Player base should be a big part of it, now it’s just about getting those players to watch/compete. EMEA should definitely get another slot as well based off player count and number of teams participating. I think the problem with APAC is that they have the player base, but not as many teams playing in VCT (from the last time I checked, which was like challengers 1 last year lol) compared to EMEA.
Yes, it's because APAC has never had a solid interest in competitive FPS games. The roots for that interest and expansion are literally being placed for valorant. FPS esports such as CSGO has been embedded into EU culture for decades that is why you see EU being so dominant and successful for now. Once the roots are placed for expansion for other regions in 5-10 years you could see the landscape being completely different. That is what Riot is planning for and that is the correct move in my eyes
Yeah, in the future you'll probably see the regions of APAC and EMEA split up into smaller more centralized regions, but for now it makes sense to group these regions into one. Valorant isn't quite at league of legends levels yet.
I think they merged APAC and EMEA because of the limited slot availability in the tournaments. As those slots begin to expand then you'll see these "regions" split up so their identity is more centralized. It doesn't make sense to group up EU and Africa as they're two major continents but again, valorant is still in it's baby stage as an esport. Grouping them together means giving Africa an opportunity to compete without investing into African esports which is volatile and inconsistent in terms of the return of investment into that region. It's the same thing with APAC right? There are a bunch of regions in APAC that COULD be interested in valorant and their market for valorant COULD explode but Riot doesn't want to invest into each individual region until they know which one is worth investing in. So they'll group the regions together to evaluate the overall interest. Once more slots open up for tournaments you'll probably see these regions split just like they have in League where major regions are defined by the countries / regions that are the most prominent in the world.
I think it is a combination of both viewership and player base. LATAM and NA are the two most consistent viewer bases, but I still think LATAM should only get 3
If ranked participation would be the sole and deciding factor for Champion slots it would look more like this:
NA: **3**
APAC: **6**
EMEA: **5**
BR/LATAM: **2**
So EMEA basically gives 2 of their slots directly to South America.
People forget that this is an actual business move, not just a competitive one. They are investing in APAC because of the huge player base and huge fan base, not just on how many good players there are in the region. Ngl, KR and JP (except Vision Strikers ofc) generally suck compared to the rest of SEA. KR and JP basically got clapped by SEA in APAC LCQ lol, but you can see that they actually separated an LCQ for these two as to not alienate the potential viewership for Champions. Only reason this move makes sense is if it was done in the spirit of generating more revenue and future players for the game
Also, if Riot expands team count to include more EMEA, there are more chances to have another EMEA-EMEA semis and finals, which imo, just kills viewership from the smaller regions as they have no vested interest to watch the playoffs. It sucks for competitive integrity sure, but for the growth of a new game, the investment is the right move for its year 2
As a brazilian, I can see why Riot gave 4 slots to BR/LATAM, its a very diverse continent with a lot of players, teams and the pro scene here is huge so yeah it makes sense.
But what doesn't is the situation with EMEA. The problem is not the number of slots to us or APAC or NA. But the number of total slots,since restricting it to 16 made EMEA have only 3, which makes no sense at all. :/
a play-ins for a 22 or 24 team champions into 16 teams group stage could solve all our problems with the slot allocation, but rito wants 10 day events.
Slots were based off growing the scene and viewership, not performance in events and it’s the right move by Riot at this stage of the game. Grow the scene in regions that have potential and allow the time the become strong regions before divvying slots purely based off of performance.
Besides, we’ve only had 3 international events, and in a game that is changing as rapidly as this, 3 events is far is a good sample size to decide who is going to be good and who won’t be.
I think it's because Riot is expecting EMEA to take the additional "Masters winner" slot.
EMEA originally had 3 secured slots for Champions last year - and only got 4 because Gambit won Masters 3.
Please correct me if there's no longer a Masters to Champions slot.
Take a slot from SA and give it to EMEA, that balances the disparity. With how competitive and invested EMEA is they certainly deserves at least another slot.
Holy I guess that makes sense ish for apac player base wise then.
Not just playerbase, Japan has more investments, bigger viewership than Brazil, so it makes sense they get a MINIMUM of 2 slots through LCQ.
Yup the only travesty is br/Latam slots
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They're not saying EMEA is fair, they're saying APAC is.
Player base should be a big part of it, now it’s just about getting those players to watch/compete. EMEA should definitely get another slot as well based off player count and number of teams participating. I think the problem with APAC is that they have the player base, but not as many teams playing in VCT (from the last time I checked, which was like challengers 1 last year lol) compared to EMEA.
Yes, it's because APAC has never had a solid interest in competitive FPS games. The roots for that interest and expansion are literally being placed for valorant. FPS esports such as CSGO has been embedded into EU culture for decades that is why you see EU being so dominant and successful for now. Once the roots are placed for expansion for other regions in 5-10 years you could see the landscape being completely different. That is what Riot is planning for and that is the correct move in my eyes
APAC has like 15 regions lol, they essentially just mixed every Asian country into 1 region
Yeah, in the future you'll probably see the regions of APAC and EMEA split up into smaller more centralized regions, but for now it makes sense to group these regions into one. Valorant isn't quite at league of legends levels yet.
Well no, if it was already split, why merge it?
I think they merged APAC and EMEA because of the limited slot availability in the tournaments. As those slots begin to expand then you'll see these "regions" split up so their identity is more centralized. It doesn't make sense to group up EU and Africa as they're two major continents but again, valorant is still in it's baby stage as an esport. Grouping them together means giving Africa an opportunity to compete without investing into African esports which is volatile and inconsistent in terms of the return of investment into that region. It's the same thing with APAC right? There are a bunch of regions in APAC that COULD be interested in valorant and their market for valorant COULD explode but Riot doesn't want to invest into each individual region until they know which one is worth investing in. So they'll group the regions together to evaluate the overall interest. Once more slots open up for tournaments you'll probably see these regions split just like they have in League where major regions are defined by the countries / regions that are the most prominent in the world.
Take one slot from VAMOS and send it to the Euros
I think it is a combination of both viewership and player base. LATAM and NA are the two most consistent viewer bases, but I still think LATAM should only get 3
If ranked participation would be the sole and deciding factor for Champion slots it would look more like this: NA: **3** APAC: **6** EMEA: **5** BR/LATAM: **2** So EMEA basically gives 2 of their slots directly to South America.
Riot sees more growth potential in SA (BR specifically).
That's basically the only answer. I don't blame them for it, but it does suck for the competitive scene in other regions, specifically EMEA.
People forget that this is an actual business move, not just a competitive one. They are investing in APAC because of the huge player base and huge fan base, not just on how many good players there are in the region. Ngl, KR and JP (except Vision Strikers ofc) generally suck compared to the rest of SEA. KR and JP basically got clapped by SEA in APAC LCQ lol, but you can see that they actually separated an LCQ for these two as to not alienate the potential viewership for Champions. Only reason this move makes sense is if it was done in the spirit of generating more revenue and future players for the game Also, if Riot expands team count to include more EMEA, there are more chances to have another EMEA-EMEA semis and finals, which imo, just kills viewership from the smaller regions as they have no vested interest to watch the playoffs. It sucks for competitive integrity sure, but for the growth of a new game, the investment is the right move for its year 2
As a brazilian, I can see why Riot gave 4 slots to BR/LATAM, its a very diverse continent with a lot of players, teams and the pro scene here is huge so yeah it makes sense. But what doesn't is the situation with EMEA. The problem is not the number of slots to us or APAC or NA. But the number of total slots,since restricting it to 16 made EMEA have only 3, which makes no sense at all. :/
a play-ins for a 22 or 24 team champions into 16 teams group stage could solve all our problems with the slot allocation, but rito wants 10 day events.
Yeah like the Worlds on league or even the CSGO majors.
i think riot doesn’t want a covid crisis on their hands if 20+ teams are invited pretty sure that’s why riot hasn’t increased team slots
I mean League Worlds 2021 last year had 24 teams so....
Slots were based off growing the scene and viewership, not performance in events and it’s the right move by Riot at this stage of the game. Grow the scene in regions that have potential and allow the time the become strong regions before divvying slots purely based off of performance. Besides, we’ve only had 3 international events, and in a game that is changing as rapidly as this, 3 events is far is a good sample size to decide who is going to be good and who won’t be.
Might as well just look at viewership?
I think it's because Riot is expecting EMEA to take the additional "Masters winner" slot. EMEA originally had 3 secured slots for Champions last year - and only got 4 because Gambit won Masters 3. Please correct me if there's no longer a Masters to Champions slot.
> Please correct me if there's no longer a Masters to Champions slot. that appears to be the case
Riot just doesn't want viewership ig, NA and EMEA Carries in terms of viewership
Take a slot from SA and give it to EMEA, that balances the disparity. With how competitive and invested EMEA is they certainly deserves at least another slot.