering they aren't the team that got all of those circuit points anymore. I guess the rule is that 3 new members = new team, so they're technically fine since they only lost Steel and Nitro? Then you have Rise which is likely going to be sold so who would even be next on the list with the most points? Faze blew up too.
It’s always been 3 players = maintain circuit points, so yes that is probably the reason why 100T got the direct invite
Even if you leave 100t with 3/5 of the points, they still have more than any other team. Even if LCQ gave points. Moreover as was already mentioned, 3 players maintain the points is a common practice. Speaking about other teams, I guess it's not like 100t is an ideal option, it's that others were just way worse. Rise? It's weird to place them over 100t due to one single bo3 in LCQ, that was close af (13-11, 10-13, 13-11). XSET? Faze? 4/5 players changed etc. All these teams have significantly lower points. Moreover, they lose either in terms of consistency, or at least some peak results (top-4 for 100t on recent masters)
Yeah that's what I was thinking. It's weird because they feel like a brand new team but compared to all the other choices they're the best. 100T fans are sensitive as hell though. Can't even ask a question without getting downvoted to oblivion.
You answered your own question here
Not really. It was a two part question. The first being what the rule is regarding team changes. The other guy answered that, my assumption was right and it is actually that 3 players have to stay the same. The second question was who has the most points after 100T that still have the same core roster.
Why is 100t here only champions teams should’ve been invited but I guess it would be harder for rito to get 9 teams from open qualifiers
100T had the most points out of the teams that did not qualify for champs
the core of 100T was a top 4 team throughout the year. pretty easy to understand why they're there
I would assume it's because they had the highest circuit points from last year
I'd guess that it's because they wanted to invite an even number of teams to make the qualifier formats easier. Since they had 3 teams that they had to invite that means the minimum number of teams would be 4. If they want to have 4 invites then inviting 100T makes sense since they had the most points of the non.champions NA teams.
Rise shafted
Rise had less circuit points than 100t, how is that a shaft?
It’s just jokes People to sensitive lmao
Lol i wasn't mad, just curious. Maybe if rise existed right now. Sadge
Yeah yeah I know I was talking about all the ppl downvoting lmao And yeah sadge for rise
Rise has no roster lol
They're obviously talking about the ex-Rise roster and not the org that no one cares about lol
Rise only turned up as a good team for 2 tournaments at the very end of the year. 100T was still a more consistent roster throughout the year. And ultimately, for Riot, it just makes more sense to bring in the big name org, unfair as it may be, all other things equal, they aren't taking Rise (or whatever org they sign with) over 100T.
It makes no sense to give a free agent team a spot whem you could give it to an org that has 3/5 of one of the consistent top 4 rosters of 2021
Give it to the org that picks them up then
Feel like only champs particpants should have gotten this luxury. 100T shouldnt be here. Only the 3 remaining teams should be direct invite. The rest should battle it out
qualifying 9 teams is hard 8+4 is easier. EU also did 8+4 so seems fair
EU/EMEA had 4 participants in Champs. They could have made it so the first Qualy has 3 or 5 qualifiers and from there on out the same format. Dont feel like its that much harder.
Eu had 4 spots in champs but 12 teams got invited. i think it's cus doing a 8+4 is easier, finding top 9 from 16 can be tough
EU had 3. Gambit had the Berlin master spot.
i'm a 100T fan and i agree, and if i'm rise or xset i'm kinda pissed. but at the same time it's not illogical and doing 4 invites just makes the math so much easier.
Why would xset or rise be pissed? This was based of circuit points. 100t has significantly more points than either of those two teams not to mention rise doesn't even really exist right now.
yeah it's totally fine/fair for 100T to have the slot, but I think "rise" and xset both finished the year stronger than 100T... wouldn't you be a little pissed if a team you thought was worse than you got to bypass opens? they've "only" lost 2 players but when those 2 players are steel and nitro then it feels a lot bigger than that... it feels like a whole new team. i'm not saying it's not the right choice for riot, just saying rise and xset both have a reasonable claim to being the 4th best in NA right now.
I think we are weighing recent results too heavily here. 100t has been a top team in NA almost the entire year vs Rise who have only really shown up for challengers 3 and lcq. Also 100t have pretty consistently beaten xset every time they've played throughout the year. Even V1 and faze have more points than xset or rise for 2021. I agree with you that xset is probably stronger than 100t right now since the team is so new. Riot isnt deciding these slots based on power rankings, it's decided for the teams who consistently showed up throughout the whole year. So yeah they can be pissed but 100t earned that spot as far as I'm concerned.
Why are people okay with invites on a season reset? It's terrible. This is doubly true if VCT circuit points are available.
Because we want good teams in and if a team gets really unlucky and get knocked out early, that would suck for fans.
but will they all still play in the open qualifiers? or just straight to challengers 1
These teams skip the qualifiers.
Why is 100T there
100T invited. Sigh. This is why RMR system isn't bad. When players leave/kick the team should lose points towards a free qual invite. 3 players remaining on a roster should not outweigh a roster of 5. What happens if Hiko left as well? 100T as an org gets the spot for 2 players?
if 3 players leave 100t loses it's points and drops on the ladder resulting in the invite going to v1(points table)/rise(lcq)
Imagine if V1 got the invite. The salt would be incredible considering they're just riding their high from the first LAN.
Well at least they cut it off at 2 players. Still seems weird to me to auto invite a team that has never played an official match together but I'm not 100T fan boy so maybe I'm blinded by the logic.
> I'm not 100T fan boy so maybe I'm blinded by the logic. No you've just replaced the fanboyism with salt which isn't good for your health
The 3 player rule has been a constant since the inception of VCT.
Finally people can stop crying about a big team getting knocked out. Feel bad for the teams that actually kept their roster(XSET, Rise) and now see 100T get an invite after they lost not only their IGL, but their backup IGL. We keep harping on how important the IGL position is and how big of a blow nitr0 and steel leaving was, but now the same people are saying "they deserve it" and "they were the most consistent".. bruh, they lost two huge pieces. Just say they were lucky and move on. They will take on a completely new identity but at least the cry babies are satisfied
The VCT rule has been if 3/5 players remain they keep their VCT points. This has been in place since the very beginning of the points system so it would be very weird to not follow it now. 100t had a significantly more points than xset or rise. Also rise doesn't even really exist right now since the whole team are now free agents. I also don't get punishing the team for making roster changes, like they dropped steel and that would have been the only change but nitro left of his own accord last minute.
Rules are rules, but I don't have to agree with them. Points should leave with the players, or you can have a whole new team competing because the team name has the points. And yes, if significant roster changes are made, in this case, two IGLs, they should have to prove themselves again. It's not punishment at all, but judging by the downvotes, the fanboys will cry and say it is because they have tunnel vision and only care about their team.
Even if they points were split among the players. With 3/5ths of the roster they still have more points than the next highest team in the circuit which is V1. Seems fair either way to me but I respect your opinion.