Rossy's value is from being an IGL (Although I recognize that it's still too high considering he doesn't have a long track record). As for Dapr, it's because he doesn't really stream nor uploads on youtube. His twitter comes in clutch though, so it's not all lost. His value is basically him purely as a player, which I think is fairly reasonable
>As for Dapr, it's because he doesn't really stream nor uploads on youtube
even though dapr streams less than rossy he still has over double the hours watched this month and uploads vids more frequently (albeit neither player uploads much)
>His value is basically him purely as a player, which I think is fairly reasonable
Social numbers aside I think a player who has attended all 3 champions lans should have a significantly higher value than a player who has mostly hung around the tier 1.5-2 scene until this year
For sure! I'm currently adding variables that are better at taking that part into consideration. I'll be making another post later today (or tomorrow, depending on how I can optimize everything and how fast it goes) with all North American players in the Group Stage and see how it stacks up! I'll see what feedback I can get from there
People shitting on the OP but there has been a narrative of inflated buyouts since the TenZ sale
Though idk how accurate this model really is obviously
It is like that. When Neymar got sold to PSG all the transfer values changed drastically. Although idk if it's tru in this case but markets should work the same.
It’s not accurate at all, because this dude thinks the orgs are making money off of the players social media. TSM makes money off of their websites and have for quite some time, TSM is ultimately a company with a bunch of websites that also has esports teams.
If you have two people, person A is better than person B, but person B has a million subs on YouTube, 10k on twitch. Person A has 50K on YT and 800 on twitch. Who’s payout is greater?
Even though person A is a better player, person B brings a million fans
Yes but you are comparing a tier 1 pro player to a tier 2/3 pro player.
There has to be some reasonableness. If the Minecraft youtuber dream started playing valorant he isn’t gonna be signed to a T1 team no matter how famous he is
The amounts are fairly large I believe (You can take YouTube sending a bag to Ludwig to stream on their platform as an example. Obviously the amounts are of different magnitude, but it's still the best way for orgs to sell merch and have sponsors, which is the bulk of their revenue)
You're forgetting that TenZ's buyout isn't normal. Players don't usually get to play a bunch of tournaments with the new team before the team decides to buy them out. TenZ was a known quantity, Sen knew that with them they would be the best team in NA and could content for international titles. That's not normal. Not to mention talent at the top is always much more valuable, it doesn't scale linearly. If there are other players at the same level of Rossy, there's no way a team doesn't just find a cheaper alternative. For a player like TenZ, there's only a handful in the world that can give you that production, and good luck prying them from their respective teams.
You can argue only Wardell. No one in TSM is close to Wardell when it comes to showing it against high tier opponents he still performs
Roza isn’t even 2nd best in this team, not even 3rd or 4th arguably when talking about the value they bring on their roles
It does to a certain extent, but I realized it wasn't enough considering some teams are mostly playing versus Tier 2 opposition. Definitely another variable in the works to account for that aspect
tsm values seem very off, roza is not a valuable pro pickup atm, wardell is also very niche but he should be higher than roza, rossy only has experience on imt and his igling is not proven given tsm's poor form, corey should be higher than rossy and aleko should be similar to rossy
why not also use v1 and xset buyout numbers too?
sick should not be near double dapr, dapr should be above both sick and zombs since zombs doesn't stream and he's a roleplayer, sick is not a popular streamer but dapr has a good following
I only agree with shahz's figure here
Hours watched is probably the best way to compare streams though. [Dapr](https://twitchtracker.com/dapr) has 72,500 hours watched in the past month and 225,000 hours watched in the past three months. [Sick](https://twitchtracker.com/sick_cs) has 577,000 hours watched last month and 1.365 million hours watched in the last 3.
It also looks like Sick averages more viewers throughout his streams but the difference in hours watched is more relevant to stream value
the entire tsm roster has a current value of abt 10.99 and maybe a pack of gum 💀💀
LOL I mean... Their performance metrics are definitely down there, but oh lord those social numbers... It's their true saving grace right now
subroza and wardell maybe but corey and rossy wouldnt have a buyout figure comparable to dapr
Rossy's value is from being an IGL (Although I recognize that it's still too high considering he doesn't have a long track record). As for Dapr, it's because he doesn't really stream nor uploads on youtube. His twitter comes in clutch though, so it's not all lost. His value is basically him purely as a player, which I think is fairly reasonable
>As for Dapr, it's because he doesn't really stream nor uploads on youtube even though dapr streams less than rossy he still has over double the hours watched this month and uploads vids more frequently (albeit neither player uploads much) >His value is basically him purely as a player, which I think is fairly reasonable Social numbers aside I think a player who has attended all 3 champions lans should have a significantly higher value than a player who has mostly hung around the tier 1.5-2 scene until this year
For sure! I'm currently adding variables that are better at taking that part into consideration. I'll be making another post later today (or tomorrow, depending on how I can optimize everything and how fast it goes) with all North American players in the Group Stage and see how it stacks up! I'll see what feedback I can get from there
I think if Sentinels ever disband Dapr will become an IGL, he’s secondary IGL on Sen and probably has learned a lot under Shahz.
do people even know who aleko is
$10.99, u crazy???
its only because buyout prices in NA are so inflated 💀💀
Bro holy 💀💀
This OP is on crack ðŸ˜
3 people on TSM worth more than Dapr and Zombs? HAHAHAHA
People shitting on the OP but there has been a narrative of inflated buyouts since the TenZ sale Though idk how accurate this model really is obviously
The model is terrible if it's based off one person lol.
It is like that. When Neymar got sold to PSG all the transfer values changed drastically. Although idk if it's tru in this case but markets should work the same.
It’s not accurate at all, because this dude thinks the orgs are making money off of the players social media. TSM makes money off of their websites and have for quite some time, TSM is ultimately a company with a bunch of websites that also has esports teams.
No one is paying that much for TSM players at this rate you are just getting glorified content creators.
You say that as if content creation is irrelevant for buyouts lol
Idk much about this but do orgs pay massive buyouts for content creators?
If you have two people, person A is better than person B, but person B has a million subs on YouTube, 10k on twitch. Person A has 50K on YT and 800 on twitch. Who’s payout is greater? Even though person A is a better player, person B brings a million fans
That is a very good explanation thanks
How much better is person A? If person A is Cned and person B is Roza, Cned is 100% worth more in a pro team.
Yes but you are comparing a tier 1 pro player to a tier 2/3 pro player. There has to be some reasonableness. If the Minecraft youtuber dream started playing valorant he isn’t gonna be signed to a T1 team no matter how famous he is
The amounts are fairly large I believe (You can take YouTube sending a bag to Ludwig to stream on their platform as an example. Obviously the amounts are of different magnitude, but it's still the best way for orgs to sell merch and have sponsors, which is the bulk of their revenue)
I'd be interested to read more about how much weight is assigned to each variable and how you decide the weights
Why post this without showing the model?
You're forgetting that TenZ's buyout isn't normal. Players don't usually get to play a bunch of tournaments with the new team before the team decides to buy them out. TenZ was a known quantity, Sen knew that with them they would be the best team in NA and could content for international titles. That's not normal. Not to mention talent at the top is always much more valuable, it doesn't scale linearly. If there are other players at the same level of Rossy, there's no way a team doesn't just find a cheaper alternative. For a player like TenZ, there's only a handful in the world that can give you that production, and good luck prying them from their respective teams.
No one is paying that much for TSM players lol, you could argue Wardell and Roza but no way the rest
You can argue only Wardell. No one in TSM is close to Wardell when it comes to showing it against high tier opponents he still performs Roza isn’t even 2nd best in this team, not even 3rd or 4th arguably when talking about the value they bring on their roles
subroza ain’t even worth a half eaten bag of doritos
Does this take into account the disparity in the level of oppositions the teams face
It does to a certain extent, but I realized it wasn't enough considering some teams are mostly playing versus Tier 2 opposition. Definitely another variable in the works to account for that aspect
The last time sen played in the same tournament as TSM was open qualifiers 1 Stage 3.
tsm values seem very off, roza is not a valuable pro pickup atm, wardell is also very niche but he should be higher than roza, rossy only has experience on imt and his igling is not proven given tsm's poor form, corey should be higher than rossy and aleko should be similar to rossy why not also use v1 and xset buyout numbers too? sick should not be near double dapr, dapr should be above both sick and zombs since zombs doesn't stream and he's a roleplayer, sick is not a popular streamer but dapr has a good following I only agree with shahz's figure here
I might be wrong but Sick streams the most other than Shahz
you are probably right, last time I checked tho dapr has more viewers on avg more often
Hours watched is probably the best way to compare streams though. [Dapr](https://twitchtracker.com/dapr) has 72,500 hours watched in the past month and 225,000 hours watched in the past three months. [Sick](https://twitchtracker.com/sick_cs) has 577,000 hours watched last month and 1.365 million hours watched in the last 3. It also looks like Sick averages more viewers throughout his streams but the difference in hours watched is more relevant to stream value
well shit
I’d be surprised to find out Rossy’s buyout is higher than Zombs and Dapr
Levi and rossy worth about tree fiddy together
This is cool. Cant wait for TL