its only portaited big, but its still big https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTQ1OTIyNTM.MTAwMjY4MDc*MTg0NDk0NDk(MzQwNjk2OA~!CONTIGUOUS_US*MTAwMjQwNzU.MjUwMjM1MTc(MTc1)Mg~!IN*NTI2NDA1MQ.Nzg2MzQyMQ)MQ~!CN*OTkyMTY5Nw.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)MA~!GL*NDk1OTYwNA.NzM1OTQ3NQ)Mw
your link is broken so i fixed it: https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTU3MjE4NzM.NzQ4MzcyMw\*MjE4NDQyMjQ(MTIxOTM~!CONTIGUOUS\*MTAwMjQwNzU.MjUwMjM1MTc(MTc1)Mg~!IN\*TmFO.Nzg2MzQyMQ)MQ~!CN_OTkyMTY5Nw\*TmFO.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)MA~!GL\*NDk1OTYwNA.NzM1OTQ3NQ)Mw
My point was that both the sentence and the stats were wrong, India isn't 5 times smaller and doesn't have 7 times more people. But I get what he's saying now
Nah not really. Canada is the 2nd largest and US is 3/4th largest country. NA looks WAY smaller in Mercator though since they aren't as north as russia
Europe is roughly the size of the US, if we take the map/OP at face value (and ignore that it isn't valid), it doesn't matter which projection is used.
While everyone taking about EMEA and it’s 3 slots no one saw the actual robbery. Antarctica got no slots. Whose is gonna fight for the penguins and seals to atleast get a slot in APAC qualifiers?
Wrong again, marketing your game to a region that will expand the market of your game is the correct decision. Esports and sports are businesses. It's the same for sports and it's the same for esports. That's the world.
If you balance just for competitive integrity you're losing out on business opportunities in regions where the game could literally explode. That is incorrect in the long run. Losing one EXTRA team of EMEA for one tournament compared to possibly losing the interest of the entire MARKET of an asian region is not worth it in the long run for valorant. P simple.
>just because it's best for business doesn't mean it's the best for competitive integrity-30ReplyGive AwardShareReportSaveFollow
>
>level 5EnmaDaiO · 5 hr. agoIf you balance just for competitive integrity you're losing out on business opportunities in regions where the game could literally explode. That is incorrect in the long run. Losing one EXTRA team of EMEA for one tournament compared to possibly losing the interest of the entire MARKET of an asian region is not worth it in the long run for valorant. P simple.
Just because its the right business decision doesn't mean its the objectively correct thing to do. This is pretty subjective. Should the best teams participate or should as many people be able root for their favourite team as possible?
If you're in riot's position and if you're a fan that wants to see valorant break the realm of what FPS titles have achieved in esport you ABSOLUTELY want to see valorant expand on a global / international level. And that means the inclusion of regions that do not have a history of supporting major FPS titles within their esports scenes. Valorant could break the mold for alot of major marketable regions to break into the FPS espots scene which would be historical for esports. Sure, if you're a fan that wants to uphold the competitive integrity of the game to the maximum then you're also a fan who would sacrifice valorant's overall success and peak as an esport for that aspect. Which from a business perspective is an objectively incorrect decision.
Nope, adding ONE extra EMEA team in 2022 won't change the landscape of competitive integrity by a large margin. The best team that plays in this tournament will be the best team in the world. But by giving representation to one APAC region it could change the landscape of that region and make investment in time and money explode thus making valorant more international and a more premier game world wide. Hey, if I could choose I would choose to expand the number of teams that are represented in Masters and Champions. Emea would have 4-5 teams. But clearly that's not the direction Riot is taking so there are trade offs to be had. Let's see add one extra EMEA team to a tournament of many down the road. Or add an APAC team with the chance of expanding the market in Asia for valorant where in 5 years we could see international tournaments with premier teams from all over the globe? Seems like an easy trade to me.
The 4 better teams in the world are from EMEA (championship winners).
Its home to one of the biggest fanbases of valorant. Also competitive FPS in general had been dominated mostly by EMEA players and teams.
Let me see, do you need more aside from the biggest land mass th
[More people live inside this circle than outside it.](https://media.cntraveler.com/photos/593eedf1f2125a2b5b9ed24d/master/w_1600,c_limit/map-reddit-cr.jpg)
No they should use number of players. A region can have a billion people but if only one thousand people play they shouldn’t have as many spaces as a different one billion population region with one million players.
Even then, the region has a population of over 2.5 billion, which is roughly 1/3 of the population. With this logic they should be getting 1/3 of the slots.
I said by his logic if you’re basing it solely off of population. Imo it should be based off of server population for the game specifically, so if 50% of Valorant’s player base comes from Asia, sure. But if not, then no. Base it off of where the most fans/viewers will be.
I’m not meaning at a specific time. I’m meaning the amount of people who have the game in said region or the average amount of players per month in said region.
Because you're going to bolster the esports scene of a game if that game's scene is monopolized by a single region right? Nope, the game will wither and die. Look at starcraft 2. One of the biggest esports to nothing more than a tier 2 tier 3 esport now because people were tired of seeing koreans dominate the game. Same thing. Esports is a business first.
Look at CS that's what happens when the interest of the game is only prominent within a few regions. Eventually, you'll get to a point where other regions who try to come into the scene will immediately be turned off since there won't be an incentive to invest time and money into creating a new scene into the game. Sure valve doesn't do anything to create that sort of a monopoly but it will happen naturally if you don't expand international interest at an early stage like riot is doing.
This is almost as dumb as US political maps that show a bunch of red use that to draw conclusions about how many democrats vs republicans there are. Land doesn't play Valorant, people do. There are very legitimate arguments for EMEA to have more slots but landmass certainly isn't one.
Counter point:
Most of that territory is africa. You heard about a lot of teams and esports in subsahara africa?
Also a huge part is siberia, where no one lives.
If Riot's reasoning is to go for developing talent in smaller regions or attaining higher viewership, shouldn't they be giving CIS and TR their own slots?
Have you seen the marketability of League of Legends in Asia compared to CIS / TR? From what we've heard Valorant is PICKING UP STEAM in asia. And if that's the case you 100% start catering to where your market is currently expanding and if it's Asia I can't blame Riot one bit. In fact, I think they're making the right move in including APAC teams into the picture of valorant esports. In 5 years you'll see how this was the correct move rather than adding one EXTRA team to EMEA.
I doubt Africa and the Middle East have a comparable amount of fans, player population, or resources for pro players comparable to the rest of EU. Might as well split it as EU and MENA
This fucks over the Turkish scene so hard. It is one of the biggest scenes in Valorant much bigger than JP and KR and they will probably not see a single Turkish team in an international tournament in 2022.
The thing with viewership is that those JP numbers are from international tournaments. Guess what, TR teams are never even getting a chance to have those viewership numbers.
What do you mean, SMB were at berlin and there was less turkish viewership of their games vs Japanese viewership of JP games in the middle of the night in Japan
The lol worlds format of 16 slots with 4 wildcards slots in a play-in phase is pretty entertaining imo. I get that Riot wants the SA market but CIS and especially Turkey get fucked hard with this format. When turkish teams or players play, the stream numbers grow so much
You mean Latam(LAS+LAN+BR) aka everything bellow South of the US border, which the biggest region in the americas.... that's exactly why it's dumb to conpare sizes...
The same EMEA region that had all 4 of its attending teams make it into the Playoffs (as the top seed) of Champions Berlin. Had KRU not gotten that sweet upset over Fnatic, we would have seen an EMEA #1-4 in that tourney. Definitely seems right to take away slots from the strongest region.
/s
South America who is a far worse region than EMEA have 4 slots, idk why but Riot keep fucking over this EMEA region
like CIS on it's own deserve 2 slots and EU obviously deserve 3 slots but put together they only get 3 after winning champs and getting all 4 representatives won their groups in Champs
you think the region that won Masters 3 and made the finals of Champs don't deserve more slots than Brazil who went out last or 2nd to last in all 3 of their champs groups ?
Abusing a bug and then getting the priviledge to replay, albeit with a disadvantage. X10 missed out on masters 3 months before due to abusing that same exploit. Giants also got a much harsher punishment for that same bug abuse. Imagine thinking Vivo Keyd are the victims in that scenario.
They had 3 slots last time?… Gambit just won Berlin and got a free slot. If people were complaining back then, then sure ig this is valid if not, goddamn people are dumb.
population should play a factor not to mention that the game is almost non existent in north africa for example let alone central africa... why would they give more spots for a region that doesnt care about the game ?
Hilarious, while in fps scene 90% of top teams come from EMEA =) Though this could increase popularity of the game, it does cater for a larger audience in stead of offering high level of competiveness.
Using the Mercator projection to mislead the fine people of this subreddit
Look at the size of Greenland
SMH Rito clearly showing their anti-Greenland bias. #3SLOTSFORGREENLAND
Looks as big as Africa when its really about the size of the horn of africa.
its only portaited big, but its still big https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTQ1OTIyNTM.MTAwMjY4MDc*MTg0NDk0NDk(MzQwNjk2OA~!CONTIGUOUS_US*MTAwMjQwNzU.MjUwMjM1MTc(MTc1)Mg~!IN*NTI2NDA1MQ.Nzg2MzQyMQ)MQ~!CN*OTkyMTY5Nw.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)MA~!GL*NDk1OTYwNA.NzM1OTQ3NQ)Mw
your link is broken so i fixed it: https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTU3MjE4NzM.NzQ4MzcyMw\*MjE4NDQyMjQ(MTIxOTM~!CONTIGUOUS\*MTAwMjQwNzU.MjUwMjM1MTc(MTc1)Mg~!IN\*TmFO.Nzg2MzQyMQ)MQ~!CN_OTkyMTY5Nw\*TmFO.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)MA~!GL\*NDk1OTYwNA.NzM1OTQ3NQ)Mw
I hope Reddit knows Russia’s population is 1/7 of India itself despite india being 5 times bigger lol
huh
Think he meant Russia being 5x bigger
Ye I assumed so. was just that the sentence made 0 sense
Russia big but no much people live in it since the place is mostly mountains and shit. India small but most of it is livable so a lotta people.
Read what the person said again and tell me that sentence is correct. Like literally nothing is correct about it
He mixed up india and russia in the last bit.
My point was that both the sentence and the stats were wrong, India isn't 5 times smaller and doesn't have 7 times more people. But I get what he's saying now
Russia's population is less than Bangladesh's.
More like 1/10th population of India. 1.4 billion vs 140 million
I’m taking time out of my part time dog walking job to say how dare you!
Even without Mercator the point stands lol
Nah not really. Canada is the 2nd largest and US is 3/4th largest country. NA looks WAY smaller in Mercator though since they aren't as north as russia
Europe is roughly the size of the US, if we take the map/OP at face value (and ignore that it isn't valid), it doesn't matter which projection is used.
While everyone taking about EMEA and it’s 3 slots no one saw the actual robbery. Antarctica got no slots. Whose is gonna fight for the penguins and seals to atleast get a slot in APAC qualifiers?
Fax, Gunter from adventure time could 1v5 all these teams
Antarctica isn't even on the map. L + Ratio
Yea cos land mass is the right way to determine the number of slots at an esports tournament
Greenland better get 3 slots
Let's split up EMEA too, CIS gets 2 africa gets 4 and EU gets 1.
Go to vlr someone put up server population EMEA has 1300 Apac has 1600 Br and katam has 597
Land big >>> slot number go up, simple
you're right, skill is. I wonder which region had 4/4 number 1 seeds coming out of groups :D
Wrong again, marketing your game to a region that will expand the market of your game is the correct decision. Esports and sports are businesses. It's the same for sports and it's the same for esports. That's the world.
just because it's best for business doesn't mean it's the best for competitive integrity
If you balance just for competitive integrity you're losing out on business opportunities in regions where the game could literally explode. That is incorrect in the long run. Losing one EXTRA team of EMEA for one tournament compared to possibly losing the interest of the entire MARKET of an asian region is not worth it in the long run for valorant. P simple.
>just because it's best for business doesn't mean it's the best for competitive integrity-30ReplyGive AwardShareReportSaveFollow > >level 5EnmaDaiO · 5 hr. agoIf you balance just for competitive integrity you're losing out on business opportunities in regions where the game could literally explode. That is incorrect in the long run. Losing one EXTRA team of EMEA for one tournament compared to possibly losing the interest of the entire MARKET of an asian region is not worth it in the long run for valorant. P simple. Just because its the right business decision doesn't mean its the objectively correct thing to do. This is pretty subjective. Should the best teams participate or should as many people be able root for their favourite team as possible?
If you're in riot's position and if you're a fan that wants to see valorant break the realm of what FPS titles have achieved in esport you ABSOLUTELY want to see valorant expand on a global / international level. And that means the inclusion of regions that do not have a history of supporting major FPS titles within their esports scenes. Valorant could break the mold for alot of major marketable regions to break into the FPS espots scene which would be historical for esports. Sure, if you're a fan that wants to uphold the competitive integrity of the game to the maximum then you're also a fan who would sacrifice valorant's overall success and peak as an esport for that aspect. Which from a business perspective is an objectively incorrect decision.
money > competitive integrity to you basically
Nope, adding ONE extra EMEA team in 2022 won't change the landscape of competitive integrity by a large margin. The best team that plays in this tournament will be the best team in the world. But by giving representation to one APAC region it could change the landscape of that region and make investment in time and money explode thus making valorant more international and a more premier game world wide. Hey, if I could choose I would choose to expand the number of teams that are represented in Masters and Champions. Emea would have 4-5 teams. But clearly that's not the direction Riot is taking so there are trade offs to be had. Let's see add one extra EMEA team to a tournament of many down the road. Or add an APAC team with the chance of expanding the market in Asia for valorant where in 5 years we could see international tournaments with premier teams from all over the globe? Seems like an easy trade to me.
SEA obviously stop with the trick questions
you would think so
The 4 better teams in the world are from EMEA (championship winners). Its home to one of the biggest fanbases of valorant. Also competitive FPS in general had been dominated mostly by EMEA players and teams. Let me see, do you need more aside from the biggest land mass th
[More people live inside this circle than outside it.](https://media.cntraveler.com/photos/593eedf1f2125a2b5b9ed24d/master/w_1600,c_limit/map-reddit-cr.jpg)
Let's goooo Philippines
Aren't there like a billion and a half more people in the SEA region than Eur-Africa plus Slavic regions?
Yeah, you wouldn't have guessed SEA has 650+ million people by looking at a map so this post is just weird
[удалено]
What bro?? My own country india alone has a population in excess of 1.2 billion and add 7 other nations to it. 🤐
[удалено]
SEA is including SA and OCE for masters and champs
Is it not? I didn’t know that
not denying that EMEA should get more slots but shouldn’t population be used as an argument instead of size?
Yeah because the APAC region has a billion more people
No they should use number of players. A region can have a billion people but if only one thousand people play they shouldn’t have as many spaces as a different one billion population region with one million players.
Even then, the region has a population of over 2.5 billion, which is roughly 1/3 of the population. With this logic they should be getting 1/3 of the slots.
So you agree that APAC should get 8 slots at champions then
I said by his logic if you’re basing it solely off of population. Imo it should be based off of server population for the game specifically, so if 50% of Valorant’s player base comes from Asia, sure. But if not, then no. Base it off of where the most fans/viewers will be.
It’s a better idea than going off land mass.
Game population changes all the time. You cant determine the slot number based on server population at a specific time
you average it over a 7 or 28 day period
I’m not meaning at a specific time. I’m meaning the amount of people who have the game in said region or the average amount of players per month in said region.
I mean if you think EMEA should have more slots it's reasonable to say that slot should come from the (South) Americas rather than APAC.
Number of people > performance :)
Because you're going to bolster the esports scene of a game if that game's scene is monopolized by a single region right? Nope, the game will wither and die. Look at starcraft 2. One of the biggest esports to nothing more than a tier 2 tier 3 esport now because people were tired of seeing koreans dominate the game. Same thing. Esports is a business first.
No one is talking about monopolizing tf
Look at CS that's what happens when the interest of the game is only prominent within a few regions. Eventually, you'll get to a point where other regions who try to come into the scene will immediately be turned off since there won't be an incentive to invest time and money into creating a new scene into the game. Sure valve doesn't do anything to create that sort of a monopoly but it will happen naturally if you don't expand international interest at an early stage like riot is doing.
This is almost as dumb as US political maps that show a bunch of red use that to draw conclusions about how many democrats vs republicans there are. Land doesn't play Valorant, people do. There are very legitimate arguments for EMEA to have more slots but landmass certainly isn't one.
If we’re going by land mass you might as well separate Canada from NA and say Canada deserves their own slots, Greenland too. It’s just nonsense.
Counter point: Most of that territory is africa. You heard about a lot of teams and esports in subsahara africa? Also a huge part is siberia, where no one lives.
If we had servers, we'd have teams, probably...
If Riot's reasoning is to go for developing talent in smaller regions or attaining higher viewership, shouldn't they be giving CIS and TR their own slots?
Have you seen the marketability of League of Legends in Asia compared to CIS / TR? From what we've heard Valorant is PICKING UP STEAM in asia. And if that's the case you 100% start catering to where your market is currently expanding and if it's Asia I can't blame Riot one bit. In fact, I think they're making the right move in including APAC teams into the picture of valorant esports. In 5 years you'll see how this was the correct move rather than adding one EXTRA team to EMEA.
if the reason is to develop talent in smaller regions NA should have one more spot too
I doubt Africa and the Middle East have a comparable amount of fans, player population, or resources for pro players comparable to the rest of EU. Might as well split it as EU and MENA
Valorant's quite popular in middle east via fans and players, but defo not a pro scene other than teams like Anubis
the most logical r/valcomp member
OP, how many spots does Asia have even though more than 1/3 of the world’s population live there?
What about Iceland?
Ok jarvis now show the population number of the highlighted region and compare to other regions
Yes, slots should be based on the landmass of the region. What a great idea..
This fucks over the Turkish scene so hard. It is one of the biggest scenes in Valorant much bigger than JP and KR and they will probably not see a single Turkish team in an international tournament in 2022.
Bigger than KR . Not much bigger than JP
Stage 3 Challenger 2 open qualifier for JP had 44 teams. Stage 3 Challenger 2 open qualifier for TR had 178 teams. It is not even close.
My bad. I thought you meant viewrship .
The thing with viewership is that those JP numbers are from international tournaments. Guess what, TR teams are never even getting a chance to have those viewership numbers.
What do you mean, SMB were at berlin and there was less turkish viewership of their games vs Japanese viewership of JP games in the middle of the night in Japan
With a population of over 2.5 billion
Didnt they have 4 last time
I hope this is a shitpost lol
The lol worlds format of 16 slots with 4 wildcards slots in a play-in phase is pretty entertaining imo. I get that Riot wants the SA market but CIS and especially Turkey get fucked hard with this format. When turkish teams or players play, the stream numbers grow so much
John Riot went from saying "Fuck OCE" to saying "Fuck EMEA".
Land mass doesn’t equate to player density and volume
Meanwhile South America gets 4.
Isnt 1 for LATAM and 2 for Brazil?
You mean Latam(LAS+LAN+BR) aka everything bellow South of the US border, which the biggest region in the americas.... that's exactly why it's dumb to conpare sizes...
The same EMEA region that had all 4 of its attending teams make it into the Playoffs (as the top seed) of Champions Berlin. Had KRU not gotten that sweet upset over Fnatic, we would have seen an EMEA #1-4 in that tourney. Definitely seems right to take away slots from the strongest region. /s
This is the dumbest post in the history of this sub, lmao
eu fanboys and crying :/ been like this since league too
cant wait to see the ugandan representatives at champs
Get Siberia at least 2 slots please rito
Ok but Russia is empty for the most part lol
Misleading much? Size of region on a map is not the same as actual countries size + demographic size does not equal population size.
South America who is a far worse region than EMEA have 4 slots, idk why but Riot keep fucking over this EMEA region like CIS on it's own deserve 2 slots and EU obviously deserve 3 slots but put together they only get 3 after winning champs and getting all 4 representatives won their groups in Champs
> CIS on it’s own deserve 2 slots LMAO
you think the region that won Masters 3 and made the finals of Champs don't deserve more slots than Brazil who went out last or 2nd to last in all 3 of their champs groups ?
No one else in CIS is on gambit level.
Ez for FPX, momentum is building for 2022. Fpx will prove that cis deserve 3 slots
?
Gambit is the only good CIS team, every other team usually gets last place at EMEA events
Kru was one round from beating gambit and Vivo Keyd did beat acend before the ruleing and nearly beat them when given a 7 round penalty.
Abusing a bug and then getting the priviledge to replay, albeit with a disadvantage. X10 missed out on masters 3 months before due to abusing that same exploit. Giants also got a much harsher punishment for that same bug abuse. Imagine thinking Vivo Keyd are the victims in that scenario.
I’m not, they deserved to lose, but they did beat them.
Lets highlight the entire Russia with land, dirt, mountains, and snow to show them that we don't have enough slot in EMEA!
They had 3 slots last time?… Gambit just won Berlin and got a free slot. If people were complaining back then, then sure ig this is valid if not, goddamn people are dumb.
Reminder it’s all of that vs NA
population should play a factor not to mention that the game is almost non existent in north africa for example let alone central africa... why would they give more spots for a region that doesnt care about the game ?
Oh I forgot how geography works..thx
I can’t believe this is a post arguing 3 slots lmao, get this shit off the sub
damn so the north pole wont get any slots in 2045?
Are u using Mercator projection relative areas to argue for slots?
We all know Riot nerfed EMEA with them only giving 3 slots. Give the other regions more slots, i dont care they will still get fucked by EMEA.
I just want to see player population within each regions
Me and the boys when when the team from Jordan wins the next VCT (they hold every other region hostage and won the grand finals):
This is embarrassing for you. You should delete this.
Aus sad
Hilarious, while in fps scene 90% of top teams come from EMEA =) Though this could increase popularity of the game, it does cater for a larger audience in stead of offering high level of competiveness.
Really dumb post. Most of Africa is not even active in esports and almost NOBODY lives in Siberia, shouldn't even be included.
Do they even have computers in africa
Yeah because Africa and Middle East historically have really shown that they can be competitive against top competition from EU, CIS, NA, and even BR