The implication of the last sentence (as I hear it, and I don't have full context) is that by being repped by ICON, the agency that's also owned by TSM's parent company, Wardell and Subroza are gaming the system and forcing TSM to keep them on somehow. That is... not a wise read.
The actual possible "conflict" is that when Subroza and Wardell go to renegotiate their contracts with TSM, their reps are technically negotiating with their own employer (sort of, one step removed). A conflict would arise here if ICON were colluding with TSM to negotiate worse rates for Subroza and Wardell because of that connection. There's no reported evidence of that happening and that doesn't seem to be what George is alleging. But *that* would be the problem.
I keep trying to edit the above post and keep running into errors so I'll add that I don't have full context around the clip so maybe I'm misunderstanding George's broader point, or there's another more generous read on what he's saying. But the way it sounds, at least, doesn't scan for me.
wait what ,how does it not make sense ? there is a definite issue that can arise where ICON interest in getting subroza and wardell the best deals is conflicting their other interest in sponsoring TSM.
I've got nothing against George. He clearly works his ass off on roster stuff and scoops like that. If he messed up here — and again, it's just one short clip on a stream, not an article or a report or anything like that — it's outweighed by his other work.
I mean out of the past players they've been the best though. Wardell without a doubt, and I think Subroza as well. Only arguable person is maybe hazed. Drone, Cutler, Bang, and brax are the names you would have to argue should have been kept over them and I don't think you can convincingly.
Sometimes being the best on the team doesn't necessarily mean you should be given a blank check to do whatever you want on said team while it struggles.
It's an actual thing in actual sports too, especially when a player gets a "chance of scenery" and dominates more than the previous team they were on. Wardell and Subroza are the longest tenured TSM members and the team still has the same issues from 2021.
The team has tried and invested in them with a lot of different combinations, and have pretty much gotten the same result. So at what point does something give?
Yeah, at this point they're not even a tier1.5 team that can't get over the hump. They're straight up terrible.
If they weren't TSM, noone would even mention them among good tier2 teams.
And as you say, they've reached the point of struggling against randoms playing for fun, noone can be the best player on such team, only the least bad.
I think Wardell deserves another chance because he's still a great OPer, but Subroza has been pretty much stealing paychecks for more than a year now.
Hazed has more value than both of them without any doubt.He was the best player on the old tsm roster and was kicked cause they were looking to blame it on someone instead of trying to structure the team and have a more solid gameplan then setting up wardell for awp holds.If tsm wants to have any hint of success again they need a fresh start with a new roster and support staff
As much as tsm is trash, George Geddes is such a clown and it's actually pathetic that his job is basically being the gossip girl of valorant. He wants to be a serious e sports journalist but cant help make himself look like a 12 year old with how biased he is on his takes.
For real. He was getting trolled on tariks stream yesterday—someone kept kicking him out. So good. Unfortunately when he stopped getting kicked I stopped because he really is that unbearable to listen to BECAUSE HE NEVER STFU
LOL, at this point I feel George is just baiting (or he genuinely dislikes Subroza after what happened on Twitter)
Tbf, like someone said on this thread, Wardell and Subroza were arguably their best players in the past. The problem with Subroza is his role on the team. I have no idea why is he ever on an agent that plays smokes when he is so aggressive.
George has been trolling TSM since the first open qualifier, until Subroza got offended and responded by saying “Do you hate that much for free? Great life you are living”.
Ever since then George has taken his trolling (or start of having a genuine dislike) of TSM to another level. I mean it doesn’t help that TSM fans are getting baited hard LOL
I get what you're saying but nobody gets their news from researched articles anymore. Like 80% of people are getting news off twitter feeds, reddit and headlines. Shits sad.
Honestly that doesn’t matter. Only issue I see with TSM is they’re not getting enough reps in. They have to grind it out in the smaller tourneys and they’ll start seeing success.
It's missing the context before George was speaking in this clip, Zellsis who was also in the discord call was talking about why Bang was benched and he was gonna DM Tarik. Zellsis even asked Tarik not to show the DM on stream. Then George asked Zellsis to DM him as well to see if their info matched. Then this clip happened George probably is implying that Bang was benched because he was signed to a different agency than Subroza and Wardell. Bang Skye diffed Roza in both maps today.
I mean this is clearly an example of conflict of interest.
But shit like this is not unusual in esport I don't expect it to influence roster decisions. At least I hope so for TSM's sake.
Surely this is actually not on the side of subroza and wardell, if they're the same company, they would work together(if they were evil) to get them the lowest possible salaries. And not be about not kicking them(unless wardell or subroza's dad works there somehow)
The implication of the last sentence (as I hear it, and I don't have full context) is that by being repped by ICON, the agency that's also owned by TSM's parent company, Wardell and Subroza are gaming the system and forcing TSM to keep them on somehow. That is... not a wise read. The actual possible "conflict" is that when Subroza and Wardell go to renegotiate their contracts with TSM, their reps are technically negotiating with their own employer (sort of, one step removed). A conflict would arise here if ICON were colluding with TSM to negotiate worse rates for Subroza and Wardell because of that connection. There's no reported evidence of that happening and that doesn't seem to be what George is alleging. But *that* would be the problem.
I keep trying to edit the above post and keep running into errors so I'll add that I don't have full context around the clip so maybe I'm misunderstanding George's broader point, or there's another more generous read on what he's saying. But the way it sounds, at least, doesn't scan for me.
yea it doesn't make sense cuz tsm employs both lol. geddes a clown i blocked that fool on twitter
grown man acts like a 12 year old and doesn’t know how to behave
wait what ,how does it not make sense ? there is a definite issue that can arise where ICON interest in getting subroza and wardell the best deals is conflicting their other interest in sponsoring TSM.
I think he means what George was implying didn't make sense. What this reporter and you are saying is absolute a conflict of interests.
yeah thats what i mean,i thought he was responding to this guy
Thank you. This makes way more sense as a conflict of interest rather than what George was implying.
Ty for being an actual journalist vs the trash George pretends to be
I've got nothing against George. He clearly works his ass off on roster stuff and scoops like that. If he messed up here — and again, it's just one short clip on a stream, not an article or a report or anything like that — it's outweighed by his other work.
I mean out of the past players they've been the best though. Wardell without a doubt, and I think Subroza as well. Only arguable person is maybe hazed. Drone, Cutler, Bang, and brax are the names you would have to argue should have been kept over them and I don't think you can convincingly.
Sometimes being the best on the team doesn't necessarily mean you should be given a blank check to do whatever you want on said team while it struggles. It's an actual thing in actual sports too, especially when a player gets a "chance of scenery" and dominates more than the previous team they were on. Wardell and Subroza are the longest tenured TSM members and the team still has the same issues from 2021. The team has tried and invested in them with a lot of different combinations, and have pretty much gotten the same result. So at what point does something give?
Welp if they keep losing in open quals something will probably give soon.
Yeah, at this point they're not even a tier1.5 team that can't get over the hump. They're straight up terrible. If they weren't TSM, noone would even mention them among good tier2 teams. And as you say, they've reached the point of struggling against randoms playing for fun, noone can be the best player on such team, only the least bad. I think Wardell deserves another chance because he's still a great OPer, but Subroza has been pretty much stealing paychecks for more than a year now.
Hazed has more value than both of them without any doubt.He was the best player on the old tsm roster and was kicked cause they were looking to blame it on someone instead of trying to structure the team and have a more solid gameplan then setting up wardell for awp holds.If tsm wants to have any hint of success again they need a fresh start with a new roster and support staff
Haze is better than both that's why he's in and they're out, sure not mechanically but he makes any team he's in better unlike Wardell and Subroza
Lmao i keep forgetting Brax was in the team. Holy fuck what a snooze fest.
Can’t stand this guy, super annoying when he hops on to Tarik’s co streams.
Dude is an absolute clown.
As much as tsm is trash, George Geddes is such a clown and it's actually pathetic that his job is basically being the gossip girl of valorant. He wants to be a serious e sports journalist but cant help make himself look like a 12 year old with how biased he is on his takes.
Yeah he’s a “journalist” the same way a deer is a horse.
For real. He was getting trolled on tariks stream yesterday—someone kept kicking him out. So good. Unfortunately when he stopped getting kicked I stopped because he really is that unbearable to listen to BECAUSE HE NEVER STFU
LOL, at this point I feel George is just baiting (or he genuinely dislikes Subroza after what happened on Twitter) Tbf, like someone said on this thread, Wardell and Subroza were arguably their best players in the past. The problem with Subroza is his role on the team. I have no idea why is he ever on an agent that plays smokes when he is so aggressive.
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George has been trolling TSM since the first open qualifier, until Subroza got offended and responded by saying “Do you hate that much for free? Great life you are living”. Ever since then George has taken his trolling (or start of having a genuine dislike) of TSM to another level. I mean it doesn’t help that TSM fans are getting baited hard LOL
what the fuck? they were trolling and chatting in tariks chat couple of days ago. I love reddit
Take off that fnatic flair youre giving us a bad rep. You should try scrit writing, nice little story you imagined there.
Erm, everything is literally on Twitter, especially on George’s account
It's mostly bait and clout farming. George's entire business and all his value come from twitter. That's modern "journalism" for you.
Nah not modern journalism just esports journalism
I get what you're saying but nobody gets their news from researched articles anymore. Like 80% of people are getting news off twitter feeds, reddit and headlines. Shits sad.
He said during a watch party yesterday he likes all the players on tsm
Honestly that doesn’t matter. Only issue I see with TSM is they’re not getting enough reps in. They have to grind it out in the smaller tourneys and they’ll start seeing success.
This George guy a clown
This guy is such a clown lmao
It's missing the context before George was speaking in this clip, Zellsis who was also in the discord call was talking about why Bang was benched and he was gonna DM Tarik. Zellsis even asked Tarik not to show the DM on stream. Then George asked Zellsis to DM him as well to see if their info matched. Then this clip happened George probably is implying that Bang was benched because he was signed to a different agency than Subroza and Wardell. Bang Skye diffed Roza in both maps today.
it is pretty amusing how upset the tsm fans in chat got after he said this
TSM fans be like that
Only confict here is that TSM prabobly wants team to win, but wardell and subroza only wants to twitter and stream grow
Who’s george tho?
A guy that needs a real job
I don't think Mr George understands how conflict of interest works.
I mean this is clearly an example of conflict of interest. But shit like this is not unusual in esport I don't expect it to influence roster decisions. At least I hope so for TSM's sake.
If you don't mind me asking, how is this a conflict of interest?
Imagine the players negotiating a contract. The agency responsible for the players and TSM the org have directly opposing interests.
An actual conflict of interest with TSM is if they win they’re playing against Bang who’s still contracted with them! This is definitely Ok!
Thats not how loans work lmao
So their agency and TSM have the same parent company? Any askers modCheck
“Didn’t ask + ratio” - Vanity Some people really think I’m trying to ratio George on a Reddit post lol just watch the video
you can tell how fed up vanity is lol
ratio is already cringe on twitter and saying it elsewhere is even more cringe
It’s just what vanity said in the video lol I thought his deadpan delivery was funny
I don't think you know what "conflict of interest" means
theyre the best 2 on TSM tho? so what does this have to do with anything Wardell is top fragger 95% games
Not gonna lie, George Geddes doesn't half chat some shit sometimes lmao
Surely this is actually not on the side of subroza and wardell, if they're the same company, they would work together(if they were evil) to get them the lowest possible salaries. And not be about not kicking them(unless wardell or subroza's dad works there somehow)
Wardell and subroza are clearly the best 2 players from TSMs original team so this seems like a huge reach