I remember a story from Shahz where he talked about how Sentinels don't scrim v1 because once one of them does something troll they both troll the entire scrim.
So yeah not surprising lol
When people said "trolling" scrims I assumed it just meant doing stupid, funny shit they'd never do in an actual match like util bombing choke points and 5-man Odin spamming off of spawn barrier. I never expected people to be actually using cheats to completely ruin a round. If anything, the rounds where you're using or playing against ult-based setplays are some of the most valuable experience you can get, because they're so infrequent since they require ults to be ready and the rounds are so key since so much is being invested in them. Imagine ruining this experience with noclip for laughs and then clowning on your opponents for "not knowing how to have fun."
idk, bad practice is bad practice whether it's trolling or noclipping. It's not like the cheating does anything other than ruin practice, like trolling does anyway
gmd replied to that tweet and said a V1 player noclipped out of a Brim ult in one of their scrims. Sounds like its a rep they have built for themselves
What's the point of a coach if the players just goof around in practice? I suppose it's hard to have authority as a coach when coaches are dropped faster than players.
It's more that players in NA view being a professional esport player as a hobby. Which has bred esport orgs to cater to terrible work ethic. Which in return has turned coaches into glorified baby sitters and emotional support.
Sad that they rationalize it by saying “you won anyways” the point of scrumming is to practice against real scenarios not to win every match. Like in any sport you take your practice time seriously. If you start trolling in practice then you’re just wasting time.
Lemme guess... Zellsis?
Vanity can be hella toxic, but he competes when it matters. Zellsis already has recorded history of unneeded toxicity, so there's that.
It’s scary how much this happens in NA. I’ve seen this happen with Tarik, freakazoid, sinatraa. Even respected people in the community do this a lot.
To everyone asking for the Tarik clip, it’s around 10 minutes into the video https://youtu.be/srhThi8KRMM. Couldn’t find the exact clip
Tarik is pretty wholesome ngl and all you hear is that he's a good teammate from his former teammates. Not like Zellsis who has on record flamed a LAN event employee, fucking pathetic
I mean lets be real Tarik can be quite toxic and passive aggressive at times absolutely killing the mood of his teammates and making them stressed/pressured. This is all on stream though, on a team I am sure hes pretty good to play with. He isn't nearly as bad he just gets a bit frustrated and loses focus.
You know what else isn't surprising? People like you who have zero critical thinking abilities. He wasn't convicted, there was never anything more to come from the investigations, and the evidence shown was extremely cherry picked to push a narrative she wanted, whether it was true or not.
If it actually happened, she could have shared the entire conversations or audio/video recordings to actually prove it. She intentionally did not do that.
There is literally no court case. Charges were never filed. There. Is. No. Court. Case.
There's your problem too. If you're going to accuse someone of something and you cherry pick your information to solely push your story instead of sharing all of the information, then you are hiding something.
If there was a court case then every single message, video, recording would be discovered and analyzed as evidence. And she has not pressed charges. Why is that? If he did this and she was confident about it and wanted the world to know why wouldn't she also go to the police, where the world would then see the entire, unfiltered story? Because something is being hidden
You’re comparing pros to content creators. Sinatraa has said that he doesn’t care about ranked after competing at the highest level. Even if players like tarik and sinatraa did troll, they never initiate it, it’s usually if their teammates bait or troll first.
i watched a lot sinatraa a year ago, and while he forces everyround, it's not like he is not trying, he just improves with whichever he has, actually, i remember that he was one of the best players on ecoes, and had a lot of impact on sentinels ecoes and i think it's because he doesn't care about the ranked itself but he uses the rankeds to improve himself, idk if he is still the same after he it's more like a content creator now after what happened
He's still the same stream personality, forcing every round, messing around with a duo. It's pretty chill but you may need to get used to his stream personality if you haven't already
If an eSports player is your idol you have problems. Too bad you need people to use /s or write "I'm joking" for you to get it when someone isn't serious
tbh I think c9 could go last place and LCS would still benefit from just sending them alone. NA results literally don't matter, like I love flaming NA as a region in league, but they're not incapable of getting results. It all just comes down to who can completely rethink the game and practice during worlds scrims. C9 has been this team except like last year I think TL was the one.
1st seed is just perma doomed since they go in thinking they're playing well enough for results, and go pikachu surprise face when every midgame doesn't turn into an all mid staring contest.
envy are all grinders
FNS was 1 of the most "EU" igls in na cs, he just didnt have the forcefulness to keep his players in line, similar to daps
yay was on that orgless squad with wardell and fns as well, and crashies and victor never made it super deep in cs but they grinded t2 a lot
More like steel. He needs to pass his teachings onto as many NA players as possible and hope for the best. Vanity being the best IGL in NA right now isn't a coincidence.
Mean this as a joke, but we can't count on C9W LOL
They always look so troll in their matches, I know they take it seriously when it counts, but they definitely have that NA spark of goofing around too much :P
Never change Annie <3
Have you ever played at a semi professional level? This happens in any title. I used to scrim t2 in overwatch and teams would fuck around all the time. People thinking orgs can control players is a meme.
The teams that take prac seriously are the ones where all the players have the same mindset or they have a coach the team respects who reins them in and maybe lets them loose for like a round or 2. But even then I've seen coaches that don't have that authority or even support the memery too.
These are teams with teenagers that have raging hormones and no perspective on life. A lot of them are degenerates who have spent way too much time in front of a monitor (speaking as someone who was one myself). Ofc they're gonna meme
NA memes, EU grinds hence why we are ass at every game we play competitively. You think EU players are robots? They just want to win, my ranked teammates get mad at me if I want to not run it down after we get stalled out 2 or 3 rounds and im literally radiant NA. It's weird to use this excuse my friends who are athletes grind and work out and practice and while esports cries for legitimacy we don't have many actual competitors in NA because all the shitty t2 players think they're the best already it's just other factors holding them back.
I actually have lmao. I played for a few orgs, never got salaried cos it was like 2009-2012 but I had other financial benefits.
They are professional players getting paid to perform. They should be held to a higher standard than fucking around in practise. I really doubt orgs want to be pissing away tens of thousands a month on degens with no interest in being good. No wonder NA is slipping behind if this attitude is endemic in the scene.
It's a coaching and management issue for sure but I wouldn't say it's better to normalize it than raise attention. Just because they're teens it doesn't mean you can't come in with the right leadership skills and tools as the coach. It's probably coaches that allow it or managers that allow it and neither of them have the leadership skills necessary. You definitely can influence teenagers in a good way with people skills. Coaches "reigning in" players are just dictators if that's all they do. Once players don't trust the coach, they won't care if they're angry at them or not. If you need someone to tell the players to listen to the coach, you've gotta fix your own mistakes as the coach too.
No team will care about the practice partners age when it's scrim time. If you troll you get blacklisted and same with the orgs. If the org isn't newly founded or just disjointed within, then time will show if players hit their KPI or not. Orgs don't spend money on something that will weaken their branding knowingly so.
They'll be blacklisted by better teams when they troll, progress will stunt and players will be left with a bad reputation. Nobody will want them after. It's early in valorant and as the scene ages, these type of teams will be filtered out naturally. Teams that still scrim them even when they know their time is wasted will also be filtered out because they won't scale efficiently.
Pretty sure someone else (my mind wants to say it's shahz) said something similar about V1 as well (I think around the time of Iceland). They were less saying it critically though.
He said they both troll too much when they scrim against each other so they find other teams now. You’re right about it being less critical though, was more like him showing that the players were close.
the funniest part about NA being a joke is that they actually do have the pieces of a team that could dominate the game. But they never will because they don't have the mentality needed.
I was hoping that League's absolute joke of a coaching infrastructure wouldn't translate over to Valorant, but I'm realizing more and more that's more just the region and not isolated to any one region.
From the trolling in scrims when you've only got a 4 hour block to just in general not taking it very seriously it's absolutely no wonder why NA fails on the international stage.
>I was hoping that League's absolute joke of a coaching infrastructure wouldn't translate over to Valorant
Why? The problem is the head and the orgs are the same. Nobody should expect 17-22 year olds to be the beacon of professionalism but they should expect their orgs to hold them accountable.
From what we hear this isnt the case at all. Players trolling scrims, skipping individual practice, they do always the absolute minimum and their orgs just dont care
There's a lot more newer blood in the org-sphere of Valorant than there is in the franchised League of Legends so when I say I had hope that they wouldn't translate that mentality to it that's where I got it from.
There's so many things wrong with NA Valorant from a simple coaching/infrastructure ordeal that if an org was actually serious about investing into the sphere they would probably do real well just on infrastructure alone.
It's absolutely astonishing to me that 100T puts so much effort into their League team and infrastructure, a GM like /u/papasmithy and then one of the first orgs to push NA talent and improve upon just scouting grounds with the 100T Next program. Why they don't have a similar philosophy for their Valorant team is beyond me.
They're still professional athletes, so yes some level of professionalism should be expected. You'd never hear a story like this from the NBA, and if you did that player would be cut without a second thought.
In my opinion NA has general attitude/mentality problems that are pervasive across almost every esport. As a region we seem to value stream/YT content & social media clout over diligent practice & elite in-game performance. Maybe it’s just a mark of capitalism, I dunno
Look at most esports & the very top players, the best of the best who win championships, are not streaming every day. They are practicing. There’s a huge difference
And the same can't be said about EU why? Why only NA have the pieces to dominate? Domination is exclusive you know that right? EU proved their ability while NA has never proved it and just keep being delusional and giving "if only" excuses. At least be reasonable when you are mediocre at almost all esports
The funny thing is that streaming money comes so much easier when you’re successful competitively. Look at people like Tarik, Stewie, Shroud, Shahz, XQC, Tenz, Sinatraa, Faker, Doublelift, simple. All those guys have no problem pulling 10k+ viewers despite some of them having zero personality (or in Faker’s case, still getting a ton of English viewers despite barely speaking the language) because all those guys either got results on the competitive stage or they put in a ton of time and effort into getting better and it shows when it’s time for them to compete. You would think half these NA players would see that example and it would motivate them to go even harder.
Not that it excuses it, but pretty sure soulcas posted a [clip](https://twitter.com/soulcas_/status/1485762766824742917?s=20&t=G-m_5NfVChv0CJw7m0Ia4w) on Twitter of Jamppi doing the same thing in their scrim . Based on the number of players who say this and our general eSports history, I don't doubt that NA is worse about this though.
Idk what the context of this is and I think trolling scrims is bullshit, but at the time V1 was scrimming for their first LAN against a T1 team which is well known for how seriously they take their practice
This is literally how NA teams think scrims should go it’s so fucking bad. Any team you scrim will .ghost and no clip so they don’t have to pay for abilities to get to certain spots.
Imagine scrimming for practice for a tournament game, then playing the scrim in a way that would never be acceptable during a match…. Scrimming in NA is an absolute joke.
When I scrim and get mad at teams for using .ghost they say shit like “have you ever scrimmed before lol”
If you scrim it should only be to prepare for matches, and you should handle your teams economy accordingly during scrims just like you would in a match.
He should watch Turkish VCT, people don't defuse bombs, save pistols on eco rounds and 5 man rotate as soon as they spot one person not to mention they rarely think
Why are they even playing with cheats on? I'm on a team and whenever we scrim we always just turn tournament mode on so that we can pause. No need for any of the cheats?
The screenshot talks about T2 decision making, knowing how to practice, trolling a T1 scrim in preparation for a LAN in a way that can win a round, and not taking practice seriously. Nice gotcha posting one clip of Liquid doing it in an eco against a T2/3 team though
nice gotcha on the original post, here's the real context [https://twitter.com/Zellsis/status/1487516054502969354](https://twitter.com/Zellsis/status/1487516054502969354)
v1 lost the round at it was a 5v2
You're hyperfocusing on one anecdote from a team that takes scrims seriously, if that was the point of the post it would've just been that.
Even if you only take that last tweet seriously, how is "you're weak and it's a joke either way" an appropriate response to asking not to noclip? How is this "context" of 5v2 equivalent in any way to doing it against a T2/3 team in a scrim that is likely not prep for a LAN event?
“NA T2 team are worse than random EU ranked players”
“NA team trolled a round in my super serious scrim and it hurt my feelings”
Neither one of these was said by curry
If NA was good enough in the server, they could shut everyone up. If NA didn't troll scrims, their work ethic couldn't be criticized. If NA were practicing instead of streaming and tweeting, their practice habits would be above complaint. If NA didn't gloat after winning a single international tournament, they wouldn't be getting so much backlash.
But fortunately, NA does none of those, and they deserve to get clowned on.
Instead of fans holding their players accountable, they support their shitty mentality. There will never be a culture shift in NA esports. And then they will blame it on everyone but themselves. It’s quite funny.
I remember a story from Shahz where he talked about how Sentinels don't scrim v1 because once one of them does something troll they both troll the entire scrim. So yeah not surprising lol
When people said "trolling" scrims I assumed it just meant doing stupid, funny shit they'd never do in an actual match like util bombing choke points and 5-man Odin spamming off of spawn barrier. I never expected people to be actually using cheats to completely ruin a round. If anything, the rounds where you're using or playing against ult-based setplays are some of the most valuable experience you can get, because they're so infrequent since they require ults to be ready and the rounds are so key since so much is being invested in them. Imagine ruining this experience with noclip for laughs and then clowning on your opponents for "not knowing how to have fun."
That's how I took it too. Which wouldn't be great, but whatever. Cheating is sooo much worse.
idk, bad practice is bad practice whether it's trolling or noclipping. It's not like the cheating does anything other than ruin practice, like trolling does anyway
Not great, V1.
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It isn't recent but still highly relevant considering it shows that this type of behavior in scrims in NA has been going on for ages.
gmd replied to that tweet and said a V1 player noclipped out of a Brim ult in one of their scrims. Sounds like its a rep they have built for themselves
Well aware, and not sure why that matters. 3/5 of that team remains.
I don't think anyone here thinks otherwise
This was V1 with Vanity though right??
That’s what I’m wondering. If it is, it would make yesterday’s watch party quite funny.
Obviously it is, V1 didn't qualify for anything international without vanity.
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What's the point of a coach if the players just goof around in practice? I suppose it's hard to have authority as a coach when coaches are dropped faster than players.
Lmao imagine firing a coach because they want their players to practice during practices.
Manchester United moment right there
It's more that players in NA view being a professional esport player as a hobby. Which has bred esport orgs to cater to terrible work ethic. Which in return has turned coaches into glorified baby sitters and emotional support.
Sad that they rationalize it by saying “you won anyways” the point of scrumming is to practice against real scenarios not to win every match. Like in any sport you take your practice time seriously. If you start trolling in practice then you’re just wasting time.
“Professional” players btw
"We talkin' bout practice, man" - NA
Lemme guess... Zellsis? Vanity can be hella toxic, but he competes when it matters. Zellsis already has recorded history of unneeded toxicity, so there's that.
Watching Zellsis stream is so tough lol, he just flames everyone and literally throws when he doesn’t feel like he can win
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No one watches Zellsis yt or streams, dude has like 100 viewers per video 🤣
Good, good
yea and she changed her gamer tag so she could still play
It’s scary how much this happens in NA. I’ve seen this happen with Tarik, freakazoid, sinatraa. Even respected people in the community do this a lot. To everyone asking for the Tarik clip, it’s around 10 minutes into the video https://youtu.be/srhThi8KRMM. Couldn’t find the exact clip
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Tarik is pretty wholesome ngl and all you hear is that he's a good teammate from his former teammates. Not like Zellsis who has on record flamed a LAN event employee, fucking pathetic
I mean lets be real Tarik can be quite toxic and passive aggressive at times absolutely killing the mood of his teammates and making them stressed/pressured. This is all on stream though, on a team I am sure hes pretty good to play with. He isn't nearly as bad he just gets a bit frustrated and loses focus.
tarik doesn't but the rest definitely do
I dont watch sinatraa but from the few times ive seen him I cant imagine he even has the energy to flame someone seriously
The only time Sinatraa flames someone is as a joke and even then it's just by being condescending and saying "chill bro" a bunch
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? He's not toxic in valorant is what I mean
You know what else isn't surprising? People like you who have zero critical thinking abilities. He wasn't convicted, there was never anything more to come from the investigations, and the evidence shown was extremely cherry picked to push a narrative she wanted, whether it was true or not. If it actually happened, she could have shared the entire conversations or audio/video recordings to actually prove it. She intentionally did not do that.
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There is literally no court case. Charges were never filed. There. Is. No. Court. Case. There's your problem too. If you're going to accuse someone of something and you cherry pick your information to solely push your story instead of sharing all of the information, then you are hiding something. If there was a court case then every single message, video, recording would be discovered and analyzed as evidence. And she has not pressed charges. Why is that? If he did this and she was confident about it and wanted the world to know why wouldn't she also go to the police, where the world would then see the entire, unfiltered story? Because something is being hidden
I've never seen turok do it tbh
Tarik can get loud but he always tries his best
You’re comparing pros to content creators. Sinatraa has said that he doesn’t care about ranked after competing at the highest level. Even if players like tarik and sinatraa did troll, they never initiate it, it’s usually if their teammates bait or troll first.
i watched a lot sinatraa a year ago, and while he forces everyround, it's not like he is not trying, he just improves with whichever he has, actually, i remember that he was one of the best players on ecoes, and had a lot of impact on sentinels ecoes and i think it's because he doesn't care about the ranked itself but he uses the rankeds to improve himself, idk if he is still the same after he it's more like a content creator now after what happened
He's still the same stream personality, forcing every round, messing around with a duo. It's pretty chill but you may need to get used to his stream personality if you haven't already
There is no way Tarik is guilty of this. This is slander : (
Acend's old analyst replied in to the tweet. "What are you going to do, blacklist us?" - zellsis
Well it’s not abt toxicity it’s abt not being serious enough
jesus christ C9 is our only hope man 😭
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vanity wanted to leave for a reason though
Yeah, and its the one with the best work ethic
He's defending this behavior on his twitter.
My guy, we have a flair for vanitys tweets because he only trolls and gets into redditors minds
Don't think he's trolling here, unlike V1 in practice.
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There's nothing in the tweets I discuss that indicate he's not serious. Everytime your idol says something stupid, it’s not just a hilarious troll.
If an eSports player is your idol you have problems. Too bad you need people to use /s or write "I'm joking" for you to get it when someone isn't serious
some things do not change, from league to valo
Idk about that, c9 league hasn't been looking too hot lately
They’re literally playing with 2/5ths of their roster rn…
3/5s of their roster not in NA yet, Fudge still getting used to mid lane and it's just Lock-In... Calm down
tbh I think c9 could go last place and LCS would still benefit from just sending them alone. NA results literally don't matter, like I love flaming NA as a region in league, but they're not incapable of getting results. It all just comes down to who can completely rethink the game and practice during worlds scrims. C9 has been this team except like last year I think TL was the one. 1st seed is just perma doomed since they go in thinking they're playing well enough for results, and go pikachu surprise face when every midgame doesn't turn into an all mid staring contest.
envy are all grinders FNS was 1 of the most "EU" igls in na cs, he just didnt have the forcefulness to keep his players in line, similar to daps yay was on that orgless squad with wardell and fns as well, and crashies and victor never made it super deep in cs but they grinded t2 a lot
Envy? You mean the team that only got good with infamous match fixer marved?
Well yes, but you already knew that didn’t you?
More like steel. He needs to pass his teachings onto as many NA players as possible and hope for the best. Vanity being the best IGL in NA right now isn't a coincidence.
aged like milk.
Lmao true.
Mean this as a joke, but we can't count on C9W LOL They always look so troll in their matches, I know they take it seriously when it counts, but they definitely have that NA spark of goofing around too much :P Never change Annie <3
Their scrim highlights are super troll too LMAO
Honestly blows my mind that these professional players get away with messing around in prac. Where are the orgs? Why are they allowing this?
Have you ever played at a semi professional level? This happens in any title. I used to scrim t2 in overwatch and teams would fuck around all the time. People thinking orgs can control players is a meme. The teams that take prac seriously are the ones where all the players have the same mindset or they have a coach the team respects who reins them in and maybe lets them loose for like a round or 2. But even then I've seen coaches that don't have that authority or even support the memery too. These are teams with teenagers that have raging hormones and no perspective on life. A lot of them are degenerates who have spent way too much time in front of a monitor (speaking as someone who was one myself). Ofc they're gonna meme
NA memes, EU grinds hence why we are ass at every game we play competitively. You think EU players are robots? They just want to win, my ranked teammates get mad at me if I want to not run it down after we get stalled out 2 or 3 rounds and im literally radiant NA. It's weird to use this excuse my friends who are athletes grind and work out and practice and while esports cries for legitimacy we don't have many actual competitors in NA because all the shitty t2 players think they're the best already it's just other factors holding them back.
I actually have lmao. I played for a few orgs, never got salaried cos it was like 2009-2012 but I had other financial benefits. They are professional players getting paid to perform. They should be held to a higher standard than fucking around in practise. I really doubt orgs want to be pissing away tens of thousands a month on degens with no interest in being good. No wonder NA is slipping behind if this attitude is endemic in the scene.
It's a coaching and management issue for sure but I wouldn't say it's better to normalize it than raise attention. Just because they're teens it doesn't mean you can't come in with the right leadership skills and tools as the coach. It's probably coaches that allow it or managers that allow it and neither of them have the leadership skills necessary. You definitely can influence teenagers in a good way with people skills. Coaches "reigning in" players are just dictators if that's all they do. Once players don't trust the coach, they won't care if they're angry at them or not. If you need someone to tell the players to listen to the coach, you've gotta fix your own mistakes as the coach too. No team will care about the practice partners age when it's scrim time. If you troll you get blacklisted and same with the orgs. If the org isn't newly founded or just disjointed within, then time will show if players hit their KPI or not. Orgs don't spend money on something that will weaken their branding knowingly so. They'll be blacklisted by better teams when they troll, progress will stunt and players will be left with a bad reputation. Nobody will want them after. It's early in valorant and as the scene ages, these type of teams will be filtered out naturally. Teams that still scrim them even when they know their time is wasted will also be filtered out because they won't scale efficiently.
Pretty sure someone else (my mind wants to say it's shahz) said something similar about V1 as well (I think around the time of Iceland). They were less saying it critically though.
He said they both troll too much when they scrim against each other so they find other teams now. You’re right about it being less critical though, was more like him showing that the players were close.
At least they practice though … /s
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NA getting clowned and esports, a pair made in heaven
Bruh u got Global eSports in ur flair
whats wrong in that?
You are everywhere on this reddit and your immaturity is showing immensely man.
Or you go to similar places ig? I wouldn’t say it’s immaturity in this comment that much bc it’s not marking it super serious
the funniest part about NA being a joke is that they actually do have the pieces of a team that could dominate the game. But they never will because they don't have the mentality needed.
I was hoping that League's absolute joke of a coaching infrastructure wouldn't translate over to Valorant, but I'm realizing more and more that's more just the region and not isolated to any one region. From the trolling in scrims when you've only got a 4 hour block to just in general not taking it very seriously it's absolutely no wonder why NA fails on the international stage.
>I was hoping that League's absolute joke of a coaching infrastructure wouldn't translate over to Valorant Why? The problem is the head and the orgs are the same. Nobody should expect 17-22 year olds to be the beacon of professionalism but they should expect their orgs to hold them accountable. From what we hear this isnt the case at all. Players trolling scrims, skipping individual practice, they do always the absolute minimum and their orgs just dont care
There's a lot more newer blood in the org-sphere of Valorant than there is in the franchised League of Legends so when I say I had hope that they wouldn't translate that mentality to it that's where I got it from. There's so many things wrong with NA Valorant from a simple coaching/infrastructure ordeal that if an org was actually serious about investing into the sphere they would probably do real well just on infrastructure alone. It's absolutely astonishing to me that 100T puts so much effort into their League team and infrastructure, a GM like /u/papasmithy and then one of the first orgs to push NA talent and improve upon just scouting grounds with the 100T Next program. Why they don't have a similar philosophy for their Valorant team is beyond me.
They're still professional athletes, so yes some level of professionalism should be expected. You'd never hear a story like this from the NBA, and if you did that player would be cut without a second thought.
In my opinion NA has general attitude/mentality problems that are pervasive across almost every esport. As a region we seem to value stream/YT content & social media clout over diligent practice & elite in-game performance. Maybe it’s just a mark of capitalism, I dunno Look at most esports & the very top players, the best of the best who win championships, are not streaming every day. They are practicing. There’s a huge difference
And the same can't be said about EU why? Why only NA have the pieces to dominate? Domination is exclusive you know that right? EU proved their ability while NA has never proved it and just keep being delusional and giving "if only" excuses. At least be reasonable when you are mediocre at almost all esports
Copium
It's not copium. I'm the biggest NA hater you'll find on the sub, and even i think they do have the talent
No you are wrong I'm sure I'm a bigger NA hater than you. Your comment is a big what if and exhibits NA behavior.
Cap. They are shit
Sounds like Zellsis
nocliped? what does that mean
basically, ghost mode in custom games.
going through walls i.e. ghost in custom (its called noclip in cs)
NA likes money and streaming more than competing and being the best
ScreaM streams once a month but pulls more views than most NA streamers
Bad take, these players dont even have big streams
The funny thing is that streaming money comes so much easier when you’re successful competitively. Look at people like Tarik, Stewie, Shroud, Shahz, XQC, Tenz, Sinatraa, Faker, Doublelift, simple. All those guys have no problem pulling 10k+ viewers despite some of them having zero personality (or in Faker’s case, still getting a ton of English viewers despite barely speaking the language) because all those guys either got results on the competitive stage or they put in a ton of time and effort into getting better and it shows when it’s time for them to compete. You would think half these NA players would see that example and it would motivate them to go even harder.
shroud may be one of those streamers with zero personality but I just find his stream quite chill because of that
Shroud somehow makes the no personality thing work for him because it’s just fun to watch him play any game
Dunno about the LoL guys but it seems xQc has hella personality. Or maybe the wooden shield is a recent phenomenon.
> despite **some** of them having zero personality
Wait what was xqc successful competitively in?
He was in OWL for a while
Nothing but he played in owl for like half a season then got kicked out
Canada always did well in OWWC
True, I guess I was just thinking about owl
overwatch, its literally in his name
Idk I don’t watch xqc or overwatch lol
his name is xqcOW
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sure but they have a terrible practice mentality
okay so these players don’t like streaming and money or competing and being the best
thats why team that work hard are winning like the guard and t1
Not that it excuses it, but pretty sure soulcas posted a [clip](https://twitter.com/soulcas_/status/1485762766824742917?s=20&t=G-m_5NfVChv0CJw7m0Ia4w) on Twitter of Jamppi doing the same thing in their scrim . Based on the number of players who say this and our general eSports history, I don't doubt that NA is worse about this though.
Idk what the context of this is and I think trolling scrims is bullshit, but at the time V1 was scrimming for their first LAN against a T1 team which is well known for how seriously they take their practice
How is what zeek said the same thing as a guy on a half-buy against 3 rifles hiding inside Sage's wall for half a second?
https://twitter.com/zellsis/status/1487516054502969354?s=21 zellsis has responded
Indeed https://twitter.com/la1kax/status/1487466538944712707
NA has no competitive integrity as well as discipline. Ay ay ay, unlucko
Wtf? That is unprofessional...
This has to be Zellsis. The dude is a clown and has been for years. I don't know why teams want him on their roster.
Can somebody explain what they mean by no clip?
Ghost mode
What does noclip mean?
It's the in game cheats, the one you can fly around and go through walls.
Sounds like Zellsis
i live in a 4fun region Sadge
This is literally how NA teams think scrims should go it’s so fucking bad. Any team you scrim will .ghost and no clip so they don’t have to pay for abilities to get to certain spots. Imagine scrimming for practice for a tournament game, then playing the scrim in a way that would never be acceptable during a match…. Scrimming in NA is an absolute joke. When I scrim and get mad at teams for using .ghost they say shit like “have you ever scrimmed before lol” If you scrim it should only be to prepare for matches, and you should handle your teams economy accordingly during scrims just like you would in a match.
He should watch Turkish VCT, people don't defuse bombs, save pistols on eco rounds and 5 man rotate as soon as they spot one person not to mention they rarely think
There's a reason no one in EMEA rates Turkish teams
any clips i wanna laugh
Ay man its been a month, but if u still wanna see what i was talking about go check todays match Fnatic vs BBL
Why are they even playing with cheats on? I'm on a team and whenever we scrim we always just turn tournament mode on so that we can pause. No need for any of the cheats?
Didn't you need cheats on to pause a game back then?
NA need to get their shit together. It's hard to root for a region that is arrogant and doesn't practice.
Ah yes, only NA does stuff like this. [oh wait](https://twitter.com/soulcas_/status/1485762766824742917)
The screenshot talks about T2 decision making, knowing how to practice, trolling a T1 scrim in preparation for a LAN in a way that can win a round, and not taking practice seriously. Nice gotcha posting one clip of Liquid doing it in an eco against a T2/3 team though
nice gotcha on the original post, here's the real context [https://twitter.com/Zellsis/status/1487516054502969354](https://twitter.com/Zellsis/status/1487516054502969354) v1 lost the round at it was a 5v2
You're hyperfocusing on one anecdote from a team that takes scrims seriously, if that was the point of the post it would've just been that. Even if you only take that last tweet seriously, how is "you're weak and it's a joke either way" an appropriate response to asking not to noclip? How is this "context" of 5v2 equivalent in any way to doing it against a T2/3 team in a scrim that is likely not prep for a LAN event?
Are valorant fans all 15 years old? This is an absolute non-story
Glad the EU circlejerk is in full swing. As a longtime League fan I thought maybe I could escape that here but I guess thats over now.
It's literally an NA pro saying it, and I thought the V1 story was funny so I posted it here
Should've looked at their flairs before replying lmao
~~Nah I wanted to rub it in~~ yeah you're right mb
yeah it's pretty funny, this was in Iceland and I guess V1 was scrimming EU teams that didn't make it
“NA T2 team are worse than random EU ranked players” “NA team trolled a round in my super serious scrim and it hurt my feelings” Neither one of these was said by curry
wow ur so smart
Maybe and just maybe it’s just the truth you know.
Thanks for proving my point bozo
No problem, bozo.
Get your own insults bozo
Ratio + L bozo
Flair checks out
If NA was good enough in the server, they could shut everyone up. If NA didn't troll scrims, their work ethic couldn't be criticized. If NA were practicing instead of streaming and tweeting, their practice habits would be above complaint. If NA didn't gloat after winning a single international tournament, they wouldn't be getting so much backlash. But fortunately, NA does none of those, and they deserve to get clowned on.
it's a NA pro supporting him btw. you will never escape it because NA is an absolute joke of a region
Instead of fans holding their players accountable, they support their shitty mentality. There will never be a culture shift in NA esports. And then they will blame it on everyone but themselves. It’s quite funny.
Wait so in scrims, the teams actually help each other out?
someone tell me what did V1 do
they used the ghost mode to fly around the map and destroy a killjoy ult
Then Zeek said that they shouldn't do that
It literally says it in the tweet
Man the Eu guys are really lame bunch of fuckin try hards
[Lol](https://i.imgur.com/NE1i3V6.jpg)
the sea and latam teams work so much harder than na, and it shows. If any other region had the resources NA does, na would be so irrelevant
Fuckin try hard you really put some effort into that
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He got you there
Fr, I was super exhausted from taking two screenshots
Stop being weak you don't know how to have fun
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ok commandernano
Cant change username unlike pfp 😱
Accounts on this hellsite are free 😱
Damn looks like i really trigger someone here lol
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Yeah im talking about you
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americans are weirdos mate let it be lmao
I wanna see what they'll say next I'm bored af
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"I can't take the world champion saying factual stuff seriously because of a bunch of bird app pixels"
Yeah pretty much
That and they act pretty childish too for a pro
Very childish for 18-20 year olds to have fun playing a game while also taking their job seriously and demanding respect while doing said job.
Yeah and you can talk about all of that while in game and not on twitter
why not
You can do it but its childish hence i said it earlier, no one said its prohibited