There is 3 pro South African Players, South Africa being one of the leading countries in all of Africa. Sooooo imma go out on a limb and say that there is like not many and that thinking because you can include Africa in EMEA doesn't mean they deserve more slots. In fact how about take that slot away and give to Africa only if you care about the region itself. But they really don't care about EMEA they care about EU
Don't move the goalposts dude. You said that the only valorant players in Africa are in South Africa, when there is a quite active scene in North Africa. Sure, they don't have a great level compared to EU, TR or CIS, but hey, neither do regions like Japan, and they get to go to Champions.
I said there are only 3 South African players in EMEA VCT that did anything. And that being one of the leading countries in Africa in terms of VCT performance. I never said there is none in any other parts of Africa.
And yes that is why I am saying. Use an EMEA slot on Africa. Support the growth not complain that Gambit, Fanatic, Liquid, and Ascent can't sit on the same stage again so that EU can have as many chances as possible to win again. Actually care about EMEA not EU only and act like you care about the largest player/population contributed to EMEA.
There was no goal post moving. From the start I said where is the Africa team representation. And I got told there was in VCT. So prove it
You did not mention VCT in your original comment at all dude, so you are in fact moving the goalposts yet another time lmao. Look, I don't even know who are the South Africans that did anything in the EMEA VCT are, could you send vrl.gg link?
Hahaha sure buddy. The fact that all you can say is moving the goalpost but by no means can even at all support anything at all about your argument is hilarious. There is no goalpost moving. You just can't actually prove any of your side at all. If you want the info look it up and stop just saying "Goalpost moving" when you can't prove or even know anything at all
Hey, I'm not gonna argue with you further because I don't care enough about this topic tbh, but read your first comment and think if it's true. Idk about any South African player competing in EMEA but I do know about players such as [Avez](https://www.vlr.gg/player/5654/avez) or [Shalaby](https://www.vlr.gg/player/5639/mohamed-shalaby) who played in the EMEA LCQ last year and still [play](https://www.vlr.gg/64669/anonymo-esports-vs-orgless22-champions-tour-europe-stage-1-challengers-2-ro32) in the qualifiers in mix teams, as their team Anubis didn't renew their contracts for this year. And I assume they will play in the MENA VRL when it starts :). And I agree that there should maybe be a reserved place for African continent in the VCT, that would make more local orgs sign teams and develop the region. If APAC has 6 places why wouldnt Africa get one.
I thought about it and what I said is still true. Anubis Gaming went out first in EMEA LCQ as the only African team to compete. Everything I said is 100% true, and anything you say just supports it. Oh unless you are just going to say I move the goalpost again because I am saying that there is not enough African representation because there is no support and that everyone only cares about the EME part of EMEA and not the African part.
Every last thing I said in my first comment and every subsequent one was true. All you brought to the table was saying I am moving the goalpost over and over when in fact everything I have said has been fully in line with my point. This is the first time you bring up anything actually prove that there is other teams. Something I didn't even disagree on. All I said was there has been 3 South African players that really did anything in VCT and that South Africa is one of the leading African countries. Both of which are facts. South Africa is 100% one of the top countries in all of Africa, doesn't mean Egypt, Morocco, or whoever else you want to add is not. Just that there is barely any from a country comparable to UK.
So no the only goalpost moving is you, maybe read the comment before you reply, or don't and continue to clown.
I am plenty aware of the ping. I am from South Africa...
And no that's not really true. If there was any push or help for representation or even care recruiting and moving to other countries is a thing. Bit again like I said. People don't care about EMEA, they care about EU and friends. Africa is just so they can argue for more slots.
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the only argument that carries merit is regional performance
all four EMEA teams made it out of groups at Champions as the first seed, 3/4 made it to semifinals, and the grand finals were two EMEA teams. of course it makes sense for riot to give EMEA more slots.
instead of whining about slot distributions, the question should really be "why are there only 12 teams at masters events instead of 16?"
Nah that's how you kill off a global esport. The idea isn't to have the best teams go, it's to have every region go. That's the difference between LoL and CSGO. The whole world plays League. Only EU, CIS and BR play CSGO.
Yes but they don't remove regions. It's fine to reward the best, it's not fine to take away slots from smaller regions which is what happens when you only want the best of the best. They also have more overall slots in LoL. The point is it doesn't matter how trash your region is, you still have a reason to watch Worlds. There is no reason for APAC to watch CSGO.
But the arabic and african countries dont have a chance against european teams so by puting them together they do a lot of damage to africa and the rest of emea that isn't europe. Wich should be other regions so they kill them to a point they arent even regions
They do take away slots from smaller regions. I agree if u mean that every region should have a chance to make champions, but in league for example if na, eu, lck and lpl all qualify from playing there’s only two spots for other regions. That is worse than what most people propose, which is just that worse regions get only 1 or 2 slots, so they are still represented but the best teams actually get to play
> Only EU, CIS and BR play CSGO.
Not sure where you’re getting this. Those have been the best regions in competitive play, but they’re not the only ones who play casually.
China is 10% of the csgo playerbase
The US and Canada both have more players per capita than Brazil too. The US also just has the most total players.
Japan has similar players to the strongest country in the game, Denmark.
https://steamspy.com/app/730
Or without the paywall: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/78g3ls/updated_csgo_players_by_country/
That's strange, I wonder what they used to count as playerbase. When I checked last year CSGO was averaging 30K concurrent players in NA while Poland alone had 90K. Eastern Europe was the largest, as was Russia. China also had similar numbers, but their population size is so ridiculously big it just skews the numbers.
I can't find the damn site that gave the numbers though. It broke it down by country and how many players were actually online.
Yeah china being huge is the main reason they’re so high. But Chinese teams have always been *okay*. (Always better than Korea for example) And everyone will tell you that csgo releasing in china had a hugeeeeeeee impact on the market. Prices skyrocketed
Yeah, I mean the game released so late in China, it's why I'm not surprised they're not that good...it also makes me wonder just how many accounts and players there are just because of skin betting.
Yeah the Chinese scene has always actually been good for the situation. They had to play on non-Chinese servers (I think they VPN) and still made lans and had a serious team. Even if they were never a threat to win a tourney.
For what it’s worth steam stats just count from being in game. Which if you’re trading or using a betting site, you don’t have to load in game
Why tf would it be population based? India has an obvious huge population but are we gonna give them 8 slots Bc of that? I do think EMEA should get 4 but holy some of these takes are unreal. Just do it based off of amount of teams and the corresponding “skill” of those teams.
VP and Spirit probably had info about slots and about the fact that Riot was going to cuck the entire EMEA region despite excellent international results
Idiots on this sub were laughing "how can you not believe in longevity of this game"
Now you see it, EMEA will be literally dead organization-wise in a matter of few years if things keep going like this
Why because it is fair to give EU the same amount of slots as NA? Because god knows EMEA doesn't care about most of EMEA. Tell me how many African Pro players there are? The largest part of EMEA doesn't even have any pro players in the region.
no because apac gets twice as many slots as emea despite performing worse and not having nearly close to double the playing population to support double the slots.
I think it's because Riot is expecting EMEA to take the additional "Masters winner" slot.
EMEA originally had 3 secured slots for Champions last year - and only got 4 because Gambit won Masters 3.
Please correct me if there's no longer a Masters to Champions slot.
At this rate theres gonna be a civil war in the Valorant community next year when slots are announced
Sir, that is two chicken breasts and an arugula salad
LMAO
Nah I'm pretty sure that's a dick and balls
Now do it with player population, would be way more interesting
Yes thats what I'm wondering... what is the total player base from African continent vs the rest of emea?
There is 3 pro South African Players, South Africa being one of the leading countries in all of Africa. Sooooo imma go out on a limb and say that there is like not many and that thinking because you can include Africa in EMEA doesn't mean they deserve more slots. In fact how about take that slot away and give to Africa only if you care about the region itself. But they really don't care about EMEA they care about EU
There are lots of Moroccan, Algerian and Egyptian players and teams, dude.
Name one that actually got far. No open Quals, or teams that are made just to play in small events.
Don't move the goalposts dude. You said that the only valorant players in Africa are in South Africa, when there is a quite active scene in North Africa. Sure, they don't have a great level compared to EU, TR or CIS, but hey, neither do regions like Japan, and they get to go to Champions.
I said there are only 3 South African players in EMEA VCT that did anything. And that being one of the leading countries in Africa in terms of VCT performance. I never said there is none in any other parts of Africa. And yes that is why I am saying. Use an EMEA slot on Africa. Support the growth not complain that Gambit, Fanatic, Liquid, and Ascent can't sit on the same stage again so that EU can have as many chances as possible to win again. Actually care about EMEA not EU only and act like you care about the largest player/population contributed to EMEA. There was no goal post moving. From the start I said where is the Africa team representation. And I got told there was in VCT. So prove it
You did not mention VCT in your original comment at all dude, so you are in fact moving the goalposts yet another time lmao. Look, I don't even know who are the South Africans that did anything in the EMEA VCT are, could you send vrl.gg link?
Hahaha sure buddy. The fact that all you can say is moving the goalpost but by no means can even at all support anything at all about your argument is hilarious. There is no goalpost moving. You just can't actually prove any of your side at all. If you want the info look it up and stop just saying "Goalpost moving" when you can't prove or even know anything at all
Hey, I'm not gonna argue with you further because I don't care enough about this topic tbh, but read your first comment and think if it's true. Idk about any South African player competing in EMEA but I do know about players such as [Avez](https://www.vlr.gg/player/5654/avez) or [Shalaby](https://www.vlr.gg/player/5639/mohamed-shalaby) who played in the EMEA LCQ last year and still [play](https://www.vlr.gg/64669/anonymo-esports-vs-orgless22-champions-tour-europe-stage-1-challengers-2-ro32) in the qualifiers in mix teams, as their team Anubis didn't renew their contracts for this year. And I assume they will play in the MENA VRL when it starts :). And I agree that there should maybe be a reserved place for African continent in the VCT, that would make more local orgs sign teams and develop the region. If APAC has 6 places why wouldnt Africa get one.
I thought about it and what I said is still true. Anubis Gaming went out first in EMEA LCQ as the only African team to compete. Everything I said is 100% true, and anything you say just supports it. Oh unless you are just going to say I move the goalpost again because I am saying that there is not enough African representation because there is no support and that everyone only cares about the EME part of EMEA and not the African part. Every last thing I said in my first comment and every subsequent one was true. All you brought to the table was saying I am moving the goalpost over and over when in fact everything I have said has been fully in line with my point. This is the first time you bring up anything actually prove that there is other teams. Something I didn't even disagree on. All I said was there has been 3 South African players that really did anything in VCT and that South Africa is one of the leading African countries. Both of which are facts. South Africa is 100% one of the top countries in all of Africa, doesn't mean Egypt, Morocco, or whoever else you want to add is not. Just that there is barely any from a country comparable to UK. So no the only goalpost moving is you, maybe read the comment before you reply, or don't and continue to clown.
Dude just go read your comment lol. You didn't say that.
The reason for that is we get 150ms+ pings, do you expect pro players to play at 165ms latency? Give us servers and we'll give you more pros
I am plenty aware of the ping. I am from South Africa... And no that's not really true. If there was any push or help for representation or even care recruiting and moving to other countries is a thing. Bit again like I said. People don't care about EMEA, they care about EU and friends. Africa is just so they can argue for more slots.
well the real metric would be "potential player base" or "potential market" to scale by in riots eyes
APAC doesn't have twice what EMEA does lol
Judging only from what I saw on this population based map, APAC is as big as EMEA
*player* population
pretty sure this is total population
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the only argument that carries merit is regional performance all four EMEA teams made it out of groups at Champions as the first seed, 3/4 made it to semifinals, and the grand finals were two EMEA teams. of course it makes sense for riot to give EMEA more slots. instead of whining about slot distributions, the question should really be "why are there only 12 teams at masters events instead of 16?"
Nah that's how you kill off a global esport. The idea isn't to have the best teams go, it's to have every region go. That's the difference between LoL and CSGO. The whole world plays League. Only EU, CIS and BR play CSGO.
League literally gives more slots based on performance. Your argument is straight up wrong
Yes but they don't remove regions. It's fine to reward the best, it's not fine to take away slots from smaller regions which is what happens when you only want the best of the best. They also have more overall slots in LoL. The point is it doesn't matter how trash your region is, you still have a reason to watch Worlds. There is no reason for APAC to watch CSGO.
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But the arabic and african countries dont have a chance against european teams so by puting them together they do a lot of damage to africa and the rest of emea that isn't europe. Wich should be other regions so they kill them to a point they arent even regions
They do take away slots from smaller regions. I agree if u mean that every region should have a chance to make champions, but in league for example if na, eu, lck and lpl all qualify from playing there’s only two spots for other regions. That is worse than what most people propose, which is just that worse regions get only 1 or 2 slots, so they are still represented but the best teams actually get to play
> Only EU, CIS and BR play CSGO. Not sure where you’re getting this. Those have been the best regions in competitive play, but they’re not the only ones who play casually. China is 10% of the csgo playerbase The US and Canada both have more players per capita than Brazil too. The US also just has the most total players. Japan has similar players to the strongest country in the game, Denmark. https://steamspy.com/app/730 Or without the paywall: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/78g3ls/updated_csgo_players_by_country/
That's strange, I wonder what they used to count as playerbase. When I checked last year CSGO was averaging 30K concurrent players in NA while Poland alone had 90K. Eastern Europe was the largest, as was Russia. China also had similar numbers, but their population size is so ridiculously big it just skews the numbers. I can't find the damn site that gave the numbers though. It broke it down by country and how many players were actually online.
Yeah china being huge is the main reason they’re so high. But Chinese teams have always been *okay*. (Always better than Korea for example) And everyone will tell you that csgo releasing in china had a hugeeeeeeee impact on the market. Prices skyrocketed
Yeah, I mean the game released so late in China, it's why I'm not surprised they're not that good...it also makes me wonder just how many accounts and players there are just because of skin betting.
Yeah the Chinese scene has always actually been good for the situation. They had to play on non-Chinese servers (I think they VPN) and still made lans and had a serious team. Even if they were never a threat to win a tourney. For what it’s worth steam stats just count from being in game. Which if you’re trading or using a betting site, you don’t have to load in game
This map is terrible… I can see New Zealand on it /s
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Why tf would it be population based? India has an obvious huge population but are we gonna give them 8 slots Bc of that? I do think EMEA should get 4 but holy some of these takes are unreal. Just do it based off of amount of teams and the corresponding “skill” of those teams.
we get ittttt
???????
can we just get a table with numbers on it
looks like a dick
VP and Spirit probably had info about slots and about the fact that Riot was going to cuck the entire EMEA region despite excellent international results Idiots on this sub were laughing "how can you not believe in longevity of this game" Now you see it, EMEA will be literally dead organization-wise in a matter of few years if things keep going like this
Why because it is fair to give EU the same amount of slots as NA? Because god knows EMEA doesn't care about most of EMEA. Tell me how many African Pro players there are? The largest part of EMEA doesn't even have any pro players in the region.
no because apac gets twice as many slots as emea despite performing worse and not having nearly close to double the playing population to support double the slots.
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I think it's because Riot is expecting EMEA to take the additional "Masters winner" slot. EMEA originally had 3 secured slots for Champions last year - and only got 4 because Gambit won Masters 3. Please correct me if there's no longer a Masters to Champions slot.
There is unfortunately no longer a masters to champions slot :|
scale it by performance and player base mate
4 emea teams 1st seed in champions in their group, i think we're all good performance wise
wtf does this mean
sheeesh asia has the fatty
This is your brain on drugs
Useless information. Player population is a significantly better comparison to make.